December 1st, 2011
01:09 PM ET

Freedom University: studying in secret

By Thelma Gutierrez and Traci Tamura, CNN

Editor’s Update: In the hours since we first reported this story, there have been significant developments. The University Council at the University of Georgia voted to pass a resolution which opposes the Board of Regents policy passed last fall. The policy forbids undocumented students from attending five of its top public universities. It’s a symbolic win for supporters of academically qualified undocumented students who are banned from attending UGA, Georgia Tech, Georgia State University and Georgia Health Sciences University and Georgia College and State University, schools that the Board of Regents say had admitted undocumented students in the last two years. Regents spokesman John Millsaps told CNN while the regents have no plan to revisit the issue, they are not preventing undocumented students from getting an education. Millsaps says there are 30 other public institutions in the University System of Georgia that they can attend. He said the regents passed the policy amid growing public concern that undocumented students were taking limited seats away from qualified citizens and legal immigrants. He emphasized the regents have no plans to change the policy.

Every Sunday, in an unmarked building, in an undisclosed location in the college town of Athens, Georgia, a group of students quietly gather in secret. They are aspiring professors, diplomats and engineers who have been banned from Georgia's top five public universities.

But here, in this donated space, it is safe to study.

Undocumented students attending class at Freedom University

Undocumented students attending class at Freedom University

This place is called Freedom University. It has one classroom and four professors, scholars who've taught at the likes of Amherst, Harvard, Emory and Yale, who are teaching here, on their days off, without pay.

Their students are undocumented. They have nowhere else to go and no one else to teach them.

The American Dream

Keish grew up in South Korea. She remembers the harsh education regimen in her home town of Seoul. Classes Monday through Saturday. After-class academic programs every day. Keish and her fellow students in Seoul were basically at school from 8 in the morning until 8 at night every day except Sunday.

It sounds like a much more ambitious education system than in the United States. So how is it that Keish's parents, who lived an upper-middle-class life in Seoul, her father earning enough money as a salesman to enable her mother to stay at home – how is it that such a couple would move to America with one thing in mind: their children's education?

"My parents wanted me to have the freedom to learn what I wanted to learn and to pursue my interests. To do whatever I want in any field. In South Korea, students are expected to go through their academics, graduate from college, and enter office life where it's safe," says Keish. "My parents wanted me to have more opportunity, they wanted me to have the American Dream," she says.

And so, when she was 10, with no English except the words "mom, dad, and maybe tiger," Keish and her family moved to America. A low-income apartment complex is where they settled down in an immigrant community outside Atlanta.

Freedom University student Keish and her parents in South Korea.

Freedom University student Keish and her parents in South Korea.

Her mother became a seamstress. Her father works at a flea market. They got tax I.D. numbers, which the government routinely gives to immigrants, and paid their taxes. CNN was shown the documentation for that.

They pushed their daughter to excel at school. Keish says it only took her about two years to become fluent in English. As for her undocumented status, she says her schools never found out. She lived with the secret.

Keish excelled in many aspects of school. She was not a straight-A student. B-plus was her average, she says. Her favorite subject was literature. She became captain of her high school debate team.

And she kept her secret. She was nominated to participate in the Governor's Honors Program, but without a Social Security number, fear prevented her from pursuing it.

She was chosen to participate in a model United Nations trip to New York. Again, fear of being caught kept her from flying. "Many, many missed opportunities," she says. "I was scared.

The ban

Keish graduated from high school two years ago. The timing was bad. The U.S. economy was already in a terrible state. Then the State of Georgia Board of Regents would soon alter its admissions policy to prevent the admission of any undocumented student as long as there is a single academically qualified American applicant or legal immigrant who has been turned away.

The policy, in effect, prevents the admission of any undocumented students from being admitted to the top five public colleges in the state. A spokesman for the Board of Regents told CNN the policy change was not about money. Undocumented students actually pay three times more than what Georgia residents pay. The regents said it's an equity issue. Some argue that in these tough times, every available spot should be reserved for people who are in the United States legally.

The news was a blow to Keish. Her eyes welled up with tears as she remembered the moment she realized her American Dream was fading away.

"I fell into a deep depression. I hated myself," she says, "because I looked back on grades and scores and thought every night and every day that I could have tried harder. Maybe I should have gotten a 4.0 and then I could have gotten into a prestigious Ivy League school. I was ashamed I didn't try harder. I shut myself away from the world for a long time."

But she did not quit.

The birth of a school

The moment the Regents passed the ban, a small army of students, scholars and community activists jumped into action. Lorgia Garcia-Pena, Professor of Spanish and Latino Ethnic Studies at the University of Georgia, was among the first.

She says they started with only an idea, "but no money, no building or supplies, we had nothing but our human resources and we had ganas." (Ganas means desire in Spanish). As word spread, "overnight the books poured in and people in the community said you can have your classes here," says Professor Pamela Voekel, a colleague of Garcia-Pena's.

Professor Pamela Voekel hands out text books to Freedom University students

Professor Pamela Voekel hands out text books to Freedom University students

Then they came up with the name, Freedom University, in honor of the Freedom Schools in the Deep South that were developed during the civil rights movement to educate people who were excluded from the education system because of segregation.

"We borrowed the reference with respect and as homage to the people who had the same courage as our students," says Bethany Moreton, a history professor.

Linda Lloyd, director of the Economic Justice Coalition in Athens, supports the new school. Her perspective is shaped by her memories growing up in the segregated South where she was one of six black students in an otherwise all-white elementary school. The black students often didn't have textbooks. She says she remembers the sting of discrimination – and feeling that quality education was only for a certain few.

While others say this restriction on illegal immigrants is a matter of equity and fairness for U.S. citizens, Lloyd sees it as "a civil rights issue because it reminds me of the same issues that African-Americans were struggling with in the '50s and '60s." Lloyd noted there was once a time when black people were not considered U.S. citizens.

As word spread about Freedom University, the founders began receiving calls from university students and others in the community who offered to drive the undocumented students from Atlanta to Athens, an hour and a half away. Others organized an online book drive. Then, offers started coming in from scholars around the world volunteering to lecture at Freedom University.

The school is only a month old. It has 33 students. Eight had to be turned away because of space.

Running a school for undocumented presents certain challenges. The students worry about law enforcement, about being found out, arrested and deported. They worry about harassment by anti-immigrant activists should they discover the location of the school. The professors say they do all they can to protect the students and alleviate their fears.

Professor Betina Kaplan says she has learned about perseverance and the hunger to learn. "Our students will not get school credit for the courses, and because they're undocumented and because of their immigration status, they will not be able to work legally afterward, but they continue to come."

"It's wonderful," says Keish, "they are there because they want to learn."

Keish, an undocumented student, participates in a History class at Freedom University

Keish, an undocumented student, participates in a History class at Freedom University

This Sunday, Keish and her fellow students will gather again, as they do every Sunday, as they wait for what they hope will be a change of policy from the Georgia Board of Regents. Today, a group of professors and members of the student government from the University of Georgia will ask the University's Council to go on record opposing the Regents' policy. The Council will decide whether to push for a change that once again allows undocumented students, who have the grades and the scores, to apply to the state's leading colleges.

Keish is not waiting. She is applying to colleges out of state. On her applications, she says, she is identifying herself as undocumented. She will not keep her secret any longer.

"This is my home," she says of America. "This is the land that nurtures my dreams, that shapes who I am right now."

CNN's Michael Schulder contributed to this report.

soundoff (1,473 Responses)
  1. palintwit

    Old, abandoned airplane hangars can be used to temporarily house illegal Mexicans while they are waiting to be processed for deportation. They can then be sent back to Mexico in buses and box cars.

    December 5, 2011 at 9:41 am |
  2. Franco

    I have read most of your comments but something big is missing here... Every country has LAWS, and if you want to live in that country then you need to observe the LAW, plain and simple.
    When somebody decides to come illegally to the US, then you have no rights, you left them behind the border line, you crossed the line and you need to face the consequences. Asking for a chance is good, but ONLY when you do the right thing, NO EXEMPTIONS. In America we go by LAWS and you have to respect them at all times.
    Funny thing is Mexico deports illegal people from other countries trying to make it to the US... but Mexicans can cross the US border illegally, uh? I am sick and tired to see Illegals living the system, taking advantage of our LAWS to find a back door to legalize their crimes. enough is enough.
    The next President of the US, is gonna change this mess, every illegal will be sent back to Mexico, so they can sort them and finish the job with those from other countries and spend Mexico's money on these tasks.

    December 5, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • dnfromge

      Thank you for pointing that out – it seems that one peice of information is always left out of the conversations/debates. There is a LEGAL way to enter the US and gain citizenship and there is an ILLEGAL way. Entering illegally is against the law – heavy consequences should be administered. I do think the legal process should be easier, and temporary work visas should also be easier to get, but the process and laws MUST be followed. Not to mention, it is not fair to legal immigrants to this country, people who followed the process, that illegals be given any rights or special assistance. It's very simple, either you are a LEGAL immigrant (welcome!) or you are an ILLEGAL immigrant (go back and do it right). If you have children who were born here and are minor, take them back with you and start the LEGAL process of immigration. Period.

      December 5, 2011 at 10:21 am |
    • PROUD AMERICAN

      If only we had a time machine we could send all of you "sick and tired" people back in time. You guys could solve all our country's problems: Kill off all the Native Americans, convice President James Polk to take all the land from the Mexicans (in case you didn't know it, we stole half their country, that's why there's places in America called California and New Mexico),make sure the Confederate South won the the Civil War, stomp on Martin Luther King, Jr. and Cesar Chavez before they fought for our Civil Rights. Hey, you "sick and tired, enough is enough" people could make sure our country became the biggest bully ever, you could start wars and conquer the entire planet, eliminate everybody who is not like you, and have a wonderful little fascist utopia for you and your fellow "sick and tired" clones to live your brave, little, selfish dream. You "sick and tired, enough is enough, deport the whole world out of this world because it's our world" people need to pick up a Bible or take anger management and get some compassion and ethics and love in your hearts because you're goint to give yourselves cancer. Me and the church ladies at my church are goint to start praying for you. If Jesus died for our sins, He can cure you of your bigotry.

      December 6, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
      • nimbex

        Cancer?...Really, that's how we get it these days? Ignorance will not help you try to make any point!

        December 7, 2011 at 3:26 am |
    • PROUD AMERICAN

      Interesting how you only went for the "cancer" comment, Dr. Nimbex. What you fail to acknowledge is that you, like any other human being who is not completely blinded by bigotry and has enough reasoning power to see both sides of an issue, you, yes you, you must acknowledge that hating on other human beings just because they broke a law and crossed a border set by us, white Americans, conquerors of half of Mexico and deliverers of the atomic bomb, is un-American. Hating the Mexican people, hating the Korean girl crying because she can not go to college, is un-American, it is not Christian. You can dissect my comments all you want. You can pick on figures of speech I use and call my jab about how hate will eventually give you cancer ignorant; but deep inside you know that the real point I'm trying to make and which you must acknowledge is that your hate will only hurt you, and if enough "you's" continue to hate, then our great country will not continue to grow, it will fail to take advantage of the invigorating power that all these new people bring to our nation. Do I like it when an African American is trigger happy to pull the race card when he/doesn't get his way? No. But I certainly do stop and reflect upon it and try to understand how he/she is right and/or wrong. Why? Because it is simply the right thing to do. We must be sensitive. We must accept that we, white Americans, have wronged others (Slavery? the Mexican War? the atomic bomb?). I don't think we have to disband our army or give back California, Texas, and the entire South West, but we have to be fair and stop our hipocritical and convenient complaining about illegal immigration. And my advice to you, brother or sister, is to stop hating, because hate might not give you cancer, but it won't give you happiness or make you a better person either. Help thy neighbor, teach every kid, stop harrassing immigrants and let them live in peace.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:59 am |
  3. JP

    I am so sick of CNN's proillegal bias. Why don't we see any stories about the cost of the k-12 education stolen from tax payers pockets. My daughters school has illegals in it and one of her classes has 38 students my kid gets less so the illegal can get a share of my tax dollars.

    December 5, 2011 at 9:14 am |
  4. Great americans secretly hating mexicans

    If you are not a mail order bride, not a high tech professional, not a millioner and not a refugee – there is no line for you to go back to in order to immigrate legally. The only reason that there are so many illegals is that there is no law for most of the people to apply legally. You can not stop a person to try live the way he wants to live even if all the laws in the world forbid it.

    December 5, 2011 at 8:40 am |
    • s.ahm

      Not true. I have plenty of family members from South Asia with non-professional degrees who LEGALLY applied and were able to come to this country and start lives for themselves. Yes, it takes several years, but they do it the right way and their children get to grow up to not only live the American dream but do it with a sense of integrity. Parents think they are doing their children a great service by illegally staying in the U.S. but what are you teaching your children? To hide who they are? Lie to the state? I'll take an honest upper-middle class life in a third world country than an "undocumented" life in this any day.

      December 5, 2011 at 9:46 am |
      • PROUD AMERICAN

        You miss the whole point. The people who come to this country illegally are not those who have a chance at being "upper middle class." They are "the poor, uneducated masses," ( remember that phrase, it's on the Statue of Liberty). Why did the first immigrants come to America? To look for religious and financial freedom. Why the Jefferson and the Founding Fathers go to war with Britain? To give Americans the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So...has American run out of dreams and opportunities to pursue one's happiness? Give these people visas and job permits. Stop using human suffering as political currency. Uphold the values our country has built upon. Some day soon the children of these immigrants you punish, spit on, and deport will be the majority. What will you the hatemongers do then? Take up arms and use your hate speech, intolerance, and ignorance to turn this great country into another Yugoslavia? What are you going to do? Form a millitia and start killing everyone who is not white or who speaks with an accent you don't recognize as "native"? What ever happened to love thy neighbor? What happened to the vision of America as a great mosaic of all the colors and cultures that make humanity great? Many of you come across as weak, scared, hateful, and ignorant. Leave the immigrant and his children live in peace and focus your energy in making our country a haven, not a place for bigotry and ignorance.

        December 6, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
  5. what

    Why are these people not deported?

    December 5, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Great americans secretly hating mexicans

      Are you from some fcked up country who hate people? It is America, free country – go back to your motherland .

      December 5, 2011 at 8:51 am |
      • Tonelok

        @Great americans secretly hating mexicans
        Free country to those who are citizens. Someone living in a country illegally has no rights.
        .
        What needs to happen is all those living here illigally are given a chance to to register and become citizens without reprisal or fear or deportation(except for felons, etc). Once that grace period has passed, anyone found to be here illegally will be deported, no questions asked.
        .
        Also, getting into our country LEGALLY needs to be greatly reformed. So those that want to come here can do so in a shorter time-frame.
        .
        These reforms would help us to curb ILLEGAL immigration, while helping those who want to come here for jobs/family/etc. Also, the tax revenue from 12 milliom currently undocumented immigrants would be about 45 billion conservatively.
        .
        Be smart and look for the opportunity in the problem, illegals need to stop, so make it easier for them to help us.

        December 5, 2011 at 10:04 am |
  6. Margaret in Tennessee

    No one who entered illegally should ever have a path to citizenship or a "right" to a college education at a public school. It's just not fair to all the people who follow the process and legally enter this country each year. Most of the "legals" work a number of years on a green card and eventually become US citizens. I can support allowing illegals to be converted to a legal residence alien status for a fee, provided they are barred from citizenship and receiving any government services for a period of years. I cannot support rewarding someone for not following the same rules millions of others have.

    December 5, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Great americans secretly hating mexicans

      There currently no legal way for regular working person to apply for residence in US. Even relatives of US citizens are waiting for 10-20 yars to get it.

      December 5, 2011 at 8:46 am |
      • Troubled.Alex

        That's a lie. There are F1 visas for students, H1 and L1 visas for professionals and H2 visas for farmworkers and manual laborers. What more do you want? Shoulwe pay their plane fare as well? Get a job and use the money to buy yourself a clue.

        December 7, 2011 at 7:07 am |
  7. Tim Green

    These are the New Americans.

    Like it or not – they are.

    December 5, 2011 at 8:13 am |
    • frogprof

      No, they're NOT Americans. Which is the point.
      If they're old enough - and apparently intelligent enough - to be taking college-level classes, they're old enough and intelligent enough to figure out some way to apply for legal residency or citizenship. THEN they can take classes - legally and at the same price as any "international" student - at the college or university of their choice.
      I worked in France years ago, and I did it legally - AND IN THE LOCAL LANGUAGE - which is something else a lot of illegals can't be bothered to do. There are far too many illegals who have lived in the US for years and never bothered to learn the language. That indicates to me that they are not serious about being productive members of our society.

      December 5, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  8. Willie12345

    Somehow the poor tax payer is being robbed. Plus, American citizens are being cheated of their education. Enough is enough. Close this places down and deport the illegals.

    December 5, 2011 at 7:05 am |
    • Great americans secretly hating mexicans

      Somehow you don't have a clue of what you are talking about, poor taxpayer

      December 5, 2011 at 8:54 am |
      • Johnny Gat

        Your !diotic name pretty much tells me "this guy is a friendless loser that sits on the internet and types up garbage that they think is some-what funny and/or witty but in reality is lame and pathetic like they are". Seriously, you typed up a long obnoxious name and post constant garbage. You are probably one of those illegals with 20 kids that live on our tax money so you defend them. that or your just a dolt... either or...

        December 5, 2011 at 9:54 am |
  9. mikger

    Hey – can I attend? I'm a U.S Citizen by birth, white, and completely normal. Except I can't afford to go to college – so – will they allow me to come too? Just curious.

    December 5, 2011 at 5:36 am |
    • Randy

      I have been here since birth 43 years ago. I have been paying taxes since Reagan. WHERE IS MY FREE HIGHER EDUCATION? If I did something illegal i would be arrested. these people are breaking the law and complaining that we are not doing enough for them. The next time some one breaks into your home be sure to treat the thief to dinner, and make sure they are comfortable and happy. ( does the last statement makes any sense?) WHERE IS MY FREE HIGHER EDUCATION??????????? IF THE THIEVES HAVE A RIGHT TO IT. THEN THE HONEST PEOPLE THAT WERE BORN HERE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND AS WELL.

      December 5, 2011 at 6:01 am |
      • sarah

        If a professor volunteers to teach someone, whether its a person off the street or their grandson, that's hardly any of your business. No one is saying these people are entitled to have others volunteer to teach them either.

        December 5, 2011 at 10:38 am |
  10. Come on by... legally

    Hey – come on by America, my great-great grandparents did – they came, learned the language, got jobs, worked hard, etc... Here I am a few generations later. I have no doubt that many immigrants who have come here illegally have the same dreams and mean well, but that's the difference isn't it? They're here ILLEGALLY. Come legally, follow the law, by all means – welcome to America. Nice to see you.

    Come here illegally? Yeah, ok here's the deal. We have certain laws that we live by – we may not like them all, but we work within the system to change them, and until then – we live by them. So if you came here illegally – get out. Go back home. File the paperwork and do it legally. If we catch you, we're deporting you. If it were up to me – I'd catch you a 2nd time and toss you in prison, then send you the bill for your housing/food/medicine when you got out. Personally, I'd love to see Congress come up with a law that says anyone who wants to be a citizen can pay a $5000 processing fee and go to the front of the line – then we'd take that $5K and apply it toward the person's Social Security Account. I'd also stipulate that you couldn't draw social security benefits, medicare, or ANYTHING until you'd paid in for 10 years – so if you want to work, pay your taxes. If you want to come here and slouch around (most don't), and get some kind of anchor baby to get medicare, etc. that's not gonna work anymore... But that's me, that's logical, and that's why Congress will probably never make it happen... So here we are...

    December 5, 2011 at 3:00 am |
    • InterntlStudent

      The first part of your comment could have been applied to your great-grand parents as well if the Indians did NOT get killed by your great-grand parents. That is alright but I LOVE that you mentioned a solution, which most people DO NOT and COULD NOT come up with. If people were given a chance to pay, there are enough ofillegal immigrants if they would pay to be legal, even $5,000 to be recognized to boost the economy a bit. They are already working anyway, right ?

      December 5, 2011 at 3:45 am |
      • PallasAthene

        That's just it. They CAN pay to become legal. Married to a citizen? It's 5k, otherwise it's about 10k to become a U.S. citizen. I know many illegals who CAN afford it but would rather buy a boat, a car, an ATV, etc. Many of them simply don't want to BE a citizen, but want the benefits.

        December 5, 2011 at 8:38 am |
    • Jay Germaine

      A bit sarcastic but on the point. Absolutly nothing for nothing.

      December 5, 2011 at 5:42 am |
    • Asian American

      I agree with you. My parents were LEGAL immigrants; they petitioned their relatives to come over and it took about 12 years to bring them to America. After we sponsored them, they became legal American citizens. Unless I missed it, the article doesn't say if Keish's parents tried to become naturalized US citizens-that's an important part the author left out. I don't see what the next poster's comment regarding Indians has to do with this. Hot air? I also love how people forget that America had an open door policy until I think the 1920's when America realized that it cannot house everyone in the world who wants to live in this great country.

      December 5, 2011 at 8:40 am |
  11. tuishou

    Panama (a Hispanic country BTW) has an interesting law. It grants an immigrant the same legal status that their parent country grants others. Panama obviously knows its' neighbors! I (USA BORN Native) married a Mexican and had a 20 year marriage ('til death do us part, for those of you who would ponder) and we lived and worked on both sides of the border. In the USA? Wife had full rights, being here legally. However when in Mexico, leading productive legal honest lives, I could not even get a bank account under my name for my business.... every time I came up for citizenship in Mexico? Things came up: "oh, so sorry... there is just one more thing. you will have to start over...." Here is to Panama! Now if only the USA would insist on the same rights for its' citizens that they give to illegal aliens.

    December 5, 2011 at 1:29 am |
  12. TomAmerican

    So, why don't we just offer citizenship to anyone in the world who wants it?

    Sounds like a crazy and even dangerous idea, doesn't it? How is that any different than someone who sneaks into our country and (if the liberals get their way) is granted amnesty or a variation of the DREAM Act?

    Let's do what is right for the American citizen and not the illegal invaders!

    December 5, 2011 at 12:41 am |
    • BWV208

      Where did all these hatefilled bigots come from? Remember the policies of Ellis Island ? When did your ancestors arrive here? Had to be AFTER 1492. Unless, of course, you are a member of a Native American tribe, tell us – are you Cherokee, Arapajo, Navajo, Sioux or Hopi? Many of these "mestizo" people you hate so much actually are descended from Native Americans and have the blood of Aztecs, Mayans, Toltecs and Incas in their veins.

      December 5, 2011 at 1:34 am |
      • galacticaman

        BWV208 you can't even follow what he/she said.Turn on your brains and use logic.There billions of people who also want to come to the US but they don't because of geographic location and awareness of being deported keeps them from entering this country.If countries let in every willing person like they did in the past,believe me all Africa,All Latin america would be in Europe and America.World has changed,things that worked before will not work now.Try immigrating to another country,why you stuck in here?You can't,right?

        December 5, 2011 at 2:59 am |
      • Willie12345

        If we don't stop the flood of illegals, we'll be one the reservation along with the Apaches, etc.

        December 5, 2011 at 7:07 am |
  13. Cesare

    Christopher Columbus came here Illegally! He caused all this problems!

    December 5, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • nima

      Cesare, Christopher Columbus applied for the immigration papers with the Native American. He was required to show is degrees and bank statements. Then they grant him a working permit oh sorry a visitor visa.

      December 5, 2011 at 12:27 am |
    • TomAmerican

      Funny, I doubt that the Native Americans had an immigration policy. So, no "laws" were actually broken. We should learn from this example when no action is taken.

      December 5, 2011 at 12:35 am |
    • galacticaman

      I'm sorry but tribes didn't offer visas back then and there was no border!

      December 5, 2011 at 12:54 am |
      • nima

        There was no boader or visa because people were not selfish. Nobody was stealing anything from anybody. People put boader and laws in place because they were scared to be punished for of their own actions. They build up an unfair system through out the world and don't want to seat and take the heat. Face it!

        December 5, 2011 at 2:12 am |
  14. Common Sense

    These "students" belong in jail or back in their own countries. If they are academically qualified, then once back in their countries of citizenship, they can apply for the proper paper work and go through the legal process that any international students goes through to attend our universities. As it is, these students are simply breaking the law and shouldn't be rewarded for that with college admission or degree. Maybe we should give murders admission to college ahead of other Americans and legal international students, or child molesters?

    People who support these illegal immigrants should be held as accessories to the crime and charged a minimum fee of $100,000 for each illegal immigrant they are helping and that shouldn't be split amongst other helping the same person. This fee, while it would seem steep (check the price for college tuition, books, etc), would be a good way to demotivate supporting these students and a good way to reduce the federal deficit.

    December 4, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • A.

      are you saying that Keish, who came here as a child should be treated like a child molester or murderer? really?

      December 5, 2011 at 6:26 am |
    • Pepe

      Then you should be jailed and fined as well. Your tax dollars are helping me .. I mean illegal immigrants right now... just saying

      December 5, 2011 at 10:38 am |
  15. Alvarez

    ChrkeePrde
    You have my vote for President!

    December 4, 2011 at 9:32 pm |
    • TomAmerican

      And he/she can be president! Just not of the United States. We need someone in that office who puts American citizens first, second, and third.

      December 4, 2011 at 10:02 pm |
  16. ChrkeePrde

    Not educating illegals will increase the crime rate. The more you deny them the right to pay taxes and the right to act like responsible citizens, the more crime you'll have. Make the illegals legal, just like we did with the Irish, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, English, Scottish, Greeks, etc etc.

    December 4, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Lmx2

      So you are suggesting that we must start to educate all of the millions of illegals and their children in this country and give them jobs or they will start being a worse level of criminal than they already area? All at the expense of the American taxpayer and at the same time, denying jobs to our citizens and diverting educational resources from our own children. I don't think the average American citizen will go for that (especially in this economy)and would probably assassinate any politician or lawmaker who did such a thing. I am also an Irish immigrant as well and nobody gave me legal status. I applied for legals residency and citizenship and followed the legal channels myself.

      December 4, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
      • Andrew

        Where are you getting the idea that the "American Taxpayer" doesn't include undocumented immigrants? All relevant research points to the contrary – undocumented workers pay a ton into the tax system.

        December 4, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
    • TomAmerican

      That is really reaching. To sum up what you just said, "We don't belong here, but unless you want us to do bad things to you, you have to take care of us even though we have no real respect for your country or your laws."

      The best way to keep illegals from committing crimes is for bleeding heart liberals to stop dangling carrots in front of them enticing the illegals to come in OUR country. A crime cannot be committed against an American if the criminal is not here. Let them tear their own countries apart. Oh, wait.... They already have in most cases.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm |
      • gera

        Respect and obey this country? Are you kidding me? most of these illegal love this country, they appreciate and thank God for living in a free country with a lot of job opportunities. If you (as an american) are all about obeying the laws how come this country allows businesses to hire illegals in the first place? maybe because it would be counterproductive to do so, don't you get it.

        December 4, 2011 at 10:28 pm |
      • Laurie

        hey Gera, nobody asked you to come to the United States, you knew what you were doing was wrong and illegal, now we are supposed to supporrt and educate you? If you break the law, you pay the man; do you really think we are going to reward you with citizenship?

        December 4, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
      • TomAmerican

        You mean that they love this country so much, they are willing to break our laws to get into it? That first action is not a measure of good faith if you ask me.

        December 4, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
      • nima

        What do you mean by coming here legally "who signed the papers for them to come? the Native American or the Settlers themselves? Have you heard about White Privellege? Let me explain to you....no no go back to history and learn about discrimination .... even the Hispanic were here before the Cocasians.....If they had more power than the Whites, maybe you would understand that not everybody as equal chance to be here....some have the privillege for being white and others were punished for being a person of color and has no chance than crossing a boader. Please let find a human and smart way to solve the problem
        Stop stop talking about coming here legally because we do not have the same chance

        December 4, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
      • Joe

        white privilege... the benefit of having got the most brains, the most beauty and creativity. Sailing the world, invented the Internet, going to the moon. Ah, the things we can accomplish. Compare this will all the others and we are in a class by ourselves.

        December 5, 2011 at 12:42 am |
      • hacksaw

        "even the hispanics were here before the caucasians"
        Technically, that is incorrect.

        The spanish who conquered South and Central America...were caucasians. The children of their unions with the natives were what we typically refer to as hispanic. In fact the term came to mean people from hispania.. which is the iberian peninsula ... bascally Spain, Portugal, Andora and Gibralter.

        December 5, 2011 at 2:30 am |
      • Pepe

        Thats right, we have our very own American Born crimminals. All of wall street bankers that ripped off Billions of dollars need legal cittezen to steal from. They cant still from undocumented immigrants since they don't pay taxes or inverst in thier ponzi schemes

        December 5, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • galacticaman

      We have to educate our citizens,not the whole world.We can just deport those and their home countries will be responsible for educating them or putting them in prisons.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
    • victim of democrat hypocrisy

      Deporting illegals will decrease the crime rate. They've already broken the law by entering illegally. I daresay their home countries wouldn't be so accommodating if you attempted what they're doing.

      December 4, 2011 at 11:04 pm |
    • Joe

      One big happy family... more diversity, that's all we need. Once all these white people disappear everything will be all better... except, um, this will just be another third world hell hole resembling where most of these students came from.

      December 5, 2011 at 12:29 am |
  17. Joe Murphy

    Why aren't these people being arrested for aiding and abetting?

    December 4, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • ChrkeePrde

      You = poop

      December 4, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
    • Dan

      Probably because it's not a requirement for a US citizen to check everyone's residence status.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • Alicia

      Chrk...poop=you.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • TomAmerican

      ChrkeePrde, apparently you are choosing illegals over U.S. citizens. That is a form of treason, assuming that you are an American. Never put the welfare of the citizens of another country before your own citizens.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
      • Reagan's Ghost

        Spoken like a true Republican

        December 5, 2011 at 12:46 am |
      • PROUD AMERICAN

        Dear TOM AMERICAN,

        I disagree with your fascist comment. By your selfish logic, any heroic act that any American has carried out in benefit of the world is treason. You have a very limited understanding of what it means to be an American. Your opinion does not reflect what is best in us as a nation. Since when did the selfish and small minded among us become the majority. I call out to all proud, intelligent, caring Americans to confront these type of misguided and intolerant comments. Tom American, you trying to stomp on another American's right to self expression by labling it as treason is reminiscent of Stalin and countless other dictators. Kind hearted Americans should be flooding this blog to undo the damage that small minded bigots are doing to our national reputation. Let's continue to work with our neighbors to solve our mutual problems. Let's stop using immigrants as scape goats. Stomping on the little guy is not going to fix our hurt national pride over the fact that we are not a perfect, infalible nation. Let's accept the fact that we are not longer NUMBER 1. Let's be mature and get back to work. Stop bullying the immigrant and terrorizing his children. And read your Bibles once in a while. It might help you gain some perspective and find some love and compassion.

        December 7, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
  18. Joe K

    In 1814 the Indians (Native Americans) were forced to become illegal aliens by the Europeans. Kind of Ironic right?

    BOTTOM LINE: Native Americans (Indians) are the only true legal citizens of this great land.

    So if you are a US citizen today, learn how you became one. Then perhaps you can learn how to get along with your fellow man that wants the American Dream just as much as you do.

    December 4, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • Billy

      They were the first to cross the ice bridge between Russia and Alaska.

      December 4, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
      • ChrkeePrde

        You're missing the point Billy.

        December 4, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
    • Daffney

      My family is American Indian. We like Kris Kobach. The past is the past & to say that only Native people can speak about illegal immigration is a load of crap. We are all Americans! We have a problem & it needs to be fixed. Many in the media & pro-illegal immigration advocates use the term "anti-immigration laws" which is extremely dishonest. Most Americans support legal immigration & as far as the illegal folks, well, we have nothing against you, all that we ask is that you go back to your home country & get in line behind the people who are trying to come here legally.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • Joe

      really dumb... can you not think? citizens of the land? The UNITED STATES is a nation founded by Europeans. It is not part of the land but is a civilization transported from Europe and exists on this land in America. The land is not what really makes America. If it were, nations like China, Brazil and India would be quite wealthy and have a rich history of self-government. American Indians ARE the original inhabitants of this land, although artifacts found in the Northwest indicate that Caucasians were here at least 9000 years ago. If Europeans had not come here, this land would still be full of third worlders and would still be mired in poverty. Got it... the US is what it is because Europeans founded and established and built it. Now, political correctness may teach us that all cultures had an influence and we needed them all, blah blah....but that does not make it true. We can see now that we have all these cultures competing here, this country is becoming fragmented into tiny pieces and our demise is not long away. I wonder if the third worlders will enjoy that?

      December 5, 2011 at 12:39 am |
      • Ghost of Columbus

        But it was a different type of Europeans that conquered Mexico which included California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico etc. Then a different type of European took it from them. That makes it all OK though.

        December 5, 2011 at 12:53 am |
      • PROUD AMERICAN

        Joe, somebody needs to have the guts to tell you that you are a real bigot. That somebody is me, and I'm going to tell you why you are a bigot. The way you use the word "European" to mask what you really want to say, "the white man," is exactly what makes every radical in the world want to join the bandwagon of fanatical warfare against us. I am a white man and I completely disagree with your misguided and small minded interpretation of what our great nation stands for. Your condecending comments towards other nations and other cultures are shameful. Why do you feel it necessary to build up your pathetic sense of self importance, and blow it up to encompass the whole of our nation with it, by criticizing China, India, Brazil and every indigenous culture who is not "European." Are you that much of an Aryan supremacist? Come on brother, if you want to showcase your intellect and your pride in the accomplishments of white men, try to achieve for what many of us have yet to achieve: A true sense of kinship with other peoples, other cultures, other races. Stop being a bigot. Bring Jesus into your life and let go of the angry white man act. Love the immigrant. Love their little colorful kids. Learn something from the rest of the world and show them respect. Show the world that we are not small minded, that we can work with them to solve world problems. Don't discredit Ghandi, MLK, Cesar Chavez, Nelson Mandela, and the wisdom of many other fellow human beings who do not happen to be white just because they are not "European" or because you don't have any other arguments to cover up for your sadness and hate other than "its politically correct and blah, blah, blah." Americans are better than that. Come back to the light, brother. Leave Chaney and Rummy to play with themselves all alone in the dark side.

        December 7, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
  19. Veronica

    Imagine how hard it would be if one american illegally lives in other countries and tries to get access to their social benefits and school system. Same thing happens here with illegal in the US. Every countries in the world has their own immigration law to protect their citizens' rights. We are not living in a non boundery world. This country doesn't take responsibiliy of anybody's American dream just because they simply have one. And people should remember that American dream is limited.

    December 4, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • galacticaman

      Good thought!I wish everyone was as logical as you.

      December 4, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
      • nima

        Poor you, which world to you know? If you knew what is happening around the world and first about your own history you would put smater arguments on the table

        December 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm |
    • Terry G

      AMEN SISTER!

      Most countries throw you in jail if you're illegal.

      December 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • ChrkeePrde

      Tell that to your great grand-parents. And yes there is a limit... but how do you know we're at the limit? Why not just let illegals pay taxes? Become part of society? A human being is a great asset more than a cost so long as you help it become an asset... Boeing: founded by a son of german immigrants, Sakorsky: ukrainian immigrants, Joseph Pulizer, Saint Frances Cabrini, Irving Berlin, etc. etc. Why were they successful? Because they came to a land that welcomed immigrants and made them legal within weeks, offered benefits, etc. etc.... Its all logical to you because you're inside the box... start thinking outside box.

      December 4, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
      • TomAmerican

        ChrkeePrde, you apparently have a good heart. But, it isn't realistic. Why don't you go through your nearest major city and bring home the first homeless person you encounter. Don't they deserve a roof and hot meal just like you? But, why stop there? Why not bring everyone you encounter to your house?

        Why not? Because it just isn't realistic! Let's put it on a larger scale and say that your house is the United States. We cannot help the world any more than you are likely to help one or two people (who also might end up stealing from you or committing another crime while in your house).

        If the United States had a majority of its problems fixed, we might be in a position to help them in some way. But, with the state we are currently in, not a chance. Let's fix the U.S. before others ruin it for us.

        December 4, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
      • Joe

        just because our founders were immigrants doesn't mean every immigrant is equal. By and large, European immigrants are in a different class than mestizo ones. I mean seriously, that's like saying roaches benefit us because look at all the benefits of honey bees. they are both insects after all.

        December 5, 2011 at 12:45 am |
      • Ghost of Geronimo

        Most illegals that I know pay their taxes.

        December 5, 2011 at 12:55 am |
  20. Laughing cheetah

    I really cannot believe some of my "fellow americans" are spewing out. This young womans parents came here as immigrants, or so it says in the story, they pay taxes. Which is much more than i can say for some of the folk who are here "legally" by birth right . Go to Wal-Mart on any given day and look at our countrymen who couldn't get into a community college let alone an ivy league college, and have no desire to do so. America used to be the greatest Nation on the planet, we have been reduced to whiners, liars, and men who are no longer men. (Some with Ivy league educations). Education should be something that all persons should have access to if they so desire. America, as a very wealthy country should be at the forefront of that. If we could manage to keep our noses out of other countries military issues for a period of time, perhaps we could muster the finances to provide education to all who desire it, and to our immigrants who bring much to the further development of our country. Oh , and yeah, remember Albert Einstein....He came here as an immigrant....Think about it

    December 4, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • Ourkie

      Excellent response and analysis.

      December 4, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
    • Alvarez

      Well said!!

      December 4, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • Lmx2

      You said, "Go to Wal-Mart on any given day and look at our countrymen who couldn't get into a community college let alone an ivy league college, and have no desire to do so." I don't know where you live but in Texas, about 95% of the people in Wal-Mart or Sams on any given day are Hispanic. About Einstein being an immigrant; do you really think most of the people who are in this country illegally are an intellectual equal to Einstein.

      December 4, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • TomAmerican

      I started reading your comment, but I had to stop at "her parents came here as immigrants". Right there you lost all credibility. They did not come here as immigrants. They came as illegal immigrants and there is a world of difference. Legals have completed what they need to do to immigrate. Illegals don't care about our rules and believe that they are above such petty things. I have friends that are legals who went through the process to come here and be welcomed.

      It isn't the fault of the United States that the countries these poor people are coming from are in such dismal shape.

      December 4, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
      • nima

        What do you mean by coming here legally "who signed the papers for them to come? the Native American or the Settlers themselves? Have you heard about White Privellege? Let me explain to you....no no go back to history and learn about discrimination .... even the Hispanic were here before the Cocasians.....If they had more power than the Whites, maybe you would understand that not everybody as equal chance to be here....some have the privillege for being white and others were punished for being a person of color and has no chance than crossing a boader. Please let find a human and smart way to solve the problem
        Stop stop talking about coming here legally because we do not have the same chance.

        December 4, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
    • Joe

      just because our founders were immigrants doesn't mean every immigrant is equal. By and large, European immigrants are in a different class than mestizo ones. I mean seriously, that's like saying roaches benefit us because look at all the benefits of honey bees. they are both insects after all.

      December 5, 2011 at 12:49 am |
      • Ghost of Chavez

        We see how those superior unemployed americans just love to work hard all day in the sun – have you checked out the state of crops in states that have made it hard for illegals?

        December 5, 2011 at 1:00 am |
    • doughnuts

      Read the story again. They did not immigrate legally. If they had, the daughter wouldn't be having these problems.

      December 5, 2011 at 1:41 am |
    • Pat Savu

      Education is not free and college education is not a right. I paid taxes in my own state to other legal residents's children to attend my states' public university, while dishing out plenty more for my one child to attend an out-of-state school and the othe one to attend a private school. I do not want my taxes to pay for illegal aliens to attend college. It's fine it they want to stay and pick fruit. This young woman has her parents to blame for her situation. The broke the law by bringing her here. There are plenty of ntavie born American who do not attend college becaseu they cannot afford it.

      December 5, 2011 at 10:38 am |
  21. CYoung

    Of course legal immigrants and citizens should get the first on government funded schools, and anything else! This is such a biased article. These kids are allowed to study where ever they want. This article makes it sound like they'd be arrested if caught studying. If they want to do this, I say 'Sure, That's great, let them.' Illegal immigrants already cost us enough money. We don't need to pay for their college education too.

    December 4, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  22. galacticaman

    If those kids tried as hard to improve their homeland countries they wouldn't be in need to stay here illegally.I heard "American Dream" is dead,so they have nothing to lose anyway.People succeed not only in America if they work hard enough in nowadays.

    December 4, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
    • cal

      They don't know any other country. This is it.

      December 4, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
      • TomAmerican

        Their parents didn't know any other country either and still left it for the uncertainty of the United States. It isn't a one way road.

        And why is sending them back to the country that they are legal citizens a bad thing? I heard of a country that didn't like how things were going so they did something about it. Oh, yeah.... That was the United States. Why can't the illegals do the same?

        December 4, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • Esteban

      I am from CostaRica and I have never seem such hate in a country..Our health care is collapse cuz of Nicaraguans who come to hospitals to give birth and have their kids and We treat them as equal CUZ THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS..try to come to our country to see if maybe we can teach you respect regardless of the nationality..redneck

      December 6, 2011 at 1:30 am |
  23. nima

    Open yours eyes and look around you. All the smart people working in hospital and technologie areas in this country are immigrants. They were able to come easier because you need their competencies to take care of you and the others... The criminals are those who are doing unfair business around the world. They are selfish and hypocrites. They steal the resources from other countries such as Africa. Lets deal with them first to allow illegal to have access of their own ressources. You will see that they will not need to come here anymore. Your grandparents who came in this country came illegally because there were looking for better life...so does the illegal. Let's find good ways as Mewt Gingrich, Paul Rayon, Rick Perry have suggested.

    December 4, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • galacticaman

      Don't confuse legal immigrants with illegal immigrants.What do you tell to billions of poor people in African countries and Asian countries when you legalize those illegal?Obviously we can't invite all of them,that's why we have borders and laws that limits amount of people entering in this country.I'm sure you would immigrate to another country if you had opportunity but you don't because you have to have a permit to work in another country.Those illegal wouldn't stay here if they had opportunity to immigrate to another country.Tell me why America should be exception?

      December 4, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
      • nima

        I am not supporting illegal to come in this country. My message is that we should secure our boarder not get up one morning and send the 11 millions back home as suggested by Michelle Backman and the Tea Party. We need a smarter solutions because of two reasons: first in that we are all descendents of illegal who came here illegally, killed native and take control of their land. Today, these people can not even be part of the government system. So we cannot behave has clean people because we are not!
        Second, because of our own practice around the world, people do not have access of their own resources and have to find better places to settle....
        If America wants to continue to be the police of the world, they have to show good leadership in all aspects....we do understand that we need to secure the boader

        December 4, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
      • Grammar nazi

        What the heck are you saying because I cannot read your garbage.

        December 4, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
      • nima

        The reason is because your are simply a "nazi". They have not clue about the world and the others

        December 4, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Brenda

      NIMA, the basic premise of your message is false and irrational: The only intelligent workers in America are immigrants. Do you have any idea how ridiculous your sound? You do your cause - whatever it may be - far more damage than I could possibly do. Keep it up!

      December 4, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
      • Grammar nazi

        ..your sound. MUST DO BETTER

        December 5, 2011 at 1:03 am |
    • nimbex

      Nima, my grandparents did not come here illegally... they came here LEGALLY.

      Not legal? Then you are a criminal, you have no rights. Not a single illegal should receive welfare or any type of free ride... if living in hiding then is too difficult,,, go back home.

      December 7, 2011 at 3:48 am |
  24. galacticaman

    If all countries had open borders like America does I'm pretty sure those illegals would open up and say how much they hate America.They just act like innocent puppies because they know no country will let them in.I'm saying that from experience.When I ask any immigrant if he/she likes America I usually get answers:"no ","I hate this hole".Good job CNN with covering the truth.Btw,those kids are product of public school,so I doubt they would become good engineers or doctors anyway.

    December 4, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • Carlos Caballero

      Imbecil

      December 4, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • galactiman

      I'm such a dork

      December 5, 2011 at 1:05 am |
  25. giggity

    GREAT BOOHOO STORY

    December 4, 2011 at 3:18 pm |
  26. galacticaman

    I learn more from you tube videos and reading books on my own than from attending a college.CNN stop making from illegals innocent puppies and stop making them smarter than they are.I always get impression as if all illegals are future professors from reading CNN articles.It makes me wonder who are those Hispanics who drop out of school and get pregnant at 15.I'm a legal immigrant to this country and now I regret I came here legally.I would be better off if I came here at least 10 years ago.Maybe then I would be aspiring engineer like illegals,lol

    December 4, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
    • cal

      They did it on their own. Living in the knowlege that they are illegal and afraid of deportation. You are not an engineer because you didn't have it on you. Shame on you for being an immigrant and thinking yourself so above those kids. You are not. You could have learned a thing or two about tolerance from battlestar galactica.

      December 4, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
    • galacticaman

      but i lie a lot

      December 5, 2011 at 1:06 am |
  27. Dana

    In this article all I see was the parents didn't like their countries regimented education system. Ya know what? boohoo. Their kid would have gotten an education anyway then been able to make their own choice later. This is the second public case where there was no sort of dissident or hardship issue where it made headlines just because they thought they could take a short cut. I don't feel sorry for them. It's not like I can get on a plane, go to Britain or Australia and then just stay and make them feel sorry for me because I had been there so long if I managed to hide long enough. They'd have my behind on a plane and being shipped out of the country so fast my head would spin.

    December 4, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • galacticaman

      I agree with you 100%.That's what I'm trying to make people understand.Even Americans can't just board the plane and live in a country of their dream just because they feel like living there.

      December 4, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
  28. hilo, HI

    I am also sick of hearing the lame excuse for lawbreaking, "The AMerican Dream".
    The American Dream was hard won with the Blood of the Patriots, in the Civil War, the Civil Right's Movement. It is an ongoing work in progress, and American Blood is still being shed to this day to preserve this democracy.

    These young 'aspiring' what-evers exemplify selfishness and what's in it for me, imo. WHO CARES WHAT THEY WANT? WHAT DO THEIR HOMELANDS NEED?? If they are truly that innovated, brilliant, motivated, then they should be HOME, FIGHTING to bring these opportunities and freedoms there, not leeching off of someone else's hard work.

    December 4, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
  29. cal

    You go kids! Don't let anything come between you and a future. Hang in there. There were other unfortunate laws that made people illegal just for being born to a certain way and wanting to improve their lives or live their dreams.You are taking the dificult way and are fighting . That is the american way.

    December 4, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
    • hilo, HI

      Standing up for one's Future is why exactly what motivates those of us opposed to LAWBREAKERS.

      December 4, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
      • cal

        There was a time when people also said it was against the law for black kids to attend school with white kids. Bad laws are to be changed. If we don't correct our mistakes we don't grow.

        December 4, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  30. csnord

    Every single member of the University Council at the University of Georgia should be required to conduct a face-to-face interview with every single qualified US resident who was denied admission because an illegal was granted admission exactly why the illegal was more deserving than they are. What is happening with regards to illegal immigrants in this country is stupid and absurd. Every single illegal in this country has the right to exactly one thing - a ride back to their country of origin. It doesn't matter if they are from Mexico, or Guatemala, or Singapore, or Norway. Back they go, Period. The fact that we are even having this discussion shows how little respect we have for our own country.

    December 4, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • csnord

      FYI - my comment refers to the Editor's Update at the top of the article.

      As for the actual subject of the article, if a bunch of professors want to donate their time to educate some illegals, fine, so long as public funding is not used to support it. Although, those professors really need to be taking down names and addresses and calling ICE.

      December 4, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
      • hilo, HI

        I 100% agree. -and let's get into the hypocrisy of the bleeding hearts who pat themselves on the back for being so helpful to illegal aliens. Do you think these professors would be so open if THEIR JOBS, their university seats, were being threatened by illegal aliens? Of course not. It's so easy for them to play this from the safety of their Ivory Towers.

        December 4, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Daffney

      Amen! The media & pro-illegal immigration advocates are very dishonest when they talk about "anti-immigration laws." Funny how they leave out the illegal part. We've been taught to not speak up & if we do, labels are placed on us. It's 100% bull!

      December 4, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
  31. skfalcon

    so basically this is just a place to teach a bunch of uneducated kids how to do basic math and learn english. this article makes it sound like some secret dead poets society hiding in caves learning advance knowledge that was banned.

    December 4, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • hilo, HI

      LOL!

      December 4, 2011 at 2:49 pm |
  32. Hrmm

    Well, as long as they aren't using financial aid meant for U.S. students or taking up slots at a University for a U.S. student- more power to 'em.

    December 4, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Howard

      NOBODY SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW !!!

      Obama, Holder, and Napolitano should all be in jail,
      for the illegal sale of 2,500 weapons, to the Mexican drug cartels
      ... as well as the subsequent COVER UP of these crimes ...
      resulting in the MURDER OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT MEXICANS,
      and the murder of American border agent, Brian Terry.

      If anything, Obama, Holder, and Napolitano,
      should be held to a higher standard, than the rest of us.

      In the days of Watergate, the Press demanded, and
      got JUSTICE for the American people. Today, the
      media looks the other way, or helps in the cover up !!!

      December 4, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
      • csnord

        Watergate was a Republican issue, so the press naturally joined in to condemn and aid in prosecutions. The subjects you address are issues for the Democrats, so the press will be scarce.

        December 4, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
      • nima

        Bush lies that Irak President was hidding secret weapon, Because of this, millions of innocent get killed in Irak together with innocent American soldiers. Did the International justice system called the CPI brought Bush and his office to court? Let deal with this big lie first that took away millions of lives.

        December 4, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
  33. j14401s

    I guess, breaking the law of some country doesn't qualify for deportation anymore. No we have to school these kids. The AZ Republic already has a like article on the front page of our Sunday paper. Why aren't the kids (3 in total), all know to be illegals--now, since the paper outed them. Where is ICE? Where is Sheriff Joe now? If I broke the law of another country they would throw me in jail and throw away the key. In fact, it's that was in my own country now as far as we're concerned.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • hilo, HI

      I 100% agree. This picking and choosing of which LAWS are to be enforced, which ones ignored, is unacceptable.
      These criminals should be treated humanely, respectfully, but they must face the consequences of their actions.
      Anything less is destructive to a nation's sovereignty.

      December 4, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
  34. Claire

    Let's ban "out of state fees" to all to American students and legalize promising illegal students............
    We need bright young people who are willing to work hard. We also need to allow all young Americans to study in any state they'd like to without slapping on them ridiculous and costly "out of state" fees!

    December 4, 2011 at 12:44 pm |
    • Chally

      As a lifelong academic, I have to disagree. Most state schools are subsidized by taxpayer residents. Non-residents are not contributing in that manner, so should pay the difference.

      December 4, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
    • Pat Savu

      After paying a small fortune to send my daughter out of state to the excellant Univerisity of Michigan Engineering College, I am not in favor of someone else getting such a benefit for cheap by eliminating the out of state fees. I wanted the best for my daughter and I had to pay for it, others should have to do the same thing.

      December 5, 2011 at 10:48 am |
  35. REPORT ILLEGALS TODAY

    Do you know how to tell the difference between a legal immigrant, and a illegal immigrant?
    Check for scratches on his back!

    December 4, 2011 at 11:56 am |
  36. aurelius1947

    Let FOX investigate the matter and sh- will fly!

    December 4, 2011 at 11:49 am |
  37. Carmen

    Lets try to attend a University without legal status in Korea, China, Mexico,even my own country Bolivia.
    It an abuse of the candor of Americans.
    I attended a British boarding school, then I apply to the Sorbonne, was accepted, but I wanted to attend one year in the US before going to France, my family had multiple visas since my father attended Harvard in the early 1930, he married late in life.
    But my family is moral and respects laws. I applied for a student visa, one has to prove that school would be paid, school records, medical records, etc.
    I was accepted in a Catholic University. I could have stayed after I finished in 3 years, but I went home and when I was offered a position to work in the US, I came legally.
    I read in the Daily Mail from the UK that US Universites are doing the imposible to take Chinese students, even the ones that do not know much English, cant pay, or have bad grades.
    I blame the Universities, many Americans and legal residents cant qualify for grants, space to attend.
    If one is unmoral braking laws, what kind of Ehtics are they bringing to the US , work ?

    December 4, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • LOL

      you're bolivian? how about you tell the same thing to the 6+ million bolivians who are illegally living in Argentina, coming here bragging about morals and visas lmao estos bolitas...

      December 4, 2011 at 11:53 am |
  38. CivilRights8

    I am an educator myself and express my sympathy for these students. However, at the same time I firmly believe in the rule of law. As a legal immigrant in the US, I have worked hard to gain this status and I know it is not easy to immigrate to the US. But it is not a surprise. There are so many people around the world who want to immigrate to the US and it is simply impossible to accept all of them. This is a simple matter of supply and demand. Therefore, there must be (merit based, ...) regulations for immigration and they should be respected by every law-abiding person. Paying taxes does not justify one's wish to be a US citizen. Paying taxes has nothing to do with a person's immigration status. Is it reasonable that instead of the current immigration criteria, applicants just be asked: "Are you willing to pay taxes if your application is approved?" I do not think it is fair that illegal immigrants easily get what legal immigrants earn by hard work.

    December 4, 2011 at 11:26 am |
  39. NudeTruth

    "Their students are undocumented. They have nowhere else to go and no one else to teach them."

    You go back to your own country and get your schooling there.

    December 4, 2011 at 10:45 am |
  40. Narcosis70

    These sorts of situations are sad, brought about by the failure of the US government, regardless of political party, to properly seal off our borders. But then there are those who'd like to see an open border, the result of which would no doubt be the United States becoming just another third-world country.

    December 4, 2011 at 10:43 am |
  41. sdabby

    I enjoyed your article on the young undocumented students in Georgia. I came to the US (legally) as a foreign student in 1964 and became a US citizen 14 years later.
    It has been well known for many years that many colleges are not the best choice for foreign students – regardless of immigration status. The more liberal universities view foreign students and diversity as a strong asset. So my advice to the students you describe is to apply to larger liberal universities. I received my education at UCLA, Yale, and Cornell. In all cases, the universities gave me a chance (because of my very difficult personal history) – even though I may not have been the most qualified.
    With respect to the “dream act” students – who came to the US as young children, many of us view them differently from adult illegal and undocumented aliens. Just as the courts treat juvenile crimes differently, many of us do not agree that these students should be sent back to their home country. For many, English is their only language and the US is the only country they know. To that end, there are probably scholarships specifically earmarked for “dream act” students. My wife and I have been giving 2 (small) private scholarships for high school graduates for many years. Last year we added a 3rd scholarship – for undocumented students. So I encourage the young people you describe to pursue these scholarships.

    Finally, with respect to the greater issue of legal vs. illegal immigrants to this country – which has created great emotional debate, my hope is that the critics will look at immigrants and their contributions as a single group – a family so to speak.
    It is often argued that illegal immigrants take jobs that no one else wants. On the opposite end of the spectrum, many of the legal immigrants encounter a glass ceiling in the US. Some of these individuals are motivated to lead and fund startups of new businesses – also a job that many US born individuals consider too risky.
    In 2009, I was involved with the launch of a new technology company. We started with a staff of 11. In the next 2 years, we added 9 to our staff. For 2012 we have budgeted the addition of 6 individuals at an average compensation of 82,800 for each individual. So these are good jobs.
    The next venture that I am involved with will launch by yearend. This will be the 12th business that I helped fund or launch.
    As a member of the immigrant family – both legal and illegal – we are trying to do our part.

    And finally, to the US born citizens, thank you for giving us a chance.

    December 4, 2011 at 10:20 am |
  42. sdabby

    I enjoyed your article on the young undocumented students in Georgia. I came to the US (legally) as a foreign student in 1964 and became a US citizen 14 years later.
    It has been well known for many years that many colleges are not the best choice for foreign students – regardless of immigration status. The more liberal universities view foreign students and diversity as a strong asset. So my advice to the students you describe is to apply to larger liberal universities. I received my education at UCLA, Yale, and Cornell. In all cases, the universities gave me a chance (because of my very difficult personal history) – even though I may not have been the most qualified.
    With respect to the “dream act” students – who came to the US as young children, many of us view them differently from adult illegal and undocumented aliens. Just as the courts treat juvenile crimes differently, many of us do not agree that these students should be sent back to their home country. For many, English is their only language and the US is the only country they know. To that end, there are probably scholarships specifically earmarked for “dream act” students. My wife and I have been giving 2 (small) private scholarships for high school graduates for many years. Last year we added a 3rd scholarship – for undocumented students. So I encourage the young people you describe to pursue these scholarships.

    Finally, with respect to the greater issue of legal vs. illegal immigrants to this country – which has created great emotional debate, my hope is that the critics will look at immigrants and their contributions as a single group – a family so to speak.
    It is often argued that illegal immigrants take jobs that no one else wants. On the opposite end of the spectrum, many of the legal immigrants encounter a glass ceiling in the US. Some of these individuals are motivated to lead and fund startups of new businesses – also a job that many US born individuals consider too risky.
    In 2009, I was involved with the launch of a new technology company. We started with a staff of 11. In the next 2 years, we added 9 to our staff. For 2012 we have budgeted the addition of 6 individuals at an average compensation of 82,800 for each individual. So these are good jobs.
    The next venture that I am involved with will launch by yearend. This will be the 12th business that I helped fund or launch.
    As a member of the immigrant family – both legal and illegal – we are trying to do our part.
    And to the US born citizens, thank you for giving us a chance.

    December 4, 2011 at 10:11 am |
  43. Go Freedom Univeristy

    Freedom University is open to the undocumented students who the Board of Regents banned from Georgia's top five universities AND to students who can no longer pay for their education because of cuts to the state's Hope scholarship. Read their mission statement at http://www.freedomuniversitygeorgia.org Seems unbelievable to me that in a time of economic duress, the BOR and the Georgia legislature would scapegoat immigrants rather than force the wealthy to pay a fair share of taxes to support education. Everyone now understands that wealth disparity has increased to ridiculous levels over the past forty years and our values have been equally warped, as witnessed by the comments on this page. Really? The children of low-wage workers, whether immigrants or not, have no right to the higher education that their parents' hard work pays for (I've never seen a seperate no-tax grocery store line for undocumented immigrants, have you? ) through subsidizing everyone's food costs? Georgia pays for education through a state lottery, and certainly no one says you need documents to play. So, in our state, the poor subsidize education for the rich. Freedom University seeks to expose the real criminals here: those who exploit the public's irrational fears rather than tackle the source of the educational crisis. Freedom University is designed for people who can no longer pay their tuition due to changes in the Hope scholarship AND the undocumented students banned by the BOR. Education should not be the privilege of the few, but a right for everyone.

    December 4, 2011 at 9:51 am |
  44. Darci

    Is anyone else missing the fact her parents are here legally and somehow she is not? I would like to know who dropped the ball on that one?? How is it that parents can be here legally but their child is not?

    This article, seems to me, to be a backlash of a bigger issue- our immigration policies and processes.

    1. It's more than clear our immigration process is more than flawed and needs an overhaul. I think it's ridiculous that somehow they were able to give her parents legal status and not her. I believe that if there were a more correct process, where people aren't dropping the ball or there wasn't cracks in the system, this particular article wouldn't be written. This article wasn't talking about illegal immigrants in terms of an adult who made the choice to come here and go to school, but a child of parents, who did receive their legal status.

    2. The question about illegal immigrants and schooling: Well, if we had all of our ducks in a row, had a good process in place for legalizing immigrants, if we took care of what we needed to (as far as protecting our borders and returned illegal immigrants back to their country) this wouldn't even be a question or an issue.

    3. Reading some of the comments, I am seeing there is a definite emotion about immigration. First, I really feel that it is America's right to legally allow immigrants. I believe that a good process should be put in place and obviously, the one we have isn't working. Second, I would like to remind some people that we are still a country called America- and what I mean by that is that we need to be realistic about the amount of people we can sustain in our country. In other words, if we can't afford (have enough jobs, have enough housing, etc) for our American people first, then we definitely aren't in a position to give it to other countries people. That's just logic. I have nothing against any nationality.

    For every legal immigrant that is here, I feel they have a right to be here. They did what they were suppose to in order to be in America per what America asked of them. There shouldn't be any kind of backlash against them. They should have all American rights because, after all, aren't they wanting American status and didn't we give them the green card meaning go- you have American rights?

    I think we need to step backwards in order to more forwards at this time. I think that we need to come up with a process in immigration that works, that is clean and clear for all, that calls for reprimanding people who are dropping the ball and fix the cracks in our system.

    Yes, I do believe we need to clean house, meaning returning illegals back to their country, for the time being. I do not think or believe that all illegals aren't working their butts off to make it in this country, however, they are simply here illegally. There is no harsh feeling towards them in terms of what they are doing to our country (because the flip side would be what people are allowing as well).

    Then we need to re-look at how many immigrants we can support as a country. I know of a small farming community who relies on illegal immigrants to work on their farms. I don't know the specifics, like if these people are getting a fair wage, etc, but if our country really needs more people to work, this is when we will see it and then we can allow more legal immigrants into our country and give those immigrants the same rights. And wouldn't they want that as well? After all, aren't immigrants that come here wanting to be Americans?

    I really feel that the frustration that I am reading from some people is misguided. It's not the immigrants that they are pissed off at, it's America and it's processes and what it allows or doesn't allow. There is no way we can support every person who wants to be here and I'm sorry for that- especially when I know other countries treat their people with incredible hardship. We are only one country with limited space and resources. And I don't have all the answers.

    December 4, 2011 at 9:46 am |
  45. JOIE

    More power to these teachers and these students! This I
    s about civil rights, and some of these hateful ignorant comments are so dumb.
    These immigrants have rights too, rednecks!
    America is so injustice... No wonder other countries hate us.

    December 4, 2011 at 8:46 am |
    • palintwit

      If ever you pass by a crew of Mexicans shingling a roof or mowing a lawn, do what I do. Slow down, roll your window down, then yell out "green card" ! Watch them scatter like ants !! Great fun !!

      December 4, 2011 at 11:15 am |
      • yoreald

        WHY R U ASSUMING THAT EVERY CONSTRUCTION WORKER IS MEXICAN AND ON TOP OF THAT ILLEGAL...???..ANYMORE COGNITIVE BIAS...?

        December 4, 2011 at 11:44 am |
    • Blue Templar

      Oh look, another bigot. If someone disagrees with illegal immigrants, they must be a redneck. Grow up. Did you even read the rule of law in effect? "as long as there is a single academically qualified American applicant or legal immigrant who has been turned away." then the illegal immigrant is turned away. How is this unfair? How is this racist? It covers citizens and LEGAL immigrants first.

      December 4, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • galacticaman

      really,other countries hate us because we want our border protected.Try immigrating to any other prosperous country by just crossing the border.We'll see if they welcome you.

      December 4, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • hilo, HI

      FAIL!! Supporting a nation's immigration laws is NOT a Civil Rights issue.

      This cleverly disguised jibe at Evil Whit-ie is racist.

      December 4, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • Daffney

      Have you been listening to your liberal college professors again? My family is FAAAARRRR from racist! We are a diverse family & believe people need to come here legally. Why don't you research how Mexico, China, Noth Korea, etc treat illegal residents. We are the most generous nation on the planet.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
  46. IRAHYMA

    I find this story very moving and it shows the true spirit of the American society and the reality of the American Dream. Everything can be achieve in the US as long as you try hard enough.

    December 4, 2011 at 7:07 am |
    • hilo, HI

      -and BREAK THE LAW.

      Go for it!! If you want something, just take it, laws be damned!! -Yeah, Great message.

      December 4, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  47. Uncle Bernie

    This is a completely contrived left wing puff piece.

    December 4, 2011 at 6:20 am |
    • James

      If the people in this story encountered Al Qaeda they would of collected money to help pay for their flight school. Illegal immigrants are selfish people who spit on our laws and our land and are clearly enemies of American Patriots coast to coast. Sadly, while all the other governments of the world protect their borders, our incompetent government somehow can NOT! Looks like we need a totally new Government, one capable of doing their JOB, or at least willing to try! Obama has sold us down the river for a few tacos! IMPEACH THE CRIMINAL IN THE WH, before another 9/11 happens due to his refusal to protect our borders! Refusal to do one's job, usually results in one being FIRED! Obama is a total disgrace along with Newt and the Neo-Cons who also want to reward those who steal from "we the people" with impunity. Too bad we can't deport Congress....all except for the honest ONE, RON PAUL!

      December 4, 2011 at 6:40 am |
      • RB100

        More power to them. White americans are the ones crying foul. Yet white americans cherish their so called american dream, the spirit of those immigrants who came to this country, many seeking a better way of life, etc, The criminal is not in the WH, it is in the mindset of white americans who cry incessantly when other races get ahead.

        White americans are showing their true colors. Once again.

        December 4, 2011 at 9:33 am |
    • Blue Templar

      Actually this Reply is to RB100 who failed to read the article. "as long as there is a single academically qualified American applicant or legal immigrant who has been turned away." then the law shall turn away any illegal immigrant. Last I checked, not all legal immigrants were white. I'm sorry you're a bigot and racist against whites, but your rhetoric does not hold true in this case. Try again.

      December 4, 2011 at 11:39 am |
  48. arschlecker

    Illegal in America! You have no right to be here, you are illegal and you should be expelled from the USA. Why does America have laws to protect immigration? Why do people follow the law of the the land? Anybody who is illegally in the USA must leave. You have broken the law! get out !!!!! BS Freedom University? Freedom from obaying the laws? Are you nots!!!! Apply for a visa and wait like millions of other people who respect the law.

    December 4, 2011 at 5:56 am |
    • Garcia

      So you want all of the people who are here illegally to get out? how did many immigrants come here during the 1920's many of which were from Europe? Point is many of the americans you see today had illegal ancestors what bout them

      December 4, 2011 at 6:10 am |
      • James

        Duh...they came here LEGALLY, they didn't sneak across the border like a thief in the night. Maybe you should be the one getting the free education, you need it. But sorry, all the seats are full with criminals getting another free ride.

        December 4, 2011 at 6:43 am |
  49. And Justice For All

    God Bless Freedom University. Lets start one in Southern California ASAP!

    December 4, 2011 at 4:50 am |
    • James

      Yeah and why discriminate as too what type of criminals you want to give free education. Maybe a school for Child Molesters or Rapists sounds good to you as well. I mean why stop with just rewarding those that violate our immigration laws, that would be discrimination. What about the rest of the criminals in our society, what giveaways do you propose for them? And since you apparently don't mind being robbed, could you please post your address.

      December 4, 2011 at 6:47 am |
  50. ytuque

    The illegal immigrant from S. Korea has a lot of opportunities to study in an English language program in her home country. It would also be considerably cheaper in Korea.

    December 4, 2011 at 3:37 am |
  51. ed

    I'm just over joyed with this article. We are Americas and immigrants. We forget so fast that we killed most of the native people here. The only way short of Complete war in changing America is with teachers like this. The love they have shows even glowes from them. Too many people are worried about race instead of answers.... Like why has obamb not completed one thing that he lied to us about? Why don't we give the president a contract and if he don't follow it FIRE them.

    December 4, 2011 at 1:09 am |
    • Consequence

      Yours is a silly response – there is no justification for breaking u.s. law. one can do it, but they must be prepared to get caught and suffer the consequence. there is no point in closing ranks behind those who are in this country illegally – it is an insult to those who came here legally and to our obligation to respect the law. Illegals who disobey our laws have nothing to do with our relationship with the American Indian which is, for sure, an unfortunate legacy, but one which was decided generations ago and in a way in which indians themselves dealt with each other – violence and pressure.

      December 4, 2011 at 2:17 am |
      • Sandra

        Get an education!

        December 4, 2011 at 3:32 am |
      • James

        Sandra, he can't get an education! All the seats in our schools are fully of panhandlers from Mexico!

        December 4, 2011 at 6:48 am |
  52. OCCente

    Silly article. If only all, most, or even a large minority of illegal immigrants were like these students, perhaps we wouldn't be debating whether illegal immigrants should be welcomed into the country.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:46 am |
    • James

      Uh yes we would, as it is totally unfair to those who OBEY the law. You seem to forget even Al Qaeda came here to learn how to fly, I suppose they are wonderful people too, according to you since they wanted an education. Although if I remember correctly they PAID for their training, unlike these ILLEGAL invaders in this story who are sapping the wealth of our country. Arrest them all, deport them and BAN them from ever being a US citizen! We don't need people who totally disrespect OUR laws and we sure don't need those who encourage them. Real Patriots don't support invaders who come here to violate our laws and illegally take welfare, jobs and education paid for by US for OUR people.

      December 4, 2011 at 6:09 am |
      • JT

        Tax paying educated illegals sap our wealth? ... yet my taxes are probably paying for your trailer.

        December 4, 2011 at 10:10 am |
  53. illegal-military-educated

    After several years of persecution in my own country, my mother decided to move to the U.S. ILLEGALLY to give me a better life. The US granted us asylum while I was in grade school getting a free education and my mother working several restaurants. Got my education in public schools, went to college, and signed up for the military after I received my Permanent Residency (ie green card). While in service, I got my education with honors and now I am an engineer working for the government.
    I met many illegal immigrants, while growing up in a hispanic household, who had fake IDs to work and they ALL paid their income taxes; even more beneficial to the IRS, they never claimed their taxes because their IDs were forged. When they went shopping they paid their sales taxes too, so don't use the argument that they do not pay taxes because they do not know the loopholes that corporations know.
    It is hard for an immigrant with good intentions to become legal in this country because of the bureaucracy and red tape within the government. There should be a way to help out the immigrant have a temporary "workers permit" to allow that person to prove their worth to the American society. If they commit crimes, kick them out, if not extend their permit until they have proven themselves time and time again to earn their Permanent Residency. There are many criminals that give my hispanic community a bad name that should be deported, but they stay in this country and wreak havoc within their community.
    Many illegal immigrants send their children, legal and illegal, to an University because they want their children to get an education to better themselves. Public universities have instate and out of state tuition that ANYONE can apply for. Students who are legal can receive the subsidized instate tuition (the state government funds public universities to make it cheaper for state residents) and illegal students pay the out of state tuition (as far as I know).
    When the children of these illegal immigrants graduate from an university, they will usually stay in this country and receive higher pay so they will pay more taxes, so it is beneficial for the progress country to help out those that want to better themselves, be it legal or illegal. These kids that grow up here will never go back to their home countries because they will become Americans in heart.
    The US helps international students obtain a student visa so they can get an education so they can go back to their respective country, so why not help out people that will aggrandize this nation?
    Immigrants who do not pursue an education are needed in this country as labor to keep many products cheap, housing and groceries are two examples. Because of our desire to get a good deal, and companies need to profit to stay afloat, illegals are needed.
    Instead of going on a tirade against the illegal immigrant do it against the companies and corporations that use their status to give them below minimum wage pay. These corporations know the loopholes in our system that allow them to pay less taxes; GE is a perfect example because of their huge profits and instead of paying taxes they receive money from the government. Banks have received tons of tax-payer's money that they have not paid back or pumped into the economy because it will not be profitable for them, when they got us in this mess.
    Instead of spreading hate in this country with useless rhetoric, use your rights and make congress work to the advantage of the people, instead of the special interests of corporations. Having meaningful conversations and acting on what is right will make this country better. Which is what we all want, whether legal or illegal.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:42 am |
    • Lmx2

      illegal-military-educated, I intend absolutely no disrespect to you but what you are advocating as being beneficial for the country is what many Americans know is a threat and a disaster not only for their occupation and economy but for their country. I lived for most of my life in Texas and I can honestly say that most Americans never cared about illegal immigrants until the early 90's. Americans often said that illegals were taking jobs that Americans didn't care for such as picking fruit in the middle of nowhere. Even when Reagan gave amnesty to millions; that didn't anger many people. Problem is they are obviously not taking unwanted jobs anymore. You even stated you became a professional and went to college yourself and the article above also indicates that this is what most of these kids want. Anyone who is going to college is obviously wanting a high-paying, white-collar job or find a job that many Americans would want to do. Those jobs are in very short supply right now. Many college graduates are coming out of school right now and can not find a job even at a menial level. Compounded with the fact that they have to pay thousands in student loans and now they are faced with the prospect of competing with illegal immigrants for jobs that they dream about. Nobody and I mean NOBODY in ANY country should have to put up with competing with illegal immigrants in a job market like this. It has nothing to do with hatred. It is the legal, moral and ethical obligation of a government to make certain that it's citizens are given first chance at a job. Not people from abroad and certainly Not people who broke the law. I understand that educated illegal immigrants with careers will be able to contribute more but what does that do for the American kid who can't find a job. Recently, a Filipino immigrant named Jose Antonio Vargas won the Nobel Prize for literature and was a reporter for the Washington Post. He admitted he is also an illegal immigrant. He may be intelligent and obviously talented but the issue stands: don't you think that an American citizen would have liked to have worked for the Washington Post. That is a highly respected place to work. When you say that immigrants who do not pursue an education are needed in this country as labor to keep many products cheap, housing and groceries are two examples. This now gives an American the burden with having to compete with competing with an immigrant who will do the job for next to nothing and drive down the wage. That has been one of the biggest arguments against immigration in general. Even Cesar Chavez argued against illegal immigration for driving down wages for Hispanic pickers and breaking strike negotiations. I also agree that it is not the fault of the illegal immigrant but the corporations and the people who hire them. This is becoming a disaster for this country and it is making many people angry. Americans are seeing many jobs go abroad for cheaper manufacturing costs and immigrants coming over to this country and taking jobs. At the same time, the jobs that are available pay little and have no benefits with little chance of promotion. Anyone who does get a decent job gets it because they new someone; not because of hard work or determination. Compounded with the fact that the costs of necessities are climbing. You are asking people to enjoy a situation that is completely unacceptable. You just can't expect a citizen to find this acceptable. Not in this country, not in any country. I am an immigrant myself and came from a warzone as well when I was a child. We tried to immigrate to several other countries before ending up in the US. It took me 20 years to be a citizen. I was in the Army and in the Guard as well. I wanted to go to O.C.S. but was unable to because I wasn't a citizen. I went to college on the GI bill. I do understand the issue from the eyes of an immigrant and as a American. It really has nothing to do with hatred and ignorance at all. It is about what is right. I don't think a computer programmer in Korea would like to have his job taken from a immigrant from India or China who could do it for less money. The same that a fisherman in Peru who works in the shrimping industry has a right to be sore with the fact that his wages are being undercut from immigrants from China and Vietnam. It is becoming impossible for an individual to better his/herself in this country now. It seems that there is now chance to pull your way out of poverty and prosper. This could be done decades ago but not now. Immigration is a big negative variable that is involved in this equation for a disaster of a nation. It is also making the people in this country very hostile and bitter and I worry that it will lead to the hatred that you and many others speak of.

      December 4, 2011 at 3:32 am |
      • illegal-military-educated

        I completely understand you position Lmx2 because I also see the argument from both sides; both of us have a similar history but we have different skin color and grew up in a different area of the states.
        I was insinuating that there is a delicate balance that should be maintained to keep things affordable for the consumers and profitable for companies. Think about this country without the aid of the illegal immigrant for a second.
        The cost of life would be unbearable for ordinary Americans with minimum wage jobs and major manufacturing companies would leave this country in order to have greater profit. Why do you think that Nike, Apple, Levis, and many others have opened factories in other countries? One major reason is cheaper labor(there are other important ones but it would broaden our discussion). After the goods are made, they are imported into the US and sold to the American public at a reasonable price; if it was made here it would be more expensive. The laborer in that country will inject their earnings into their country's economy, not ours. This could be used to the advantage of our country instead.
        You also stated that if an American had the job that Jose Antonio has they would also get a Noble Prize for Literature?
        It has nothing to do with the job or the position, but that person's intelligence; no two minds are alike.
        Our country searches for highly educated people in other countries and offers them Visas to work here because our own graduates cannot compete against them. Many students who graduate from our universities, American or not, do not have the capacity to become the next Antonio or Buffet but they have the chance to be. Instead of importing knowledge shouldn't we look into our own backyard?
        Everyone in this country should have a chance to create their own version of the "American Dream", some would just need to work harder because of the position that they are in, which is the American way.
        By saying this, I do not agree with an open border, but a controlled one that allows people to come here at a controlled rate.
        There are many variables and equations in this complex problem of immigration and it is up to us to figure out what is the best solution. Illegal immigrants are intertwined in our society from the beginning, so I would not say that they are a negative variable, but a positive one that should be looked at from a different angle. It would take too long to state all of the variables that I can come up with for this blog, so I will cut it short.
        Your position is understandable because you, as an immigrant, were able to assimilate faster in this society because of your skin color (it is a factor, like it or not).

        December 4, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • mike

      Labor, especially skilled and professional labor, is a nautural resource we should be overjoyed to have. The more people we have, the more we can produce. If we make immigrants welcome, allow them to belong, and educate, train, and create jobs for them, they become producers as well as consumers producing demand. Why are we all so afraid of different people? Thank you "illegal-military-educated" for coming to this country and pitching in. I'm glad to call you a fellow American and comrade in arms. I pray our country gets over itself and realizes its wealth of unrecognized citizens and welcomes them to help make us all strong. I realize not everyone is as willing to work as hard as you, but I have certainly met more hard working immigrants than not.

      December 4, 2011 at 3:53 am |
  54. redwine9991

    Humans teaching other humans. what a great concept!!!

    December 4, 2011 at 12:38 am |
    • hilo, HI

      Humans breaking the law to get what they want -The American Way?

      December 4, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
      • Lee

        Yeah, I think so! that's American's style!

        December 5, 2011 at 2:21 am |
  55. MDILLION

    Did anyone notice that in the last ten years this family has paid an average of $1,345/yr. That wouldn't pay for one semesters meals at the SUB, forget about tuition, fees etc… She is crying about paying taxes, but the taxes she is crying about for the last ten years wouldn’t pay for mowing the football stadium. Does anyone really believe that a family of three has survived on less than $18k/yr. This is below the poverty line for a family of three. So have they been getting welfare another drag on the REAL tax payers. They probably have been living on black market money and not paid their full taxes. Let’s get a grip, this crap cannot continue. The country cannot afford these hand-outs and giveaways, which is exactly what his is.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • redwine9991

      do you feel better now?

      December 4, 2011 at 12:39 am |
    • Lagos

      I managed to live quite easily on 18k a year, a wife and kid would have been really rough to get by with but doable. It's amazing what happens when you don't spend money on anything but rent, food, and gas. Cable, cell, movies, fast food, etc etc etc add up real quick.

      December 4, 2011 at 2:19 am |
    • Logan

      Gosh! Get your facts right!

      Illegal immigrants don't qualify for any sort of welfare you moron! They don't get any handouts. This family has been scraping by with that amount of income, yes. It's because they are in such a low tax bracket that they pay so little in taxes. But what seems like little to you as a wealthy person is quite a sacrifice for them.

      Americans are so ignorant!!!!

      December 4, 2011 at 11:22 am |
      • Blue Templar

        I don't know where you live. I assume under a rock, otherwise you'd remember the true story about Obama's illegal Aunt living in the us, on our tax paying dime... as an illegal immigrant. Not to mention his Uncle who not only is here illegally but decided he didn't need to obey laws about drinking and driving as well. Your assertion that illegal immigrants cannot get on welfare, is completely false. It's one more reason california is bankrupt, it's another reason why taxes in Mass are so high.

        December 4, 2011 at 11:43 am |
      • get real

        I guess these illegals dont have kids and collect WELFARE! now the kids are US citizens now do they . Get the facts .And the schools pay more for these Kids to get Educated ,A teacher with out his /her teaching certificate gets paid less than a teacher with out a certificate that is a bilingual teacher .Does this make sense to you ?The Illegals get free Health care also ,they go to the free clinics that are taxes pay for .and as soon as they have there kid they get Foodstamps, Free housing also.

        December 4, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
      • sarah

        You cannot qualify for welfare if you are an illegal. However, you can collect with ID theft which happens. On the other hand, those using stolen ID's for employment are paying income taxes. Personally, I'm not bothered. There are plenty of hard-working illegals that deserve to be here and take full advantage of the rare opportunity for education in this nation. Then there are legals who hold everyone back because they would rather be at home on facebook and fully believe school is a waste of time. If only we could pick and choose!

        December 5, 2011 at 10:53 am |
  56. Ethan

    Could these illegal immigrants take just a small portion of time away from school and maybe, just maybe, apply it toward gaining U.S citizenship? They could capitalize on their education finally. What motivates illegal immigrants to do everything EXCEPT follow immigration procedure? In my opinion it is part ignorance and part free riding. A lot of them have no idea how legal immigration is done and a lot of them see free benefits and say gimme gimme. That is the problem with socialist programs. It starts with plenty of people producing goods that they can give away something for the "needy". Then more and more decide they want free stuff. Then the people producing the stuff get mad about more and more people taking what they produce. Soon there are more takers than producers and the system collapses. What stage do you think the U.S is in now?

    December 4, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • JJGR

      With all due respect, you really need to inform yourself. Becoming as US citizen isn't as easy as applying for a credit card. There are few options to become a US citizen (which by the way you'll have to be first a US Permanent Resident for at least 3 to 5 years before you can do it), and most of this options aren't up to the Illegal people that come to this beautiful country. There is getting married with a US Citizen (something that's not up the illegal people, this country believes in freedom they can’t just forced someone to get married), also having a US Citizen as qualifying family member, Mother, Father, Son (18 years old), or Siblings (another thing that's not up to them, nobody can determine which nationality their family members are going to be born.
      I hope this helps.

      December 4, 2011 at 1:38 am |
      • Mike

        That's the thing. There are haves and have nots. Not everyone can be an American citizen. Just like not everyone can be admitted to West Point. American citizenship is a birthright if you're born here and a gift bestowed upon those who go through the process. I went through the process and earned my American citizenship, I didn't marry a citizen, have a family member here or anything. I came here with my parents and went through the process. So, as touching as the story is, I feel nothing towards these people. Maybe Keish's parents should have had the forethought to get their daughter through the process, thereby ensuring Keish's future in America. It's not as impossible as you make it seem to be. Just a thought.

        December 4, 2011 at 2:20 am |
    • kgh

      Ethan, you cannot become a citizen if you are in the country illegally. And the problem is not that they are not citizens, a foreign citizen who is a legal resident of Georgia (or of another state) may be enrolled in the top public universities of Georgia. The problem is that they have entered the country without the permission of the US government.

      December 4, 2011 at 3:30 am |
  57. Eddy

    Only if some of our American citizens work as hard as these illegal students

    December 3, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
    • Aaron

      I had that same thought!!

      December 4, 2011 at 12:16 am |
    • CheckhisGreenCard

      Cause your both lazy

      December 4, 2011 at 12:24 am |
    • Chris

      Most do...working hard is a matter of opinion, usually someone elses' opinion! LOL!

      December 4, 2011 at 12:24 am |
    • Blue Templar

      Maybe they would if they knew they'd get a free ride like illegal aliens do. I know I'd work harder if I wasn't going to be discriminated against for being a native born citizen of the US.

      December 4, 2011 at 11:45 am |
  58. kyle

    1) Illegals working in the US pay US income tax, sales tax, property tax so why shouldn't they receive the benefits like education that those taxes pay for?
    2) An illegal who went through school and got a 4.0 and is trying to get into a top university is 100x more useful to america then some stupid US citizen sitting on their fat as* and collecting welfare.
    3) Nothing like an immigration article on CNN to bring out all the stupid, retarded, ignorant bigots that think they have more right to be in america then anyone else.

    December 3, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
    • Chris

      Let's not get it all "facebook" twisted... that is a rumor that all illegals pay taxes. The truth is, the vast majority do NOT pay taxes, do NOT take part in community affairs, or involve themselves in anything past their own survival as an illegal. There are some cases such as Keish that deserve special merit!

      December 3, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
    • Thomas

      I think if the family can show they've been paying their taxes and exception can be made despite the fact the family is in the USA illegally. I do not feel amnesty for illegal aliens is appropriate, nor do I think the USA should continue to offer citizenship just because the child was born on US soil, this is an archaic interpretation that should be changed immediately by Congress. And how many schools or other public services are forced to provide language services to non English speakers? The Spanish language community will never let an English (only) as the official language of the USA only amendment to pass. Here we need to compromise and Congress should make English and Spanish the official languages of the USA. This will stop other language groups from continuing to demand services in their own native languages which is unfair to communities and tax payers.

      December 3, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
      • Another Thomas

        English, and English only, should be made the official language of the United States. When you take Spanish or French classes in school they are foreign languages. key word; "foreign." If Spanish is made an official language in the US it would be a travesty. We would basically be saying, "Enough people have flooded our country illegally, let's reward them." It's a terrible idea.

        December 4, 2011 at 12:16 am |
      • Morgan

        English is not the official language of the government nor will it ever be because it would defeat the founding father's purposes in creating this country that was supposed to welcome everybody. We should go back to that instead of having american citizenship be one of the hardest in the western world to attain. And as to Another Thomas you are completely ignorant. America doesn't have an official language becuase few people in America can claim that their nationality is actually American. Most people's ancestors immigrated here from non english countries. And I would also like to point out that we expect people in our country to speak English but when American tourists go to other countries they expect the people there to speak English. We really need to get over ourselves.

        December 4, 2011 at 2:01 am |
      • sarah

        There are plenty of native Texans who speak Spanish and have lived there for generations longer than TX itself existed. TX was a still a part of Mexico when they were born. No one can legitimately claim they are not Americans for speaking another language. That's ridiculous and ignorant. If their communities have done well using another language, there isn't much to criticize. The idea that all people who speak Spanish all came from over the border is also very ignorant. There are Spanish-speakers who have been American for generations longer than many other Americans.

        December 5, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • James

      Yep, and once they realize CRIME PAYS IN THE USA, why should they follow any of our laws? Why should we feel sorry for people who are clearly criminals who come here to steal from us. They are the same as someone who illegally breaks jumps over your fence, breaks into your home, eats your food and cleans out your bank account. I suppose you would have us educate their children in response. I got a better idea....lock and load!

      December 4, 2011 at 6:20 am |
      • MJ

        James – your Fox News sound bites are beyond old and overplayed. Put a sock in it.

        Everyone else – I am a white American citizen (not that it matters, but just for emphasis) who works in a public high school that is largely hispanic/latino. What most people don't see is that the majority of these kids have no control over the fact that they were brought or sent here as children. Imagine coming to this country when you are a toddler and the US is all you have known. You're whole life is here...family, friends, school, work... and ignorant people are telling you that you are a criminal and should go back to where you came from. Students are being punished for the actions of their parents. That is like saying because your dad stole a car, you should be imprisoned. Ummm no. Not how things work...

        December 4, 2011 at 10:35 am |
      • Blue Templar

        This is for MJ, nice dig about Fox news, glad to see you had no other point. Newsflash, illegal aliens commit other crimes all the time. How about Obama's Uncle? Not only here illegally... drove while drunk. LAUGHED about it in court.

        December 4, 2011 at 11:47 am |
  59. Fernella

    I'm engaged to an US citizen and will be moving to the USA when we get married. The paperwork required is lengthy and time-consuming. Why should illegal aliens get in freely and people like me have to jump through immigration hoops? Whether they moved to the USA when they were 2 or 22, they are breaking the law. If they loved the USA so much they would abide by its laws.

    December 3, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • Michele

      Congratulations! I love seeing people come to this country legally rather than having no respect for the process or the laws. I wish all of the illegals were as descent as you.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
    • kyle

      You are also doing it the easy way, by marrying a US citizen. For most people the challenge of becoming a US citizen is simply unattainable and anyone who truly loves and believes what america stands for would do the exact same thing for their family that these immigrants are doing.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
      • Proud to be legal immigrant

        Kyle – Yes it is difficult to come to this country and become a citizen but not impossible. It is difficult because this country has so much to offer. Nobody wants to go become a citizen of third world country. There is a legal way of doing it and a procedure is in place to do it. So why not follow it. Crossing the border makes one a simple criminal. These peopel are simply invading a country because they 'belive in american way'. Really if you believe in american way then following the law is also one of it. It is not a right to become a citizen of this country or any country – do you understand that???

        December 3, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
    • Angela

      Amen Fernella. I have a lot of coworkers who worked hard and followed all the proper channels to come here legally. It is a slap in the face to them and any other hard working legal immigrant for illegals to recieve anything. Illegals have every opportunity to follow the same proper channels and get legal status. Why should they be rewarded for not doing so? There are many immigrants that are legal and have a 4.0 that can not get into college. Why should the illegal be there just because they broke the law? Seriously, this makes no sense.

      December 3, 2011 at 11:20 pm |
    • James

      Welcome, you are the kind of immigrant we respect and want as a fellow citizen! Thank you for respecting my country and laws, in return you earned my respect. Again welcome to the USA!

      December 4, 2011 at 6:23 am |
      • Giolo

        God bless America! You are an american!

        December 4, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • Giolo

      Oh please.........If you did not find an american citizen, you will be crossing the border too! America should secure the borders and allow those to stay if they are tax payers and law abiding citizens and allow everyone to go to school should they choose to go to college.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:55 am |
  60. nima

    As David Latterman said, for native American, there are 300 millions illegal in USA. There are illegal all over the world. Go to Africa and you will learn more about White African. They were brought there by there parents to steal the African resources. Do you know that the chocolate or the coffee, the gold or the diamond, the petrol and the gaz are exploited by White African who have settled there since the colonization time. Now that we African are educated and undersdand the game, should we denied them the land or send them somewhere else? think twice and come out we solutions. Let deal with the issue and find ways to secure the border...If you are a Republican, this is what will show me that you are truly a Christian

    December 3, 2011 at 8:48 pm |
    • Jay

      You don't sound very educated, your reply has terrible grammar, can't stay on the topic, and seems more like another africa-american preaching about inequality..

      If two illegal, or non-US Citizens enter the United States, and their child is born on US soil, then that child is a US citizen. Much like your "white africans". If are born there, then you are from there

      December 4, 2011 at 10:45 am |
      • nima

        Your analyis is a good sign of your ignorance. My language barriere is not reflecting my knwolege. Not everybody is fluent in English...My knowledges and skills brought me in this country because they need your country need it. Open yours eyes and look around you. All the smart people working in hospital and technologie areas in this country are immigrants. They were able to come easier because you need their competencies to take care of you and the others... The criminals are those who are doing afairs trades around the world and are selfish and hypocrites. Lets deal with them first. Your grandparents who came in this country came illegally because there were looking for better life...so does the illegal. Let's find good ways as Mewt Gingrich, Paul Rayon, Rick Perry have suggested.

        December 4, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  61. corntrader19

    This is a good place for a raid by ICE. While these criminals are taking their classes, it would be good for them to get a lesson on what is against the law since they seem to be completely ignorant of that.

    December 3, 2011 at 8:40 pm |
    • Elmo

      Keep up with your country's law. ICE is not deporting youth. It is also not deporting people that do not have a criminal record. Learn your own law. I am sure you break it all the time driving while dumb or something along those lines.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • Giolo

      Why are you calling them criminals? That's not right! You don't know them t all for you to judge them!

      December 4, 2011 at 9:46 am |
  62. supporthomefirstdotcom

    Although I am not against education, I am against it for illegal immigrants on my dime. These people are comittting a crime simply by being in this country without permission, why should we reward a crime by allowing them to attend a university especially considering that most of them use precious funding that we need to educate citizens.

    The fact is that we do not have enough funding to cover our own citizens much less an illegal alien whom will not refund the system by paying taxes. How can anyone justify this huge drain on our financial resources?

    We need to allocate our resources to educating the citizens and stop rewarding criminals.

    December 3, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • nima

      For you this person is an illegal. As David Latterman said, for native American, there are 300 millions illegal in USA. There are illegal all over the world. Go to Africa and you will learn more about White African. They were brought there by there parents to steal the African resources. Do you know that the chocolate or the coffee, the gold or the diamond, the petrol and the gaz are exploited by White African who have settled there since the colonization time. Now that we African are educated and undersdand the game, should we denied them the land or send them somewhere else? think twice and come out we solutions. Let deal with the issue and find ways to secure the border...If you are a Republican, this is what will show me that you are truly a Christian

      December 3, 2011 at 8:42 pm |
      • CheckhisGreenCard

        I'm native american. This isn't africa. I want illegal immigrants out of my country. Dont twist what happened to my people to benefit your argument as$

        December 4, 2011 at 12:22 am |
      • Jay

        Nima, for starters, stop developing your arguments based on what a comedian says at 11 o'clock at night. He doesn't even write his own material.

        December 4, 2011 at 10:49 am |
      • nima

        Wherever I got the quote from is not important. The fact is that your grand parents came in this country illegally. they even killed innocent to take their land and resources. Stop given me lessons about laws, and moral....Your history is something else that legal...

        December 4, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Elmo

      This program is not on your dime, unless you are a donor of Freedom U. Read the news first. Or better yet, enroll in school so you can learn how to read.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • Alice

      A) This University isn't paid for with taxpayer funds. B) The girl in question is the daughter of parents who have tax ID numbers and have been paying taxes for years.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
  63. jasen

    I've learned a couple things from these boards:

    a) i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
    b) i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
    c) i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
    d) USA is full of idiots who proclaim the child of an illegal family is at fault.
    e) I'd rather deport white trash that hog the lines at welfare centeres, because they dont have a job nor try to get one... here's an idea submit an application twice a day to different companies which means 60 a month, you are bound to find a job. its not hard, its that americans give up to quickly and expect the government to lend a hand.
    f) i hope illegals who have worked hard, paid taxes , and lived in accordance to all laws receive pardon and to live and prosper in a country where we reward those who look to succeed.

    December 3, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • AngryAmerican

      Hey shytt for brains. Theyre illegal. the end of the story

      December 3, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
    • Lola

      Don't give up Jasen. Look at these people in this video. Together they've tried to make this planet (and Georgia) liveable.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • Lola

      Don't give up Jasen. Look at these people in this video. Together they've tried to make this planet (and Georgia) livable.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • steve

      As the article said, these students take limited resources away from citizens and legal immigrants. Why do you hate your fellow citizen?

      December 3, 2011 at 8:14 pm |
    • Giolo

      HI Jasen,

      I agree with you. I believe they should be allowed to go to college,as long as they are abiding citizens! after all we are children of God!

      December 4, 2011 at 9:41 am |
  64. Lola

    Just so everyone knows - in Georgia immigrant students without gov't authorization to be in the States PAY OUT OF STATE TUITION. They may have lived in Georgia since infancy, gone through k-12 here, with their parents PAYING TAXES with the TAXPAYER ID issued by the US gov't, but they can't apply LIKE FOREIGN students can, to the UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA no matter how qualified they are. Georgia deserves to stay at the bottom of the rankings in education for making up stupid policies like this.

    All of you complaining about your tax money - ask the IRAQ war contractors for it back and the BANKs! By pitting us middle and working class people against each other, making us hate each other's children, the rich and powerful in our society can laugh in their multiple mansions while we tear each other apart over scraps.

    Kudos to Keish! To all these hard working people and the professors. Educated people. A revolutionary idea. And by the way UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA STUDENTS voted against the ban too - and the campus newspaper came out against the ban and did favorable stories about freedom university. Thank god for smart GEORGIA STUDENTS.

    December 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • George

      Lay off the paranoia pills.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
      • Lola

        You do a disservice to the argument at hand when you take time to make a pointless, discrediting comment without offering anything substantial yourself.

        December 4, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • Troubled.Alex

      These illegal immigrants have 30 other universities in Georgia from which to choose. Why don't they just go to one of those? What's the problem with the others?

      December 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
  65. Elizabeth

    It doesn't matter what any of you think or say. The U.S.A. government will do nothing, good bad or indifferent. It doesn't matter what party, Repbulican or Democrat... they will do nothing so why talk about it? The laws of our country have been broken and, if it were any other law, there would be consequences... but not here. Politicians want votes and, therefore, won't offend anyone. The law of the land is now that its pefectly okay to break the law if you want to.

    December 3, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
    • DonBeal

      Are you nuts? Any politician who seems even remotely supportive of illegal aliens is committing political suicide. No matter how hard-working, ambitious, or patriotic some of these people are, it isn't good enough. The right wing will crucify anyone who gives these people any credit even for the most humane reasons. It's often quite a contrast. We'll take some idiotic, intellectually barren, "American" fool over a smart, courageous, ambitious immigrant or child of an immigrant.

      December 3, 2011 at 5:54 pm |
  66. Lmx2

    Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister of the Nazi party once said "If you tell a lie, tell a big one. Tell it a thousand times and then it will become true." That is the case for illegal immigrants who are in every country of the world. Especially when these people and those teachers who show sympathy identify themselves with the civil rights movement of African-Americans in the 60's. They continue to scream "racism" or "Xenophobia" any time anyone says no to their demands.Another myth that I love to hear is that they "do the jobs that lazy Americans just don't do!" If that was the case then why do they need to go to college? That is a lie of course. I am an immigrant myself. My family immigrated from Northern Ireland in the 1970's. We tried to emigrate to other countries at first, such as Canada or Australia. Permanent visas to those countries were denied to my parents because they were educated professionals and those countries already had too many educated citizens but were in need of laborers and trades people. Hard to believe but true. America was actually the last choice. My mother had always heard that the USA was a dangerous and violent place but it gave us a visa. We did everything the right way. Growing up, we had to go to the post office every year to and register our status and show where we live. We tried for citizenship and paid thousand of dollars of lawyer fees and INS registration fees. We did become citizens...twenty years later. Yes. That is how long it took us. I am sorry but I have nothing but contempt for anyone who comes here illegally. It is not about racism. There are currently over 50,000 people from Ireland in this country who are here illegally. They could have come hear legally like my family or simply could have gone to another country that would have accepted them. I have no sympathy for them and I promise you that these people are not picking fruit, growing produce and doing the other jobs that "Americans just won't do." There are many laws in life that may be unfair. Canada has free national health care. Our system is terrible and extremely expensive and many people can't afford it. Does that mean that Americans should be able to go to Canada and live off of their health care system when it suits them and be a thorn in the side of the Canadian tax payer? We may be able to cry "xenophobia" or "no human being should be denied health care" but that is not right. Canada has no moral obligation to care for anyone but it's own citizens. The USA is the one to care for it's own citizens. Illegal immigrants and their supporters either don't see or refuse to see a similar sort of logic when it comes to immigration.

    December 3, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • STFU

      It is easy to make an ignorant and uneducated comment like yours when you're typing behind a keyboard, pretending to be so righteous and patriotic. But I would bet that there are many Illegal inmigrants in thIs country who pay their taxes, follow all laws, and are better productive members of society than you are. Before you speak about the issue at hand, maybe you should do some research and educate yourself a little better. Because you fail to realize that it is not just illegal inmigrants who contribute to this country's financial decline. Did you know that the walfare system, the health system ,the legal system and pretty much every other system this country has in place to benefit its citizens is abused by many of its own citizens? for example, the unemplyment sytem. Many people claim unemployment benefits while working a side job, there goes our tax money. Many people claim walfare when they don't need it, there goes our tax money again. And many people break the law and commit crimes and our tax money pays to house them in prisons and county jails. The irony is that most of those people i'm referring to are not illegal inmigrants. This great nation has bigger issues to worry about than illegal inmigrant students receiving an education. And if you and your family wanted to move to Canada instead of the U.S. then maybe you should take your ignorant-self to that country and stay there. Because, nobody will cry if you do.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
      • Woody

        Let me get this straight, STFU...you post that "you would bet..." and claim Lmx2 is hiding anonymously behind a keyboard? Lmx2 is sharing a valid point based on personal testimony and you're doing what based on what? I think you are the uneducated and ignorant biased idiot, not LMX2.

        December 3, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
      • Lmx2

        STFU, I am sorry that you feel that way but my statement and knowledge on the matter is not based on ignorance but based on first hand experience of being an immigrant to this country. My family and I tried to immigrate from a dangerous country and seek a better life else where. We tried other countries legally but were denied access so we tried the USA. I came to this country at a time when immigration laws were much more strict and only 600,000 were let in each year. We followed all of the rules. I know exactly what it is like to go through the process of becoming a legal resident and becoming a citizen. Along with the hours of waiting in lines at the Immigration offices for years and being treated like trash by the people who work there. I probably have more knowledge on this subject then most of the people commenting on this board. As for education, I do have two bachelor degrees and a masters degree as well. I paid for this while on the G.I. bill after being in the Army and the National Guard. Along with studying abroad in Europe and Latin America and have traveled extensively throughout those two continents. To be honest, I really think I learned more while traveling through Latin America and Europe for a few months then I did spending years at a University but that is not the matter at hand. My wife is Mexican-American. She is a bi-lingual teacher in a suburb of Dallas, Texas and teaches mostly illegal-immigrant children from Latin-America. I have even volunteered my own time helping these kids in after-school programs. I used to organize soccer games for these kids too. I have to admit; I am a sucker when it comes to kids and feel sorry for them. Most of these kids would rather stay at the school then go home and play in a dangerous apartment. Believe me, the American tax payers who live in the wealthy part of town are the ones who are paying for these children to be educated. Most of these children live in apartments, have many (at least 3) siblings and have only one parent and that parent usually has one job working for menial wages. These parents don't pay any property tax and their tax contribution is very little to account for the cost of educating these children. I am not arguing that people in this country abuse the social systems. People do that in every country that offers them and this one is no exception. Believe me I have seen this first hand. I worked in law enforcement and once owned a business that renovated homes for Section 8 housing. It used to anger and disgust me when I saw people taking advantage of the system while the people who genuinely did need it were denied it. I am talking about immigration and the legal and illegal abuse of it. I was just simply stating that immigration is not a RIGHT. It is a PRIVILEGE. An immigration policy is not what is best for the IMMIGRANT. It is about what is best for the COUNTRY. I also consider myself and American. Not an immigrant or one of these hyphenated-American fools but an American. Your statement did nothing but prove me right. People like you who say they are against racism and ignorance break into a rage on this issue and start using hate speech yourself. Such as "Hey white man, go back to Europe"; or in your case, "go live in Canada". It is people like you who give immigrants like myself, especially every Hispanic and every legal Latin Immigrant a bad image. You make every immigrant sound like a spoiled brat. " We demand this! We demand that! If you disagree with me you are a racist! Go back to Europe!" That seems to be the battle cry of people like you. It is people like you who are starting to make Americans resent immigrants in this country. They are just reacting rationally. They are not only seeing this behavior on the net and on the tv but with their own eyes. American see millions of people coming into this country who demand that they be given access to every benefit that a citizen and are not even grateful but shout hate speech. That is not paranoia; that is fact!

        December 4, 2011 at 2:08 am |
      • Woody

        People like me? What do you know about me? Sounds to me like you are the racist making charges against me simply because I don't agree with your reply to Lmx2. Where in my reply did I state any position on immigration or immigrants, illegal or legal?

        December 4, 2011 at 10:02 am |
  67. .Ralph

    The illegal immigration problem is multifaceted and there is only one cure; and it is admittedly bitter, but nonetheless, necessary.

    So many people are forgiving pacifists, ie, "don't punish the child for the sin of the parent(s)", ect.. I submit that argument is a PERVISION of the principal. In its proper application, is to not to punish a child, for the actions of a parent that committed a crime, perhaps robbery, perhaps murder; AND importantly, the child had BOTH no part in the commission of the crime, AND/OR, DERIVES NO BENNEFIT FROM THE CRIME.

    THE MINOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DO DERIVE BENEFIT FROM THE PARENTS CRIMINAL ACTS, ie, USA residency, USA education, USA benefits, and eventually USA legal residency, if not citizenship. Specifically, the originally minor child eventually leverages their parents crime, to then get legal residency for the parents.

    And the illegal immigrant adults can greatly improve their chances of success, IF they conceive an so called ANCHOR BABY. Specifically, "Boo hoo, you're not going to deport the illegal immigrant parent of a USA born citizen, and thereby make the child an orphan?"

    For your information, a USA born child of illegal immigrants, can legally DEMAND A GREEN CARD for their parents when the child becomes 18 years old!

    So the only answer, no matter how harsh some might think, is to finally stop rewarding the criminal activities of illegal immigrants and deport the parents, and their so called blameless foreign born children.

    And while some will argue that the harsh conditions in the illegal immigrants home country somehow justifies the illegal immigrant crimes; neither do I accept that rational. The USA can't fix all the problems in other countries. And similarly, the presumed plight of citizens of other countries, is the RESPONSIBILITY OF OTHER GOVERNMENTS!

    And furthermore, the USA allows 1 MILLION legal immigrants a year. That is more than the collective total of every other country in the world! So why should the USA be somehow obligated to absorb another 700,000 illegal immigrants yearly?

    In conclusion, I welcome any immigrant that complies with USA immigration laws. And I CONDEM any one who "cuts the line" so to speak, and enters the USA illegally

    The USA has a responsibility to protect and nurture USA citizens, and the immigrants that pass the screening process, and comply with USA laws and regulations. The USA has neither the legal, nor moral obligation to reward ANY action by ANYONE that immigrates illegally!

    December 3, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
    • etr

      I totally agree with every single thing you said. It is unfortunate for both sides, their side as well as the other side, citizens and legal immigrants. If some foreign person really wants to move to the US, there are plenty of LEGAL ways to do so. Rather than taking shortcuts and jumping in illegally.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
      • Elmo

        Would you outline those ways for the rest of the readers? What exactly are the ways to migrate for poor brown or black people? I mean if you are coming from Ireland, it is not a problem. My wife came from Ireland. She did not need a visa. If you are coming from Mexico or Guatemala or Tanzania, the story is quite different. This IS about race, class, misinformation and fear. Please inform yourself before posting.

        December 3, 2011 at 9:00 pm |
  68. ENGLISH PLEASE!

    Anyone that doesnt think we have a immigration problem, please visit San Antonio, Texas. Look for a job, you better speak spanish or you wont get the job. If you like your neighbors having 4 families living in a single dwelling home (2 bedroom)this place is for you. If your kids go to school they will probably get stuck in bi-lingual school which means six graders at maybe a second grade level. Crime, and drunkeness, gangs, all mexican tributed. Secure the borders, and punish any employer who hires one. Deport all illegals, before it is to late, like here. Americans are the minority here. Many mexican people say theyre taking back their land. Someone remind illegals to speak English, this aint mexico yet!

    December 3, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • dont worry about it

      become educated on the matter before you write out remarks. mexicans are a mix of spanish and native american
      yah thats right native american. basically they have more of a right to be in the us than you do. beside the nation was born of immigration. i know that you are not native to this land so. what does that tell you. stop talking like a boy and think like a man.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
    • Andy

      For someone who is emphasizing the importance of the preservation of English, you sure do make a lot of grammatical mistakes on your comment.

      December 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • jasen

      english isnt the official language in the US..

      there is none, and like the person above said, if your going to advocate something especially a language, make sure you do it grammatically correct.... no?

      December 3, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • Elmo

      Aprende español y deja de quejarte. Si no aprendes español, no vas a encontrar trabajo. Ese es tu miedo, verdad?

      December 3, 2011 at 9:01 pm |
      • hey elmo, or jose!

        STFU and speak English you POS

        December 4, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • STFU

      Congratulations ENGLISH PLEASE,
      you just won the award for the dumbest comment posted on this article. And your writing is worse than a 5th grader's. Looks to me like you need a lesson in English and grammar my friend.

      December 3, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
    • Teacher

      English Please! Upper case letter for Mexican. San Antonio is one fine city. Have a nice day!

      December 4, 2011 at 7:50 am |
    • Rano

      Write in English please!!

      December 4, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
  69. America turned mexican

    It is so sad that our great country wants to let thieves from mexico invade our land and slowly steal everything our forfarthers have fought for, and our ignorant people want to give them everything they want. For everyone that wants amnesty to illegals, sneak into mexico with your family and see what they will give you, better yet demand they allow your kids go to college there, and have children there, and demand food stamps,welfare,etc, etc... if you live, let me know what you got,,lol...

    December 3, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
    • CONGOMAN

      DO NOT CALL AMERICA YOUR LAND.IT'S A NO MAN'S LAND.EVEN YOUR GRAND FATHERS TOOK IT FROM OTHER.PESE BIEN TES MOTS

      December 3, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  70. Nitram62

    This is a very sensitive subject on both sides of the issue. I am a Mexican born, American raised citizen and US Army veteran of the Gulf War. I've been wrestling with this subject for some time now, especially since I hvae a high schooler. On one side, being an home owner, tax paying American, I definitely feel our own kids should have first rights to a college education but here is my delima. Being that tax paying American and wanting my kids to be able to go to college, yeah! no one here illegally shouldn't be able to go to college over my kids who were born here. What right do they have?.

    On the other side, I was one of those children who no choice of my own went where the parents went. Think about it, those parents, like any other parents from what ever county they live in or come from, want something better for their children.
    In my particular case, I had bi-national parents. My father was from Mexico and my mother was from the US. My father, during the WWII worked in the ship yards and that's how they eventually met through mutual acquaitance. I eventually came into the scene years later. My parents traveled between both countries but eventually they split up and my mother returned back to the states and this is the country I call home. I grew up here in the states, became a law abiding, productive citizen of the United States and have three children. I drew this picture of my past to help you understand that I was one of those children, with no choice of my own, but as I grew up, I had plenty of choices. I was a good kid, a good student, I didn't get into trouble with the law nor cause any touble in my community and I have instilled that in my children.

    Now when one of my children tells me that a friend of their's can't go to college because he's not legally here, that's when I started leaning in favor of this article. This kid, with good grades, participated in all high school activities and never got into trouble with the law would not be allowed to go to a public college/university because he is not here legally at no fault of his own.

    This is when my citizenship as a Human Being kicks in. Yes, I want what's best for my children, but should any child who has work just as hard to achive something better than their parents did be denied that opportunity? I say no, but there should be a fair method for this situation.

    If that child has shown through out their young lives to be a good productive, law abiding "Citizen", they should have an opportunity too! Since the states use some type of a percentage system to determine the number of out of state students over our local state students, they could use that same type of system too for our students that didn't have a choice where they were going to be raised. REMEMBER, THE UNITED STATES IS AND ALWAYS THE LAND OF OPPOTUNITY.

    December 3, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
    • Elmo

      Thank you for sharing your story and point of view. The other important point is that many of us who do pay taxes would much rather see it go to education for all, than to a stupid war or some other wastefulness. And those of you who insist on seeing the immigration problem as a Mexican problem should watch the damn video. Keish is Korean! But of course, this is not about immigration really, it is about racism and hatred. Hating brown people. So shameful. America is a great country. All these racist ignorant people are the ones that need to be deported. How about to hell?

      December 3, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
  71. Chupacabras

    yall just jelouse cause they smart and ur not . white trash

    December 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • Spelling

      You all are just jealous because they are smart and you are not. Who is the white trash on this message board? Whatever ethnicity you are, please do not comment again. This is just embarrassing.

      December 3, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
      • boxer56

        Your the dumb one here , aprender a hablar español you probability don't know spanish. Foghlaim gaeilge a labhairt Aww probability to dumb to know irish. Lernen Sie Deutsch sprechen that's bad your probability german and don't know your own race language that's bad man your a disgrace to your own race you are such an idiot you know. Don't make fun of people you consider "dumb" all right.

        December 3, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • CheckhisGreenCard

      Cute... He almost knows english. Go home?

      December 3, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
      • boxer56

        Aww what's the matter with you white man, did you forgot all y'all came from europe and bought with you imperialism, diseases, greed, racism, and genocide. You forgot we we're here before any of you cross the north altantic ocean. So who's the real illegal alien now . You go home back whatever country in europe your race is from.

        December 3, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
      • Elmo

        English, with a capital E. You almost know English too. So cute.

        December 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
      • AGHA ATA.

        Mr. Boxer .. You said "You forgot we we're here before any of you..." Some Indians heard you. They are laughing. ha ha ha ha

        December 3, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
      • jasen

        most mexicans are a mix of native americans and of spaniard descendant..

        GOOD JOB! /s

        December 3, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
      • CheckhisGreenCard

        Yup.. I didn't use a capitol E, so therefore my understanding of the "English" (for Elmo the angry mexican) language is lacking, according to you. Correct? As well as "punch drunk mexican boxer's" assumption that I don't have a say, due to my ethnicity. Guess what? I'm Potowatami Indian. That's a North American tribe originally based near the Great Lakes. I still live in Indiana, just like my ancestors. My opinion counts. No matter how badly you wish to discredit me. I'm tired of the immigration debate. Illegal is Illegal till the law says otherwise. Fact.

        December 4, 2011 at 1:01 am |
  72. Ralph

    This illegal immigration problem is multifaceted and the cure is bitter.

    So many people are forgiving pacifists, ie, "don't punish the child for the sin of the parent(s)". I submit that argument/ defense is a PERVISION of the principal. Its proper application is not to punish a child, for a parent that committed a crime, perhaps robbery, perhaps murder; AND importantly, the child had BOTH no part in the commission of the crime, AND/OR, derives NO BENNEFIT FROM THE CRIME.

    THE CHILDREN DO DERIVE BENEFIT FROM THE PARENTS CRIMINAL ACTS, ie, USA benefits, and eventual legal residency, if not citizenship. Which is THEN leveraged by the so called blameless child, to get residency for the parents.

    And the illegal immigrant adults can further guarantee their success, IF they conceive an so called ANCHOR BABY.

    For your information, a USA born child of illegal immigrants, can DEMAND A GREEN CARD for their parents when the child becomes 18 years old!

    So the only answer, no matter how harsh some might think, is to finally stop rewarding the bad decisions of anyone who engage in criminal activities and enter the USA illegally!

    And while some will argue that the harsh conditions in the illegal immigrants home country somehow justifies their crimes; neither do I accept that rational. The USA can't fix all the problems in other countries. And similarly, the presumed plight of illegals is the RESPONSIBILITY OF OTHER GOVERNMENTS!

    And furthermore, the USA allows 1 MILLION legal immigrants a year. That is more than the collective total of every other country in the world permits.

    So I welcome any immigrant that complies with USA immigration laws. And I CONDEM any one who "cuts the line" so to speak, and enters the USA illegally

    December 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Conroegirl

      Ralph

      A well stated argument, without racisim only facts.

      December 3, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
  73. cal

    God created men to be free. I would fight too.

    December 3, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • boxer56

      Amen to that.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
      • Elmo

        I know, really. What would Jesus do?

        December 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
      • Giolo

        I second to that. Amen!

        December 4, 2011 at 10:01 am |
  74. Steve

    There are many sad stories involving immigration. Bottom line illegal is illegal. Nothing to do with race only with the law that is in place. My family came here legally, so did my wife. What message does it send to people like us who have obeyed this countries laws when others can cut the line or have a baby here brought in by an illegal host?

    December 3, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • cal

      It's easy to forget were you came from.

      December 3, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  75. Rick McDaniel

    The illegal immigrant problem has to be dealt with. While we can sympathize with those looking for the American Dream, but that is just a myth, in the first place. It always was.

    Now the American Dream is something associated with the past.......as it is unlikely to be seen again.

    December 3, 2011 at 11:47 am |
  76. Glaird

    This is a free country. That means private citizens can contribute to any particular cause they see fit. That means property owners can allow their property to be used in anyway they see fit. This of course, excludes criminal enterprises. So, if someone feels moved to pay for an illegal alien's education, fine.
    My objection to illegal aliens pushing their way into America, is the tendency to leech taxpayer resources and services away from citizens. As the board of regents rightly pointed out, every illegal resident, sitting in a classroom seat in a publicly funded university, is stealing that seat from an American citizen.

    December 3, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Nitram62

      Glaird, since when have "little green men" from Mars been coming here to the US illegally. Are we now re-classifying illegal immigrants as non human?

      December 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
      • DictionaryPlease

        Nitram62, "alien" is a term used to describe a person who is a non-citizen resident of a country, as well as little green men from outer space. How is it that you were born Mexican and living in America, and you've never heard the term "illegal alien"?

        December 3, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
      • Amused1944

        An 'immigrant' is a person from another country that enters the borders of another, legally. An 'illegal alien' is one who enters illegally. There is no such thing as 'illegal immigrant'. If an ALIEN (from another world) would land on Earth, his first question would be, "Is there intelligent life here?"

        December 5, 2011 at 7:45 am |
  77. palintwit

    Old, abandoned airplane hangars can be used to temporarily house illegal Mexicans while they are waiting to be processed for deportation. They can then be sent back to Mexico in buses and rail cars.

    December 3, 2011 at 11:45 am |
  78. LC

    Keish's story is one of great inspiration. So many times we take our educational opportunities for granted and yet there are others who, not being afforded the same opportunity either here in the U.S. or otherwise, that are desperate to learn and eager to learn. Getting a higher education should not just be about getting a "degree" but about taking advantage of an opportunity to better yourself, your family, and your community. So many times we forget this. Thanks Keish for having the courage to share your story. –inspired Phd student

    December 3, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • Elmo

      Keish is brave, smart and inspirational. Thank you Keish! The majority of America loves you. Ignore the ignorants.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
  79. Alex

    Maaaanyyy Americans think that all illegals ran through the mexico border...........ignorants, what a lack of world. Many of the illegals over stay their visas as students as tourist WHYYYY?????? Because the immigration department is a mess, their website has an app to check your status if your are applying for residency but at the same time at the end of the web page in litle letters say. "we are not responsable if the information display in this page is not accurate" sooo How the hell can we know who the proccess is going?????? OH! yea call ok ,prepare yourself to wait in line LITERALLY for 10 hours and maybe after 8 hours the call drops. THE IIMIGRATION DEPARTMENT IS MADE TO SCREW THE STATUS OF PEOPLE SO THEY DONT IMMIGRATE LEGALLY HERE. And the Mitt romeny says "We love legal immigration", clearly this guy doesnt even know that an immigration department exist. Hillbilly from the country side think that ALL ILLEGALS RAN THROUGH THE MEXICO BORDER

    December 3, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • CheckhisGreenCard

      A million people legally become citizens every year in the u.s. Which is more than any other country in the world. So your theory is complete crap. Illegal is illegal

      December 3, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • casual_observer

      Alex, why are you so angry? "It takes 10 hours on hold" or something... That is your excuse for not doing the right (legal) thing? Pathetic excuse!
      As some of the other commenters, I am a legal immigrant who did things the LEGAL way. So did my wife's family.

      I am sick of the bleeding hearts trying to help lawbreakers to jump the line. I hope that all of them get prosecuted. There is a way of getting your stay legalized, why don't these people research it? Oh wait, that is too much work...

      December 3, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
      • Elmo

        You must be Canadian or European. Why don't YOU research it. It would take 19 years for any of these students to get a visa, that is if granted at all.

        December 3, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
  80. JCLM

    I think that comparing the situation of these individuals to that of African-Americans in the 50s and 60s is unfair, and to take the name "Freedom University" is wrong. The African-Americans were brought here against their will in the first place, and then denied all of the basic rights to freedom, education, and racial equality in a land they were forced to live in. These immigrants came here on their own free will, then get upset when they aren't given the same rights as American citizens! Not to say that they don't deserve an education and a decent life, but rules are rules. If you want to live in a country and reap all of the benefits said country has to offer, then you must do it in a way that is fair and legal. This is not a civil rights issue. Instead of working to give illegal immigrants more rights in America, we should be working to help them build a life in the US, LEGALLY, so they can become fully contributing members of our society.

    December 3, 2011 at 10:40 am |
    • why not

      sadly, it goes beyond the "same" rights. illegal immigrants are given special rights over American citizens. Many get financial aid and in-state tuition while American students have to pay out-of-state tuition. Tell me where the justice and equality is.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:50 am |
      • Alex

        OMG this is the problem INFORMMM YOURSELF. What the hell financial aid HAHAHHAHA, pleasseee inform yourself so you understand the problem. In state tuition, is the same rate any american will pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. OMG GOD please move this people to inform themselves. This is like the witch hunt "He spoke to the devill..... Did you speak to the devi?. respond: NO!. YES YES YOU DID I SAW YOU HANG HIM!!!! HANG HIM!!!

        December 3, 2011 at 10:56 am |
      • JCLM

        You're absolutely right. Many times they are given special treatment, and I don't agree with that at all. I am a full-time college student and its absolute BS that someone who does not have permission to be here pays less than I do. I don't like the idea that my taxes are helping someone who hasn't contributed anything when I can barely afford to take care of myself and my family. Its disappointing and disheartening, which is exactly why I think more effort should be put into educating immigrants on the proper steps to take in order to become a citizen rather than handing them all of the benefits of being a citizen on a silver platter when they have done nothing to earn it.

        December 3, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • BioHzrd420

      Doesn't sound like these students are getting any special treatment JCLM?

      December 3, 2011 at 10:54 am |
      • JCLM

        Not in this particular case they aren't, as it should be!

        December 3, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Alex

      "I don't like the idea that my taxes are helping someone who hasn't contributed anything when I can barely afford to take care of myself and my family."
      You are demonizing a person that is in yourself position without mentioning...... They have to find a work that accepts them, which the condition is wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse for them than for you and you are getting angry because they are succeding and you not??? I think that you are angry because even though their life issss wayy more difficult than yours, they are acompleshing their goals and you are not. This country is about who works hader for it and they are wining

      December 3, 2011 at 11:04 am |
      • JCLM

        They're winning? At what? NOT being a citizen? I work full time, I go to school, and I PAY for it all by myself. If these teachers want to donate their time to help these people that, until they become citizens, will never be contributing members of our society then good for them. I feel like you guys are missing my point. My point is not to deny them education or a good life in America. My POINT is that we should be helping them become citizens rather than fighting to get them more rights as illegals. This isn't about who is better or who is winning, and if you think thats what its about then you're extremly ignorant. Its about what is fair for EVERYONE who lives in America.

        December 3, 2011 at 11:08 am |
      • CheckhisGreenCard

        I smell an illegal immigrant full of crap!! Winning? Picking my fruits & veggies & cutting my grass & pulling my weeds & washing my dishes & spending my tax money & making it nearly impossible for our children to have a job doing these things while in highschool & to help pay for college. I'm tired of ppl like you that are willing to come to my country & try telling me what's fair, all the while driving down wages. You are all a drain on society, the economy, & r modern day slaves. Virtually the only exceptions are those that are here on work visas that eventually become citizens, cuz they are educated or have a valuable skill, but they do it LEGALLY. So take your crap somewhere else.. Like canada.

        December 3, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
      • illegal-military-educated

        Background:
        After several years of persecution in my own country, my mother decided to move to the U.S. ILLEGALLY to give me a better life. The US granted us asylum while I was in grade school getting a free education and my mother working several restaurants. Got my education in public schools, went to college, and signed up for the military after I received my Permanent Residency (ie green card). While in service, I got my education with honors and now I am an engineer working for the government.
        Problem:
        I met many illegal immigrants, while growing up in a hispanic household, who had fake IDs to work and they ALL paid their income taxes; even more beneficial to the IRS, they never claimed their taxes because their IDs were forged. When they went shopping they paid their sales taxes too, so don't use the argument that they do not pay taxes because they do not know the loopholes that corporations know.
        It is hard for an immigrant with good intentions to become legal in this country because of the bureaucracy and red tape within the government. There should be a way to help out the immigrant have a temporary "workers permit" to allow that person to prove their worth to the American society. If they commit crimes, kick them out, if not extend their permit until they have proven themselves time and time again to earn their Permanent Residency. There are many criminals that give my hispanic community a bad name that should be deported, but they stay in this country and wreak havoc within their community.
        Many illegal immigrants send their children, legal and illegal, to an University because they want their children to get an education to better themselves. Public universities have instate and out of state tuition that ANYONE can apply for. Students who are legal can receive the subsidized instate tuition (the state government funds public universities to make it cheaper for state residents) and illegal students pay the out of state tuition (as far as I know).
        When the children of these illegal immigrants graduate from an university, they will usually stay in this country and receive higher pay so they will pay more taxes, so it is beneficial for the progress country to help out those that want to better themselves, be it legal or illegal. These kids that grow up here will never go back to their home countries because they will become Americans in heart.
        The US helps international students obtain a student visa so they can get an education so they can go back to their respective country, so why not help out people that will aggrandize this nation?
        Immigrants who do not pursue an education are needed in this country as labor to keep many products cheap, housing and groceries are two examples. Because of our desire to get a good deal, and companies need to profit to stay afloat, illegals are needed.
        Instead of going on a tirade against the illegal immigrant do it against the companies and corporations that use their status to give them below minimum wage pay. These corporations know the loopholes in our system that allow them to pay less taxes; GE is a perfect example because of their huge profits and instead of paying taxes they receive money from the government. Banks have received tons of tax-payer's money that they have not paid back or pumped into the economy because it will not be profitable for them, when they got us in this mess.
        Instead of spreading hate in this country with useless rhetoric, use your rights and make congress work to the advantage of the people, instead of the special interests of corporations. Having meaningful conversations and acting on what is right will make this country better. Which is what we all want, whether legal or illegal.

        December 4, 2011 at 12:40 am |
    • Alex

      You said that they get special treatment and that you can barely afford to take care of you and your family.
      You are demonizing a person that is in yourself position without mentioning...... They have to find a work that accepts them, which the condition is wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse for them than for you and you are getting angry because they are succeding and you not??? I think that you are angry because even though their life issss wayy more difficult than yours, they are acompleshing their goals and you are not. This country is about who works hader for it and they are wining

      December 3, 2011 at 11:05 am |
      • JCLM

        FYI – who said I wasn't accomplishing my goals? I am doing just fine with my life. Yes I have my struggles, but with the state our economy is in, who isn't having problems? You're an idiot for assuming that I'm just some angry person looking for pity about the quality of my life. Not the case at all, but thanks for giving my daily dose of ignorance. I just lost a few brain cells because of you.

        December 3, 2011 at 11:16 am |
  81. liz

    If u have never had immigration issues, i would suggest you just shut up because there is so much you dont understand. Not all illegal immigrant ran into America from the Mexican boarder.

    December 3, 2011 at 10:07 am |
  82. debra

    How did these kids even get put into school? I had to show my children's social security numbers before they were allowed in school.....why did i have to do that? As a matter of fact, even today, I have to have MY social for everything. Maybe I should just refuse, or say i no comprender.

    December 3, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • Armando

      Im sorry for your kids. Your comment express your ignorance and racism. I no comprender... short-minded americans...

      December 3, 2011 at 10:05 am |
      • CheckhisGreenCard

        Think the end of it was a joke ACE. Short-minded mexicans. See? See how I did that? Cool eh?

        December 3, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
      • Eric

        Oh please, you didn't conjugate the verb to express correctly in your reply while condemning someone else for not conjugating a Spanish verb correctly. Correctly stated one would write "your comment expresses" not "your comment express".

        December 3, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
      • PROUD AMERICAN

        Dear CHECK HIS GREENCARD,
        The last comment you refer to was not a joke. It was disgraceful comment full of bigotry and hate towards our Hispanic neighbors. Are there short-minded Americans? Certainly. You are one of them. Are there short-minded Mexicans? Of course, just look at the drug runners who supply the US drug market. We hear the news reports about how many of these drug thugs end up dead, most of them in their early twenties. The point is that if we want to show the world that we, white Americans, our Americans in general, are not "short-minded," you and I must be good, moral people. Writing comments like "check his greencard" and "short minded Mexicans" is beneath what a strong, kind, intelligent American can do. Please don't embarrass other Americans who do not share your bigotry towards Mexicans, our neighbors. Behave like a real American and start acting maturely, per favour. Did I write that right? Per favor? I need to brush up on my Spanish. : )

        December 7, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
      • PROUD AMERICAN

        DEAR ERIC,

        As a proud, intelligent American, I am not offended when a person who speaks another language corrects me. As a matter of fact, I appreciate it because it makes me better. In my travels around the world I have found that many people see Americans as ignorant and arrogant. Please don't write any more insensitive and petty comments nit picking and showing outrage at having a fellow white be corrected in his Spanish by a Hispanic. This type of comment makes it sound like we, strong, pround, intelligent, Americans, can't accept that we make mistakes, too. Is your ego so feeble? Is your mind and moral compass so weak? Love thy neighbor. Follow God's commandments. Love thy neighbor. Be kind and generous to those who have less than you. Learn some Spanish (or some other language), and please, stop being an idiot. You make the rest of us, proud and intelligent Americans, look bad.

        December 7, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
    • Nitram62

      Hey lady, look into your local state law, most states, if not all, have to accept all children of school age into the public school system. Otherwise, you'll be complaining more when those "KIDS" grow up with out an education.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • CheckhisGreenCard

      Oh boy... They still don't get it debra.

      December 4, 2011 at 1:09 am |
  83. Andrew

    Check out the update! - "In the hours since we first reported this story, there have been significant developments. The University Council at the University of Georgia voted to pass a resolution which opposes the Board of Regents policy passed last fall."

    On the 50th anniversary of the desegregation of the University of Georgia, this is a great step for the campus to take. I have to believe Freedom University played some role in pressuring the university council. Great job!

    December 3, 2011 at 9:53 am |
  84. palintwit

    Round 'em up ! Lock 'em up ! Load 'em up ! Send 'em back !

    December 3, 2011 at 9:04 am |
    • chefdugan

      When will these jerks learn how to spell ILLEGAL! Another good reason why university professors should be banned from leaving the campus. Acutally, most of them should not have been allowed ON the campus to spread their left wing nonsense. The South Korean and the rest of them can just go to hell, go back to their country (and it ain"t this one) and deal with it.

      December 3, 2011 at 9:31 am |
      • Nitram62

        Hey Chef-D. What are cooking? A new recipe of ignorance and hatred?. They're not the cause of our problems. Think about it.

        December 3, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    • Andrew

      Are you auditioning for a cabinet post in the Third Reich? I don't think time machine's exist yet, but you'd fit right in circa 1935 Germany.

      December 3, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    • cal

      I think the point is THEY are US

      December 3, 2011 at 9:54 am |
    • Andrew

      "First they came for the communists,
      and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

      Then they came for the trade unionists,
      and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews,
      and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

      Then they came for me
      and there was no one left to speak out for me."

      December 3, 2011 at 9:55 am |
    • eknight

      if your talking about immigrants then you should get packing and go back from where you came from. Everyone is an immigrant including myself.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • pepe

      yea, send them back to england.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • CheckhisGreenCard

      Lol wow I dont think this was an issue a hundred years ago. We all let it go for as long as possible. greatest part? The greatest part is I'm native american.... So if you could all leave I'd be grateful.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
  85. Trishia

    I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA....!!!! STUDENTS BEING DISCRIMINATED JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER....!!

    December 3, 2011 at 8:53 am |
    • palintwit

      You mean students being discriminated against because they are here ILLEGALLY. What part of "ILLEGAL" aren't you understanding?

      December 3, 2011 at 9:03 am |
      • cal

        There's always being bad laws, you know...

        December 3, 2011 at 9:56 am |
    • chefdugan

      You are one pathetic left wing cry baby. Go join the occupy movement and leave the rest of us alone.

      December 3, 2011 at 9:33 am |
      • cal

        Oh, not having fun anymore at your tea parties?

        December 3, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • OldGoat

      Trishia, get real. Let's see these illegal aliens get away with this in some other country. Talk about being naive!

      December 3, 2011 at 9:43 am |
      • dont worry about it

        wow you should realy read what i wrote to the other guy

        December 3, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • Real American

      let me guess your not white right ???? and you feel bad cause God didn"t make you white !!! White people built this country not brown people !!!!!!! We dont want you here breaking are laws !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      December 3, 2011 at 9:59 am |
      • cal

        You really mean to say white people only built america? Are you serious?

        December 3, 2011 at 10:09 am |
  86. Charles Wheeler

    Another tear-jerker it's-so-hard-to-be-an-illegal-alien story from CNN! Enough hypocrisy already!

    December 3, 2011 at 8:43 am |
  87. Art

    I cannot believe that there are people here who are defending giving illegal immigrants preference over American citizens. For every illegal in a classroom, thre is an American who was shut out. Our servicemen and women did not fight and die so that their kids could be shut out so that illegal immigrants can get what their kids should be getting but are not.

    December 3, 2011 at 8:10 am |
  88. Brahms

    Life is not fair. It is unfair for a child to be born to a dysfunctional single mother on welfare and it is unfair for a child to be taken into a country illegally by their parents. What is the solution? Surely, the solution is not to ruin the country, which seems to be CNN's solution for both of these unfortunate situations. Enabling perpetuates the problem does it not?

    December 3, 2011 at 7:37 am |
    • Elmo

      This is not about fairness, it is about social responsibility to our children. Education is a right and everyone qualified should have access to it.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:12 am |
      • NoName1969

        Education is a right? For criminals? They are called illegals for a reason. Why should they get rewarded for being good at committing a crime?

        December 3, 2011 at 9:23 am |
      • franksnbeans19

        Actually, education is NOT a right, but it is paid for by the taxpayers. Sometimes, children have to pay for the sins of the fathers. If these parents really cared about their children, they wouldn't have put them in this situation in the first place. And before you dismiss me as some xenophobic redneck, I'll go ahead and let you know that I am a 2nd generation American with Mexican immigrant grandparents. Rebuttal?

        December 3, 2011 at 9:27 am |
      • OldGoat

        This is not about fairness, it is about social responsibility to our children. Education is a right and everyone qualified should have access to it.

        Elmo, why don't you go back to "Sesame Street," where your make-believe, feel-good thinking will fit right in. These aren't "our children." They are illegal aliens, who, by definition, are criminals.

        December 3, 2011 at 9:45 am |
      • sameoldstory

        Lets be clrear about rights. Rights are conferred upon citizens. Not on those here illegally. When will dreamers understand that in the real world, there are limited assets, space, funds,jobs etc. That is why congress meters the number and from where law abiding prople from other countries can apply to come to America. if the right to an education was as broad as ELMO thinks, we would have the reponssibility for educating the world. We don't. That is the responsibility of the country from which they came.

        December 3, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Jeff Larson

      Too bad the state of Illinois, Lake county, The welfare Mom, staying at home, doing her prescription drugs, father does everything for her because she can't make a decision to save her life, files a false EPO against the working father,,,,,, removes father from home and child's life,,,, and my 3 favorite words from my attorney IT DOESN'T MATTER,,,,,, much she lies, what see can or can't due, She calls herself a "Ho" and she is the better parent because her Dad has money. This country has gone in the wrong direction. I'm 46 years old and have watched this country self destruct to please outsiders, vs. working for the TAXPAYING LEGAL CITIZENS. And if you think I'm lying look up Brown Vs. Larson in Lake County.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:33 pm |
  89. RD

    When these instructors head back to Harvard, they can now feel good about how they are doing to much for the downtrodden. Too bad they probably passed over a thousand legal kids along the way who would have appreciated some assistance. But then they wouldn't have received the headline – and the ego boost they obviously crave.

    December 3, 2011 at 6:45 am |
    • sosideirish

      AMEN!!!

      December 3, 2011 at 7:17 am |
      • JEGA

        "Yeah, and we could report them to their universities and complain that our tuition payments support them and the university, and we're not happy that they're spending time outside that should be devoted to the students whose parents are paying their salaries."

        Ok, let's write to Harvard and complain that one of its staff is using his/her free time to educate people. Let's report him/her because our tuition is paying her salary. Do you really think you're making sense? I think even folks who agree with you that these kids should be expelled can't support your argument.

        Where are we living in Russia? where they'd control what a teacher does in his/her free time?

        December 3, 2011 at 7:52 am |
    • JEGA

      Really? so these college professors are doing this for 'attention' So after driving back and forth –using their own resources– not tax payers' money, offering their time and skills, to these groups of people, you think they are doing it so they can be featured in an article in CNN for you to write stupid comments. Come on. Say what you want about illegal immigrants but respect the right of others who want to educate them. After all, it's America. Your choice to want them expelled, another one's choice to help them be possibly more educated than you are. You can do that, right?

      December 3, 2011 at 7:22 am |
      • sosideirish

        Yeah, and we could report them to their universities and complain that our tuition payments support them and the university, and we're not happy that they're spending time outside that should be devoted to the students whose parents are paying their salaries.

        December 3, 2011 at 7:31 am |
  90. Lailah

    Then they came up with the name, Freedom University, in honor of the Freedom Schools in the Deep South that were developed during the civil rights movement to educate people who were excluded from the education system because of segregation.

    "We borrowed the reference with respect and as homage to the people who had the same courage as our students," says Bethany Moreton, a history professor."

    The African-American's that were excluded from the education system because of race were AMERICAN'S, which means they had a right to the services of the education system. Those that enter this country illegally do not have such a right. It is in fact dishonorable to borrow the name Freedom University for those that are really not being denied education based on race. It's wrong to try and place illegal immigrants in the same category as black American's who had the right of expectation in the country of their birth.

    December 3, 2011 at 4:32 am |
    • juan torres

      ok my point is not everybody has the brains to get to those kinds of colleges the average person here in the us doesnt a velive that if a person was gifted enough to compete on a high end campus they should let them study who knows one of them can invent something beneficial for humanity but instead they are blocked by people that are dumb as a sack of potatoes because they are jealous of not having enogh brains to doit themselves nough said.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:23 am |
    • sosideirish

      EXACTLY!!!

      December 3, 2011 at 7:18 am |
  91. Hello

    NEWS Flash.. the father who k1!!ed his 4 kids and shot their mother at Bay City Texas is an illegal alien. He was not married to the kids mother... his family has sent for his body to go back to Mexico for a PROPER burial..
    no funerals have been planned yet for his victims.
    His family can take his sorry carcass back to Mexico... too bad he did not stay there where he belonged.

    December 3, 2011 at 3:27 am |
    • Long

      Haizzzz...His "illegal immigrant" status obligates him to shoot 4 people?

      Geeze. I understand that the borders shouldn't be a free-for-all deal because no current gov't system anywhere on Earth can handle such a situation; but hating on an entire group of people using THIS as an example? Please be reasonable. Just because a black man killed a person does not mean all black men are terrible.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:38 am |
    • G

      @Hello. This is anecdotal, not scientific. Hopefully you can make the difference.

      December 3, 2011 at 7:19 am |
    • Elmo

      What about all the crazy MFs that shoot people and ARE White- American citizens. Why do people all focus on the immigrant or person of color that does something bad while the majority of crazy stuff comes from crazy white people? You are all just racists. We would not even be having this conversation if the immigrants in question were from Finland.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:01 am |
  92. Frank

    What's the address for this school so I can call ICE and get them all deported iin one fell swoop.?

    December 3, 2011 at 2:49 am |
    • Long

      Why would you want to deport talents? If anything, grant these people citizenship so that they can fully contribute to society. They stand the BEST chances of making the country BETTER. Why allow anyone else have them?

      If they are willing to be educated then please, for goodness sake, find all ways possible to expedite the process!

      December 3, 2011 at 2:58 am |
      • pipenger

        There are thousands of real Americans who don't get the chance to go to college . When all our kids get the chance then I will agree with you.

        December 3, 2011 at 4:55 am |
      • Gregory

        @pipenger. It's a myth, not fact, it's an excuse. There are not thousands of American students in the State of GA waiting to go to college and can't get in.

        December 3, 2011 at 7:16 am |
      • sosideirish

        Oh yes, let's back-burner (or eliminate entirely) the education of American students so we can take on the obligation of paying for the illegals to attend school. Really?

        December 3, 2011 at 7:35 am |
      • Troubled.Alex

        I am from Georgia and I can say with certainty that many qualified students do not get into UGA because of space. I don't care if it's 2, 27, or 2000, no one who does not have the right to the spot at one of the top five universities in Georgia should get into any of them. Let them choose from the other 30 remaining schools. If they are that motivated, they will make that education work for them.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • Elmo

      @Frank, why don't you deport yourself back to hell, you ignorant man.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:04 am |
    • Elmo

      We have a history in this country of protecting children, of protecting our minors. These students did not break the law. Their parents did. They came here as CHILDREN. We protected them, nourished their dreams and then when they turn 18 you want to send them back to a country they don't remember? Some of you just have no hearts. Thank God these professors and other people do! Keep on hating, it ain't goint to get you any where.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:08 am |
      • Steve

        Such garbage that you spill. You know the illegals come here and have babies just to give them citizenship. Now you want to educate these children for free. That will just encourage more illegals coming here. Instead of punishing the parents you want to reward them. It's a self defeating process.

        December 3, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • PJ

      I agree. They should be followed to identify the parents and extended family, probably all illegal therefore criminals. And, they must all be deported back to their own countries. The Dream Act will never pass while a large majority of the population despise illegals like a plague on our country.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:22 am |
    • dont worry about it

      you probably dont even know your head from your ass. or do you

      December 3, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Esteban

      I live in Costa Rica and We live in poverty with imigrants from Nicaragua whom have collapsed our hospitals and We still embrace them like the human beings that they are. I invite you all to come to my country and maybe We can teach you some respect for people from another country..

      December 6, 2011 at 1:18 am |
      • Troubled.Alex

        Yes, that's the solution. Let's make the United States more like the third world. That's what Americans want. NOW do you see the foolishness of that statement? We don't WANT our country to be like your country; therefore, we would like to enforce our laws thankyouverymuch.

        December 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • Troubled.Alex

      research drive

      December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
  93. Ramon F. Herrera

    CNN allows the messages filled with hatred, and yet one tries to post something DECENT and cannot. What a bunch of incompetents.

    December 3, 2011 at 2:39 am |
  94. Long

    Education is THE most important path for anyone who wants to escape his/her current situation.

    I know it is difficult to pay for those who do not contribute; but do understand that preventing illegals from getting an education will only ADD to the crime rate and burden that you will pay as a tax payer.

    I don't know how one should solve the problem because both sides have compelling arguments. But let them be educated. Education produces productive members of society.

    December 3, 2011 at 2:37 am |
    • terri

      iI know that you feel that way but i am a women that did not have a chance to get that education because i did not have money and i have heath problems too and i can not get help but an illegal person can get all the help they need this is my country my home land and i can not get what illegals get tell me how that is right i am not mad just wanted to know what you would thank if it was you

      December 3, 2011 at 5:10 am |
      • Levi

        I'm gonna call shenanigans on you, Terri.

        "i am a women that did not have a chance to get that education because i did not have money and i have heath problems too"

        I didn't have money either. I had absolutely no money. My mom made less than 8K a year when I went to school, but guess what? I applied for financial aid and WORKED. It's astoundingly easy to go to college in the US; all you have to do is research your opportunities. I think you just like to play the victim.

        If you are not mad and just want to know what I think, then here it goes: if you want to go to school, apply for financial aid to do so. Don't get mad at kids wanting to learn and further their opportunities. Remember, they didn't move here, their parents did. How can you harbor anger at a child for a decision they didn't make?

        December 3, 2011 at 5:41 am |
      • JEGA

        Terri: I understand your question and thanks for being 'civilized' in your posting. Too many people here are rude to each other. There is help for Americans with financial need, you need to explore them. Sick the help of counselors (should have used your high school counselor). As far as these illegal immigrants, even if they wanted to pay, they won't be allowed. And when they do pay, they paid 3-times as much. But it's beyond that, as long as they are allowed to stay, keeping them away from an education cannot help our society.

        Like Long said, there is not an easy way to address this issue. Some of these kids came here as babies, or toddlers.
        I usually ask poeple who are proud to be Americans, how would they feel, if they wake up one day and found out that their parents have lied to them and that they were not born in this country. How would they feel? Will they volunteer to go back to Poland, Germany, Israel? country that they know nothing about. This is the dilemma these kids are facing.

        December 3, 2011 at 7:38 am |
      • Elmo

        Jealousy, hatred, and lack of motivation is what guidances you. Good luck with that. You will remind uneducated and ignorant because of it and no amount of immigrating-haiting will save you.

        December 3, 2011 at 8:06 am |
      • dont worry about it

        funny how you called this your homeland lol wow what rights do you think that immagrants get that you dont

        immagrants get
        hatred from most american whist
        persecution by the law
        discrimination
        rastism
        hummiliation
        and all of this is because they wanted a better life
        have you ever heard of the quote from the statue of liberty
        give me your tired your poor that want freedom
        to be honest the ignorence on both sides of the issue are amusing

        December 3, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • sosideirish

      Not at the expense of American citizens!!!!!!!

      December 3, 2011 at 7:36 am |
      • JEGA

        Would you change the law if they agree to pay tuition as out-of-state students?

        December 3, 2011 at 7:39 am |
      • Elmo

        A lot of you should apply for admission at Freedom University. Then maybe you would get the education you so desperately need. So much ignorance!

        December 3, 2011 at 8:03 am |
      • Elmo

        How would it be at the expense of American Citizens! Jesus! You are just dumb.

        December 3, 2011 at 8:09 am |
      • Marlin

        What is more expensive for you. Someone going to college or a uneducated person getting free welfare, foods stamps and free health insurance because they cant afford to get a nice job. Made the math and go back to college and educate yourself.

        December 3, 2011 at 11:10 am |
      • Laurie

        I don't think most people would have a problem with illegals if they didn't drain our social services, education and medical facilities. Someone has to pay for all that you know. and since most illegals work under the table and pay nothing but sales tax, the bill goes to the citizens. Quit displacing our own citizens to provide for illegals. Take care of all those Americans who need services THEY HAVE PAID for and we might be a little more sympathetic to lawbreakers. Then again, maybe not.

        December 4, 2011 at 10:06 pm |
    • OldGoat

      I know it is difficult to pay for those who do not contribute; but do understand that preventing illegals from getting an education will only ADD to the crime rate and burden that you will pay as a tax payer.

      Rubbish! By definition, these illegal aliens are already criminals. Your argument is nonsense.

      December 3, 2011 at 9:49 am |
      • PROUD AMERICAN

        The good news is that some of us Americans did go to school, did pay attention to our teachers, do go to church, and do not believe in hating and ranting as the solution to our nation's problems. Let me emulate (I know, "emulate," big word) the professors at Freedom University and try to educate some of you "illegal" hate-mongers (I know, "hate-monger," hard to understand, but bear with me). Human beings are not illegal. All human beings have inalienable rights to freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We (white Americans) were not here first. We stole, we killed, we plundered, and then we conveniently forgot about everything we did until things started getting difficult ( 9-11, the economy). So now we need to rant and vent and blame it on someone, so some of the less civilized Americans have decided to beat up the little guys, namely the poor who emmigrate to our great nation from other latitudes. Can we please stop sniveling and get back to work. Teach every kid, help every neighbor. Let's be good, generous, and strong. Let's stop being condecending to people from other nations, let's stop being hateful and ignorant and weak minded. If you want to defend the border, join the border patrol. If you want to improve the education of your childrend, become a teacher or at least be a good parent and stop blaming the system for everything wroing in your life and your mini-me's life. If you want to change government, run for office. You want to protect America, join the Marines. Just stop blaming minorities, the Chinese, Obama, etc. Get off your butts and get to work!

        December 5, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
  95. Mikkanoulous Kalamadakkinouppolous

    I didn't see any mention of cost. What poor kid in America has an opportunity to attend college at no cost to themselves?

    December 3, 2011 at 1:41 am |
    • Ramon F. Herrera

      Therefore, "No mention of cost" == "Free".

      Maybe they will accept you and teach you what's wrong with your thinking, as displayed above?

      December 3, 2011 at 2:18 am |
    • TomAmerican

      Raymond, I think the point is that these kids are getting a free education because they are here illegally, even though it is by the professors' donated time. So, by definition of this school, they are receiving something that is not available to U.S. citizens. Why should that be acceptable? As an American citizen, I don't believe it is. Anything that is available to an illegal (which nothing should be) should also be available to a citizen.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
  96. Ismek

    These kids remind me of Jews in Nazi Germany. OH SAY CAN YOU SEE...

    December 3, 2011 at 1:14 am |
    • Pancho

      Speaking of illegal immigrants, in this very large school district I have seen a very interesting trend take place over the last ten years. In the last five years I have been a “floater” teaching in all parts of this district. I see that light skinned Mexicans are moving into predominately-white neighborhoods while the dark skinned Mexicans tend to be moving into the mixed parts of the district. These light-skinned Mexican students speak English very well but at least to me they seem very arrogant. In general they lack respect for female teachers and do not show respect during the pledge to the flag. In contrast the dark-skinned Mexicans are just the opposite. These students obey our rules and seem to want to maintain a low profile and in general more respectful.
      Either way they are all here illegally.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:42 am |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        "In contrast the dark-skinned Mexicans are ..."

        I stopped reading right there. No matter how you finish that sentence (unless you say beautiful), YOU ARE A RACIST.

        December 3, 2011 at 2:15 am |
      • Ramon F. Herrera

        I withdraw my comment below. Next time, I will continue reading before I reply.

        December 3, 2011 at 2:26 am |
    • TomAmerican

      What a horrible, misleading comparison. The Jews were legal citizens persecuted by the Nazis because of their religion, not legal status. The vast majority of the Jews had the legal right to be where they were. The illegals in the United States can make so such claim.

      December 4, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
  97. Hello

    i recently had surgery to remove a large tumor from my spine.. I pay insurance premiums through my work medical plan.. it is NOT cheap.. I have to pay a huge deductible... The bill for the surgery was only paid 1/3 by the insurance company.. which left me with a bill that is almost 1/2 my annual income. If I was an illegal.. I could have gotten that surgery for free and not even had to pay any insurance premiums... ever.. just walk into any hospital and get it all free. but because I am a law abiding AMERICAN citizen I can not get free medical care like illegals.

    It will take me 5 yrs with interest to pay off that bill... any illegal can walk out that same hospital with the same treatment and not ever worry about paying a single penny.

    You say it costs too much to EARN American Citizen ship... hah.. you do not what American citizenship otherwise you too would not get free medical care and a free welfare living.
    now tell me about YOUR RIGHTS as an illegal... and how I owe you FREE what I have to pay for as a citizen.

    December 3, 2011 at 1:14 am |
  98. Hello

    As go though round after round of debt extensions .. the tighter and tighter it gets... and more and more Americans are with out jobs the harder it will be on illegals too. When those who have invaded are not getting the freebies they demand because there is just nothing there to give.. then what?
    Every 2 to 3 months... the government is forced to deal with its money problems. Many in those positions are leaving the fight like cowards as they see the ship is sinking.

    There is going to be a time when there is noting to give away.. That the trillions of dollars is going to be zillions...
    The population is expanding faster than we can support it. The freeloaders will then start to attack the few workers..

    then what? WE can not take care of what we have now.. imagine how it is going to be in 25 yrs...Will millions of more non tax payers demanding more and more freebies...

    The reality that the US can not provide welfare for the world must be addressed... or our whole country will collapse.

    maybe thats what they want... complete failure.... Those who do not belong here will be the first and most to suffer.

    The freebies will end..... then what will you do????

    December 3, 2011 at 1:01 am |
  99. Christina

    *ignorant

    December 3, 2011 at 12:29 am |
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