by Sally Holland, CNN
(CNN) African-American boys and girls have higher suspension rates than their white or Hispanic peers, according to new data released by the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights on Tuesday. The report looks at race, educational equity and opportunities of U.S.students.
"Perhaps the most alarming findings involve the topic of discipline," said Education Secretary Arne Duncan. "The sad fact is that minority students across America face much harsher discipline than nonminorities, even within the same school. Some examples - African American students, particularly males, are far more likely to be suspended or expelled from school than their peers."
"We cannot suspend, expel and arrest our way out of our nation's education problems," said John Payton of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund in response to the report.
"In fact, relying upon exclusionary discipline policies actually fuels academic failure and drives achievement gaps," he added.
According to the report, African American students are more than three and a half times likely to be suspended or expelled than their white counterparts.
"This is where the school-to-prison pipeline begins, and it's on all of us to break these insidious patterns,"Duncan said at the Howard University event where they release the data.
On average, elementary school teachers who work in schools with large African-American and Hispanic populations make $2,250 less per year than their counterparts who teach in schools with low African-American and Hispanic population.
Among the 20 largest school districts in the United States, Philadelphia has the greatest salary disparity among high school teachers in schools with large and small African-American and Hispanic populations, Teachers of large black and Hispanic populations earn $14,000 less in that city, followed by San Diego Unified School District and New York City Public Schools, both of which pay more than $8,000 less.
The report also found that high schools with large black and Hispanic enrollment are less likely to offer algebra II, physics and calculus, classes that are often required for college admission.
Duncan said that he hoped that by shining a massive spotlight on the disparities, it will force some important conversations among educators and change their behavior going forward.
"This isn't about laying fingers or pointing blame, it's about saying where do we go collectively to get a much better outcome for our children and for our country," Duncan said.
The data for this report was gathered during the 2009-2010 school year and can be found on the Department of Education Civil Rights Data Collection website.
I am on the front line, being an African-American educator for the past 32 years. The problem exists because of people like you. These children come to school without discipline, without manners or even commom civility. The parents do not teach them respect for themselves or others. Everyone has the notion of its "someone else's fault". This is the downfall of our community, this is the beginning of the pipeline to jail. The suspensions are not.
Race will always be a factor, this is America where lazy white folks forced others to build the country and took credit for it. Now the problem where I live is lack of residency laws. Less than 10 percent of my local school district employees live in the city, so how do you teach those you automatically fear? YOU CAN'T so the kids mostly the Black males are kicked out, then the Black females. If you grew up in whiteville, went to white school got white education, you can't teach anyone else but a white from where you came from, simple as that. It would be nice if CNN stop with these stupid articles cause its like they just discovered something new when this has been the tread since....long time ago.
wow, such a racist post. And here I thought were were post racism..
This author couldn't do much more to show his ignorance on this issue. The discipline rates that are referred to don't factor in the type of offense and the degree of violence involved. The public school to prison pipeline is fueled by people like this author who believeit's alright for a 17 year old high school junior to have the reading and math skills of a 5th grader. Teachers make more in "white" schools because they have seniority and transfer to these schools to avoid these problems. As long as people continue to think like this author and his cronies our public schools will continue to be the babysitters for our prison system.
Thank you for your two cents, Reverend Wright...your seat at the back of the bus is waiting for you....
Look in the mirror if you want to see a good example of 21st century racism.....
The only thing a black could teach them is how to be a criminal
Well Alex then why don't you teach? Go teach some of these kids who don't care about education, respect or have the value system to do what is needed to improve oneself. Not all but a lot of them and the parents can be just as bad. Yes I have had that experience. Did it for a few years and did help a few kids but after awhile might as well have taught in a prison. So keep your mean ol' white man garbage to yourself and go be an educator and put your money where your mouth is.
We have to remove the people who think black street culture has a place in our education system and society from making decisions that effect our children. If Johnnie can't read- Johnnie can't make it to the next grade! we all know the current education system is the reason we have these issues. Our educationsystem panders to the black community and rubber stamps their kids all the way from high school to low paying jobs and prison.
Parenting, Parenting, Parenting! It all comes down to parenting! Any successful person in this or any country can attribute their success to parenting and education. The black people who are successful in this country make it because they leave or denounce the values of black street culture and strive to be successful.
Very disappointing article. It never clarifies whether or not these differences are the result of a biased policy or just simple mechanics of these minorities causing more issues resulting in these differences. It would be better to have more facts here. Its like saying you stand in the middle of I-75 you are 50 times more likely to get hit by a car instead of an airplane. Duh!
Stupid people have stupid kids. Atleast that's the conclusion when it is an issue of an under priviledged white kid who can't make it through our education system. But when the stupid kid with the stupid parents is black it's because of racism, slavery and white coporate greed.
Clearly they did not go look at my high school, where blacks get a free ride on discipline, and the whites suffer for it
Yeeeehhawwww!! of course the "blacks" get a free ride! Wave that rebel flag high!
Well you obviously have little experience in the real world to know what he is saying is often true.
Everything would make sence if people stopped expecting nigs to act human
do you feel better now? apparently that word discribes the ones who created it, now go look in the mirror and then go get educated and avoid ignorance.
You only insult yourself when you resort to such comments..
The stats focus on on such a small sliver of life to present a conclusion. The results are a from many factors.
However, if you want to focus on this small sliver the blame falls on to seniority teachers, else the teachers union, else the federal government.
I do not question the 'numbers', but I do question the interpretation.
If dicipline is used for bad behavior and if the numbers seem to indicate one group or another is more likely to be diciplined, then why not look at that group to determine 'WHY'.
It may be a cultural issue or an environmental issue.
Do vile and violent 'rap' lyrics promote bad behavior?
Do ultra violent video games result in bad behavior?
Does casual use of drugs result in bad behavior?
Having bad behavior in class with no dicipline reduces the education happening in the class.
Is there a grouping of diciplined students have some 'commonn' characteristics [besides race]?
I keep forgetting, political correctness trumps logic be it here or strip searching little old ladies at the airport.
Sorry but thats not right because if you look at it every culture and race are effected by those same issues. And this report is showing a large gap for just one group not the entirety o fyoung people. Its not do young people get suspended more than people in the past? no its about why a particular group of young people get suspended more often.
This so called racist analogy to the problem is disgraceful.The reality is it is financial in equity of thinking.Rich kids can pretty much make as many mistakes cause mom and dad bail them out.Poor kids acting the same way are deemed as somehow socially inept. Good parents understand the world and instill pride and confidence in thier children to manage the challenges.Bad parents allow the 'deception' to make thier judgemnets based on what others tell them where they are meeting the grade, and ingnore or even set impossible goals for thier children to meet. So once again, nothing to do with race, its perceptions forced upon poor people.
blacks and latinos come from harsh environments so rules and punishment have to fit their life style to sank in. RULE OF THE JUNGLE !
it seem to me that schools are watching the blacks, latinos, so much and the whites is doing all the school killings in school
I am surprise no one has spoke on these issues so something is wrong here a lot of those school killing were all white students why did no one spot these murderer. is it because they were to busy watching the blacks and latinos and let them get away with murdering other students shame on these teacher with my wisdom I saw a lot of evil in these white
kids that done all those children they had a lot of signs if someone was paying attention
you people are dreaming,,,,minorities get away with murder,,,,if what you are saying is true,,, how do you deal with someone that feels like they have to fight or kill to make a point....communication is far removed from a modern society.
One thing the article did not say is if the students were committing the infractions that result in the suspensions/expulsions at the same rate as their white peers. I think a news article needs to provide this type of data or it leans toward bias. I cannot be sure if the author's statement is that white kids are getting off easier or that children of color are committing a disproportionate amount of supsendable/expellable offenses at school.
Having taught in a large school district, I can say that I personally saw kids of different races treated differently in the same school district. Supplies were less in the poorer schools in the district (for example 15 math books for 30 children). Also, children who were poor and yes, minority were more likely to be suspended for the same infraction that a white child would be reprimanded for. Yes, there is a difference in how the children are treated. Anyone familiar with teaching sees it, those who have not been in a school district may not see it and draw different conclusions. It doesn't suprise me that by the time these children reach high school they feel hostility and anger. They are well aware of the difference in treatment. It is a shame our society can't admit and begin addressing the difference in treatment towards students. I have seen "upper class" children do really terrible things BUT their parents do manage to avoid having their children pay the price for their actions, not so for those with less resources and less power within a community.
In the several school districts i've come in contact with on several different levels i've always noticed the minority students getting a free ride when it comes to education and discipline to the outrage of most white parents.
I am an African American single mother. I have read some of the comments on this site, and while some are blatantly racist and not worth commenting on, there are a few that I agree with. Don't let me being a single parent fool you. My twins know that if you go to school and act out, you are going to answer to me. My daughter has a 4.0 GPA; my son has a 3.8 GPA and is head of the Student Council. They both have NEVER had one incident in school. Yes, African American children have the same ability to succeed as any other race.
But, it starts at home; it is the parent’s job to give their children the values to carry them through life. Single black homes do not have to produce sad results. I work, I am not on any type of assistance, and my children have the same level of respect and values as a white child because I make sure I am doing my job. Yes, there are parents who do not do enough for their children; who are not setting good examples and do not discipline their children. But that happens in ANY race.
Do we as African American parents need to come together and steer our children in a different direction? Yes, we do. But we are a nation of diverse groups and backgrounds, and divided we will all fall. Rather than point the finger and tearing everyone else down, how about coming up with some ideas and solutions, generating dialogue and camaraderie, leading by example and not by empty rhetoric?
I volunteer at the Boys and Girls Club, and my children do as well. Why? Because my children are part of this country’s future and I don’t want them to think they can gain a better one by leaving everyone else behind. We will all overcome this problem together, or we will all watch as our great nation is swallowed whole and ruined. It is your choice America, whether you are white or black.
HI Jaded- I know many African American "tiger" moms too. I was a white kid from the hood and my mentor is an amazing black woman with two super successful sons. The people that post the racist comments are just dumb butts that love using the secrecy of the internet to try to get a rise out of people.
Good deal we need more moms like you. My son has black friends that have great grades and never get in troubel. There moms are what we call big momma and arent afraid to keep there kids inline.
I work in the public school system as a social worker. It doesn't matter if a child is white, black,Latino, rich, poor, gifted, or with special needs......the parents are the single most influential factor in their child's success. Parents who care about their children's education and hold their children accountable for their behavior (good and bad) have children that are successful. Parents who don't care, parents who make excuses for bad behavior, and parents who are more interested in their own selfish needs than their children, often have student who don't care. The formula is simple:
1 or 2 supportive parents + a few dedicated teachers + a student who is willing to learn = academic success
I will tweek that formula just a little bit:
Log X + Log Y + c = academic success
where X = parents
Y = child
c = school/teacher
By the way c is a constant, not meaning it is the same for all children but rather it is an integer.
Jade very well said. I'm glad your kids are on the right path and have great GPA's. Keep up the good work teaching your kids good values and they will surely succeed in life. Wish I could give yea a hug for doing a great job in supporting your kids and leading them in the right direction. All these people who try and blame the school system are morons because like you said it all starts at homes and the parents need to take responsibility on how their children are growing up and not turn a blind eye on what their kids are really doing. Again kudos to you and your kids keep up the great work.
I wish all single parents were like you!!!! But I think your posting is clouding the issue. every child from a single parent home has more challenges and obstacles then a traditional home environment. The issue is ultimately parenting in general. Smarter parents have smarter kids. Kiids who don't have a parent in prison ora a drug addicted parent or a parent that can't help them with their elementary school homework isn't going to make it!!!
yes again we all know that the numbers should be evenly split between all races, colors and creeds. there is absolutely no way they are ACTUALLY commiting more of the problems that require disipline. why cant the minorities just take responsibility for their own actions for a change and quit blaming others?
Perhaps the disproportionate number of minorities expelled/disciplined is related to the NUMBER of VIOLATIONS committed by minorities compared to whites. Where's the data on the number of white kids verses minorities who break rules at school?
Since a few black families moved onto my street our property value has gone down. I also pulled my kids out of public schools a few years ago because I felt like they were just getting more dangerous since they got a little "darker".
God Bless y'all!
I haven't read all of the comments but are there numbers in the OCR report that would reflect the number of these children living at home with a single parent or both? If so, I'd love to see those numbers because I was the product of an African-American single-mother home and I got in trouble quite a bit. For my job at the National Fatherhood Initiative, I even wrote about the issue in hopes to spark some dialog. I'll be back after reading some of the comments. I already see a few doozies, however. Here's the blog link for anyone interested: http://thefatherfactor.blogspot.com/2012/03/father-absence-and-school-discipline.html
The racists and naysayers need to educate themselves.... start by reading this.
Regents of the University of California v. Bakke
why? its probably just more university professor BS. they spew crap out everyday trying to win the nobel prize or something. most people discount the conspiracy theory behind jails and things like this article discuss because we live in the real world and see what the truth is with our own eyes.
Maybe that is because they, as a race, are more violent and prone to criminal acts.....anyone ever thought of that? They are not being punished because they are "black"; they are being punished because of their acts of violence and crime. A few years ago law enforcement completed a federal research program as to why there are more blacks in prison than any other race of people in America. Guess why??? They committed most of the crimes in America.The report was killed as soon as it was published ; the results were not political correct. Thomas Jefferson did a like-wise study during the founding of this nation and he stated that the black race needed to be returned to Africa where they came from because he saw a problem with society if they were not. He was obviously correct but not adhered to.
Why is it white men who uses the pure stuff Cocaine get probation and community service and the African American Male gets 20 years for a $5.00 vial of Crack. Both are illegal and dangerous but can you see this is unfair sentencing. Even the conservative and liberal judges agree on this one. So please research your facts. White people get off for or lighter sentences for killing, maiming minorities where minorities get 25 to life on hearsay. And who are the jurors? what color are they? Step outside your box and really ASK GOD to stop your judgmental frame of mind..It will come back to bite you in one form or another.
We just want to get rid of the nigs
"In fact, relying upon exclusionary discipline policies actually fuels academic failure and drives achievement gaps," he added."
We cannot continue to sleep our way into single parent families or fund social welfare that encourages poor decision making. Mr. Payton asks for collective responsiblitiy. It starts with the mother AND father sitting at the table and reading to their young child, helping them with homework and ensuring they get to school on time. Then a child can see himself being successful in the classroom and not choose to be removed by acting out. Establish accountability and responsiblity within the community, mandate parental responsiblity and focus on maintaining strong family values before slapping a "We" label on the social responsiblity. I want every child to succeed, in spite of the lack of common sense demonstrated by his/her parents. But without a parent taking responsilbity, Mr Payton can continue to wear his $1,000 suits and point his well manicured fingers at everyone else saying it is "our" problem to fix. Open a bible and read it to your child. Help them understand the basis this country was built upon. One man/one woman marriage forever. Don't let a man walk out on his family and we may turn this tide of despair regardless of the color of his skin in the rearview mirror.
bla, bla, bla, and bla.
I feel sorry for you. You must have a horrible life, to despise people because of the color of their skin.
Wow, black Americans that live in poor neighborhoods go to underfunded public schools. Achools with a higher than average black American demographic have more black Americans getting disciplined. I don't see the news story in this "article"
@Moncada, I believe the problem is not as simple. As you probably know, our eastern methods of treatment simply deal with the symptoms, and not the root cause. Saying that Blacks should just better themselves is like saying a person with cancer should just get better. Its a lot deeper than that, with hundreds of years of injustice to sort through and make sense of. Yes, some black people will kill over some air jordans, while some white people make decisions that have detrimental effects for our whole nation. The old adage of "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" doesn't work in every situation. How do we reverse hundreds of years of damage. Nike would suggest Black people "just do it". But anyone who is obese or overweight knows how easy it is to just not do it. There are Blacks who have done it, with the right environment, conditioning and supports. One last thought: Black people did not come to America in search of a better life. Ultimately, how did Blacks end up with what research calls "slave mentality"? Not to point fingers, but its time for US to take responsibility for US, US being Americans.
The report does not tell the whole story. This is reality, http://www.wbaltv.com/news/24912556/detail.html
@Nitty Gritty, there they go again "it's everyone else's fault I can't get a job, that I'm poor, that I dropped out of High School," always blame someone else for the problem. When the Blacks get a clue and stop wailing and are willing to better themselves then the cycle can be broken. And fighting and killing each other for a pair of shoes just resembles what is wrong with that race.
"Race" has nothing to do with it. They are in poor neighborhoods which means they go to a poor school with teachers that don't care.
It's not the teachers. My wife works in a school like this in Philadelphia which according to the report is the city with the largest salary difference. Most of the parents have not education and don't prepare thier own children for school at all because they do not value education. So these kids come to school already disatvantaged. Then, once these children come to school there is not discipline that can be done. They almost cannot be kicked out. On the same topic, the 'bad teachers' are impossible to fire. So, in the end, the kids get screwed.
I agree with everything but the most important part that their own PARENTS do NOT CARE or encourage them or force them to do homework or behave. Sorry. After 22 years as a teacher there are clear differences between the students and the culture and values of race.
Wow. With people like you still alive no wonder Black people can't overcome the effects of hundreds of years of slavery and oppression.
But were are all still equal as human beings right!
Liberals will spend endless amounts of time and money trying to figure out and fix the unfixable even though studies have already found that IQ and behavior is determined by genes and family values respectively. You cant fix the black race give it up.
Hey IQ guy, try a spell checker. Irony.
I get your same response everytime I post this. I mispell some word intentionally to lure in the hacks that have NO REAL argument. Not everybody gives a shlt if you mispelled one word – except a liberal idot that has no argument.
Now If I was typing in ebonics, that might be a valid comeback.
IQ is a social construct. Old white people developed all the IQ tests. Keeping up on your research??
Content_pessimest, if you believe that IQ and behavior are determined by family values, then should you not be taking into account that you're own American white culture has created the family values of African Americans, by separating mothers, fathers, and children through slavery? If your ancestors are the ones who have torn apart their homes for your own economic gain, then isn't it also your responsibility to ensure that African Americans get ahead?
Are schools failing minorities or are minorities failing school? It seems to me that the stats are showing that minorities are failing school. However the article contributors are shifting the the responsibility for failure to the school. Is this the lesson the kids should learn. We will not punish students for inappropriate language and fighting within school but rather the school will be punished for creating an environment wherein a minority student uses foul language and acts out in violence... huh?
To be more useful this report should have listed other facts just as important like the fact that the sun goes down every evening and when it rains the ground often gets wet. What we need here is a new government agency, the department of discipline. They could call it the DoD.
U.S. report finds inequalities in courses and discipline for minority students. OK. Obvious questions that are not addressed within article: are minority students academically unprepared for advanced placement courses and are minority students involved in more infractions than other students? If the answer is yes then the discussion should not be about discrimination, which this isn't but rather about why minority students are unprepared and break rules more than non-minority students. Take some ownership over these problems rather than shifting the blame. Somehow I don't think that was what they were talking about at Howard University. There was a social experiment in which a minority area was given a new school and new teachers with the intent ton correct the problems largely addressed within this article and the academic results and number of infractions remained the same because the local community and parental support remained the same, which in the end is more of an indicator for success. This is why charter schools in minority areas do very well. This is due to caring parents that are willing to go the extra mile for their children. No doubt minorities face an uphill struggle but the first step begins within the family and community building.
The first step is fixing the socio-economic disparities that exist among ethnic groups. How can one achieve if they don't first believe. Why would one believe in something they don't see. Why do you think people in general are becoming less religious. People believe in facts these days. Do your research.
You have a point when you speak of Charter Schools and parental involvement. Charter schools are allowed to be selective over who they let in. Most do not accept students with learning disabilities, or those who can not afford to pay tuition. So what is left in our public schools is the students who have more demanding intellectual needs, and less involved parents. Some to simply not caring, others because of the need to hold multiple jobs to survive in this economy.
And what's saddest of all is the fact that everyone touts the "Charter School" because they are promoted as being there for the minorities, yet they don't take the students who need the most help. They take the students who are the cream of the crop in lower performing schools. Now everyone believes that Charter Schools are the answer to the education problem. "Let's privatize education"! The truth about Charter Schools is disturbing. They have the same budget as public schools (if run by public schools). They can kick anyone out at any time for a series of simple infractions. Public schools cannot do this. They can basically do whatever they want and the parents have to deal with it or leave for another school. Pick their students with an application and many times lottery. Could you imagine if public schools could hand pick their students? Do you think there would be a problem with test scores if public schools could say, "sorry about your luck, you're not up to our standards....bye, bye. Now many charter schools are getting rocked by cheating scandals, yet CNN seems to struggle reporting on them and that seems too convenient. Charter schools are a good idea, but they should serve the minority children who are in the most need. Is it acceptable to say, "These kids can still be saved? Those kids over there, not so much.....too bad for them."
Yes, we have all fallen for the smoke and mirrors,
They bring up race and we all focus on that simple issue, I am sure the statistics of incident reports will show why, specific students receive specific punishment. I am sure we all can come to a conclusion about lack of discipline from students. What we are missing is, the focus on teachers pay, and the differences. Teachers pay is from the tax payer, and in areas with higher number of african-americans, and spanish students, revenue research shows that shortfall of taxes. So yes there is a huge difference is racial, social economic levels. It will continue to be that way. I think they should offer all the classes that any other school offers. Now how the amount of students in that area that want to take those classes may not be enough to deem the teachings of that material necessary.
This is a perfect example of how the government creeps into our lives.
I agree with much of your statement but how did you end up with government creep? Is this your default setting?
Really? I mean REALLY? I've seen black and hispanic students NOT get desciplined because of their race and a fear of being called a bigot if you do call them to the carpet!!!!
Im an oldschool blackman we as black people need to accept the truth it starts at home my mother reminded me and my siblings if you act a fool at school, you were going to get the s h y t beat out of you when you got home and that meat a belt that touched your body from neck down. Guess what? We never gave the teachers any problems. The fear of getting your a s s beat was motivation to stay out of trouble. IT STARTS AT HOME BLACK PEOPLE.
White guy here. I got the same deal – you get in trouble at school, you're gonna have trouble at home. Worked really well.
Thank you for saying that it begins at home. Trying to discipline any child at school has become an issue because parents never believe their child does anything wrong. "All they were doing is talking." Okay, I have 27 students and if all 27 of them are allowed to talk when they want to, I can not teach. I am also old school. I was raised by a single mother and knew that if I misbehaved ANYWHERE, I was done for. If I did not do my work, I was done for. Now parent complain about homework. Why? Ball practice, ballet, music lessons cheerleading....there is a reason that it is called extra curricular. On top of that, how do you call a parent, when every number has been turned off. There is apathy towards edcuation and it is not just my black students. It is society in general.
What a surprise, the biggest trouble makers receive the most punishment. If African-American boys and girls didn't misbehave in school so much, these disparities wouldn't exist.
One thing that has not been divulged is whether or not they are talking actual infractions and consequences that schools have actually dealt with or just general common speak. General common speak is just that. Now once you get into actual committed infractions by said students is where you can actually get a grasp or whether or not this report has merit. All districts are different and sadly enough the ones I've been privy too have in fact been biased based off of actual committed infraction. There are students of all variations committing infractions, fighting, cursing, disobeying, etc. and I've seen black students get suspended while white students not get suspended for the exact same infraction in the same school. That is indeed an issue. Discipline is fine as long as it is fair across the board. You suspend one, you suspend all offenders. You give in school detention to one, you give it to everyone. Indiana's wealthiest school district is known for sweeping those types of things under the rug from swastika symbols put on lockers to sodomy of other students (yes this has happened) and the students suffer zero consequences from said actions. By looking at the responses on here, it seems as though American whites tend to think this stuff doesn't happen to them. I've seen some of the best suburban schools act just as raunchy as some of he worse inner-city schools. At both ends of the spectrum, it's allowed and consequences for bad behavior is non-existent. Do not think for one second, this type of stuff doesn't happen.
The facts here i am sure are correct, the issue lies in the way they are reported. I went to a school with majority of blacks and hispanics ans the reason they were suspended the most was disectly related to their moronic behavior and absolute lawless acts on a regular basis with no remorse so dont let these facts speak for racism they are just uncovering the truth about certain races and their behavior patterns on our society
Sooo its the schools fault minorities get in trouble more? Because they're racist? Funny the article didnt mention anything about how a students upbringing at home correlates to behavior in school. The schools are just racist and want to punish minorities – what a joke. Just keep blaming white ppl, its easier than actually trying to correct the problem. Why take a long look in the mirror when you can just pass the buck to someone else?
Where in this article did white people get blamed. Only people doing that are the commenters of this article. I wonder why?
NEWSFLASH – Less discipline at home equals more at school – Shocking!!! If it takes a village I guess nobody in that village should take the role of setting a standard or meting out repercussions when that standard is not met. Please, let's just let the inmates run the asylum. That would be fair and not harm anybody's self-esteem.
My guess is the same group that tends to be punished more probably also gets in trouble more. Duh!
Maybe becuase that group also tends to grow up more often in single parent homes where discipline, moral grounding can be a problem.
My point is that race and discrimination is probably not the root cause. rather it simply has a high positive association with the other more significant factors that lead to the inequity. Correlation is NOT causation.
In reading some of the comments on this blog, the study does not surprise me..Listen to yourselves. Because I certainly dont see a bunch of "black or latino kids shooting up schools" Do you? I feel like all kids should be treated equal, no matter where they live or who their parents are. And if by reading these comments, you all dont clearly see that racism is still bold and prevelant in the US then you all are really delusional. It's almost as if you feel like white kids have the right to screw up and because they are white it is suppose to be overlooked. If as much attention was paid to the white kids as it were to the minority kids, then maybe just possibly we would not have had a Columbine. Just remember while you are typing these racist comments, that you cannot possibly know what it is like to walk in the shoe of a minority..You have no earthly idea the struggle they go through everyday just because of the color of their skin. Listen to yourselves, you are condeming a whole race based on the color of their skin and you act as if it is your right. They were born here just like you. They have every right that you do. In EVERY RACE there are screw ups..It doesnt make it less of a screw up when it is a white person doing it. Get over yourselves. You are not better than anyone because of the color of your skin. There are white ghettos, white single parents, white drug addicts, white drug dealers, white men who leave their families penniless..So stop acting as if your race is perfect.
Yes and my white students who act out get punished. Not all whites look at skin color. Here is the difference...my kids, regardless of skin color, who have parents involved in their education succeed. My kids whose parents are not. involved or feel that their babies can do no wrong are failing. You get what you expect from your children. I grew up know that violence was not the answer and fighting would not be tolerated. Now days if someone bumps into a kid, they are ready to fight. You fight...you go.
There was a study set out to find something, and found it. Surprise.
there are several flaws in this article. I think it is just crazy to blame all minority school issues on some phantom racial bias. I work in the school system in Illinois. I know the best paid teachers are in Chicago but teacher pay is based on years of service if you have a churn of teachers through your school then the schools overall pay rates will be lower.
The reason why some schools do not teach algebra 2 is because they do not have enough kids that will take the class. I know teachers in the Chicago area that are in this situation they would love to be able to teach higher level courses but there is no one to take them.
As far as suspensions go if you have no structure coming into school then you will not see the need to have structure while in school. This will get you suspended in a heart beat at any school no matter what your color is.
As far as teachers pay goes you get more pay with more years on the job. I would love to make 400,000 a year and work for 8 months of it. and before you say no teacher in Illinois makes that much you had better check your facts. You can go do a search and see who the highest paid teacher is in Illinois.
Couldnt agree more
Would love to work ony 8 months...maybe I should move there. I work 7-6 most days and get maybe 6 weeks off. My weekends...grading papers, putting in grades..worrying about my kids. Please don't paint all of us with a wide brush.
Race matters in this country. Always has. Always will. For those of you who will say i am playing the race card so what. You do when it serves your purposes. An undereducated minority provides the dominant culture with a submissive workforce. That the reality and that amerikkka's real agenda. So please stop whining like you care and be brutally honest. You would rather minorities entertain you then be C.E.O.s.
I don't care about helping people who are not willing to educate and better themselves and those same people can clean my home, cut my grass and be my workforce regardless of race, ethnicity or nationality.
Racial inequalities in American schools? You don't say!
At this point I'm surprised that the racial dissonance which should be the proverbial elephant in the room is treated as a shocking matter when it's not been anything new for the last forty-plus years. MLK's dream is not close to being realized so long as obscenely wealthy and powerful white men run this country. Neither education nor racial equality are high on their priority list, a fact which should be starkly obvious to any half-wit.
Typical racist remark.
So melanin levels affect behavior now? Really??? I'm all for a level playing field, so while we're at it, let's do away with minority scholarships.
I agree with the scholarship statement because the best student should get the scholarship. being an american of African descent I see what you mean. If this is leveling the playing field then we should also get rid of the LEGACY rule also for students who parents went to the school so it guarantees them a place also in that school. Do this and make the interviews where the faculty can't see the prospective student's color and take away the requirement to put their race then, it will be a level playing field. As we know LEGACY plays a major part for a lot of non minority students to get the school they want doesn't it.
No...not in our schools. Not by the very people who teach our children tolerance, respect and fairness. Not the same who teach our children personal responsibility and about their bodies and how to use and protect them in a moral and ethical society free of the evils of religion. This cannot be. Our teachers cannot possibly have to deal with their own human attirbutes while dealing with ours too? Gee, if the schools cannot have a perfect society within the walls, what are we to do on the outside? Guess we'll just have to keeping ploddig along in that imperfect world we call home. :)
Simply put, the studies findings don't support it's racially motivated conclusions.
Maybe the higher discipline rates have to do with THEIR behavior?
More race bating. Isn't it also true that African Americans kids are far more likely to grow up in broken homes and be raised by single mothers. Boys growing up without strong male role models in their life are going to act up. It's not racist that they're disciplined- the problem is that they aren't being raised properly at home.
Teachers don't want to teach in a war zone. They don't want to teach where there are gangs, violence and disrespect for teachers. Perhaps if the minorities valued education and did something about the thugs they are raising- schools could be able to recruit better teachers that would stay. Now, who blames them for getting out of those horrible schools.
Harsher discipline? Really? So then I guess it is a fluke that the jails are about 50% black but they only make up 18% of the population? Or that in inner cities male blacks ages 18-25 make up about 80% of the crime rates like in East New York? I am sure that has nothing to do with this or the fact that their parents are part of those statistics which contribute to this? Enough already with the blacks being picked on, they need to stand up for themselves and stop making excuses all the time. Other minorities stand on their own two feet like the Indians, Chinese, etc so why not blacks? Stop holding your hands out for free money and stop crying about things not being fair and change it yourselves the old fashioned way by working hard for a change and supporting one another in your communities.
Your a racist..scary you walk among us
You are not racist... you're just stating the facts. Instead of whining and crying about inequality they should work to reverse the pattern.
Do you thinks it's just a coincidence that the increased ratio of black and Huspanic discipline rates are about the same as the increased rates of unwed mothers for blacks and Hispanics?
And that 85% of the male prison population did not grow up with both thier natural parents?
Perhaps we need to stop teaching young women you don't need a man to raise your child!!!!
Don't forget to mention we need to break off the current "culture" that glamorizes young males to use drugs, treat woman like trash, and drop out of school and for the ladies, we need to teach them not to act like males and teach them to act like queens who should be respected.
I think that one of the bigger issues is, the way school districts are funded. You go to a well of prodominatly white neighbor hood and you will find better funded schools, with better curriculums, and state of the art labs, swimming pools and other things, and you go to the hood and those kids barely get books and aren't even offered all of there college courses. I think all public schools should be offered the same funding and all kids should get the same opportunities in the public school system, regardless of zip code or income! This would help break that racial divide that our country does still have, this basically helps to keep the poor, poor and the well off, well off. If you can't see it you are in denial!
Thank you. I swear people are in denial here. Things are unequal plain and simple. I've attended nothing but black schools growing up. And I have visited white schools. And there is a monumental difference in the quality between the two. Seeing that first hand is very discouraging. I had use books that were split in half at my school. Please oblige me. Students in my school weren't breaking windows and causing roof leaks. The students had nothing to do with the fact that there were only handful of computers to use. Whats sad about my story is that I attended "good" black schools. So imagine how much worse a bad schools are.
I want someone to explain to me how my "culture" had anything to do with that.
Maybe your books wouldn't be split in two if they knew how to respect property in that school. Do you ever wonder why you never got new things? Oh I know, maybe because if they spend on new books they'll get torn again and again. That is probably why they funded other schools because they knew to care for things. If your school would've worked to conserve the property and more made the effort to study, then I am almost certain they would fund new things.
Funding is not the problem. We have a state of the art public HS newly rebuilt with Federal funding. Sports complex, brand new aquatics center, & they are breaking ground right now expanding the sports capabilities. They spend $30,910.00 per year per student compared to the Average of $19,551.00 for the state because they get federal funds as an Abbot district. There are 14.30 students per teacher. Even with all that money being dumped in, it now ranks 283rd out of the states 322 schools in 2010. This is lower than it's position of 221st that it held in 2006.
A private High School nearby has less modern facilities, in fact they are old fashioned, worn, & need up grading. Their tuition is only $10,000.00 per year. They also do not have the discipline problems the public high school has. We have had students at each. The public school has a number of problems, but they are not monetary. Our government chucks more than 3 times the amount per student at them. They have the latest gizmos & all the equipment money can buy. The advantage the private school has is this... Violence is not tolerated, nor is rude or offensive behavior. They will not keep a student who is a hazard to other students in their school.
In the public high school; my child rescued a classmate from a bully, who wore steel toed work boots as he attempted to kick his victim to death. He had a record of 12 student attacks, before he was arrested for attempted murder & jailed. Two years later; the same child called police to report that 2 students had attempted to rape a girl they lured into an empty classroom. I remembered the boys from events I chaperoned, & I was not surprised. By contrast...In my other student's FOUR YEARS at the private school, I have yet to hear of an incident.
Does it look like money is the answer? I don't think so, not in my experience.
The problem and the blame belongs to the parents. Hispanics don't value education or social responsibility. They send their kids to school to get a free lunch and to pretend they are learning... They aren't learning. They are making it harder for others to learn. Latinos are, as a general rule, our lower class working class. They don't really need education and they don't really want it. let's except the fact and allow them to opt out of school programs in favor of working in the fields and factories... Not everyone is created equal. Those who want to do better can and will. Those who don't want to do better should not be forced to. They should be allowed to cut grass and clean toilets for minumum wage.
Your sweeping generalization of the Hispanic community is terribly outdated, and rife with spelling errors which I would not have expected from the child of caring and attentive parents who value education. ALL parents regardless of race who came to this country want a better life for their children. Some are able to deliver opportunities to their children that were never available to them, and some of them have to work every waking hour of every day in order to provide the basic necessities for their children. It does not mean they are devaluing education and encouraging their children to acquiesce to the same life, but it means they are doing the best they can in a country who has decided that all a Hispanic is good for is performing a job that no one wants, and they shouldn't aspire to anything greater.
Excuse me? I'm Hispanic and am in Pre-AP Geometry (took Algebra 1 in 8th grade), am in English, Chemistry, and World Geography Pre-AP and going to take English, and US Government AP not to mention I am bilingual with a Spanish college credit. Let me not forget that I am working to get a Microsoft Word Certification. Oh and I come from a Middle Class family with supporting parents in case you were wondering.
Before you make any ridiculous, absurd generalizations think before, please.
Was talking to that idiot James Moncada!
Wow must disagree. (I am from Alabama by the way). My hispanic parents give me what ever I need. They meet with me, make sure I can contact them and work with thier kids. Would rather have them, then some of my middle class parents who think I am the only one who should be involved with their kids education and sports is everything.
I think everyone here has valid points. Some of the issues are are kids having young parents and growing up in unfit environments b/c of their parents lack of motivation to better themselves. These Kids see this as normal behavior and they see the same behavior in their neighborhoods and throughout family members so most disciplinary issues began at home. Mix that in with a steady diet of music videos, video games, peer pressure & R rated movies and society is creating monsters! Throw in the fact that teachers do not get paid enough money so the profession is dying as older teachers retire or transfer to better quality schools where kids want to learn. Now you have 22 yr old teachers who are teaching until they get their Masters Degree and move on. Teaching is more of a transitional job vs being a Prominent Position of Society like in the past. Think about this, teachers make low pay & get paid once a month! What young person will be interested in this job field when all you see on TV is big houses, big cars and everyone talking about Athletes & Music Artists as if their Gods!
As a teacher, I have to agree with the comments made by Doug Young. He is exactly correct. When are we as a society going to stop focusing on numbers and statistics and look at the real case scenarios? When are you going to get the real feedback from teachers who are actually in these situations to base your "facts" off of? It is not the fault of the school but the fault of parenting in general. If a child knows there will be consequences for their actions, then they are not going to act in certain manners. It is not a race issue at all, but as Doug stated, a "culture" issue. You can't teach a child consequences when he gets into high school, if he has never had consequences before. It starts at an early age, and I am a firm believer that our society has gotten away from the strict parenting regime of earlier generations. THIS is the result...what our society has become. Stop blaming schools and teachers, because all we want to do is help and teach! Start looking close to home for the blame.
You ever notice the race baiting crowd leaves out Asians when they talk about how bad the education system fails minorities?
Good gosh man, just looking at teacher pay numbers disparity between NY and PA- hmmm...ever weigh in cost of living? Numbers are so misleading. But, if anything, numbers are good to show an underlying problem and focusing on the end results in school don't get to those problems. Then again, what about this article is surprising to anyone. Our countries societal structure supports this and since we do not want to change, all the money movement in the world will not corect it.
PS: Watch 'One Flew over the Cuckos Nest'. Also, there is a great saying in th business place..."pay peanuts, get monkeys." The issue with observation is we often see what we are looking for and do not see the truth through our own desires of what we want to see. As long as we view everything through a racist prism- we will continue to send messages that reinforces the very thing we wish to alter. The educational system cannot succeed as a cultural washing place. Different cultures have different ways of dealing with things and when you celebrate all cultures you must embrace these, which goes beyond simply traditions and celebrations. The idea of creating a 'common sense' while tolerating cultural differences is a bit tricky. If we are serious about this then I would gather creating a country with citizens having a common sense would trump cultural sense. Now we get back to bigotry, racism and the politics of controlling people while gaining their vote.
As a teacher in a school with a mostly minority population, the issue here is not race but culture. I have a problem with my hispanic students missing school more than others. This seems to be because the hispanic culture puts family before anything else. This is exactly the time to point fingers and place blame. How are we to work on solving problems if we do not know where the problem is coming from? Why do the schools get all the blame for trying to remove problem students from our classrooms (regardless of their skin color) instead of the parents for not providing schools with quality students. The only thing we have is suspension, which does compound the problem since the kids are not in school but out doing whatever, so how else are we supposed to discipline students. We only offer one Physics section at my school school because only that many student signed up, where across town they had to hire a second Physics teacher. Schools are not racist, Mr. Duncan will be my example in my math class today on why statistics can be used for anything... even degrading the best education system on the planet.
PS – The reason that "minority schools" get paid less is becasue the teachers are younger. New (not bad) teachers get paid less for being new. On average these schools have newer teachers because the veterans get tired of dealing with the 'culture'. Last year we had 83 transfers. This year we will have less becasue we have less vets and you cannot transfer until you have earned tenure. I am sure that the school leaders will take credit for reducing the turnover rate though.
In my opinion it's okay for students to go with their families if they do miss school, at least they are not on the street with bad influences. But missing too much school is a problem.
"This isn’t about laying fingers or pointing blame, " ????? Mr. Duncan, I believe you ment to say "Pointing fingers and laying blame". You appear to have your sentence AND facts mixed up ! What a joke. Children who don't receive discipline @ Home, will not behave @ School, PERIOD.
The problem might be further upstream than the school discipline (such as poverty causing lack of parental involvement, etc), and race may be less of a factor than the poverty levels of neighborhoods and low quality of teachers. I think it would be more relevant to make a school-by-school comparison – are minorities being targeted more than whites at each school, or do some schools (with more minorities and crappier teachers) discipline everyone more? I wish this study/article addressed those questions to show if the conclusions presented here are really supported.
But there's absolutely no reason for schools to receive unequal resources, especially in a way that favors wealthier areas. There's no excuse for not offering Algebra II – it's a standard 10th or 11th grade math class! Same goes with physics. These are a basic part of high school education, and if children aren't offered them, they are not going to be able to go to a university without doing a lot of remedial catch-up at the local community college first.
Very well put, I have been to school in several different states and lived in wealthy neighborhoods and poverty stricken neighborhoods, and experienced the divide first hand, all schools should get the same funding, and yes parents need to get more involved, especially fathers, sometimes single parent homes just can't be. It is ridiculous how you can see to completely different campuses from one side of town to the next!
More suspensions because more infractions, period. Playing the race card instead of correcting misconduct will never help African-American students be successful.
I am sure they are really encouraged to do better when they compare what life has offered them at there crappy schools, when the white kids 2 miles away have state of the art facilities1 this is why I put my kids in a charter school, no racial divide!
Correct mabey they will learn from their mistakes the race card is total bs
MODERN DAY SLAVERY THATS ALL THAT IS
Really? or are you just trolling to start an argument? Do you work in education? We as a nation need to stop using race as an excuse/defense for bad behavior and bad parenting that is culturally based. Are you alleging that a condition of servitude has been imposed on African-Americans by the school system? This doesn't make sense, does it?
As a blackman, africa-americans will always have an excuse and never take responsibility, but what they dont know all the other races have progressed and moved forward and african-americans are being left behind to wallow in their self-pity and no one is listening anymore.
What?? Are you high?
I believe that White and Hispanic children have a lower suspension and expulsion rate because they probably get bribes from there parents to do what they are told. Such as if you clean your room you can have five dollars, but instead black children don't get those bribes so they don't want to do all of the hard work for nothing. That's the thing though male black children have a higher expulsion rate because they do not think things through before they actually do them, but girls sometimes think things through and decide whether what they are about to do is a good thing or a bad thing. Also if a child is going to a public school that could also raise the reason why the child is getting suspended or expelled. Last but not least girls and boys who go to a public school have a higher chance of getting into fights with other boys and girls, and the keep getting into those fights because when the child is disciplined he or she is not disciplined either enough or the right way for them to get it into there minds that what they are doing is not right.
You have a right to your opinion, but much of what you assert is based on a very flawed logic.
So you should get paid for what is your responsibility to do as a child? That is the problem.
Brianna, you are an idiot. Hispanics are not far behind Black People. Caucasians are given a free pass as usual, with the "boys will be boys" bull mentality. Hispanics try to immulate the caucasian race by even claiming to be "white" themselves (LOL). That makes most of the hispanic race, "the white-mans new house-N." IN the end though, the hispanics who kiss the asses of caucasians will just learn the hard way...You cant trust a devil.
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