December 1st, 2011
01:09 PM ET

Freedom University: studying in secret

By Thelma Gutierrez and Traci Tamura, CNN

Editor’s Update: In the hours since we first reported this story, there have been significant developments. The University Council at the University of Georgia voted to pass a resolution which opposes the Board of Regents policy passed last fall. The policy forbids undocumented students from attending five of its top public universities. It’s a symbolic win for supporters of academically qualified undocumented students who are banned from attending UGA, Georgia Tech, Georgia State University and Georgia Health Sciences University and Georgia College and State University, schools that the Board of Regents say had admitted undocumented students in the last two years. Regents spokesman John Millsaps told CNN while the regents have no plan to revisit the issue, they are not preventing undocumented students from getting an education. Millsaps says there are 30 other public institutions in the University System of Georgia that they can attend. He said the regents passed the policy amid growing public concern that undocumented students were taking limited seats away from qualified citizens and legal immigrants. He emphasized the regents have no plans to change the policy.

Every Sunday, in an unmarked building, in an undisclosed location in the college town of Athens, Georgia, a group of students quietly gather in secret. They are aspiring professors, diplomats and engineers who have been banned from Georgia's top five public universities.

But here, in this donated space, it is safe to study.

Undocumented students attending class at Freedom University

Undocumented students attending class at Freedom University

This place is called Freedom University. It has one classroom and four professors, scholars who've taught at the likes of Amherst, Harvard, Emory and Yale, who are teaching here, on their days off, without pay.

Their students are undocumented. They have nowhere else to go and no one else to teach them.

The American Dream

Keish grew up in South Korea. She remembers the harsh education regimen in her home town of Seoul. Classes Monday through Saturday. After-class academic programs every day. Keish and her fellow students in Seoul were basically at school from 8 in the morning until 8 at night every day except Sunday.

It sounds like a much more ambitious education system than in the United States. So how is it that Keish's parents, who lived an upper-middle-class life in Seoul, her father earning enough money as a salesman to enable her mother to stay at home – how is it that such a couple would move to America with one thing in mind: their children's education?

"My parents wanted me to have the freedom to learn what I wanted to learn and to pursue my interests. To do whatever I want in any field. In South Korea, students are expected to go through their academics, graduate from college, and enter office life where it's safe," says Keish. "My parents wanted me to have more opportunity, they wanted me to have the American Dream," she says.

And so, when she was 10, with no English except the words "mom, dad, and maybe tiger," Keish and her family moved to America. A low-income apartment complex is where they settled down in an immigrant community outside Atlanta.

Freedom University student Keish and her parents in South Korea.

Freedom University student Keish and her parents in South Korea.

Her mother became a seamstress. Her father works at a flea market. They got tax I.D. numbers, which the government routinely gives to immigrants, and paid their taxes. CNN was shown the documentation for that.

They pushed their daughter to excel at school. Keish says it only took her about two years to become fluent in English. As for her undocumented status, she says her schools never found out. She lived with the secret.

Keish excelled in many aspects of school. She was not a straight-A student. B-plus was her average, she says. Her favorite subject was literature. She became captain of her high school debate team.

And she kept her secret. She was nominated to participate in the Governor's Honors Program, but without a Social Security number, fear prevented her from pursuing it.

She was chosen to participate in a model United Nations trip to New York. Again, fear of being caught kept her from flying. "Many, many missed opportunities," she says. "I was scared.

The ban

Keish graduated from high school two years ago. The timing was bad. The U.S. economy was already in a terrible state. Then the State of Georgia Board of Regents would soon alter its admissions policy to prevent the admission of any undocumented student as long as there is a single academically qualified American applicant or legal immigrant who has been turned away.

The policy, in effect, prevents the admission of any undocumented students from being admitted to the top five public colleges in the state. A spokesman for the Board of Regents told CNN the policy change was not about money. Undocumented students actually pay three times more than what Georgia residents pay. The regents said it's an equity issue. Some argue that in these tough times, every available spot should be reserved for people who are in the United States legally.

The news was a blow to Keish. Her eyes welled up with tears as she remembered the moment she realized her American Dream was fading away.

"I fell into a deep depression. I hated myself," she says, "because I looked back on grades and scores and thought every night and every day that I could have tried harder. Maybe I should have gotten a 4.0 and then I could have gotten into a prestigious Ivy League school. I was ashamed I didn't try harder. I shut myself away from the world for a long time."

But she did not quit.

The birth of a school

The moment the Regents passed the ban, a small army of students, scholars and community activists jumped into action. Lorgia Garcia-Pena, Professor of Spanish and Latino Ethnic Studies at the University of Georgia, was among the first.

She says they started with only an idea, "but no money, no building or supplies, we had nothing but our human resources and we had ganas." (Ganas means desire in Spanish). As word spread, "overnight the books poured in and people in the community said you can have your classes here," says Professor Pamela Voekel, a colleague of Garcia-Pena's.

Professor Pamela Voekel hands out text books to Freedom University students

Professor Pamela Voekel hands out text books to Freedom University students

Then they came up with the name, Freedom University, in honor of the Freedom Schools in the Deep South that were developed during the civil rights movement to educate people who were excluded from the education system because of segregation.

"We borrowed the reference with respect and as homage to the people who had the same courage as our students," says Bethany Moreton, a history professor.

Linda Lloyd, director of the Economic Justice Coalition in Athens, supports the new school. Her perspective is shaped by her memories growing up in the segregated South where she was one of six black students in an otherwise all-white elementary school. The black students often didn't have textbooks. She says she remembers the sting of discrimination – and feeling that quality education was only for a certain few.

While others say this restriction on illegal immigrants is a matter of equity and fairness for U.S. citizens, Lloyd sees it as "a civil rights issue because it reminds me of the same issues that African-Americans were struggling with in the '50s and '60s." Lloyd noted there was once a time when black people were not considered U.S. citizens.

As word spread about Freedom University, the founders began receiving calls from university students and others in the community who offered to drive the undocumented students from Atlanta to Athens, an hour and a half away. Others organized an online book drive. Then, offers started coming in from scholars around the world volunteering to lecture at Freedom University.

The school is only a month old. It has 33 students. Eight had to be turned away because of space.

Running a school for undocumented presents certain challenges. The students worry about law enforcement, about being found out, arrested and deported. They worry about harassment by anti-immigrant activists should they discover the location of the school. The professors say they do all they can to protect the students and alleviate their fears.

Professor Betina Kaplan says she has learned about perseverance and the hunger to learn. "Our students will not get school credit for the courses, and because they're undocumented and because of their immigration status, they will not be able to work legally afterward, but they continue to come."

"It's wonderful," says Keish, "they are there because they want to learn."

Keish, an undocumented student, participates in a History class at Freedom University

Keish, an undocumented student, participates in a History class at Freedom University

This Sunday, Keish and her fellow students will gather again, as they do every Sunday, as they wait for what they hope will be a change of policy from the Georgia Board of Regents. Today, a group of professors and members of the student government from the University of Georgia will ask the University's Council to go on record opposing the Regents' policy. The Council will decide whether to push for a change that once again allows undocumented students, who have the grades and the scores, to apply to the state's leading colleges.

Keish is not waiting. She is applying to colleges out of state. On her applications, she says, she is identifying herself as undocumented. She will not keep her secret any longer.

"This is my home," she says of America. "This is the land that nurtures my dreams, that shapes who I am right now."

CNN's Michael Schulder contributed to this report.

soundoff (1,473 Responses)
  1. Bono Chipotle

    You know why greasy wetback mexicans arent in England? They can't float that far!!

    December 3, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • Christina

      ignore ass idiot!

      December 3, 2011 at 12:28 am |
    • jack assman

      Because your mother married her brother, or maybe you were dropped on your head at birth?

      December 3, 2011 at 12:41 am |
  2. eduardo

    THx to all those wonderful proffesors, they r an inspiration for us.

    December 3, 2011 at 12:06 am |
    • TomAmerican

      Yes, thank you for inspiring people to continuously break our laws. Every one of you should be brought up on charges of treason.

      December 3, 2011 at 12:19 am |
  3. Mari

    You all forget that most of the "illegal immigrants" being talked about in this article were brought to this country by their parents and not by choice. They did not choose to come here illegally and they are not criminals. It really is sad to see all these self-centered Americans complaining about them not paying taxes, living off of welfare, etc., etc. I know many White American citizens who don't pay taxes either and who live off of welfare too. I suggest instead of blaming immigration for the job losses and the state of the country you try paying more attention to your politicians and the laws that they pass to help greedy corporations and banks who are the ones that are really screwing Americans. Oh and for all of you ignorant people, take the advice of this formally illegal Mexican who is know an American citizen and educate yourselves on issues to avoid making asses out of yourselves 🙂

    December 2, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • Hello

      there is nothing to stop the from LEAVING by choice to their native countries and get an education there.
      What are they teaching them? how to take jobs away from American citizens.. how to break our laws?

      coming to the US soon Affirmative Action Laws that focus on bringing illegals to the front of the line ahead of American citizens. They will get first choice in front of tax paying citizens in education, housing, endless freebies.

      These illegal need to be deported and those who shelter them need to be tried for treason.

      December 3, 2011 at 12:34 am |
    • Hello

      they should be fined $1000 a day for being here... collected and shipped out of the country... if they return.. execute them.

      December 3, 2011 at 12:36 am |
  4. TomAmerican

    Instead of the 33 "students" in this school, let's look at another number. 12. That's the number of U.S. citizens killed daily by illegals. Even if that number were only 1 a year, that number is still too high for a crime that could be prevented simply by discouraging this invasion instead of the liberals constantly dangling carrots in front of them to break our laws.

    December 2, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
    • Jose

      can we see the source to that fact?

      December 3, 2011 at 12:34 am |
      • TomAmerican

        It is easy to look up. And even if I'm 99% wrong with that, why should one murder by an illegal be acceptable?

        Once again, one of the easiest crimes to prevent from happening by keeping them out of our country.

        December 4, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
  5. TomAmerican

    In a time when American citizens are hungry, homeless, undereducated, out of work, losing houses to foreclosure, etc, someone please explain to me why we are spending one penny to help people who's very presence is a violation of our law?

    December 2, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • Mari

      For all you people who don't know how to read, the article says that the students are being taught by professors who are DONATING their time, in buildings that are DONATED for this purpose. I don't know if you people know how to put two and two together but this means its not costing you a dime!

      December 2, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
      • TomAmerican

        This article is about 33 students. But, on this news site, and many others, articles can be found about illegals who are not only attending college (for in-state tuition, which is not offered to all U.S. citizens) but many also have scholarships that should be going to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.

        Let's try fixing our own internal problems first before we try to fix the world's. We are not the welfare or educational system of the world.

        December 3, 2011 at 12:27 am |
    • Hello

      because our government thinks we owe the world a living... The US is trying to be the world's provider for welfare.

      And what does the American Tax payer get for it... NOTHING..

      December 3, 2011 at 12:38 am |
  6. Pilgrim->MayFlower->illegal

    This country started with illegal occupation!!. Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness for everyone. May GOD bless this WORLD!!.

    December 2, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • TomAmerican

      Not exactly. The Native Americans didn't have an immigration policy and we all saw how well that worked out for them.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:26 pm |
  7. giovanni

    For you, arrogant white trash who only sit on your asses writing about anything you don't like, specially the illegals already here. Get a life!. Stop complaining so much, "we pay for their children education, we pay for their hospitals bills, we pay for their food stamps... and so on." You white trash have all the advantages that anyone in the world would love to have. You are american citizens. You can get ahead in life, you can work anywhere and make money to live the american dream. Oh, I forgot, the economy sucks, right?. Of course, the opportunities are there. You just have to look for them. Yes, that means, you actually have to get out of your seat and start doing something. All the white welfare living trash posting their hate about other human beings, being ahead of them in life, need to wake up and do something for their lives. Don't just wait the welfare check to arrive in the mail. Stop hating us so much, because we are going to start hating back.

    December 2, 2011 at 10:24 pm |
    • Seriously?

      Ugh, I am far from being White Trash. I have served this country, I am a Political Science major and I work my behind off...and I DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR ILLEGALS TO GET A FREE RIDE. I am a taxpayer and I have the right to say whatever the heck I want, I have the right to complain about it because every 2 weeks I have $$$ taken out of my paychecks! That is why.

      And my father is a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from South America and we are both against illegal immigration.

      December 2, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
      • seed

        when you forget where you come from and why you came here shows that you have no self esteem
        I pay Tax as well but respect the right of other to be educated But i guess you are scarred that you fellow immigrant will do better LoL

        December 2, 2011 at 11:42 pm |
      • jack assman

        BOOHOO cry me a river you complainer, political science really???? and what exactly do you wish to achieve by that??? Give me a break you complainer!

        December 3, 2011 at 12:38 am |
    • TomAmerican

      Even if I were "white trash" (which I'm not) what right do they have to come here and get a single benefit that has been paid by the American taxpayer (of which I am one) for the American taxpayer (again, of which I am one)?

      December 3, 2011 at 12:23 am |
    • Hello

      if you do not like living with white trash Americans who pay taxes. then why don't you take your non white trash self back to where you came from.
      WE Built this country with our lives.. you ran from yours like fleas off a dead dog.. go back to your country and make it better and stop trying to make ours like the zhit hole you came from.

      December 3, 2011 at 12:42 am |
  8. snowball

    Illegals take away jobs from real Americans by providing cheap labor and avoiding paying business licenses, permits, et al.

    December 2, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • Jose

      In Alabama and Georgia there are thousands of jobs available in the fields. The new immigration laws have driven out the workers. why aren't these openings being filled by "Real Americans"? The state governments are trying to get inmates to do the job (not working!) "Turns out, Americans who've chosen a life of crime don't have quite the same work ethic as Guatemalans who've walked through five hundreds of miles of deserts to feed their children" Stephen Colbert http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/400778/october-26-2011/alabama-s-migrant-workers

      December 3, 2011 at 12:55 am |
  9. snowball

    Try illegally moving to Mexico and see what happens. America is way too lenient!

    December 2, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      Unless you are planning to move to Mexico illegally, your comment is totally irrelevant.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:53 am |
  10. Brahms

    Immigration policy was completely relaxed in 1965 yet all I here from CNN is how difficult it is to become legal. Its never been easier to immigrate legally to America. Apparently, CNN wishes for to do away with immigration and naturalization laws all together; if one illegal alien is suffering, that's one too many.
    Not that many care but California will be 80% Hispanic in 20 years – and I'm supposed to be concerned about the plight of illegal aliens? – INSANITY. Perhaps Americans should be concerned that the country that they grew up in is quickly being transformed – who in the world wants more CHANGE?

    December 2, 2011 at 8:43 pm |
    • maddy legal

      easy to become legal? where, on mars? oh dear, you people are so uneducated about this issue. it's an extremely difficult process and there are, I believe, only three or four ways to do it. besides, INS makes it almost impossible to achieve. it's a headache. believe me, it's not easy. been there done that.

      December 2, 2011 at 8:46 pm |
      • Brenda

        Get educated before posting on an issue you have nothing but hatred on. Try being a poor Mexican with a family. Or a Guatemalan having to walk hundreds of mile for a chance to get a job to feed your family. History of human civilization is always to migrate to areas with more opportunities Deal with it. History repeats itself. Thank god human decency has mostly prevailed over bigotry as we have become enlightened in the last half of this century (to some degree).

        December 2, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
      • hilo, HI

        Brenda, **TRY BIRTH CONTROL IF YOU ARE 3RD WORLD POOR** (worked wonders for solving Ireland's extreme poverty) instead of leeching off another nation's Hard Work. (You know, The Revolutionary War, Civil War, Civil Right's Movement.)

        December 2, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
      • Seriously?

        So what?

        Since when did a GREEN CARD become a RIGHT?

        My father waited in line.

        December 2, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
      • Hello

        they need to take their countries problems to their government not ours we do not owe them a free living. They came from countries that have governments...those governments need to take care of their OWN people..
        You have no citizens rights here... you never will... got back to the dump you came from and change it.. not us.

        December 3, 2011 at 12:47 am |
    • hilo, HI

      Also, it is difficult to become a legal citizen anywhere, as it should be to protect a nation's sovereignty . The ONLY problem w/ USA's policies is that they are not enforced, and the 14th loophole has to be closed.

      CNN has some very warped pro-illegal alien agenda going on, esp in favor of illegal Mexicans.
      Perhaps it has to do with appeasing advertisers who count on the UNSUSTAINABLE high birth rates of 3rd Worlders for future consumers. Or maybe they just hate America. It;s bordering treason at this point, imo.

      AMERICA'S NEXT 9-11 WILL BE WORSE, AND WILL COME FROM ACROSS THE RIO GRANDE, NOT THE SKY.

      December 2, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • JG

      So apparently I'm supposed to feel sorry for insurgents that have invaded America and demand we educate them? Hmmm. . . gee I wonder if the author of this article has a latino last name. Yup.

      December 2, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
    • Lulu

      Who in the world wants more change? You've got to be kidding.....how about everyone in the world who doesn't live here already???

      December 2, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
  11. Brahms

    Twilight Zone – I am supposed to side with illegal aliens over my own countrymen? Gross propaganda article by CNN.

    December 2, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Laurie

      Brahms-exactly. How many billions do you thnk we should encourage to come here? How many billions will our goernment demand we support, with no recourse? Too many already, I'm afraid. Let's start with the 14th Ameendment, change that, pass E-Verify and soon the magnet for illegals will disappear. Then we can build a strong, impenetrable fence and make sure we don't have to deal with this issue for decades to come. I'm sick of supporting, coddliing, educating and medicating them on my nickle.

      December 4, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
  12. maddy legal

    you people have no idea what you are talking about. i am a legal alien (actually a citizen now–have been for a couple of years). you do NOT receive welfare if you are ILLEGAL. please, people, remember that. you do NOT. so stop saying that YOU pay for the illegals. you do not, thank you very much. also, in my ten+ years in the USA I have never applied for any welfare, always held a job, have a nice nest egg, no debts–except for this month's credit card bill that will have been fully paid at the end of the billing period, no foreclosure... educate yourselves, Americans! you have no idea how to treat money and now it's too late for you. and so you take your anger out on these poor little illegal immigrants. oh, and i'm 33 years old. peace, people.

    December 2, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
    • Emigdio

      Thank you.

      December 2, 2011 at 8:40 pm |
    • hilo, HI

      FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!

      ALL HOSPITAL COSTS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS................US TAX-PAYERS.

      HUD??? KNECK DEEP IN ILLEGAL ALIEN SEC 8 TENANTS, (Federal lawsuits pending)........US TAX-PAYERS.

      EDUCATION OF ILLEGAL ALIEN MINORS?...............................US TAX-PAYERS.

      We won't even get into rampant ID THEFT, or TAX FRAUD (taxes are not with held when they are paid 'off the books')

      December 2, 2011 at 9:01 pm |
      • hilo, HI

        *neck

        December 2, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
      • seed

        who more than that the legal people go to hospitals and do not pay. do not write if you do not know. you all are like Adolf Hitler, blame others because you can, it is human nature to blame others for there incompetence

        December 2, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
    • Lulu

      A 1997 General Accounting Office (GAO) report determined that in 1995 households headed by illegal aliens received a total of 700 million in AFDC benefits and 430 million in food stamps.......Snopes.com. Imagine what the number is now. it's you who doesn't know what they are talking about.

      December 2, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
  13. Ralph

    No matter how the news reporter wants to protray these/any ILLEGAL alien, the FACT remains they broke the law. I will always welcome any immigant the properly applies for permission the come to the USA. And similarilly, I will always condem any immigrant the bypasses our laws to immigrate illegally.

    December 2, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • A legal immigrant

      Can you speak or write properly?

      December 2, 2011 at 8:59 pm |
    • Brenda

      Yeah right. Try applying properly through the channels. If you don't get denied outright after spending $100 for the application which could mean a month's wages then try standing in line for 20-30 years until they feel you have enough ties to your home country and are not a "risk" to overstay a visa.

      December 2, 2011 at 9:01 pm |
      • hilo, HI

        Brenda, then try staying where you were born and WORKING (gasp) to improve the place, you know, like people like Dr King did in America rather than bailing to more racial-tolerant Europe.

        December 2, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
      • Alex K

        "hilo, HI
        Brenda, then try staying where you were born and WORKING (gasp) to improve the place, you know, like people like Dr King did in America rather than bailing to more racial-tolerant Europe."

        Just wondering why your and other American's ancestors didn't "try staying" where they were born and "improve the place"?

        December 2, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
  14. James

    What are they gonna do after they finish studying? Why don't they come here legitimately? I'd be ok with amnesty for the ones who are already here IF we can stop the stream of illegal aliens streaming in!

    December 2, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
    • hilo, HI

      ZERO AMNESTY, imo. The message that if you've been BREAKING THE LAW long enough, then it doesn't count is no good.
      "Look, I've been a (insert whatever) for 8 years. It's all I know. I rely on, am used to it. You didn't catch me sooner, at the start, so forget it now......."

      December 2, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
  15. carlitos higgins

    com'on people... these people aren't criminals... have u ever stolent anything in ur life regardless of how small and if so, is it ok if I lable you a thief for thei rest of ur life? have u ever lied and if so, are u a liar, have u ever gone over the speed limit, or ever take a drink before u were 21? if so, are u a criminal? so easy there with the labels, cuz they're not based on reason but more on prejudice. And something else, they're NOT taking ur jobs... when was the last time u filled out a job application to pick onions on ur knees and with ur bare hands, or for a well sought-out position at a car wash? look what happened in new mexico with all the farmers going up in arms about the fact that crops weren't picked cuz americans wouldn't take the jobs... if u say let's "terminate" em all (btw, good choice of words... not) then better be prepared to pay a LOT more for a ton of services/products that rely on low wage workers without any benefits as americans that filled them -if they do- would require much higher wages and benefits...

    December 2, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
  16. Emigdio

    Who knows, they may be applying for citizenship. While they're studying, they're probably studying for the citizenship tests. Thats how my parents became legal citizens.

    December 2, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • Amanda

      You do know that one cannot apply for a US citizenship just because one wants to, don't you?

      December 2, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
      • Emigdio

        Then how did my parents became citizens. Granted, my mother is only a resident preparing for the test. Look, I'm against the white trash, but the reason they're illegals is because of too many red tape in immigration policy. Otherwise, they would enter legitimately. Get rid of the laws not the people.

        December 2, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
  17. AG

    The beauty of America is in being an immigrant nation that attracts the most enterprising from around the world. Most major American enterprises such as Google, Yahoo etc have been set up by immigrants. Immigrant-founded companies accounted for a large portion of the total in the key technology centers, including Silicon Valley (52%), New York City (44%) and Chicago (36%), according to the research. Immigrant founders scored the lowest in other technology clusters like Portland, Ore., (18%), Research Triangle Park (19%) and Denver (19%). Between 1990 and 2004, over one-third of the U.S. scientists who received Nobel Prizes were foreign born.

    Immigrants create jobs for the bulk of American populace via disproportionate risk taking and hard work. It is this character of America that creates its enormous GDP and purchasing power.

    The solution for illegal immigration problem is something like guest worker program that allows people to come and go as they please with certain basic education and skill set. These people must have no criminal background and must pay all the taxes. This ability will eliminate the need for so many people to strive for US citizenship, eliminate body shops, exploitation that leads to much lower wages. It will enhance tax base and make the communities safer and richer. The idea that these people will steal American wealth and take it to their nations is unfounded. They will keep their wealth at both places and mostly spend in the US where they live. The idea that they will cause American wages to plummet is unfounded as American corporations get the labor rate they want by outsourcing. The idea that outsourcing should be outlawed will lead to trade barriers all across the world finally eliminating American technical and trading supremacy globally.

    Open societies and open borders lead to maximum wealth generation and happiness. Closed societies and closed borders eventually reach a terminal point in their growth. This has been shown time and time again for last several thousand years.

    December 2, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • TomAmerican

      Thank you for pointing out that slightest sliver of a percentage for the immensely successful legal immigrants. Now, let's look at the people that this article is actually about: The illegal immigrants. Yes, there is a huge difference.

      Illegals make up of about 1/30 of our total population, yet our prisons are almost 25% full of illegals or "nationality unknown". Doesn't that bear more examination about what is actually happening in the United States?

      December 2, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
      • Tee

        No. Thieves don't care about right and wrong.

        December 3, 2011 at 12:03 am |
  18. corntrader19

    Another nauseating, stale story about criminals that have learned to bilk the system and get away with it. My hope is that these criminals and their criminal parents are caught and deported. I won't hold breath though.

    December 2, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • Tim

      Are you kidding? Rich liberals are stomping on poor U.S. citizens as we speak, running to the ATM to send cash to these sob stories.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
  19. Go back please.

    We can't afford anymore to have foreigners come here to our colleges and then take high paying jobs our own citizens should have all the while sending money back to their country rather than investing it here in our own. The more foreigners who come here, the less our own will succeed. Instead of being diploma mills for the right price, universities need to begin investing in our own citizens, helping them find options to better education, and supplying our own citizens with jobs, not Gupta Ramesh or Samir Abdul, or Chang Chong. Foreigners should stay in their own country, and our own in ours and make the countries better through our own people. I'm not saying anyone has to agree with me, but I don't see anyone coming up with viable solutions either. Just a bunch of kids bickering while the boat sinks.

    December 2, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • bull crap

      Look at ur ancestors' history. most likely they r illegals too.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
      • Hello

        but when those illegals came there were no limitless freebie hand outs that was taken from working American citizens.

        the difference is..if we would not ;provide any assistance to them like our ancestors did not get.. then there would not be so many running here to get on the welfare system. WE bait them by offering them free what Americans are being forced to pay...
        The American tax payer is being fleeced... and robbed of our hard earned money...

        WE need a national tax payers revolt to refuse to pay taxes until the US gets all the freebie programs ended.. and remove all illegals...
        WE do not owe them a living... we can barely take care of our own...

        December 3, 2011 at 1:28 am |
      • moose

        My great grandmother made her future husband(great grandfather) return to the homeland and return properly when he tried to show up without his papers. The took a year and thousands of miles of travel. There is a right and wrong way to do things.

        December 3, 2011 at 3:39 am |
    • Alex K

      you are an ignorant redneck id..iot, apparently you dropped out of high school and work for $10 per hour. Stop being jealous, get education and maybe you can get a better paid job in future

      December 2, 2011 at 10:52 pm |
      • Tee

        You shouldn't be touting education with spelling and grammar skills as atrocious as those.

        December 3, 2011 at 12:10 am |
  20. marc

    Maybe while their studying they can look up the definition of the word illegal.

    December 2, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Tim

      "Lloyd noted there was once a time when black people were not considered U.S. citizens." LOL, are they really trying to compare people sneaking into the country illegally to slaves taken from Africa?

      December 2, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
      • No Sympathy Here

        No, they're erroneously equating anti-illegal immigration policy with racial discrimination. More sad is an university professor spewing this erroneous garbage of a comparison.

        December 2, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • pogojo

      they were property

      December 2, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    • madcow11

      Maybe when YOU study, marc, you will learn the difference in meaning between there, their, and they're.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
      • maddy legal

        right on, madcow11

        December 2, 2011 at 8:48 pm |
      • Lulu

        Amen to that one!

        December 2, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
      • Tee

        Your grammar is off. I see a comma that's improperly placed. Perhaps you need to sudy.

        December 3, 2011 at 12:13 am |
  21. citizen

    WOW! A safe haven for criminals.

    December 2, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • Tim

      Kim Chi and Taco lunches must be getting tiresome.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
  22. Jazzpianist

    @Lovenit: If you haven't noticed I really enjoy a spirited debate. You've apologized to me for inappropriate comments and "Luke" certainly deserves an apology from you for saying his mother should have aborted him. Please keep it sanguine and intelligent. Well-meaning people of all opinions can and do beg to differ.

    December 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
  23. Luke

    lovenit is wrong

    December 2, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • lovenit

      your mother was wrong when she decided not to abort you...

      December 2, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      Luke: "Lovenit has crossed the line with references to your mother and abortion. Please join me in ignoring any further posts.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
      • lovenit

        So now IM wrong bc I dont agree with LUKE!! haha. You two.

        December 2, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
  24. Whocares

    As well intentioned as this article may be, it is fodder for all the selfish, uneducated, greedy americans who can't stand seeing a foreigner get some minuscule attention.
    IIn a land of 310,000,000 million people, with a $14,500,000,000,000.00 (14-1/2 Trillion dollars) GDP and a $725,000,000,000.00 (Billions) Defense Budget the biggest issue to these "americans" is Ilegal Immigration. THAT is shameful and myopic.

    December 2, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • 12345678910

      Agree.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • Tim

      You are delusional if you think that illegal immigration is not one of the most pressing problems for this country, no matter how you feel about it personally. There needs to be a solution to the problem and condoning illegal immigration is not viable. This article is one of the most biased pieces of crap I have read in a long time.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • No Sympathy Here

      No one's saying it's the biggest issue, but where the economy is horrible and Americans and legal immigrants are suffering we have no sympathy for the "plight" of illegal immigrants.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
    • JOYCE

      It is so simple: the law is the law. Illegal means against the law. I am tired of hearing about the "poor illegals"-–how about the poor legals?

      December 2, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
      • A legal immigrant

        Yeah, poor you, blame someone else or their gods for your situation. Way to go, sorry you.

        December 2, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
  25. lovenit

    Well this is clearly a tiring, two-sided argument. You either support immigrants that want a better life, or you're a racist redneck that just wants them all to go back to where they came from. You decide. i know where I stand. & it's obviously pointless to try & convince otherwise. Have a nice life.

    December 2, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Luke

      Who doesnt want a better life?? i believe that every person wants to progress in life is most aspects but it is that they can do that at home and not hear. yes it may not be as organized or as available as the united states but thats too bad. why do you think the unemployment rate is so high right now? is it that us americans are taking up all the jobs and accidently putting our economy in the crapper??? nahhh

      December 2, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
      • lovenit

        ohh luke. find a bridge IMMEDIATELY and jump off of it! 🙂

        December 2, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
      • Lulu

        they aren't taking all the jobs, only the crappy ones that the whites don't want. it's the same in Canada. Farmers have to pay to bring in outside help for the summer....and give them a place to stay and pay to send them back because they can't find a single white person who will work in the fields. The food would rot there.

        December 2, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
      • Hello

        I would have a better life if i did not have the government stealing my money and giving it to people who do not belong here and do not pay taxes. I do not owe those freeloaders anything.. they have done nothing to deserve my money.
        I am a USAF Viet Nam vet... I earned my citizenship.. they have not more will they ever deserve my tax money.
        if they want a better life they need to take that up with THEIR governments not mine.

        December 3, 2011 at 3:14 am |
    • No sympathy here

      Well this is clearly a tiring, no-brained argument. You either believe what I do, or you're a racist/moron/jerk.

      There are three sides, really... Those whose bleeding hearts allow them to disdain our laws and viciously attack their own, those who believe we have laws for a reason and demand those who would live among us respect them and those who hate Latinos.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
      • lovenit

        true. yet, untrue. & change your name bc nobody is asking for SYMPATHY!!!!

        December 2, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      You're so full of yourself that I don't think a laxative would help. In other areas of illegal immigrant activity, illegal Russians, Somalis and Cubans are scamming the system. To me, this is NOT about race; it's about money. To make such an "agree with me or you're a racist" statement tells me that you are a very simple person who overestimates his/her "compassion". There are gray areas in every scenario. And by the way, I AM having a nice life. Y Usted? Und Zie? Et vous? E Lei?

      December 2, 2011 at 5:32 pm |
      • lovenit

        okayy. I totally said that in the wrong way. I did not mean "agree with me or you're a racist"(and for that I apologize), all I am saying is this is a 2 sided arguement. You support em or you don't. & I agree, this is not just about Mexicans, it's about all immigrants THAT DESERVE A FAIR CHANCE OF A GOOD LIFE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK HARD FOR IT!!!!!! Now stop twisting my words around

        December 2, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • Tim

      Lovenit, your intolerance for any view but your own shows your ignorance and inability to be objective. Some people believe in obeying the law and not breaking it just because you feel bad for someone.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
  26. Bill

    "They have nowhere else to go and no one else to teach them."

    F-ing lies.

    50,000 US soldiers died in Korea to ensure it stayed a Free Democratic nation with an abundance of schools & teachers. But, of course she has "nobody to teach her and nowhere to go."

    Truly the forgotten war. 😦

    December 2, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
  27. USN, SS RET

    If the illegals can show they have paided taxes for 10 years, give them and their kids green cards.

    December 2, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      I would counter with 20 years and a history of paid taxes, and to submit to a background check that verifies no receipt of any kind of welfare.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
      • Sandee

        You cannot get WELFARE, if you are ILLEGAL. The check all your docs. I think that they should pass the DREAM ACT so that these children can get status. They can then file for their parents if they have a clear background check. Americans think that illegals will steal their jobs -NOT true. As a matter of fact, we will pay more for fruits and vegetables since NO AMERICAN wants the job and there is spoilage. Ignorance pure and simple.

        December 2, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
      • No Sympathy Here

        You're so wrong Sand, illegals qualify for most welfare by virtue of their anchor babies and outright for "emergency" medical services.

        December 2, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
      • Brahms

        They get free healthcare for sure – at least 30% of all deliveries at my hospital are to illegals who pay ZERO.

        December 2, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • Hello

      and before that.. they need to repay all the freebies they have stolen from the American Tax payers.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:16 am |
  28. WVLady63

    WHO is paying for their education???? Bet our Government is picking up the tab, in secret! I am sick to death of paying for these illegal aliens! I have had to pay for my child's entire four years at her University and no one helped me with one dime! I don't have insurance but these illegals do! I pay taxes so that they can get free education, food stamps, free medical, free housing and anything else they want! THEY ALL SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO MEXICO AND IF THEY CROSS INTO AMERICA, THEY SHOULD BE TERMINATED!

    December 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      I was with you until the word "TERMINATED". Please take a breath, calm down, and THINK of what that means. To not want to fund this activity is one thing, but it is NOT worth ANYONE'S LIFE. I'm sure you'll agree with me upon reflection. Seriously.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • L

      The report states that the citizens involved are volunteers.... you're not paying for it. Read the article?

      December 2, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Luke

      even though the gov't isnt paying for this crap WE are still PAYING for THEM to be in this country which is donkey crap. send them alllllllllllllllllll back where they came from. if you were not born here do not live here PLEASE. i do not want you here taking our jobs and money and benifits.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
      • A legal immigrant

        Given choice for citizens, I'd send you back to where your ancestors were from first!

        December 2, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      @L: I read the article. WVLady63 was referring to where HER taxes went, in general. Those of us who aren't so arrogant understand that Freedom U is funded by volunteers and donations. It's a distinction without a difference.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • 12345678910

      I'm not sure where you are getting your information. My husband is an immigrant (we came to the US together, I as returning back after 5 years and him as my husband), and as a full time student and mother – Myself and my baby are eligible for public aid. But my husband is not. He is not eligible for anything. He works a lousy job that Americans only spend 1-2 months in, pays taxes, but gets no benefits – no healthcare, no stamps, no dental, nothing. He feels guilty when he gets sick. So I am not sure what immigrants are getting the benefits and why? I would appreciate any feedback on this.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
      • Tim

        Medical, welfare and educational benefits. For example, California has a more generous educational aid program for illegal immigrants than it does for U.S. citizens.

        December 2, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • A legal immigrant

      Don't bite the bullet yourself!

      December 2, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
  29. Luke

    virgoptrex is a complete moron – OPEN BORDERS??????? thats the most absurd thing i have ever heard.... the funny thing is its idiots like you who run our country into the crapper

    December 2, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
  30. palintwit

    The border states must keep their roads and bridges in good repair. There can be no glitches once the deportation buses start to roll.

    December 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
  31. Tee

    These leeches have no shame.

    December 2, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • palintwit

      Smelly little wetbacks.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
      • lovenit

        Dusty REDNECK! Trailer park trash!!!! ^^ Your name PalinTWIT says it all

        December 2, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
  32. Hooligan

    if this is how they choose to spend their time and energy it is their choice... however again I feel it is wrong that illegal immigrants are getting top notch education while many of our other U.S. born kids are getting the bottom of the barrel.

    December 2, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • lovenit

      Not their fault they want to work their tails off to get a "top notch education". Meanwhile, AMERICAN kids are the ones not willing to get off mommy & daddys wallets and do something for THEMSELVES!!!! American kids have just as much opportunity, but most are not willing to take advantage of it!

      December 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • Gera

      That is just your assumption, every citizen has the same chance, give me a break

      December 2, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
  33. Bye-Bye Freedom School

    Thanks CNN for pointing us in the right direction! You can bet this school will cease to exist in the next month. We have heard about it, and now we have teachers to shadow to actually find this place and have the illegals and their sympathizers arrested and prosecuted. It's time for real American citizens to take our country back since "our" bought and paid for politicians lack the "ganas" to do what is right, by the law.

    December 2, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  34. gino

    With all of their intelligence, why don't these students use a bit of it to become citizens?

    December 2, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
    • Sunny

      Why don't they go back to their country and go to school. I am sick and tired of this government allowing education, medical, welfare, food stamps, tax refunds, etc. Go back to your country and do some good there to improve your country,,

      December 2, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
      • lovenit

        Did it ever occur to you that maybe that is why they came here? Because they didn't have such a great opportunity in "their own country"?? We should be proud that we live in a country that is filled with opportunity & people actually WANT to come here! Americans are so spoiled and blind to see what is right in front of them. We are not talking about immigrants that come here & don't work, stay at home with 10 kids collecting food stamps and other Govt Assistance. We are talking about those that are not on there butts, but are actively in search of opportunities, such as an education. Immigrants that are trying to be productive deserve as much of a chance of you and I, regardless of their status. There are plenty of American kids that don't even try to get an education, so why not give that opportunity to someone willing to work hard for it??

        December 2, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
      • lovenit

        Ohh. & it's NOT that easy to just get up and become a citizen. It does cost money, something alot of them don't have alot of, which is why they came here in the first place!!!

        December 2, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
      • Bill

        "They have nowhere else to go and no one else to teach them."

        F-ing lies.

        50,000 US soldiers died in Korea to ensure it stayed a Free Democratic nation with an abundance of schools & teachers. But, of course she has "nobody to teach her and nowhere to go."

        Truly the forgotten war. 😦

        December 2, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
      • Geronimo

        @Bill
        US Soldiers died? That is so absurd! Soldiers went to invade some other nation and still doing that for reasons no one knows other than George Bush [Jr] and [Sr].
        Nerd Americans like you [who is not an intelligent and real American like me as our intelligent votes do not count] are taught absurd things.
        America be the supreme and so be its people. Americans should act like role models. Americans should not believe decisions made in the name of "god". Americans should believe that character of god [as defined by religious Nerds] is inside them. And bla bla bla-thank you :))

        December 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
      • Geronimo

        @Sunny
        Hey Sunny, I know you, you are an Asian Indian Sikh. Go back to Chandigarh and pull your Rikshaw or work in the farms. You have no business polluting our American fresh environment by your gases [eeks]. I hear you turban guys emit gases too often?

        December 2, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • L

      Why don't you use a bit of your inteligence to read up on the law, before making ignorant embarrassing coments?

      December 2, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
  35. R. Kelly

    This article is so biased. They didn't "move to America", her parents boarded a plane and lied to the Department of State by saying they were coming as "visitors" with the intention of returning home. The Visa Waiver Program was developed in 1986, with S. Korea as a participant. The parents took advantage of a good system based on trust between 2 countries. I do feel very sorry for this lost generation of kids and we need to have reform to help them. This should include however, the parents being charged with endangering the welfare of a child. Let the kids study! Lock up the parents!

    December 2, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
  36. Gera

    There are millions of illegals already living in the US so to send them all back to where they came from is impossible, what we need to do is legalize those who have been living here for at least 20 yrs. those poor kids need a break. And after that, lets start punishing any business hiring illegals. That is the reason they are here in the first plece

    December 2, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Clos

      You're right. These kids don't have a choice. American businesses do. Don't blame them, blame American greed.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • No sympathy here

      Amnesty only makes the problem worse. If they wanted legal status they would pursue it instead of hoping we change the laws or give them amnesty out of pity.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
      • Gera

        How can they pursue legality? there is no way!

        December 2, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
    • Clos

      Why should they go through the trouble of getting legalized when our businesses will hire and pay them anyway?

      December 2, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
      • Gera

        the point is to legalize some people, that way business won't get penalized and the rest of the illegals would go back to their Countries of origin.

        December 2, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Aloisae

      We tried increasing the penalties (and enforcement) for hiring illegal immigrants at the same time as granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants who had been in the US for I believe it was 5 years or more. Ronald Reagan was President at the time. There were several smaller amnesty programs that followed. The result was an increase in illegal immigration, not a decrease. If another amnesty program is attempted, it needs to be tied not only to increased penalties for hiring illegal immigrants but a substantial increase in the penalties to those entering the country illegally: things such as hefty fines and confiscation of property to pay for immediate deportation costs, bans on ever applying for US citizenship, and for repeat offenders bans on ever applying for legal residency or work permits.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  37. Clos

    Well good for them!

    December 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
  38. palintwit

    @ Doug... Who appointed you the " post police " ?

    December 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
  39. leszul

    If you are here illegally you have no right to take the place of a LEGAL American resident in any college or university. Reason why when these illegals come to America you must get your papers!!!! Ugh They do not deserve any type of hand out and I do not feel bad for any of these kids. It's their parents fault that they came here illegally and now their kids are paying the price. Get them out of America!

    December 2, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • Julio

      Who are you to say they dont deserve an education. Our coutry was built on the sweat and blood of immigrants. Now because you feel that these kids should pay for thier parents mistakes makes you right? They are putting forth the effort to make this country great. Most of the spoiled, legal americans feel they are owed something and dont want to work for it. I'm born and raised here in America and I'm glad that we allow these kids to get educated in our system, I hope they change there policy soon!!! Instead of complaining more American born citizens need to get off their buts and get their own education!!!

      December 2, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
      • No sympathy here

        "Who are you to say" that they're wrong? Maybe if illegals got off their butts and pursued legal residence, instead of hoping for amnesty and law changes they'd be the ones attending the top 5 schools in Georgia?

        December 2, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
      • lovenit

        I couldn't agree more with you Julio!! I am all for helping out immigrants who are actually making the effort to do something with their lives to better themselves. Unfortunately twits like this^ don't see it that way. They are part of the American group that do believe they are owed something for what they have not worked for. This country was in fact built by immigrants & it will continue to grow & prosper as more and more come to this country in search of a better life. When people say ignorant things like "they should all go back to their country", then it's obvious they are probably just racist rednecks!

        December 2, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
      • Aloisae

        Or the students profiled in this story could "get off their buts" and get an education at any of the dozens of colleges and universities in Georgia alone that accept illegal immigrants, including the majority of the state schools. But that would just give them a useful degree that would allow them to pursue their stated goals.. rather than make a political point by denying themselves a degree by choosing instead a non-accredited "university".

        December 2, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
      • Wraith

        Morons like lovenit and Julio here like to say this country was founded by immigrants, and while true, it's not entirely true. Both sets of my great grand parents were immigrant families, my mother's family from Ireland, my father's from Mexico. They, however, did so legallly.

        You cannot better a nation when the very first thing you do is flaunt the laws of that very nation.

        December 2, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
      • lovenit

        Wraith: & How long ago was that??? It's not that easy TODAY for an illegal immigrant to just become legal all of a sudden!! & I didn't say my statement was ENTIRELY true, but it is still a fact! Everyone here is descendent of another country other that the USA, and your point is?? We are not talking about ancestors here.

        December 2, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
      • bull crap

        @ Julio, we need people like u to educate these ignorant Americans.

        December 2, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
      • Tara

        Love how most of you twist the words around to suit you. Illegal immigrants are the ones that feel as if Americans owe them something not the other way around. How do you think that the illegal immigrants are making this country great? What do they do?

        December 2, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
  40. John

    I'm sorry but there are tens of thousands of poor legal AMERICANS who can't afford college and would die for this opportunity! Then there are those of us PAYING our way as well as for those that can't pay their own way like these people. This is a feel good piece that's supposed to make us feel sorry for these kids who "just want to learn". Get in line and get your paperwork taken care of become a legal resident. End of discussion – that's all they need to do. If I were to go overseas without paperwork in many countries I would be thrown in jail and also wouldn't be able to get a job. Why do we feel we should be any different? We have to take care of our citizens and then we can help out the rest. I'm struggling working two jobs to legally pay for my girls to go to college, perhaps I should just send them to another country illegally and have them take care of them – oh wait, we are the only ones that give illegal aliens all the rights of a citizen.

    December 2, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Julio

      John you might want to get a refund on your education. Where does it say that your paying for there education? The article actually says that they pay sometimes triple what in state students pay. They are working there butts off to get an education. You talk about people that cant pay for it or people that bust thier butts to barely get an education is that these students fault? Your working 2 jobs to give your girls the best you can, well I'm sure as a seamstress and working at a flea market werent makeing millions. Or even taking jobs away from so called hard working american. Stop feeling sorry for your self if your daughters are the best at what they do they will have no problem. The problem we have in this country is that Americans want everything given to them WORK FOR IT!!! STOP COMPLAINING!!!

      December 2, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
      • Ben

        It did say that they are getting free education from this place. Also the girl being interviewed had a family income of 14 thousand last year. Tripple in state tuition would be more than that so she would have to be on scholarship if she was going to the university. So it is a good thing that the state doesn't let them.

        December 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
      • Tara

        Julio obviously you must not be and American either. If not why do you feel you have the right to make a post on this American website.

        December 2, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • Whocares

      Your line of thinking is so pervasive and mudded among some folks that it really makes you wonder...
      Some people (like you, I imagine) praise perverts, neofites like Herman Cain, Donald Trump, etc... the very people who are exploiting us all. But humble people who are struggling to make it in the world, and PAYING for everything they consume, are simply labeled "Ilegals".
      Right wing nuts in this country, pledge allegiance to "Free Market" Capitalism. Oh but when a poor young family from South Korea leave everything they have in search of the "American Dream" then it's not so free.
      It's called – Hypocrisy, Imperialism, Ego-centrist.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
      • Tara

        how can they find the American Dream IF THEY AREN'T AMERICANS

        December 2, 2011 at 8:59 pm |
  41. nospam2

    Hey ICE, CNN already did half your job for you giving you the name and photo of several illegals. Now DO YOUR JOB!

    December 2, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
  42. Doug

    Such an offensive comment! Someone please remove this post.

    December 2, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • palintwit

      Such an offensive comment! Someone please remove this post.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  43. No sympathy here

    Sorry, but I have no sympathy for this anymore. If you're a promising student and you're here illegally, get in line to become a Legal Permanent Resident! Georgia has done what every other State should do, deny services to illegal immigrants in deference to legal immigrants and American citizens. If parents REALLY wanted a better life for their children they would come to the USA legally, contribute to society and instill good morals and work ethics in their children. The sad reality is "a better life" often means "take advantage of the American taxpayer and get ahead through pity and special interest groups."

    December 2, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • keith

      Remember when America was using people's labor 24/7 without paying them ?

      December 2, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • No sympathy here

      Mind explaining how that's even remotely relevant to my comment?

      December 2, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
  44. Rick

    Here we go again.. These stories of the poor illegal that cant go to college in America. Just like the one earlier this week about the illegal teenager killing himself because he couldn't go to College And because of no Dream Act being passed he shot himself and left a letter pertaining to that. We come to find out that's not true that he said that in his letter. He wrote about 9 letters to people.None of the letters said anything about the Dream Act. They are pumping these stories out to get attention to get Congress to pass the dream act. There will be another story in the next week about the poor illegals not getting not getting the College education they say they deserve. This is all about the dream act.

    December 2, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • Team

      Right on the money man. Plus :
      -"And so, when she was 10, with no English except the words "mom, dad, and maybe tiger," Keish and her family moved to America." – The author forgot to say " Keish and her family illegally crossed the border to America".- ISN'T it a FEDERAL CRIME punishable by 5 years in federal prison?. Why are they crying about unequal rights. If you want to be here – come here legally, not like a rat through underground holes. And don't play the system using loopholes through VAWA and DREAM ACT

      December 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
  45. Bubba

    It's like one of those optical illusions: do you see a thief trying to steal your beer money, or an able person wanting to join up and help build America? I'd sooner have Keish as a citizen than Herman Cain, or unamerican Ron Paul.

    December 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      What about the "rule of law"? No other country that I'm aware of does this by policy. We simply can't afford to fund everyone's dreams; especially those whose residency is being questioned.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
    • Will

      nice +1

      December 2, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • Madison

      While Keisha's story is compelling, we are also facing a record deficit in our citizens education, putting America at a severe disadvantage. She seems great, smart, although I do wonder why her parents or she didn't at least begin the process to become legal. Even to get her a student visa, which would put her in place to apply at any college she wanted. And while she seems great, if I had a choice, I would choose to find students in Africa and the middle east who's lives are in danger and allow them to study in America. But I guess that's the point of illegal immigration. We DON'T get to choose who comes and studies in our country.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
      • Sam

        First, you need to pay a nonrefundable fee to get the privilege to have the US Consulate look at your visa application, then you need to prove you already have enough money to pay for all 4 years of college (at out-of-state tuition rates) in order to get a student visa, and even then, it's not guaranteed the visa will be awarded. If US citizens (like me) are not able to prove this when their children are about to go to college, how can you expect people from poorer nations to be able to do this, no matter how bright they are? In other words, it's like saying there is no legal way for these people to study in the US, unless their parents are like the Bill Gates of their countries. I'm glad when I was getting my B.A, M.S, and Ph.D., submitting these proofs was not a requirement. Otherwise, I would not be in a position to contribute to Silicon Valley's success. Behind Apple's (or any other Silicon Valley company's) success are thousands of immigrant engineers. Without them, US would not be the great country it is today. This is not to say US-born citizens (like Steve Jobs) have not made contributions as well, just that more bright, hard-working immigrants are critically needed, and should not be turned away.

        December 2, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
  46. Give to Freedom University!

    Everyone should donate to Freedom University so that they can continue this important work. http://www.freedomuniversitygeorgia.com

    December 2, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • AngelicaS

      If we're going to give to something it will be to promote lawabiding behavior not to grant rewards for lawbreaking!

      December 2, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • Team

      Yes – give them your children's money. Let them know that illegals are more important inthe US than your children.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • Aloisae

      Given that there are dozens of accredited colleges in Georgia alone which admit illegal immigrants, let alone the hundreds if not thousands of them in other parts of the US, why should people give money to a non-accredited "university"? While gaining knowledge for the sake of knowledge is a laudable goal, what this "university" is really doing is using these students to make a political statement and diverting them from the available options (including most of the state schools in Georgia) for pursuing an education which could provide them with a useful degree.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • Ben

      There is no excuse for paying to send criminals to college when children of legal residents of this country can not afford it. I can understand that you want them to have a chance at a better life, but a college degree is something most americans dont have. Why should we help them to have better oppertunities than we get.

      December 2, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Hello

      Isn't the federal government stealing enough money from us to support these freeloaders that you want us to donate MORE?
      how about they donate money to the American Tax payer to help us pay our taxes and pay our bills????

      December 3, 2011 at 3:20 am |
  47. s

    i am very, very sorry for these children, i really am. i understand that it is not their fault that their parents didn't pursue the legal path to immigration, and it's very unfair to the children to have worked so hard to not be able to pursue a higher education. we simply can't support these students. if they can pay their way, if they meet the academic standards, let 'em go to school, if it doesn't mean bumping a legal resident who also meets the academic requirements, but if it means the taxpayer footing the bill, then no, i am so sorry, we cannot pay for our own children to go to college as it is.

    December 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • lala

      nobody is hindering these illegals to go to school as long as they PAY their own tuition just like us CITIZENS. But to ask and then give free schooling to these illegals, it's absolutely not right and just unfair for US CITIZENS/Americans. It's good that these teachers/professors teach these kids for free but giving free college education at the expense of taxpayers is just not acceptable.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
      • Hello

        Mexico and all the south American countries have schools and colleges.. they can go there..to college.if they want a free education let their tax payers pay for it .. not us...

        December 3, 2011 at 3:23 am |
    • A legal immigrant

      Well said and agreed.

      December 2, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
  48. mitebite

    Unfortunately, this is the result of illegal activity. Its effects carry on through your life and your kid's life. This is a sad story and I kind of understand why her parents did what they did. Now however, she is reaping the reward of that decision. Rarely do good things happen from wrong activity. Sorry for her. Life Rules

    December 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
  49. Bubba

    We don't want people here anymore who believe in the American Dream, because they make us remember when we believed in it ourselves.

    December 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • Justin

      Apparently Bubba's "American Dream" is breaking the law to better oneself. By your logic it's perfectly okay to knock off a bank, as long as it gets me closer to my American Dream!

      December 2, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
    • John

      We want people here, but we want them to follow the rules and get here legally. The American dream is allive and well but you obviously can't see past your own hatred. Anyone who has to resort to calling people names "unamerican" etc. loses credibility in my book and just shows their own true colors.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
  50. takeback

    Governments won't(& don't)listen to us, the legalized taxpayers – & we're tired of it. Tired of being denied an education, a job, welfare benefits, hospital care, etc., because the illegals get it. Maybe its time to totally be disobedient: get guns & shoot to kill every illegal one can find. If gov't can't, don't & won't listen to the legal taxpayers of the USA, then maybe its time to just give up & shoot up.

    December 2, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • mitebite

      Medic – Get this guy outta here!

      December 2, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Jimbo

      If you weren't on the CIA list already I think you just made it.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
    • teresa

      hmmm... I'm not sure you're targets are the right ones.... who is allowing them to be here? I applaud your honesty and assessment of the situation. And I agree with it.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    • Bubba

      Take your medication and lie down until you feel better.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
    • Doug

      You should be ashamed of yourself to say that you would shoot up the illegals. Someone should pay attention and remove this post so others don't chime in. Illegality is an issue, and so is humanity. Think about what causes most people to enter the US illegally- poverty! Utter poverty in other nations that people hear can't begin to comprehend. Have a heart and change your thinking. Manage these issues through legal means, not violence.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
  51. david

    This is funny everyone that says"no illegals" needs to remember on one thing.. The pilgrims were technically illegal when they first landed here. I also find it funny that people are always generalizing and lumping all immigrant together as 'terrorists" no matter of their point of origin. I feel that no matter of you immigration status in this country if you are here to better yourself and the lives of your family then you have a right, but if all you are here for is to cause trouble or make waves, then get out and stay out.

    December 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • Jimbo

      Technically, there were no laws when the pilgrams showed up. I'm not saying it was right, but you want to get technical, then you will technically fail with that argument.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Bob

      If you can't claim 1st Nation/Aboriginal blood. You're an illegal. I like that. GtFO.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • Justin

      Illegal according to what law?

      December 2, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  52. palintwit

    Old, abandoned airplane hangars can be used to temporarily house illegal Mexicans while they are waiting to be processed for deportation. They can then be sent back to Mexico in buses and railcars.

    December 2, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • RATM_ANON

      Nazi much?

      December 2, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
      • Justin

        Obeying federal laws is Nazism now? You aren't very familiar with what Nazism is.

        December 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  53. Jimbo

    Ok, so these smart motivated illegals get a degree from "Freedom Universtiy" then go and apply for a job as an engineer. The person hiring is going to be like Freedom University? What is that? I could go sit in some lecture halls for 4 years and get smart for free but I won't get that piece of paper that states I did and I won't be able to get a good job. Sorry, but that is the truth.

    December 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
  54. Alex

    So when are we deporting these illegals?

    December 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
    • Justin

      Maybe after the election. My friend working for DHS caught seven illegals this week, and every single one of them is back on the streets by Friday morning. One is eight months pregnant too – judge gave her a free ride to have her anchor baby.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  55. Bone

    This is a hard way to go , I couldn't be the one to tell this young lady that she couldn't be go to higher learning ! But on the other hand after spending time in Korea I am well aware of there laws on half breeds of military kids who were left by the farther and the Korean mother has to make ends meet . I guess you could say that until other governments decide to treat everyone the right way then we shouldn't be put up as being heartless ! That's the way things are it's bad but this is realty . If her scores are that good then why doesn't she go back to Korea and apply since she is a Korean citizen . To many of our young can't attend due to money problems .

    December 2, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
  56. HPUCK

    I repeat. Illegal is illegal. There are plenty of poor legal famlies that would like to send their kids to college. And these illegal students that have grown up thru out school systems, have gone to school on the backs of legal taxpaying ccitizens. These illegals and their familes come into this country and demand they be given the rights of legal citizens, NO,NO,NO. Deported every illegal. Let them apply for citizenship the legal way.

    December 2, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • lala

      I totally agree.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
  57. New Channel

    Go to private university like U of Phoenix and get an online education.

    December 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • New Channel

      I mean online education from your own country of origin, Mexico, Korea or China. Leave us alone, please!

      December 2, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
      • Abby

        Pathetic

        December 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
      • Bubba

        You are an oaf

        December 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
      • A legal immigrant

        @new channel
        What a looser!

        December 2, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
  58. flapjack

    I came here legally and can not afford college as it is so expensive but if you are here illegally then it gets paid for you. I want to know why this is allowed to happen. why are US citizens screwed and illegals get it for free?

    December 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
    • Dan

      Because to the Democratic party two illegal votes are worth more than one legal one. Just pay your taxes and keep quite alright.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
      • Texas Wild Man

        Unfortunately, Dan the man is correct. You can blame the Democraps who every election year get people who are either dead or illegal to vote in this country for another fine piece of work like a stankin Kennedy. It blows me away when all these pathetic Losers call the Kennedy Clan "America's Loyalty" who in the 30s and 40s were some of the biggest crooks in the country. Joe, their "Daddy" was a " Bootlegger" who made his millions in Illegal Liquor during the Prohibition Period. Look it up it is true, and we wonder what happened to this great country????

        December 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
      • Justin

        Sadly it's not just the Dems. There are plenty of Republicans who will also sacrifice American jobs and money for a couple beaned-up votes.

        December 2, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
  59. jewel

    there is a way to become legal for them. a friend of mine came from mexico with his illegal parents when he was a child. he got married, had twins and decided he wanted to do the right thing n get legal. he contacted an immigratiin lawyer, had to leave his babies to go back to mexico while awaiting the paperwork to be completed. he is now a legal citizen n very proud of it.

    December 2, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • Misterwire

      Jewel, you are absolutely right. They want free green cards so that they could mary their ethnic people.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
  60. Sondra

    Why the drama? Send them to a Calif state college where they will be welcomed with open arms and given a scholarship. Of course with Calif giving all the hand outs that is why their deficit next near will be about 15 billion.

    December 2, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • MaryM

      Then the illegal students can from college, get a job and then can afford to pay these immagration attorneys to become a legal US citizen

      December 2, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
      • MaryM

        correction: graduate from college

        December 2, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • GinaNSocal

      I hope you were being facetious, because I know that I not only speak for myself, but also for other California residents who did not have a choice to REJECT the Dream Act through a vote. It was imposed upon us. Many of our local politicians as we speak are trying to get it replealed. It's not fair that legally born kids are told "There's no room at the inn"
      when they worked their butts off fours years in high school, scored great on their SAT's, but they don't have a guaranteed "default placement" as illegals do like the Dream Act

      December 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
  61. palintwit

    Round 'em up ! Lock 'em up ! Head 'em out ! Rawhide ! Yeeehaawwww !!!!! Get those deportation busses moving !

    December 2, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • Bobby

      Your name sounded like Sarah Palin. What a dumb comment you have posted. Your comment has made you look like a red neck with a blue Ford truck. Did you finished your high school?

      December 2, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
      • HPUCK

        Bobby, you are the dumb one. Why don't they round up the illegals and send them to your house and you can pay for them, and then they can lock you up for arboring illegals.

        December 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
      • Texas Wild Man

        Bobbi, did you "finished" high school also, I believe the word you were looking for is "Finish" Genius boy!!!
        Man talk about the kettle calling the pot Black!!!!

        December 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm |
  62. randy

    Whay part of illegal dont people understand. the professors, the people helping this kids should all be sent to jail. i have kids of college age. i dont see any one jumping to help them. they have to pay there way. if kids want to go to are school, than they do it legally. as long as we have bleeding hearts in this country, than illegals well be able to do what they want, with out having to worry about thing.

    December 2, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • JH

      So Sad...karma cops are gon' hunt you down!

      December 2, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • Bobby

      Randy, you are so stupid. Do you know out of state tuition? They pay more money than you can afford.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • Bubba

      Your kids should have studied harder so they could get into a good college.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
  63. Bob

    If anyone has the inclination to support illegal aliens in the U.S. then admit that you want to be fair to everyone and to do that means you want the our laws repealed and you want everyone to be allowed to enter the U.S. for a better life otherwise it is not fair to those who honor our laws and those who came legally and are awaiting citizenship. Oh yea a poor family that wants food for their children should be allowed to rob a bank using only a note of course thus we should repeal robbery of banks without the use of a weapon.

    December 2, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Butchie67

      Hey Bob; Re: your bank robbing comment; I think we should make everything legal then we wouldn’t have any crime. Think about that, no police, no judges, lawyers, no jails. Heck, I think we just discover how to end this deficit spending!

      December 2, 2011 at 2:50 pm |
  64. Kana

    Based on this article it can be inferred that some of the children's parents have legal status to be in the U.S. Those parents should have taken the necessary steps to ensure their children legal status.
    For those children participating in Freedom University that apply to other schools and may be accepted. In that situation who is paying for their books\tuition? I don't have a problem with ILLEGAL aliens going to school in the U.S. as long as they are not benefiting from tax payer programs. It is the children's parents' responsibility to ensure their legal status. If the parents have legal status to be in the U.S. and the children don't, it's the parents fault if the children are deported.

    December 2, 2011 at 11:40 am |
  65. Ed Hass

    Good for them! My grandparents escaped Nazi Germany in 1939 because their grandparents were Jewish. Because America's ally of Great Britain was at war with Germany and they had come from Germany, their paperwork was stamped "enemy alien." And because they had fled for their lives instead of following "proper immigration channels" they had very little rights. My grandmother had been a respected botanist in Germany (a plant was named after her!) and owned a pharmacy, but in the US she was an enemy alien and worthy to be hired only to clean toilets. Grandpa was an MD but few communities wanted a "filthy Jew" as their doctor, he finally got a job as a physician at a very small college. His ideas about sanitary environments were laughed at but turned out in hindsight to be correct. They had a hard time finding housing. Real estate ads would say "churches nearby" which they quickly learned means "no synagogues nearby so stay the hell out of OUR neighborhood you filthy Jew." In 72 years, little has changed, except which aliens we pick on now.

    December 2, 2011 at 1:41 am |
    • Jazzpianist

      Your post is the most silly I've read today. Everyone has a horror story in this country; start with Native Americans. Get in line to complain. Ask me about the horrible legacy of slavery. We Americans have a right to protect the integrity of our legal system. I'm sure there are many "compelling" stories about aspiring students throughout the world who would give anything to be here. Here's an idea–why don't these teachers go abroad and deliver their free services there? Here, it should be Americans first, and if that means Americans "only", so be it.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:11 am |
      • -d-

        By "American" I suppose you mean anyone living in the Americas, right? It's nice to know that good people like you exist. But you know, poor people deserve your scorn. Long live your ignorant privilege!

        December 2, 2011 at 11:49 am |
      • Jmissal

        "American" clearly means an American Citizen...an individual who's nationality is that of the United States of America. And there is only ONE "America".

        In other words, I am an American. I am not Canadian, Mexican, Cuban, Belizian, Costa Rican, El Salvadoran, Guatemalan, Honduran, Nicaraguan, Panamanian, Argentinan, Bolivian, Brazilian, Chilian, Colombia, Ecuadoran, Guyanan, Paraguayan, Peruan, Surinamian, Uruguayan, and Venezuelan or French Guianan.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
      • Bobby

        I've never heard African American Red Neck. I think you are the ONE.

        December 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm |
      • Jazzpianist

        Bobby: Feel better now? You are assuming facts NOT in evidence and engaging in name-calling. And guess what? Nothing you posted was thoughtful or the least bit insightful except the fact that you slur those with whom you disagree. You can support any issue or not; just do so with integrity.

        December 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
    • Chuck

      d, posts like yours just sound so obnoxious in the light of reality. If we can't, in today's atmosphere of world-wide financial difficulty educate OUR children, then we need to take a long look at the idea of educating everyone else's. The idea that college is free is just nonsensical; I know it sure isn't in our state, but when I was sending my own children, I sacrificed to send them where I could afford to send them, as well as where they were accepted. If that meant they started college at a community college, then so be it. If that meant they lived at home and went to college, so be it. If it meant they didn't go to a school we couldn't afford and they didn't get a scholarship, so be it, but somehow they managed and so did we, to get 3 kids educated and out into the working world. We did it without acting as if them having to go to a school that wasn't their first choice was heinous and equivalent to the treatment of Jews after WW2 or worse.

      Get real, d, it is not stupidity, callousness, or ignorance that makes many US citizens refer to the USA as "America". It has been referred to that way for hundreds of years by people all over the world. Get over your self-righteous self, Please! We can no longer take care of the whole world, and those who want to blame us for everything are living in the Land of Unreality, or have spent their lives playing the "I'm a Victim, I can't help myself" game. And before you start freaking out on me about how narrow my view is, etc, I have a NPO for an orphanage in Haiti, and 100% of donations, no admin fees taken out, is given to take care of those kids. I am no racist, as anyone who knows me would attest, and I live in an inter-racial family. I have worked in this field for years, and I still see the truth; Americans can help many people in many countries, particularly as individuals, but everyone can't come here to live, and those who do should do it legally. It does not help to "sink the ship" and everyone goes down with it.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • Texas Wild Man

      Mr. Ed Hass, little has changed in 72 years??? Are you kidding me MAN????? Look I know Germany was harsh during the Nazi years but guy, nothing has changed in 72 years??? Illegals during the Nazi Period were rounded up and gassed in concentration camps, now a days in this country illegals are given almost more rights than you have as a legal, and they don't have to pay taxes or serve this country, get a grip, ya smuck!!!!!

      December 2, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  66. JimFelman

    America desperately needs educated people and I really hope president Obama will soon pass the Dream Act through an executive order. He has nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.
    My company is currently trying very hard to hire qualified engineers and the only place we can find them is NOT in this country!

    December 2, 2011 at 12:59 am |
    • Kana

      The Dream Act applies to legal U.S. citizens who's parents are illegal aliens. As far as hiring qualified employees, I don't believe with current high unemployment you can't find qualified employees. Companies in the U.S continue to lay off U.S. workers and relocate those jos over seas. What I find is companies refuse to hire people that have been unemployed for extended periods. Those over 45 years old also have a more difficult time of finding re-employment. With the recession many companies are also taking advantage to restructure they pay and benefits. So even if those that are now unemployed if they get hired it will most likely be at lower wages and less benefits. Many companies also utilize more part time workers so they can avoid paying certain govt regulations and not have to pay benefits.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:15 am |
      • Jazzpianist

        Wrong. The Dream Act applies to the illegal children of illegals. Get your facts straight.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      You've missed the point. Every space taken by an illegal alien student can and should be filled by a qualified American citizen. Work visas for needed experts is a different issue until those visas are overstayed.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:17 am |
      • Bmandoh

        To bad most od our students are to stupid to get into college. If you can make the grades and pay your way it's stupid not to give someone an education.

        December 2, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
      • Jazzpianist

        Bmandoh: Have you not been paying attention? This is about fair and proper allocation of resources, in this case, education. Reading your post makes me challenge you as to who is "dumb" here.

        December 2, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
    • will

      Because the smart kids were too white to get into college.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • Plam

      The jobless rate for Americans with at least a bachelor's degree rose to 5.1%, the highest since 1970 when records were first kept, reports the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Are we really so desperate for college grads?!?

      December 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
  67. Guy Kimble

    I if you want to go to school and learn. Then hop on the first bus you see and head back to Mexico where you came from. Then freedom will be working! Last time I knew Mexico was a free country. I wonder if Mexico will teach me for free and let me live on their dime for a change. President Obama has allowed these illegals’ to invade our cities, schools and homes. Now when states stand up against the unjust treatment of the United States citizens they get sued. Obama needs to start enforcing laws already on the books instead of waiting to pass new ones that allow illegals amnesty.

    December 2, 2011 at 12:26 am |
    • pal

      did you read the article? it is clear to me that keish is from korea, not from mexico. also, i would rather have keish as a classmate as she is obviously an intelligent woman while you are nothing other than a worthless piece of human being.

      i think if anyone needs to go, it would be you. people like you ruin this country, guy kimble.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:03 am |
      • Abby

        Well said! I can't stand how ignorant these people are! I was once illegal (OH NO!) and so what? You people have no idea what it is like to live like that. I'm a college student too and I gtt financial help because I looked for it and didn't sit here and complain about how others are getting help and I'm not! Stop acting like illegals get everything, do something about it and you can get it too.

        December 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • Ed Hass

      What does illegal immigrant mean anyway? We humans invented the laws that declare one path to citizenship legal and another path to citizenship illegal. And we humans can CHANGE our own laws if we decide they are unfair and unjust. Mother Nature created NO law that says a person can live on one piece of ground and not on another piece of ground. WE created those laws, and WE have the right to change them!

      December 2, 2011 at 1:50 am |
      • Jazzpianist

        That is soporific, impractical, unrealistic nonsense. With all the threats we Americans face from those who hate us, your musings advocate nationalistic suicide.

        December 2, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • K. Montás

      Sometimes ignorance is just that: ignorance! Arizona, Colorado, California, Florida...

      December 2, 2011 at 8:55 am |
    • Paulina Perez-Bejar

      Guy Kimble?

      Are you a native American? by your name I doubt it.

      What it means that you are an immigrant ignorant. The difference is that your grandparents or your parents came to USA and the government at that time allow them to stay.

      Guy, you may may need to enroll the the Freedom University and try to learn some American History. Those "immigrants" know more about this country than you.

      December 2, 2011 at 10:56 am |
      • Kana

        Sorry Paulina, but an immigrant is someone who comes from another country. Just because someones parents\grandparents\ancestors came another country does not make their children immigrants. For the past 220+ years the U.S. has been a sovereign nation with immigration laws. Even so, many people with Native American heritage, not even full blood (immigrants), receive exemption from State and Federal laws\regulations.
        There is a difference between citizenship and heritage. If your were born in the United States or one of our Territories, Military bases or other qualifying situation your are an American citizen. Your heritage is based on where your parents\grandparents\ancestors came from.

        December 2, 2011 at 11:31 am |
      • Riley

        I am a Native American. There are not enough college admissions for those students who's parents followed all the requirements for LEGAL citienship or to be a LEGAL resident alien. No ILLEGAL ALIEN should ever be admitted to any tax payer supported school until ALL citzens or legal resident aliens have been placed. For once I can support Georgia. Hopefully their Regent Board will not be changing this any time soon.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:46 pm |
      • Texas Wild Man

        But he pays taxes and is LEGAL, Paulina Perez-Bejar-Jackson-Williams-Obama-Chihuahua!!!!! What part of ILLEGAL do you Illiterates not understand????????

        December 2, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
  68. Carmen Rabell

    In America only a native american Indian can call someone else an immigrant. Do you know that many Americans are looking for jobs in Latin America, in places such as Chile and Brazil? Perhaps the end of immigration in America will signal it's decline rather than prosperity.

    December 1, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • Kana

      Sorry to disagree. Since the U.S. is a sovereign nation those born here are LEGAL U.S. citizens, some may be the children of immigrants. People that come here form other countries are immigrants. To think other wise is illogical.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:19 am |
      • Jazzpianist

        The point is that these "students" were NOT born here. Anyone with a valid American birth certificate has a right to higher education in this country. We should NOT be concerned with those who don't.

        December 2, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  69. E

    So they have been denied to five schools in the state of Georgia. Why not apply to other? Maybe valdosta, Georgia southern, north Georgia. There is other options. Ones that actually earn degrees.

    December 1, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • Holly

      WHY YES....

      The policy, adopted last fall by the university system's Board of Regents, bars any state college or university that has rejected academically qualified applicants in the previous two years from admitting illegal immigrants. That includes five Georgia colleges and universities: the University of Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia State University, Medical College of Georgia and Georgia College & State University. Illegal immigrants may still be admitted to any other state college or university, provided that they pay out-of-state tuition.

      Hence the last sentence from this Huffington Post article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/25/freedom-university-georgi_n_936296.html

      December 1, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
    • Andrew

      So, let me get this straight: your solution for these students, who grew up and live in Georgia, who are academically qualified and desire a higher education, who were brought into the state through no choice of their own but because their parents sought a better life for them, who pay taxes but receive few benefits, who live in fear of arrest and deportation, is to create a two-tiered system of schools they are allowed to attend?

      Equality or no equality. Don't create a middle ground of 'just a little segregation.'

      "Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness." – Martin Luther King

      December 1, 2011 at 11:46 pm |
      • Holly

        First of all, the state of Georgia doesn't have a "first tier/second tier" higher education system. The schools that are barring illegal immigrants are just 5 schools of Georgia. Obviously you cannot compare a medical college like MCG to an undergraduate university like UGA, Ga State, etc. So that argument fails.

        Second of all, as a legal resident and graduate of a Georgia high school, I know plenty of students who are academically qualified and seeking a higher education and a better life for themselves at these "secondary tier" schools.

        All in all, if a student like Keish wanted to get a COLLEGE DEGREE, there are options!

        December 2, 2011 at 12:01 am |
      • E

        Holly, you make so much sense. I completely agree.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:46 am |
      • Jazzpianist

        What part of "illegal" don't you understand? Try this on for size: Their illegal parent(s) applies for and receives welfare. Every penny spent on them is an ill-gotten gain as is taxpayer-funded education received by them in this country.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • Chuck

      If their parents would come here illegally from as far away as S. Korea, Mexico, and many other countries, may I ask why they don't go to Florida, Tennessee, or South Carolina for their children to go to school? Seems as if they want a lot of pity for something they have done to themselves and their children. At no time does it sound as if they even tried to apply for legality or citizenship. If we had as many people going from our country to another country which was struggling with their finances, the hue and cry would rise to a volume that far exceeds what we hear about illegals here.

      December 1, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
      • Andrew

        It sounds like many of these students grew up in Georgia, where their parents have established lives for themselves, long before Georgia decided to (re-)enact segregationist policies. Also, if there was a path to citizenship, what possible reason would they have not to pursue it? They already pay taxes, receive fewer benefits, live in fear of arrest and deportation... if there was a path to citizenship, they would take it. This, by the way, is exactly why many people support the DREAM Act. I suggest you look into it.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:15 am |
      • Holly

        Chuck I agree.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:16 am |
      • Chuck

        Chuck I suggest YOU take a deep breath and realize 1) as sad as it may seem, NO ONE is promised college, in spite of their grades, origin of birth, or anything else. 2) NO ONE is assured they will get in to whatever college they chose, just because they want to go there. As I said elsewhere, there is a student in our family who is brilliant, makes A's and is innovative, yet he must apply and can only HOPE to go where he wants to go. He certainly has a backup plan if he doesn't get accepted, and HE is a CITIZEN on this country. 3) I know many kids who are going to schools in other states, and paying their own way at least partially, not because they are rich, but because they were accepted there. 4) I live in TX, and UT is almost impossible to get into, because the freshman class is made up of Valedictorians, and Salutatorians from every little (or big) school in TX. That's the rule; they are accepted; you can do very well, do all the right things, and still get turned down, "because there isn't room". Kids in TX still apply, hoping there may be a spot, but they have a backup plan, just as this student in the article should have done.

        Like I say, don't tell me you are willing to "do whatever it takes for your child to have a good education", so you leave a democratic country with opportunities that Korea has, but you won't send your child out-of-state to college. It even sounds ridiculous. Colleges aren't the way they were years ago; they don't promise admission to everyone, and she's no different than hundreds, if not, thousands of other young people

        I suggest YOU look into real life, because the only people who

        December 2, 2011 at 11:37 am |
      • Chuck

        Sorry, this discussion hits a bit close to home; I just wrote a response to Andrew, but addressed it to myself. I meant what i said and it's only a typo.

        December 2, 2011 at 11:39 am |
  70. Choy

    Underground university and underground church are both against the laws of the sovereign countries. What are the similarities and dissimilarities? It shouldn't happen in a leading democracy but is happening.

    December 1, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
  71. Ramon F. Herrera

    Illegal folks pay more taxes than you, folks. SS tax is deducted and they never see a penny. They pay state taxes and cannot go to school. Their taxes pay police protection that they do not get, for being scared to denounce anything. WE are cheating them. They are helping build America with more sacrifices than most people.

    December 1, 2011 at 10:57 pm |
    • Chuck

      You are full of it , and need to do some research before you speak. Children are allowed to go to public schools and no one is allowed to ask questions about whether they are legal or illegal, if their children are disabled they get SSI, and they can get any aid anyone else can get. Many go to college, but find it's difficult to get a job without citizenship or a green card. We aren't cheating them; I have a friend from Mexico, and she is sending money to Mexico at least 3x a month, then complaining that she has no money for her large family.

      It may take a little time to enter the country legally, but why don't we stop defending people for being illegal, and realize this is NOT helping our country. There are those who say illegals do the jobs we won't, but what I see is that they are taking the jobs our teenagers used to do–fast food restaurants, mowing lawns, working in many places doing the stocking, and now they have no jobs, so they end up spending whatever allowance they get on pot or Marlboros, because they have nothing much to do when homework is done, and they've finished volunteering. Sorry, but your welcome all day long, if you come in legally, but get real, nothing productive about coming in illegally, and I don't feel sorry for people who could have done it right and chose not to because it was more trouble than they wanted to go to.

      December 1, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
      • Paulina Perez-Bejar

        Chuck,

        Done it right? hahaha You don't have a clue how immigrations laws work. Those immigrants would never get accepted by "the right way"

        Thank God I am a resident so I know what is an immigration process; what you obviously don't have a clue.

        Quit buying stupiXBOX to your teenagers so they can stand up of the couches and apply for jobs.

        December 2, 2011 at 11:07 am |
  72. Matt

    This school is the true essence of both education and American values.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
  73. Freedom University Supporter

    Check out Freedom University's website at http://www.freedomuniversitygeorgia.org I did and I made a large donation on their donation link. This is a fabulous project.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    • Tim

      I made a donation too!

      December 1, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
    • Riley

      How large of a donation have you made to any college program for LEGAL low income college applicants?

      December 2, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • Jazzpianist

      Made any contributions to any needy American students lately?

      December 2, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  74. Adam

    This is a great, inspiring thing. I'm so proud of both the professors and the students for standing up to the racism of U.S. laws. It's more than promising to see people recognizing the anti-immigrant laws for what they are and doing something about it. Whether they are here "legally" or not is irrelevant. Everyone has a right to an education, wherever they might be. I'd love to get a chance to teach at this university.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • Andrew

      Amen. That's why I made a small donation: http://www.freedomuniversitygeorgia.com/donate–done.html

      December 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm |
    • Chuck

      I imagine some of you who see my posts would think I'm "racist", and will accuse me of it, but I actually have a multi-racial family, and that includes a daughter from S. Korea. We went through a lot for her to come here, and this girl's family could have done the same. When we adopted our daughter, it took every dime we had except for $25, and we gladly did so. There's no reason to disobey the regulations, because you don't like the schools, basically.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:12 am |
    • joseph

      A College education is not a "right", it is a privledge. A legal US citizen should come before an illegal immigrant.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:47 pm |
  75. Dontbow

    Fantastic they teach these illegals for free and charge the university students 14k a year. AS for you idiots who keep calling our forefathers migrants of course they were . The point is simple, we made laws to cut down on illegal immigration and with good reason. We cannot afford to pay for all the leeches and 20M from mainly mexico over the last couple decades is the real problem. Look at the population increase and who is leeching all of the social services and paying nothing.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
    • Carla

      Your ignorance is absolutely disgusting. They teach "these illegals" for free? Excuse me, but they aren't getting a DEGREE, because that was held against them. They are in these classes because they want to be, even if they aren't receiving a degree. They are in these classes by choice because they want to continue learning, and that is a BEAUTIFUL thing. I am a senior at The University of Georgia and I can do nothing but respect "these illegals". How can you speak so negatively about people who WANT to do better for themselves? People who have something to contribute to this country?

      December 1, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
      • Jazzpianist

        How? It's simple. They seek spaces, places and funds that rightfully are reserved for Americans, citizens, that is. That's why. It

        December 2, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      Ah! A hateful bagger (is that redundant?) just joined the forum...

      December 1, 2011 at 11:00 pm |
  76. Vence

    I am an Electronic Engineer located in California. I was a teacher long ago. If they have online classes I am willing to help these students.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
    • AE

      http://www.freedomuniversitygeorgia.com/contact-us–contaacutectenos.html

      December 1, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
    • Beatriz

      Thank you for offering those services! I also want to see how I can help.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
  77. Doug

    I would rather have any of these students as neighbors than most of the yahoo people I lived near when I was an Atlanta resident years ago.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
    • Andrew

      thank you! also, as a college instructor myself, i can tell these students are far more motivated and intellectually engaged then most of my 'legal' students. they would be a pleasure to have in class. it's a disgrace that georgia is banning them.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
    • rashid

      Amen brother, namsayin'?

      December 1, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
  78. chuckt

    People have been applying for citizenship the last 150+ years. Do it the right way and get in line. Feel sorry for them, but what about all the true american kids that struggle like these kids? Do we just tell them no? Bet you wouldn't see these professors going to their aid.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
    • Andrew

      you do realize that there's not exactly an Ellis Island at the Mexican border welcoming people, right? my ancestors who immigrated to the united states one hundred years ago didn't fill out any paperwork before leaving russia and england - they got on a boat and were lucky enough to be welcomed. i'm sure this is the case for many of you. don't be ignorant.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
      • JemimaPD

        Times change. Rules change. Laws change... But until the change is made in the laws, they need to be obeyed as they are. Or what point is there in having a law in the first place?

        December 1, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
      • Jazzpianist

        The only ignorant person here is the one you see in the mirror. Stop counting immigrant generations with such pride and be AMERICAN and for AMERICANS. Please do this today.

        December 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Jimbo

      Bet you are wrong!

      December 1, 2011 at 9:27 pm |
  79. Jamie

    I don't feel sorry for these individuals – hundreds of people come to the United States and become citizens, they are free to do the same. If they want the "American Dream" maybe they should start off by becoming Americans!

    December 1, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
    • Angela

      Agreed. What is causing the young lady not to go herself to become a legal citiizen? Is it because she would have to pay for college? Not meaning to sound hateful- I admire the students for furthering their education- but do it the legal way.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
      • Aww

        There is NOOO road to citizenship once a parent brings you here legally and over stay their visas. She CANT get citizenship status under ANY circustance, hence the point of the DREAM act.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
      • R. Kelly

        It's true. If she left the U.S. now to try and apply for a visa, she would have a 10 year bar from returning. She is stuck in or out

        December 2, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • Solmaira Flores

      It isn't as simple as you think. You can't just apply for citizenship and miraculously receive it. You have to be a permanent resident first, live here for some years and then you can become a citizen. And it is very difficult to become a permanent resident. So please, next time you post something make sure that what you are saying is correct, so you won't make a fool of yourself like you just did. In other words, think before you speak. Thanks!

      December 1, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
      • JemimaPD

        Solmaira Flores,

        Neither of the posters above said that it was simple They just said to follow the law, for most of us that is a normal, ethical behavior.

        Getting citizenship is not a requirement to live legally in the USA, nor most other countries. Getting citizenship anywhere is not easy for a reason, if it were easy who knows who would be entering different countries. The argument that it is hard is really not valid; a lot of things are hard.

        Over the last five years the USA awarded citizenship to millions of people. The average amount of time it takes to become naturalized is 6 years, not an eternity. (This is a fairly normal number around the world.) The country we award the most naturalizatoin papers to is Mexico, with China, India and the Philippines rounding out the top four. We naturalize more people than any other country in the world. Nearly 14% of the population is foriegn born (in Mexico only 0.7% is foreign born and they naturalized a high of approximately 1500 people last year).

        Awww-That it is impossible is also invalid, it might take more time but it is not impossible (unless you are a known international criminal, then perhaps "never".)

        December 1, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
  80. bob

    boo hoo?

    not fair to the legal immigrants to have illegals breaking the laws of the country they tried so hard to legally get in to. as for the natural American citizens, they are generally too stupid for college any way.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
  81. angela

    I wish we would end both the wars already!! With the $ we'd save, we could easily make higher education a priority for everyone in America, legal or not. Bottom line: Education is a public good. We all benefit from having an educated society. I understand that state schools are designed to give preference for state citizens and that we are living in scare times. All the more reason to make sure that every tax dollar goes to worthy ends like education. I feel blessed to have been able to attend the schools of my dreams. No one can take my education for me!

    December 1, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
  82. d

    next time write about a family who chose to live here illegally instead of being raped and killed. not a middle class bunch of winers

    December 1, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
  83. MacDav

    It is a funny illegal aliens questioning why they can not get into a college.The answer they are in this country illegally and are therefor criminals and should be arrested along with their so called professors.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Heather

      Shame on you. Bashing people who are trying to better themselves.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
      • Jimbo

        Leave him alone, Heather. He's "macdav" in the middle of a bowl of stupid.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
    • Andrew

      wow, macdav, that is pretty damn fascist.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
    • Vence

      Education for anyone is beneficial for everybody, and you my friend, need a little more of that to understand it!

      December 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
  84. d

    This was a middle class family choosing to leave a democracy in order to live illegal underground lives. When we deport them, please make sure they pay for the tickets.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
  85. A.

    would that legal students would have such a desire to learn
    nothing in it for the teachers, nothing in it for the students, and yet- they want to learn.
    that is what education should be

    December 1, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
    • Chuck

      I have news for you, I have a student about to graduate, and he would LOVE to have people showing the same enthusiasm about him getting to go to the school he wants to go to, and he is very intelligent, hard-working, and wants to actually be a scientist. There is little money to send him to school, and yet, he has much to contribute and he IS a citizen. Why should I care more about someone who sneaked into this country specifically to take into this country and everyone is wringing their hands and donating money. Where is that help for our own children? I know people living in apartments here and claiming they are broke, yet they have farms or ranches in Mexico, with nice fat cattle and yes, I've seen the pictures and seen their children with I-pads, DS's, and yet, it's them we feel so sorry for them.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:21 am |
      • Beatriz

        And you feel sorry for him? I do not feel sorry for him. Any CITIZEN of the U.S. can get some if not all of their college expense paid if they work hard for it! Citizens have access to grants, scholarships, etc. Now, you will say that illegals have access to that too. Well guess what? Work your butt off so you can compete against them too. Life is not always fair for either sides. Don't complain. Just work hard! Get the grades, apply for all the grants and scholarships until your hands are tired, get a job(s) becase you are legal, and go to school. And you did it because you were the best, on top of legal and illegal students!

        December 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
  86. Fred Evil

    "They have nowhere else to go"
    Of course they do, it's called their HOME.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
    • d

      exactly

      December 1, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • Charlee

      That's exactly what I was thinking as I read this story.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • Logan

      Fred–many of these children came to the US at very young ages. They have no recollection of their country of origin. Many don't even speak the language of their country of origin.

      For these students, America is home. And that is where they should stay.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
      • Fred Evil

        "Many don't even speak the language of their country of origin."
        Isn't it awful what their PARENTS did to them? Not our fault, not theirs, their PARENTS.
        You don't get a free ride past the immigration process because your parent was a criminal.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • MS

      She left when she was 10 and her parents paid taxes. This is her home.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
  87. lud

    Sarah, why are you so worried about some foreigner taking your job or your place in school? Are you not able to compete for a job or for a spot in school like everyone else?
    I this country we are in great need to professionals such as engineers, IT professionals, healthcare professionals etc. Why prevent these people from filling these jobs that we need to fill? These are exactly the kind of people we need to allow legally or legalize in this country. This is exactly the kind of people America was built on.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
    • Heather

      *Applauds* Well said Lud.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
    • Italian/American

      They don't have social security numbers so they cannot be gainfully employed in the United States. So actually we won't have to compete with them for jobs unless they become legal. So why not go ahead and try. They can get all the education they want here but if they can't get a job here then their "dream" will never come to fruition. Doesn't make sense to get educated if you can't really do anything with it.

      December 1, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
  88. PJ

    They should all be rounded up and deported as criminals. Illegals are illegal. No Dream Act in this century. They and their families should be returned to their home countries to apply for legal entry to the US.

    December 1, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
    • virgoptrex

      your forefathers were illegal. get out of US.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
      • boskoo

        Virgoptrex, you are a peabrain, how would YOU know anything? Get lost, loser.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
      • virgoptrex

        @boskoo, I hold an advance degree in computer engineering from tier I US university you moron. Pea brain?

        December 1, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
      • Charlee

        You happen to notice this and all the other great countries on earth were developed by people that resemble "our" forefathers? And, almost all of the countries where people that are run by and lived in by people who don't resemble "our" forefathers are still filthy poor examples of humanity.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
    • Logan

      PJ–they can't just go home and apply the legal way. Once someone has been in the US for more than 1 year illegally, our immigration laws mandate a 10-year bar from reentry. If they go to their country of origin and try to enter the legal way, they will have to wait 10 years. These children should not be held responsible for their parents' actions. They should be given an opportunity to learn and grow in this country.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
      • JemimaPD

        Consequences. Cause and effect. Every action has a reaction.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
      • Josh

        Every action has a reaction? This logic is very flawed when applied to this. Should every American be kicked out of the US because we stole this land from the Native Americans? Using your logic that is our consequence.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:51 pm |
      • JemimaPD

        Josh,
        Times change. Rules change. Laws change... But until the change is made in the laws, they need to be obeyed as they are. Or what point is there in having a law in the first place? Comparing the arrival of the colonists with present day immigration is comparing apples and oranges.

        Of course you cannot apply present day rules to the past. Context is important.

        Because there was amnesty in the 1980s, many immigrants thought "gosh, if those who did this previously got in, then I will too. Since the government did not change the immigration policy, more illegal aliens kept entering our borders. Now we are seeing a reaction to the record numbers of illegal aliens within our borders. (Each time a president has mentioned immigration reform there was a spike in the number of people trying to cross the border.)

        I see the same thing here in Mexico. The government gives amnesty to the illegal taxis in Mexico City. This is supposed to protect the users since all taxis will now have to follow the rules. Within one year, once again there are many illegal taxis on the roads because there is not a plan to keep them from doing what they want. The same exact thing happens with the blackmarket sellers on the streets. They grow as a group, band together, require the gov't to find them a permanent place of busines and within months the streets have informal vendors in them again.

        December 1, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
      • Josh

        JemimaPD
        I want to first say that apples and oranges are both fruits, and the colonists and these so called aliens are both immigrants. What if the laws are not moral though, should we still follow it then? Also you seem to be comparing amnest for cars and amnesty for human beings. there is a major difference between the two, that i dont believe needs to be pointed out. Im not entirely sure how the black market vendors relates to amnesty. Put yourself in their situation, you have an opportunity to better your life, and all you have to do is cross an imaginary line that represents america, what would you do?

        December 1, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
    • Heather

      PJ- Take a moment, if you will, take a step back and think about why they come here in the first place. Widespread poverty, crime (cartels), political corruption, no prospects of a decent education in Mexico. What would you do if it was you on the other side of the fence? If you wanted to give you and your family; be it your mom, dad, brothers, sisters, or wife and kids a better opportunity. Wouldn't you cross the border illegally? If only it was to better yourself and the ones you loved?

      Forget about the law for just a moment and let me ask you this: is it morally wrong for a person/people to try and better themselves and the livelihood of their family?

      December 1, 2011 at 9:35 pm |
      • JemimaPD

        It is morally wrong when there are other people, in Mexico and in the rest of the world who want to go to the USA and try to do it legally and are following the rules just to have someone, not even jump in line in front of them,but jump "straight to the dinner table". Why should the Mexicans get a special break just because they live next door?

        In this case the story revolves a young lady whose parents lived a decent middle class life in Korea and admit that they came here for education, not because they were being persecuted by the government or because the country was dangerous, nor any of the other typical excuses given.

        Personally I think the people who live in Afghanistan, South Sudan, Somalia, and Laos have it a LOT worse off than the Mexicans. Mexico has so many resources that many of these other countries do not. Including having the US next door (which, in the end, can be a bad thing too.)

        I am a US citizen who lives in Mexico and have for over two decades so please do not try to tell me about how good/bad it is here.

        December 1, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
    • Carmen Rabell
      December 1, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
  89. Mike

    I gures it's not a secret anymore

    December 1, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
    • Mike

      I guess its not a secret anymore

      December 1, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
  90. Josh Ya

    The real shame here is the Liberal Democrats created this problem. Just like the created the inner city welfare problems. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. You all know it's true.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • Josh

      Can you explain how liberal democrats createed this so called problem

      December 1, 2011 at 9:14 pm |
    • Fred Evil

      Yep, that liberal bastage Reagan, who gave them AMNESTY.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
    • Chuck

      Why don't you stick to the subject, please. instead of starting the BS political baloney?!

      December 2, 2011 at 12:58 am |
  91. USA

    Although, immigrants might contribute to the well being to the United States in some aspects, there are many individuals who might do just the opposite. I have no problem with immigration and there are many people who come to the US as legal immigrants. I would not make sense to even apply if everyone would be allowed in this easily. The whole application process takes a long time and people wait just to get their permanent resident cards. Why would and should the United States allow people to come illegally? Also, if one wants to succeed, they could and should be able to do it from any country. In fact after understanding the consequences of illegal immigration, I still don't understand why different families would sacrifice and waste so much valuable time.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
  92. 7734-c

    .
    LIBERAL professors I am sure!

    .

    December 1, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • Josh

      Does it really matter what their political ideologies are? I dont think so, what matters is that they are teaching people who yearn for knowledge but have no place to gain it.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
    • Fred Evil

      What other kind of professors are there?

      December 1, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
      • Josh

        Does it rally matter what party a professor represents? But just to satisfy you there are many professors who are also republican, but it makes no difference. You learn just the same from a democrat, a republican, and in fact some of the best professors make sure that their students don't know which political parties they identify with.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
  93. Terry Moore

    Georgia..... what else needs to be said...

    December 1, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • B

      What the heck is that supposed to mean?

      December 1, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
  94. Mark

    Didn't see one of them say anything along the lines of "I wish I had worked towards my citizenship so I could get a legitimate scholarship"

    December 1, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • Logan

      Mark–they can't work towards their citizenship. Once someone has been in the US for more than 1 year illegally, our immigration laws mandate a 10-year bar from reentry. If they go to their country of origin and try to enter the legal way, they will have to wait 10 years.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
      • Marianne

        That's only if they get caught. It's amazing how they know how to sneak across the border illegally, but don't know how to return. They can just go back to their own countries voluntarily any time they want. People who come here illegally disrespect the law. Our country is becoming progressively lawless progressively corrupt. This is fast becoming a third world country. People who disrespect law want amnesty. How will that serve our country? They do, in fact, have universities across the borders too and their speaking English will give them good positions there. If this is unfair, then they have their parents to thank. They should spread the message in their countries to make sure their friends have papers when the cross the border. I know what this is all about; it is all about getting rid of borders and making one gigantic communist country in this world. Trust me, when that happens, there will be no fences to dig under or jump over. You will be stuck. And your supposed representatives, if you could even reach them, they won't even speak your language. God forbid! Open your eyes, this country had small problems when states were in charge. Now that the Feds are taking more and more power from the states, we are developing greater problems. And they want you to think that these problems will be solved by making the government world-wide. Ask the people in Europe just how much getting rid of the borders have helped them financially. The rich, of course, ARE getting richer. But the middle class is disappearing just like here.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
      • Josh

        Marianne I think you should visit a third world country before you make a comment like this. Another point is that no one here is asking for communism, that has been proven to not work. Also there is no way to succeed in America without speaking english. Statistically 93% of second-generation latin immigrants speak english as there dominant language. that is not to say the other 7% dont speak english, that just says that they speak primarily speak spanish.

        December 1, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
  95. virgoptrex

    For those who are crying foul to deport these students (calling them illegals) should note that 1. These students/ their parents suffered in their country by the hands of thug politicians and goons. They want to study to become core professionals not gangsters. 2. Most of them pay taxes and are far better than robbers/gangsters who are american citizens. American citizens who are proven gangsters, rapists and robbers should be deported not these people. 3. Barring American tribes, all other Americans have migrant forefathers – they are technically illegal too – the term 'illegal' was not coined then (People living in glass houses should not throw stones at others). 4. The long process and wait the American government has laid for processing green cards is ridiculously hopeless, discouraging to deserving individuals and not at all pragmatic. Loosing the talent of these individuals is a loss to America.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • Justicia

      +1

      December 1, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
    • Andrew

      And yet they are in the country illegally and therefor illegals.

      December 2, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
    • Luke

      First, you can say the american gov't is better that any other gov't but your an ignorant fool. Our gov't is a bunch of weasels that are not even elected as "we the people" think we do, just like the "thug Politicians" or "goons" as you call it get elected. 2nd there are so many people in AMERICA that want to become core professionals rather than gangsters but have no choice. why cant we give the legal citizens the right of an education before the people that are illegal and/or dont belong. the reason being that the process of getting your green card is "way to long" is that we already have too many people in that are populated in America as well as the World we live in. (which will dramatically change soon) open your eyes

      December 2, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • Laurie

      Come on virgo. Quit defending the indefensible. They are illegal; they should be using their time and energy trying to become naturalized citizens instead of demanding even more rights from the US. They should be getting an education on how to become a US citizen, otherwise they should be deported.

      December 4, 2011 at 10:22 pm |
  96. Sarah

    I think it's great that these students are trying to better themselves through education. However, if they spent some of this time filling out the proper paper work, they would be able to study here legally. Their parents were too lazy to learn english and file for citizenship, and so are they. I came to this country as a teenager, legally, and learned english and became a citizen. Why should I lose my opportunity to go to the school of my choice because an illegal took my 'space'?

    December 1, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • virgoptrex

      It is not easy to file for citizenship. Read my other posts regarding long wait for green card and only selected individuals and employers can choose to endorse. Unable to change job for better pay quickly. Mostly you are treated like secondary citizen (equivalent to servant) by the government if not general people. People forgetting their forefathers being migrant to this country and still taunting others as 'illegals'.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
      • wvara

        virgo: Are you suggesting the US have open borders? Is that your solution?

        December 1, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
      • virgoptrex

        @wvara: Yes we should open our borders to deserving individuals and show doors to proven goon/thugs/rapists/gangsters american citizens.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
      • Chuck

        Our borders are already open to those who are in real need; it is idiotic to not investigate and make certain they are telling the truth. We've had enough of our borders being so open people come in who shouldn't be here.

        As far as getting citizenship, I know Mexicans who are seeking citizenship, and they don't seem incapable of either affording it or managing the paperwork. I've known people who went through the process and it may not have been easy, but it's certainly doable. It's like excusing a child for having a huge temper fit, and saying we'll just give them what they want without thinking about the future and what that really means for anyone.

        December 2, 2011 at 12:54 am |
      • Bubba

        "Is that your solution?" What? You actually think there is a SOLUTION? Complicated things don't have solutions, dear. You'll find that out as you grow.

        December 2, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
      • WDinDallas

        vigo--invited versus illegal. Our forefathers were invited.

        December 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
      • Andrew

        If their forefathers were indeed migrants they entered legally, and by legally I mean they followed the law at the time to enter into a nation that is being or is established in order to become a citizen. Now if you are saying that we don't own the land since we "stole" it form the Native American people and therefor we are all illegals you are just being stupid because that would be to say that everyone who is White Anglo-Saxon, African American, or whatnot whom is here should have to leave and the Native American nations that are still around should be in charge.

        December 2, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
    • Heather

      How long ago was that? It isn't as easy as it used to be two decades ago. Getting your citizenship is a long and tedious process. It isn't free. Depending on your situation, you could pay hundreds of dollars alone for certain applications. And that's just the application; citizenship isn't even guaranteed. It could take up to 10-20 years to become fully integrated into society.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
      • Tim

        You obviously have no idea how the process works, but I will say that it takes money, time and perseverance. It is one of the most important decisions in a persons life, do you think it should be like buying a cheeseburger?

        December 2, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • Tim

      It is easier for them to complain. My wife managed to get a green card and will soon have her citizenship. We can not choose which laws we want to follow based on sympathy for little immigrant johnny. Perhaps the parents should have entered legally and if they didn't, their children are going to pay for it.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
      • Tara

        THANKYOU TIM

        December 2, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
    • Tara

      THANKYOU SARA

      December 2, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      "However, if they spent some of this time filling out the proper paper work, they would be able to study here legally."

      Sarah: People leave everything behind, risk their lives crossing the border, and as soon as the make it, they become too lazy to fill paperwork. BOY! This is a terrible country! There must be a couch-potato virus around!! Tell the Mexicans to stay away!! (I wonder whether your idiocy is contagious...)

      December 3, 2011 at 2:44 am |
  97. A

    I'm a little confused. Maybe I missed something. The article says that someone qualified, and who's here legally, would have to be turned away in order to allow in someone who's here illegally. Does that seem just to you? I can understand the complaints if there were an unlimited number of spaces and they were refusing to let illegal immigrants in. But it's not that. It's that there are a limited number of spaces, and the state has an obligation to its citizens to give them what spaces are available. If these kids became citizens of the country and the state, they'd have the privileges that pertain to that.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
  98. Josh

    This is a terrific article, and the professors involved should be commended. It is shameful that this school has to be held in secrecy as if something they were doing is wrong. The American immigration system is very flawed. In some cases it can take over 20 years to come to America through th proper channels. For over 20 years they have to wait, and for all we know the country that they live in may be very dangerous, and those people may live in fear everyday. this may be fear of injury, being raped or even death. I have to ask, if you were in a situation like this, wouldnt you do everything in your power to come to America, even if it was illegal. In America we are lucky to live in a society where people do not have to constantly worrry about this, and we should accept more people who do not have this basic human right.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • A

      Seoul is... not really like that, dude.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
      • Josh

        I was not referencing Seoul. I was actually referencing the Philippines, where the average wait time is 20 years to get into America legally. In cases like how it is in the Philippines where the may be some dangerous areas, the best thing to do is come to America even though it is illegal.

        December 1, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
    • me

      Blame Mexico for screwing up the immigration system.
      I had a pal who had to wait 11 years for his mom to get over here from Vietnam.
      Yet illegals pour across the border relentlessly. You may say they have a right here.
      They did before social systems existed. Now that it comes out of all our pockets who live here to support immigrants the rate of influx HAS to be limited. And if you don't particularly like that – I suggest you take half your wage and give it to those who disagree with you... because we are all getting 7-11% of our federal tax income sucked up by expenses from illegals. Sorry I have no sympathy. I don't mind our citizens getting benefits – they belong here. But when I see 40 hispanics and 2 whites in the SS office and 12 hispanics with 2-3 kids each and im the only white in a dentist office – and im probably the only one paying cash while the others are on AHCCCS draining the state.... there is obviously a problem. I'm down in southern AZ and in a single Sunday night driving 12 miles I saw two batches of 30-40 hispanics and another about 25 that were all being detained by the border patrol. I called 911 on the last batch because I just couldnt believe it. Just one of those batches represents a 1-2 million dollar minimum taxpayer liability. You may say that's justified because that's america... but when the governments finances come unraveled are you going to be there to try to figure out how to keep things running? Or are you going to complain about why things aren't working....Illegal Immigration is one of the reasons.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        [a bagger wrote:]
        "because we are all getting 7-11% of our federal tax income sucked up by expenses from illegals."

        Cite? URL? Reference? Lie?

        December 1, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
      • Brahms

        Yes, I'd like to hear what their solution is as well. At what point DO we stop illegal immigration and the tax dollar outflows that go along with it. My guess is they haven't quite looked into that angle yet' but soon, soon, just after all of this UNFAIRNESS is taken care of. Then onto the next victim-hood battle.

        December 3, 2011 at 7:48 am |
  99. Josh

    It just dawn on me why people call you all bleeding heart Liberals.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • Rusty

      I'm always amused by conservatives who say "Oh, bleeding heart liberals", as if it's a bad thing, when in fact the Bleeding Heart was a symbol of Jesus' sacrifice – all the old icons show the blood dripping from his heart, because it was to show he was willing to give up everything for his sins. And yet we have conservatives throwing that around like it's some sort of insult "OMG he compared me to Jesus!! Take that back you swine!!!!". Have fun kneejerking, kid. Love, an Atheist.

      December 1, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
  100. Kati

    Good for these people! Imagine – a college where students want to learn and teachers want to teach. People who pose themselves as "real" Americans or "real" Christians could learn a lot of from this small group of determined people.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
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