June 22nd, 2012
05:50 PM ET

Educators: Kids aren't the only ones bullied

By Hannah Weinberger, Special to CNN

(CNN) - People around the world were shocked and horrified by a viral video that showed Karen Klein, a 68-year-old public school bus monitor, desperately trying to ignore malicious verbal jabs by a group of middle schoolers on her own bus.

For most, it was extreme. For many educators and school staff members, it's no surprise.  School workers said it’s a regular aspect of their daily lives.

“I’ve had erasers thrown at me, among other things, but these are things that teachers go through,” said Rosalind Wiseman, author of the bestseller “Queen Bees and Wannabes.”

“When these types of things come up, there’s all of this attention. But most teachers have at least had one student call them a bad name under their breath."

While bullying among students has dominated conversations in school, homes and in the media, kids bullying adults at school is a topic rarely discussed. What some call misbehavior, pranks or insubordination can be bullying, too, educators said. Kids can act threateningly and create a hostile environment inside the limitations of the law, said educator and author  David M. Hall, who often leads anti-bullying workshops - and school workers might never report it.

“Schools often forget about the adults,” said Jessie Klein, author of “The Bully Society: School Shootings and the Crisis of Bullying America’s Schools." “People are so resigned to it. It’s almost invisible - it’s just the way things are. Kids can’t imagine what a school would look like without bullying, so teachers are resigned to it, too.”

Severe incidents, such as shootings, become part of police statistics. But there aren’t many numbers about kids bullying adults, according to Tom Lansworth, media affairs specialist for the American Federation of Teachers. Most school districts aren’t required to track incidents, he said. The Canadian Teachers Federation conducted a study in 2005 that found one-third of teachers in Ontario had been bullied by students. Part-time teachers and those without regular grade assignments were most likely to experience bullying, the study found.

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Some educators said bullying incidents aren’t taken seriously by administrators, and school workers without unions might be discouraged from acting. Educators might be discouraged from reporting bullying because it could hurt the image of the school, or make them appear ineffective in their jobs, teachers said.

“I think it’s very difficult for teachers to report to their administrators that their kids are being disrespectful,” said Wiseman, who is also a parent educator. “It’s shameful for teachers to admit that, because you’re admitting that you don’t have any control over the kids. It’s embarrassing.”

Teachers CNN talked with shared stories ranging from thrown erasers to verbal threats. Students are known to key teachers’ cars or deflate their tires, said Lansworth, the American Federation of Teachers spokesman. He's heard about students who steal teachers’ property; cyber-bully teachers by creating fake Facebook pages or postings; push teachers to snap, and capture teachers’ responses on camera.

“We’re supposed to be strong,” said teacher Hall. “It’s the same embarrassment that kids feel.”

Just as students can create hostile environments for each other, they can do the same toward teachers, school janitors or cafeteria staff, Hall said. He said he worked with a Jewish teacher who felt intimidated by a student who professed to be a neo-Nazi. The student, he said, would insist on reading Adolf Hitler's “Mein Kampf” in the teacher’s study hall periods.

“A kid may not be doing anything he can’t do, but he’s using his rights to extend intimidation against a teacher,” Hall said.

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Outside the view of principals and parents, workers who aren’t perceived to have power in school communities – bus monitors, for example – are often targets, educators said.

“If there are children who feel empowered to abuse somebody that they see as weaker, then it can happen that those children would go after an adult, especially someone that they see as someone without any authority,” Wiseman said.

Some educators said bullying is a matter of perspective; they draw a line between bad behavior and bullying at different points.

Elizabeth Jordan, a middle school teacher from California, said it’s important to remember that kids have their own struggles, too – few coping tools, rapidly changing bodies and bullies of their own.

“It’s just sort of an epidemic of the age that I teach, that the kids can be very angry,” Jordan said. “You’re going to find that the common thought everywhere is that they should get shipped out to an island for three years and they’ll come back as normal human beings. But you have to have a certain attitude when you teach middle school. I try to keep a sense of humor.”

When children cross “lines of respect” with peers and teachers at early ages, it’s misbehavior, said Ana Messinger, a fourth-grade teacher from South Carolina. As they get older, students figure out what they can and cannot get away with – and who will tolerate such behavior.

“When it becomes consistently directed at another, it’s bullying,” Messinger said. “I have seen incidences that have crossed the line of respect, of empathy for other people, absolutely.”

Messinger said it’s important for everyone in a school, not just the administration, to be vigilant in this regard.

“Student-on-student, student-on-teacher, teacher-on-student bullying? They each feed each other," she said. “Teachers need to be diligent about documentation and communication with parents and children and within school buildings so that everybody is on the same page, so that when those lines are crossed we can respond appropriately and swiftly. Otherwise, the administration is just going on the teachers’ words.”

Thousands of schools, including Messinger's, are adapting programs like Positive Behavioral Interventions & Supports, which works to improve learning environments and reward positive behavior. The program isn't perfect, she said - a lack of negative consequences leaves boundaries incompletely defined, and it focuses on bullying between students. But the program has helped to shape a curriculum that highlights respect, effort, attitude, cooperation and honesty, she said.

Messinger said that programs focusing on respectful interaction can help "reteach" not just students about how to handle bullying interactions, but teachers as well.

“It’s a vicious cycle,” she said. “There’s no one culprit to this. I can’t say it’s so-and-so’s fault. It’s in society – it’s in the house, it’s on TV, it’s in the playground. It’s adult-on-adult bullying that they’re watching. We’ve lost, as a society, our decorum when we talk to one another.”

The worst thing an adult being bullied can do is pretend it’s not happening and go into denial, Wiseman said.

“Ignoring comes across as if she cannot handle it, to those kids. And so it empowers them to continue,” said Wiseman, referencing Karen Klein.

Rather than “writing a student up” or “reporting to the principal,” Wiseman suggests a clear, respectful reaction: Recognize students’ actions are inappropriate and shocking, but don’t appear to be weakened or negatively affected. It’s about maintaining the student-teacher dynamic.

“They wait to see what you’re going to do,” she said. “Before it escalates, you have one shot across the bough.”

“You have to be like, ‘Wait, you’re actually calling me a b**** right now? I’m coming at you with respect, and I’m absolutely expecting that I get that back. I can’t force you, but I expect the same in return.’”

Don’t expect the students to agree, or even apologize; what’s most important, educators said, is that they recognize adults who stand their ground.

“I usually look at them, like, ‘Are you out of your mind?’” said Jordan, the California middle school teacher. “Like, are you really doing that? Perhaps it’s because I’ve been teaching for 13 years, but I’ve found that if you establish the rules in the classroom and you have good procedures, you generally don’t run into this.”

“Bully Society” author Jessie Klein said students have to feel like they have authority. She suggests “town hall” style meetings, run by students, where the whole school gathers to discuss issues.

“Instead of a school being a place of community, there’s a sense that you have to handle it on your own, teacher or student, or you’ll be perceived as weak," Jessie Klein said. "Students should own the values in their schools, the values that you care about.”

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  1. Mad

    I just hope this brings awareness to the fact that teachers are not paid enough in this country, Parents blame the teachers for their kids not learning, well it is hard teaching your kids when they are running around the classroom ignoring every word the teacher says and guess what there is nothing the teachers can do to make them stop, they are not allowed to even scowl at your kid and in some schools they are not even allowed to raise their voice at them. discipline starts at home dont forget that, you brought them into this world, now you train them before you send them to school.

    June 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • UnderpaidOverworkedNotaTeacher

      Teachers are underpaid? Seriously? Average starting pay in our district is $38k for 8.5 months of 5-6 hour days, INCLUDING 4.5 weeks of "holidays" and "staff improvement." Average overall pay is $56+k for same. That's for about 1,000 hours. Average person works 2080 hours, so extrapolate and teachers are starting at more than $70k/yr, with many making well over $100k! Underpaid my a*s

      June 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
      • Ally

        I'm not sure where you're getting 5-6 hour days from?

        When I was going through school I remember my teachers being in school from 7am to 5pm. That didn't count the same teachers that stayed late or came in early to lead student groups (like debate club) or coach any of the myriad sports teams.

        June 26, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
      • Misnomer

        Work 5-6 hours? Where is that, I'd like to work there. I get to work at 7am, have duty for 45 mins, then I have tutorial from 7:45 – 8:25. Then I have classes until 12:15 (lunch until 1:00), then afternoon classes from 1:00-4:00. 4:00 – 5:00 I host a club two days a week, meet with my class officers on Wednesday and coach my Current Events team the last two days of the week. Then from 5:00 – 7:00 I usually hang in my room grading papers so that the students who are still waiting for their parents have a safe indoor waiting area. I finally get home around 7:30, still have some AP papers to grade, get dinner fixed up and review the world news for the next day (Social Studies teacher). During the summer we are not paid for those months, and yet I still work to help with New Scholar academies, new teacher training, and enrichment programs for our special ed kids. All this for $50K a year, I do not do it for the pay, I do it because I love learning myself and love to see that spark passed on to my kiddos.

        June 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
      • AnotherAnnie

        Anyone who thinks that quality teachers only work during their contract hours is a complete dolt! I can tell you first hand that my contract hours are from 7:10-3:10, but I start working at 6 am when I check my email from home, at my school, we do most of our "staff development" during our conference time, so after school, and after tutorials (which end at 4:30 MTWR at my school), I schlep down to the copy room to prepare for the next day. I usually don't leave school until somewhere between 5-6pm, and I leave with a giant bag of papers to grade because you cannot teach 120-140 kids without reviewing their work and giving them feedback. I use very few scan-tron assignments (I teach English, so I typically have essays to grade), and I usually fall asleep around 9-10pm grading papers one the couch with the TV on in the background. I often have to work on the weekends to get caught up too, so many weeks of the school year, I work 12-15 hours a day, at least six days of the week! There is a lot of work that goes on outside the classroom. Just sayin'.

        June 27, 2012 at 8:10 am |
  2. DavidLevinsn

    In my experience (going through school myself and 4 kids who went through school), it is more often the teachers who are the bullies.

    June 26, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Mad

      No it is not, it is more often your kids lying to you about what really happened.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  3. Former Teacher

    When I was a teacher, I was bullied by kids – sure! I saw how they treated other teachers as well. It was an accomplishment to get a teacher to cry. The ridiculous rumors students would generate and propagate blow my mind to this day. I loved teaching, but I'm so thankful to not have to be treated this way in my profession any more.

    June 26, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  4. FL Momma

    The loss of respect started when we lost multi-generational homes. When you had children being raised by multiple adults who were related to them. Grandparents who lived with or very near their grandchildren were often those who taught what was socially acceptable behavior from respect of your elders to how to cook a balanced meal.

    We’ve lost this very valuable social aspect over the years as many of us, including myself, left our hometowns for bigger and better jobs. Homes with single parents has pushed this to a crisis level. Again, I’ve been a single mom – I’m not dogging any one group. It’s hard to work 8 – 12 hours a day, come home, get the kids fed, homework checked, and chores done. Chores – by the way need to make a huge come back too – it’s accountability!

    I was lucky in the fact that I had another single mom that lived nearby and we co-parented. The kids, 3 total between us, nearly always had an adult to come home from school to. That adult made certain homework was completed, assigned chores were done and a balaned meal was on the table. It was strange at first but it worked. We also made certain that we were both involved with the school. We both served as PTO officers off and on, and made regular trips to the school. The teachers knew us by our first names and if they had a problem with one of the kids they knew it would be dealt with. What I’m getting at is it’s hard to live a great distance from family or to be a single parent and keep on top of what your kid is doing. My friend and I both lived several hundred miles from relatives, the fathers wrote their monthly checks and nothing more. We both knew that we had one shot at raising our kids and it takes more than one person to do that job well.

    Today, we have adult children – 1 in the Army, 1 in law school and 1 stay at home momma!

    June 26, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  5. Question the people

    I'm betting if people dug deep into her past, this lady did some bullying/teasing of her own in her youth. She just won't admit it. Look at the era she grew up in for one. What she should do is give every cent of the donations to an anti-bullying program with her state.

    June 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Former Teacher

      No way, "Question the People," I won't buy into your flimsy remark. She did nothing to deserve this. Her only remarks to the kids were gentle reprimands. She didn't even try to report them or get them into trouble. She didn't seek any of this out herself. Just like Rosa Parks who quietly would not give up her seat, never knowing the fame it would bring...this woman tolerated their cruelty and was willing to move on. Low blow, QTP.

      June 26, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
      • Ally

        Former Teacher, while I agree that she did nothing to deserve that treatment, I have to be skeptical of the people who think she did the correct thing.

        Rose Parks was a passenger, not a bus monitor. Part of a monitor's job is to quell any bullying activity going on in the bus. She wasn't doing that. If she didn't have the tools to deal with these bullies then she should have reported it to a higher authority.

        June 26, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
      • Wendy

        @ Former Teacher. Thank you!

        June 26, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • JM

      Ummm... so... what is your point? The reality is, most of us have crossed the line at some point, hopefully we knew better by the time we became aduls. Didn't your mother teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? I agree that ignoring it wasn't her best approach, kids do test the water and need a firm, clear response to get the message that it won't be tolerated. But your comment is completely asinine and off point.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  6. Alec

    As a school administrator, I see far more bullying against teachers by parents. Some are so bad we have had to ban them from contacting the teachers. And we wonder why we can't change the kids.

    June 26, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • bateachr

      As a 17 year veteran teacher, I've been bullied by parents, absolutely. Unfortunately, I've also been bullied by principals.
      There's no recourse when it is your boss....

      June 26, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
      • sciteacher

        As a long time teacher, I have had my share of students trying to bully me, and parents too. But after a decade of two vice principals and one principal constantly pushing the envelope, I took a pay cut and changed schools. We certainly need more accountability, and unfortunately, I feel that the general onus of this is directed at the teachers and does not address this need.

        June 26, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Kathy

      I totally agree that teachers are bullied by parents. In the school that I teach, I see this as the one of the biggest problems. Parents try to run the classrooms by their little phone trees each evening and by allowing their child/ren in on their adult conversation (before they get the facts) which the child/ren bring into the classroom. This is what I call bullying from parents.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • APB

      How about calling the police on some parents?! One of my relatives left teaching when a PARENT made a threat on his life and the administrator remarked "so what", and took no action.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
  7. cacdb83

    As a former educator, I remember my first very painful school year at a charter school where I had continuous difficulty with several middle school students that continued until the last day of school. Nothing was done with the students when I tried to acquire some administration intervention and, in fact, because I kept trying to obtain some relief, I was finally snubbed by many of the other teachers. There's nothing worse than feeling totally shut-out by the adults around you and enduring daily humiliation from some of the students. Thankfully, that was the only year I worked there. When I look back on that first year, I can't believe I stuck it out for the whole school year in that hostile environment. So as far as bullying, it comes in many different forms from many different people; even your peers.

    June 26, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • The Decline

      Then I guess Im glad I have a grown up job and work with real adults because your story is ridiculous. This ISNT high school no matte where you work. Cant even imagine what it would be like to work in a pathetic workplace like that. Seriously, how does this go on? The school system is broken on SOOOOOOOO many levels

      June 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
      • spent

        The lack of parenting, could that be the problem and not the schools?

        June 26, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
      • Joachim

        My teacher shot a man in Reno..... just to watch him die.

        June 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  8. Don

    I'm so glad I got out of teaching jr. high and high school kids. I now teach adults, and I don't have to put up with inane behavior. I can actually hold my students accountable. Students who disturb the learning of others get dropped from the class. None of this repeated in-school suspension nonsense.

    June 26, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  9. Parrot

    America, wake up! These are the kids that you are raising! It's sad, isn't it! How about talking to your children once in a while, see what is going on and have an influence on how they should feel and treat people ~ if you don't do it they take they information from others and there lies the problem!

    June 26, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  10. Melissa

    I've been bullied. Being "called a bad name under their breath" is NOT bullying. Neither is having an eraser thrown at you. Bullying is intense harassment, usually mental and emotional, but sometimes physical. This usually takes place over a long period of time but not always, and normally by more than one person.

    I sincerely doubt that a teacher gets bullied all that often, sorry.

    How do you know when you've been bullied?

    When I was a kid, it lasted for years. From being followed home being called nasty names, to getting kicked and shoved into lockers in the hallways. From having drinks dropped on my head, to spit in the face. Why did they do this? because my parents were divorced, I liked music they didn't, I read books rather than went out to football games , I refused to do drugs, and was generally the quiet type. I played the flute, and figure skated instead of hang out with shallow worthless people to get drunk.

    Then as an adult, I had a boss who constantly sent us emails, and even made us sign a three page memo, telling us that if we didn't do exactly as he said, he was going to write us up, or fire us for a mistake on some paperwork or because something wasn't done fast enough for his personal taste. Every single employee complained to HR about him several times, but nothing was ever done. It was so bad, the whole department up and quit.

    You want bullies? Try living with that. I doubt these teachers even have the remotest clue what bullies are.

    June 26, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Melissa

      And you know what? With social media, things are alot worse now than they ever were when I was a kid.

      June 26, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • andilayne

      Are you serious? I am very sorry for the ordeal(s) you have suffered through, but let me assure you...there are bad kids who are violent, disrespectful and aggressive. While I don't know if I'd classify what they are doing as "bullying" their teachers, I'd most certainly say they abuse them. Kids these days are ridiculous, the majority have zero respect for anything or anyone. We as a society have allowed this to happen. I know some will argue that this is nothing new...but from what I have observed, kids are worse now than they have ever been.

      June 26, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • ryhno11

      (Cue the small violins...) Give me a break. It's hard for me to show you any sympathy when you scoff at the troubling experiences of others. Bullying takes many shapes and forms and you have no right to discount the feelings and opinions of others. Just like the people in the HR department of your company, you are ignoring the feelings of other people and have placed yourself in the "land of hypocrisy." Don't let your own issues turn you into a bully yourself. Try and help others, no matter how "insignificant" their situation might seem to you.

      June 26, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • mel

      actually you could have filed a lawsuit against your former boss.

      June 26, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Charles

      Bullying is not so easily defined. Parents and students can create a very difficult and hostile environment for teachers. Teens are smart, they know if they tried the types of tricks they use on peers they would get expelled or even arrested, so they use more subtle forms of bullying.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • RR

      Do you grasp the irony of your post? When you make the generalization that a teacher (or anyone) couldn't be bullied like you were bullied, you create a precedent for dismissing bullying as long as it is relative. Do you have any doubt that there are people who suffered worse bullying than you? Does their suffering erase your own -no. Bullying is wrong, period.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  11. The Truth

    The only times in the past a child got away with bullying an adult was when the adult was too nice or a handicap prevented them from dealing with the situation. Now since you can not even look at a child without fear of legal action children can get away with murder, and worse yet they know it. This has gotten out of control because of bad parenting. Not only failed parenting to teach children to respect adults, but also bad parents who do not allow other adults to discipline their children when they are not present to take action. The most vile of the bad parents are those who do not discipline their children when they are doing it with the parent present.

    This issue goes beyond bullying, these children are now stupid enough to do something like antagonize a bear to the point were it mauls them. Adults do not have to take this crap and we need to return to at least the point were an adult can yell at or even restrain the child if it is appropriate. Adults in position of authority or safety of the children should be allowed to discipline the child for their own good. Children should respect adults and if their parentsl will not enforce this then the rest of society should do it and hold the parents accountable as well.

    June 26, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Thepacific

      I thought this country is the BIBLE country. In god you trust and so much so in his words that you would "all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21" .. well, as civilized people, I assume you know you can use better tool to discipline a misbehaved child than those submissive theists who sluggishly evolve, we can use time-out, all sort of non-violent negative sanctions to get your message across a child's mind. Do the discipline, do it consistently. Don't just do it when you feel bad, do it whenever you find out of his/her wrong-doings. Do it even when you are making love to your wife. I meant love can be sweet or bitter and sometimes both.

      June 26, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  12. Thepacific

    A message to all parents out there. Don't breed if you can't feed and teach. Don't do the devil advocate on social equality. Don't ask for a raise if you have no desire to invest into your children besides sending them to public school. Last but not least, don't complaint about BIG government. social order and equality are maintaining by a government authority. As long as you are careless of the next generation of people, your very society still heavily stress on the greater role of governmental authority. You screw up a generation? what does that mean? It means you create wimps, criminals, and corrupt-minded human which in turn abuse, exploit, and hurt others. Have you wondered why corporate America are too greedy and exploitative? Have you wondered how cruel people treat each other? Well, simply because you, you parents did not think of any of this. Most parents defines success as "earn a degree and go to work." In facts many teach hatred of gays, hatred of liberal, hatred of republicans, hatred of muslims. Not sowing the seed of anti-hatred is analogous to the teach of HATRED itself. Not just teach your kid how to behave, parents emphasize to children the essence of ethics, and that ethics should always be the reason for us to evolve to a better being. The evolution of cooperation requires us both to care for one another and work for common goal: safer environment for a smarter specie.

    June 26, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  13. Pertnear

    Kids acting like this with no respect, why does it surprise the media when police are called to handle problems like this? Because the parents never admit that their little angels did anything wrong and if a teacher or staff takes any disciplinary action, they get sued. Parenting skills are completely lost and this generation knows it.

    June 26, 2012 at 11:30 am |
  14. tina

    THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DISIPLINE IS TAKEN OUT OF SCHOOLS AND THEY TRY TO TAKE IT OUT OF HOME'S TOO. WHEN AN ADULT OR CHILD HAVE NO CONSIQUINCES FOR THERE ACTIONS THEN THEY KNOW THEY WILL NOT BE PUNISHED FOR ANYTHING. THE PARENTS NEED TO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THESE KIDS. BEAT RESPECT INTO THE LITTLE THUGS.

    June 26, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • johnharry

      yep nothing like beating kids, talk about the wrong cycle. continue feeding that cycle. please press the key that says caps lock once more, your screaming for attention just a tad too much.

      June 26, 2012 at 11:51 am |
      • gadem

        beating and discipline are two very different things....

        June 26, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • m

      Agreed!

      June 26, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • gadem

      AMEN

      June 26, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  15. Ruth

    I'm not surprised this happened. But am sort of glad – so this can get out in the open. And educators and bus people are NOT the only adults who get bullied by kids. Neighbors and other elderly get it too.
    I was bullied mercilessly for 4 years by two girls of a family up the street from me. I was 35. It came out of the blue and I didn't know what to do. I tried ignoring it. didn't work. I tried talking nicely to them. didn't work. I tried talking to thier parents, all I got was "their only kids. geez." It started escalating to the point that the older girl (she was 10 when it started and 14 when they moved away) – she got the other kids in the neighborhood to harass me. The police were no help. they told me to move! When I had just bought the house! As it continued, by 1992, I had enough – I marched to thier house and the mother slammed the door in my face, saying she didn't want to hear it. So I kicked in the storm door and screamed that she gave birth to them and she WAS going to hear it. I proceeded to use ghetto language – I didn't care – FOUR YEARS OF HARASSMENT AND I LOST IT. The police came (different officer) and the mother admitted to them she knew her kids harassed me. The police then yelled at her. (about time).
    When their landlord heard the whole story, he felt bad for me and didn't charge me for the storm door. My problem wasn't quite over when they moved, because I was now the "target" for all the f'ing little brats. It finally stopped in 1996 when I got a car, so I wouldln't have to walk and hear their taunts. And I learned to use a walkman to drown out thier taunts.
    what was my crime? When we moved in the neighborhood, we had three cats, and one had a litter, The ringleader wanted to see the kittens one day, and I told her no, and not to bounce her basketball in my driveway as I work nights. Because I said no to her, and laid down groundrules, she saw me as an enemy. I was labeled Crazy Cat Lady and told that I eat cat litter for breakfast. Ignore it? – it doesn't work. I was also told I was slime, I was ugly, the ringleader also mocked me for my professional belly dance career. sigh, well, 25 years later, she should have taken up belly dancing, because she, at the age that I was when she targeted me, is now ahem, a "full-figured" woman. Karma got her.

    June 25, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • letsgomets2012!

      W0w.

      What the eff is wrong with parents and kids?

      You're supposed to respect your elders. If I found out my kids tried this, wow, would they get bloody hell from me.

      June 26, 2012 at 11:28 am |
  16. thefuturecatchesup

    If people think attending private school will curb this problem – or charter schools – you're kidding yourself. Private schools, as they currently stand, can KICK OUT bad kids. Start accepting federal dollars, however, and those rules may change – because where will these kids go to school once you've taken their federal money? You can't take the federal money AND kick the kid out later.

    I've spoken to parents who send their kids to private school, and the SAME behavior happens there – only it's hushed up and / or kid is kicked out. Public school can't kick these kids out.

    To parents who have these rotten apples as children = better you than me have to deal with them. I refuse to bail anyone out of jail – including juvinile detention. My parents said you get in jail – deal with it.

    June 24, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
  17. thefuturecatchesup

    Kids that can't make it in school WILL eventually find their way to selling newspapers on the street corner or in jail or forever at a minimum wage job trying to raise a family. Life has a way of sorting out the bad apples. I wouldn't loose too much sleep over bullies. One day, someone will get them.

    June 24, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  18. SUE

    @Doodlebug 2222 Ha, what alternative reality do you live in? That was 15 years ago. Today one of the kids would stand up and say "Add my comments, here- let me quote them for you " and end the comment with an explicative. Get real......

    June 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
  19. SUE

    @portland tony LOL You can say what you want but it is the parents responsibility. I am a teacher and am well aware that there are poor parents. That is not a reason for public education to take up the slack any more than it is for the federal government to do so. How about the community? How about good neighbors, the church, the extended family? It is NOT the job nor responsibility of the school to raise any child. That opinion is what is wrong with public education and the public perception as well. It is the schools job to offer the OPPORTUNITY for a child to receive a quality education , school materials, transportation, a good meal and opportunities to participate in extracurricular activities. It ends there. The public and media are eager to remind us that it is not our job to impart morals or values on children- yet they are just as eager to let us know their opinion of discipline as well. We are being asked to win the Kentucky Derby with a MULE! Get a grip. It is easy to be a bleeding heart liberal and use buzz words to create dreams and illusions based on just that. Even I can do it. Look : Educators in public schools should receive training to prepare them and equip them to deal with situations such as the one in the video. There is a plethora of information and training available to better prepare them." The reality is- some- a few, but some- kids are horrible. Their parents are the same. The school tries to enforce rules that promote safety and standards, the parents of those kids complain and raise hell, the media jumps in and the next thing you know- a school is accused of "harassing" a student or a teacher is accused of "imposing personal morals" on a student. People should really learn to investigate more and learn the truth. Things arent always like the kids say!

    June 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • aaron

      If I saw my child or heard my child on that video doing those things the punishment would be severe.
      I would first have all the family over to the house, including my childs grandparents. we would all sit down and watch the video and everyone would discuss what the appropriate punishment would be in the entire family's opinion.

      Or..... I can just make my child go work for that teacher he/she was so ugly and cruel to on the bus. They would go to that old ladys house for 4 hours a day their entire summer and do whatever yard work, house work, or anything that needed to be done as payment and retribution. old fashioned?? yup, but even I see that "old fashioned" works and I'm only a father that is 29 years old.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  20. colby

    Kids emotionally torture teachers all the time.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • nena

      you're right, teachers deal with this all day everyday, it only takes a couple of kids or even one actually, they don't always work in a mob mentality, to disrupt and entire class of 35 students. you can take the best most expert behavior management courses available, but at the end of the day, you are so worn out mentally and physically, and then you realize you have to do it all over again the next day. You can be firm and strict but every day you hear and see so much appalling behavior, that sometimes you have to just fake it and pretend it's normal, while inside you are stunned and can't even believe what these kids are saying a doing constantly. so the children who want to learn get the short end of the stick. it is at a crisis situation, because the administration has become numb to it all, mostly. The quickest best way to solve it in the short term for good families is to consider home schooling your children if that is possible. a credentialed teacher can homeschool her own children, but there are other options to do it under the obligation of the law. I would not put my children in any public school if I could help it, esp. after elementary school. it's just a mess.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:37 am |
  21. Dizzyd

    What Jennifer Adams said is spot-on. When we have a culture that literally encourages ppl to denigrate others for the way they look (and yes, that includes fat ppl), they learn to treat others with cruelty and disrespect-but hey! They deserve it for merely being fat! And so we learn to see ppl as non-human, to abuse someone who did NOTHING to you and destroy their psyches for some cheap thrill. 'Hey! It's ok to treat the fat person like crap. They're not human. They have no feelings.' And the worst part? ADULTS do this! Kids learn from their parents – we shouldn't be surprised...

    June 24, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • nena

      my brother and I were horribly bullied for being fat when we were in school, on the bus and in class, and we weren't even that fat! somehow bullies have a way to scrutinize every little flaw and just pick it apart. we all know that they are probably leading miserable lives themselves in some way, and that is why they want to make us miserable, but as kids we don't know that. I have a friend who was an officer in the marines and also happened to go to Yale, so college educated, and he insists that the bullying that goes on at the school playground is as bad as the emotional torture that a POW endures in war. there has been scholarly research on this. and he said, it's in fact worse, because at least POWS are specifically trained beforehand what to expect emotionally if they become a POW. So that is what we need to do, give kids a training what to expect if they are bullied, how to deal with it, etc. I just bottled it up inside, not knowing what was going on, and it pretty much ruined my brother's life.

      June 25, 2012 at 4:46 am |
      • letsgomets2012!

        @nena: This is, once again, a case of "who you know."

        We had 4 very overweight students in our high school class.

        One was a boy - he had juvenile arthritis and had to weigh over 300 pounds. He was on the football team and was given VIP status.

        The same went for the 3 gilrs. They were on marching squads (majorettes and a flag team) and not once did the doc that ran the physicals *suggest* that the 3 girls (and the chunky football player) be benched due to weight.

        Nobody picked on the girls. More VIP status and one was immensely popular with our class - yes, even with the boys. She had no trouble at all getting a prom date.

        Depends who you know. Meanwhile, there were a couple of girls with a little meat on their bones and nobody cared about them. They floated through the halls of school unnoticed and unbidden.

        High school sure is a phoney place. Isn't it. (and those 3 girls are still very overweight, nearly 40 years after the bunch of us have graduated)

        June 26, 2012 at 11:37 am |
  22. spent

    Adults are concerned about punishing a minor because of the laws on the books that will put the adult in harms way of the courts. The entire system is backwards.

    June 24, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
  23. ohSilly

    I observe classrooms all the time. You wouldn't believe how often teachers are emotionally tortured by kids ... to include elementary aged kids.
    The teachers must try to ignore... which can make things worse... if they attempt to react, they will be accused of escalating the situation unnecessarily by the administration.
    It is a set up. Schools fear upset parents (who will defend their kid beyond belief).
    The teacher is told to use a token incentive system.
    There needs to be something done about this. IT IS NOT A RARE EVENT AT ALL.
    At the very least, allow schools to eject these kids.
    (unfortunately, schools will find a way to give these kids a "handicapped" label... which excuses the vulgar behavior .... so the schools can't do a thing about it)
    We now have thousands of normal, thug kids being labelled as "handicapped" enjoying all the special rights of a handicapped person who are as sober and sound as you and I.

    June 24, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • SUE

      TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!!! You tell is like it is! If I can get my kid diagnosed with a BD, he can do about anything, including bring a gun to school and threaten someone with it , and nothing can be done about it- in GA anyway!

      June 24, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
  24. spent

    A kid in one of my classes was a bully. Contacted the "father" and the father, Principal and I met and it did not take a brain surgeon to figure out where the kid learned this behavior.

    June 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • letsgomets2012!

      The parents of these nasty bastage kids are very rarely friendly and accommodating.

      They are just as sh!tty and rude and horrible as their sh!tty rude and horrible kids.

      June 26, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  25. Cutedog2

    And we can thank all of the parents who have threatened or initiated a lawsuit against school districts for disciplining their juvenile delinquent kids. The ISD's hands have been tied for years.

    June 24, 2012 at 8:34 am |
  26. Laura

    This happens all the time and its so sad. I remember when i was in 7th grade we had a sub teacher for awhile that the kids in my class would taunt because they thought he talked funny or throw things at him behind his back. He would punish the entire class by taking our break time away. Its so hard to say anything because all these kids join up and its scary to say stop. As I got older I was able to find my voice and speak up when i saw bullying towards other teachers or students but i always remember that time i didn't for my 7th grade teacher and i feel so bad.

    June 24, 2012 at 2:04 am |
  27. allie

    I was not only picked on while riding the bus in middle and high school I was bullied horribly. I had lots of things thrown at my head was called horrible names. Everyone of those kids needs to be expelled and never allowed to ride the bus at any school again

    June 24, 2012 at 1:35 am |
  28. Brian

    These street rats will have to live with this the rest of their lives. I hope it serves as a prison sentence. The parents are to blame and I hope they are mortified. The bus monitor handled it amazingly.

    June 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  29. Stella

    The woman was right who said that it's on TV all the time too. I don't just mean violence. It's the way adult characters lose their tempers and rant at each other like it's a normal way to interact, as though anyone who doesn't get their way has a right to a tantrum whether they're right or wrong, and then the other characters dialogue is ' you'd do the same if it was your son' or something similar. Somewhere along the line we became confused between persistence for the common good and persistence for selfish reasons, as if both of them were heroic. Check out an old movie sometime, the fashion was for people to behave rationally, bravely and quietly.

    June 23, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
  30. Doodlebug2222

    In this specific situation, it would of been best for the woman to stand up with a clipboard and begin writing names and what they said on it. Let them see you doing it, and let them guess what you are doing. When you catch a pause, ask if anyone else would also like their comments added, which will be copied to the Principal once they arrive at school.

    Keep control, do not let them puppet your emotions, no matter what. It is just words and if you do not respect them, then those words should carry no real meaning for you. I know it is difficult, but don't react, simply - gather your courage and stand up, do what needs to be done (names to list w/ what they said) and do not respond anymore. Simply write.

    Let them figure it out when they get detention for it.

    June 23, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Chuck

      I think you need to take the job for a couple of years. Don't offer your training talk. Get out of your office and take the lower paid job.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:57 am |
      • nena

        bravo, Chuck. so many back seat "experts" shame teachers and others that they just "aren't doing it right". aren't effective, you can try everything, but when you're dealing with continuous toxic behavior, it doesn't always work. in fact it can be life threatening, and I'm supposed to whip out a clip board? ok...

        June 25, 2012 at 4:55 am |
    • APB

      That strategy might have been effective in another time. Now it would likely make the situation worse as these thugs know that their actions will have no consequence, that threatening to report them will only be seen as laughable.

      June 26, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  31. Kick Some Butt

    I personally think grandma should of handled like the first day in prision. She could of got up and picked the biggest small kid and slap the living sh it out of them and they would of shut the heck up.

    These potty mouth kids need to be shown that they respect their elders.

    June 23, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • TexTeacher

      In my school district if a teacher (or others) is cursed by a student the teacher can file a complaint with the campus police. The student is then issued a citation. The student goes to court and pays a $200.00 dollar fine. It happened to me when I asked a student to remove her cap (gang colors) in doors. She called me a "Mother F–ker." It cost her $200.00.

      June 23, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • fritz

      I think what has already happened is the worst outcome for these bullies. I would rather take the beating than have the whole world see what I have done to this innocent elderly lady. World scorn thrown my way along with death threats against my family? My name living in world infamy forever? Labeled a cruel, evil, incorrigible bully worthy of being shot on sight like a rabid dog? Yep. I'll take that beating, thank you. ....So how do these young bullies feel now? Are they hving fun yet? Thank the stars for tiny video. The most powerful anti-bullying weapon ever devised.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
      • thefuturecatchesup

        Your post rocks! I totally agree. I don't feel ANY pity for the families. I'm actually laughing. Keep posting their names – their names are on the web!!

        June 24, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  32. Season in Hell

    I am a teacher that is tired of dealing with students who would rather spend their days planning the best place to have a fight instead of trying to learn something. They curse,scream, throw desks and try to get the teachers in the middle of the action so they can beat on them too. I would LOVE to see some of the people who said the teachers should TAKE CHARGE of their students. These critics would run screaming for the exits. Take charge only works if you are lucky enough to work in a community that values education and for an administration that will back you up.

    June 23, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • uname2000

      These phases “Bully Society” and “It’s a vicious cycle” from the article described exactly the problem of our country. Teachers are losing all the control in the classroom. American corporations are complaining U.S cannot produce enough high skills workers because teacher cannot teach the students and other student who really want to learn and cannot lean. These bully kids are watching their parents or their neighborhood bully other people. These kids are going to grow-up to become bully adults at workplace.

      June 23, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Another teacher

      I agree. In my school the students bully the adults far more than they do each other. You can write them up, but when the administrator returns the student to the classroom with no appropriate (or often any consequences) it simply empowers that student and others in the classroom. Ineffective administrators due more harm than good. They undermine teachers and students by promoting behaviors that are detrimental to an educational environment and one that is safe for all involved. I also agree that teachers are so used to being verbally abused, that there is a "collective shrug" unless a teacher is violently (emphasis on violently) assaulted it is pretty much shrugged off as part of the job. Many of us have indeed had our property damaged and/or stolen. A large number have also had students put their hands on us. I have had all of those things happen. Kids will do what they are allowed to do. I think the fine idea has a lot of merit as the worst behaving students tend to be the ones who are not at school for an education to begin with. Unless schools start expelling students and prosecuting them for such behaviors, this will continue and it will affect members of society beyond the school environment. Bullying behavior is not turned off when the last bell rings and the final bus pulls out of the school parking lot.

      June 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • nena

      yes, and the way these young men disrespect everyone, especially females, they are babied, beg for food or money or free time and even if they are spoiled, they totally glamorize gangsters, life in the streets and jail life and jail tattoos...until dinnertime.

      June 25, 2012 at 5:03 am |
      • APB

        It might eventually help if legislation were created to require consumers of so-called rap music to show identification establishing age of 21 years.

        June 26, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
      • Charles

        Nena, I agree with you, but you may be surprised at how many girls are bullies as well. They can be just as vicious (if not more so). The main difference is girls tend to be more subtle about what what they are doing.

        June 26, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  33. Jonquil

    Jonquil

    We really need ethics classes in 2012. Kids are not learning about empathy and respect for other human beings, at home, so it needs to be taught in school. Having a chaotic homelife, with no feeling of safety and security, as well as no instruction on building a core of strong character, not only hurts those these kids interact with, it leaves them vulnerable to be abused by others because they don't understand the basic boundaries of respect that every person deserves – including themselves.

    Just because an adult complains about something your child might have done, that doesn't mean your child is automatically at fault. But how they see you deal with the situation speaks volumes to them. Are you somber about it, willing to listen to the complaint and then privately discuss it with your child? Do you listen to your child's patterns of communication; are they fearful, excessively aggressive, routinely cruel in their assessment of someone or something?

    Pay attention, parents. Neither screaming at teachers "Don't discipline my child" nor ignoring a child's plea that something is bothering them, that something is wrong, will do a service to them. If you're getting reports around the neighborhood that your child is destroying property or yelling swears at people minding their own business, on their own lawns, take it seriously.

    June 23, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
  34. Ron

    We need more civility!

    June 23, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
  35. Mad Sam

    People like those bullies deserve to be tortured and executed. 'Nuff said.

    June 23, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
  36. Vo name

    Kids are not the only ones bullies. Bully is also can be adult and someone has power at workplace. Sometime kid becomes bully when they see their parents are doing it to other people. Bullying is happening also at the professional and non-professional workplaces. It is happing every day at workplaces. The team leader is bullying to his/her team members and it is happening a lot from primary English speakers to non-English speakers. If adult can stop bullying other then maybe we will have less kids are becoming bully.

    June 23, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
  37. MrJay11

    CNN supporters are wastes of oxygen

    June 23, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  38. Jennifer Adams

    And a week later, the tale of the abused bus monitor will have disappeared into the miasma that is the fast paced, greed based, move along move along America we have created. I find it curious that this incident has created such a outpouring of opinion, let alone condemnation for the boys behavior, as well as sympathy for the woman involved. The fact is, Ms. Klein in America now, is exactly the kind of "person" we have placed in the role of scapegoat for all or own issues and fears. This "outrageously rude behavior" exhibited by these boys can and does happen, frequently, because she is not a real person, not a human being deserving respect or consideration, she is just "some ugly old fat b**ch".... To them and other such bullies, Ms. Klein is a non-person, she is the old, ugly fat cow everyone gets to feel superior to, to mock with impunity. The more the harassers need the ego boost, or the deflection of their failings the louder they moan. People see the behavior of these children, complain and say: "I wasn't taught like that, I was not brought up like that..." But you were really. You have had it ground into your compliant, malleable little minds that this woman, this fat, old lady is an acceptable object for treating with scorn and ridicule. In America today, we have twenty-four hour television "entertainment", an endless parade of books, movies, magazines, and personal daily conversations on how NOT to become what she is. We have literally the whole of American culture reinforcing quite clearly that it is OK to tell Ms. Klein what we may think of her and her body and her life, and we are shocked a bunch of school bus bullies do just that, and film their triumph for posterity this reminded of just how lowly she is valued in the human family. We are indoctrinated from birth that this particular person is the worst case scenario of what not to become personally and that making fun of her is an acceptable pass time. Now we have the audacity to be shocked when our own children humiliate and abuse this woman in some sort of juvenile feeding frenzy? The very fact of the incident being recorded with the intention of later broadcasting it to the world truly says these boys had no real fear of repercussions, or even criticism of their actions. I bet it didn’t even cross their minds.… Shocking? I'm shocked you’re shocked....

    June 23, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • New Orleans

      To Jennifer Adams: Speak for yourself. I know plenty of Americans, young or old, rich or poor, black or white, who do not agree with your line of thinking.

      June 23, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
      • Willow

        You mean you don't know people that have been brainwashed to believe that being even 5 pounds overweight is ZOMG sooooooo horrible111!!? Odd because pretty much everyone I know has been completely brainwashed by the fat police.

        June 24, 2012 at 7:38 am |
    • Ed

      Exaclty-how well put. How many more school shootings and outrageous behavior do we have to face before we take our society and schools back from budding hoodlums and disrespectful little brats, who are so like their parents in most cases.
      Scared straight was an excellent video that came out some years ago-should be required curriculum in all of our schools, rich and poor alike-prison life would teach these punks some manners without the interference of computers, i-pads, etc, ad nauseum.

      June 23, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • Michel

      I feel Jennifer really got to the bottom of the issue. Her remarks ring deep and true. Its interesting to note that just last week the US supreme court ruled against the FCC in trying to restrict TV corperations during "family" hours.

      June 23, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Willow

      I completely agree. What I find the most shocking of all this is a culture that completely denegrates 1. anyone who is even 5 pounds overweight and 2. aging people would be shocked that this had happened. We are, as a society, brainwashing kids to hate anyone who is different from them. This culture of hate needs to stop, now. It is up to the parents to stop it. Most won't care.

      June 24, 2012 at 7:37 am |
  39. emma

    When I was in school, there was no way anyone would get away with the nonsense these kids did. Talking back to a teacher got you (A) backed against the wall by the teacher; (B) sent to the principal's office for more discipline and (C) dealt with by your parents when you got home. The problem today is there are no consequences for these kids. Almost all parents are afraid of CPS (or the threat of it), and are too self-absorbed to put time and energy into raising their kids properly. A lot of the blame is our society. When we started readily accepting and supporting every 13 year old who wanted to have a baby, how exactly did we think their children were going to grow up?

    June 23, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  40. Brittani

    Uhm mr. don ramo ne aka the flea I am a 12 yearold "NI55A" and I dont steal and never have nor do I smoke or drink and I am an straight A-B student and I took your comment offensive and so did my father and mother whose never been in jail in their life and why you are being rude and disrespectful but I wonder how many times you've been in jail or how many times you have stolen or how many times you drink or smoke a day! i hope some other "NI55A's" see your comment and come looking for you and I will help!
    Oh and i am black....thanks Fedup!

    June 23, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Gay guy

      Brittani, who are u talking too? Anyway ur theatenig an adult, Why? Because ur parents let u? U need ur face slapped

      June 23, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
  41. Dale N.M.

    “People are so resigned to it. It’s almost invisible – it’s just the way things are. Kids can’t imagine what a school would look like without bullying, so teachers are resigned to it, too.”

    Bullying At home To it’s just the way things are !

    June 23, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  42. Season in Hell

    I am a teacher that is tired of dealing with students who would rather spend their days planning the best place to have a fight instead of trying to learn something. They curse,scream, throw desks and try to get the teachers in the middle of the action so they can beat on them too. I would LOVE to see some of the people who said the teachers should TAKE CHARGE of their students. These critics would run screaming for the exits. Take charge only works if you are lucky enough to work in a community that values education and for an administration that will back you up.

    June 23, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Joe

      I agree. That positive intervention idea is complete foolishness and truth be told, who ever buys into it is a fool. You have to show a violent kid who is boss. It begins by showing them that an authority is not going to tolerate their insubordination and threatening behavior and that violence will receive severe discipline. In short, you kick their as s.

      June 23, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
  43. Smith

    Wake up America. The new discipline-du-jour is called PBIS (positive behavior intervention system). In elementary school, when a student becomes violent, the teacher calls the office for backup. IF backup arrives (which it does not always) the teacher moves her classroom to a different area (hallway or cafeteria). The counselor or special ed teacher stays in the room with the violent child until he/she calms down. Since the counselor or special ed teacher is trained in non-violent intervention techniques, they do not touch the violent student unless he is a dnager to himself or others. He is allowed to throw furniture, tear bulletin boards off the walls, etc. as long as no one is getting hurt. What lesson do you think a five year old is learning who is allowed to do this? I've seen teachers stay in the hallway for more than an hour while the violent student "calms down." How much learning is lost to schools that implement PBIS?

    June 23, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  44. Jonquil

    We really need ethics classes in 2012. Kids are not learning about empathy and respect for other human beings, at home, so it needs to be taught in school. Having a chaotic homelife, with no feeling of safety and security, as well as no instruction on building a core of strong character, not only hurts those these kids interact with, it leaves them vulnerable to be abused by others because they don't understand the basic boundaries of respect that every person deserves - including themselves.

    Just because an adult complains about something your child might have done, that doesn't mean your child is automatically at fault. But how they see you deal with the situation speaks volumes to them. Are you somber about it, willing to listen to the complaint and then privately discuss it with your child? Do you listen to your child's patterns of communication; are they fearful, excessively aggressive, routinely cruel in their assessment of someone or something?

    Pay attention, parents. Neither screaming at teachers "Don't discipline my child" nor ignoring a child's plea that something is bothering them, that something is wrong, will do a service to them. If you're getting reports around the neighborhood that your child is destroying property or yelling swears at people minding their own business, on their own lawns, take it seriously.

    June 23, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  45. use the rod

    generations getting softer , discipline the parents and children both need to learn

    June 23, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
  46. Donald R. Hicks

    Time to get rid of the "timeouts" and bring back the good ol' fashion ass whoopin'!

    June 23, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Teacher E

      Nice idea, but it doesn't work. In my first teaching position, I worked in a high school where misbehaving students could be pulled out of class for corporal punishment. They'd come back into class rubbing their sore butts, but two days later they'd be right back at the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place.

      As a teacher, you have to come up with your own strategies to show kids you're not afraid of them and that you have certain expectations in your classroom; that's not easy to do when your not a 6'5 ex-Marine, but it can be done. Showing them respect and expecting the same in return does work.

      June 23, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
      • Portland tony

        @teacher e...Best comment I've seen today. 🙂

        June 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
      • Do It

        You can train a stupid dog, you can train a stupid kid. Use electric shocks if needed with a cattle prod.

        June 23, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
      • MitziW

        It works until the day you really have to send a kid to the office, and the administrator sends him right back with no consequences. Once the kids realize you have no administrative backup, they are sharks in the water, and YOU are the chum.

        June 26, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Tim Hughes

      Smartest thing I've heard in years! Hang a big paddle in every classroom!

      June 23, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  47. Bulletproof

    These kids are products of their parents. These kids don't have any respect for adults, when I was a child we never disrespect any grown up and if you do, that ass will catch a beating. CNN take a poll: Should these kids be expel for a year. I vote YES...This is a elderly lady, shame on the parents of these boys for failing as a Mother and Father before the nation

    June 23, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  48. Bulletproof

    These kids are products a their parents. These kids don't have any respect for adults, when I was a child we never disrespect any grown up and if you do, that ass will catch a beating. CNN take a poll: Should these kids be expel for a year. I vote YES...This is a elderly lady, shame on the parents of these boys for failing as a Mother and Father before the nation.

    June 23, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  49. Crocker

    Bullying only succeeds if it is allowed and nothing is done to stop it. In our current society, there is no accountability. Without accountability there is no respect for authority. You can thank our liberal controlled society for that.

    June 23, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Liberal

      "You can thank our liberal controlled society for that."

      This is especially hilarious considering that it's always conservatives who oppose anti-bullying laws.

      June 23, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  50. dave

    Public Education is a societal and moral bully.

    June 23, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  51. hammer

    When was the last time cnn US head line story was US TROOPS KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN?CNN does not care about the troops anymore.

    June 23, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • dave

      The media is a bully

      June 23, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  52. atlsouth56@gmail.com

    My only rule with dealing with punks is to treat them as the punks they are. A school bus is an extension of school and home. Nothing will get their attention until the school system and parents (both) treat them as the punks that they are.

    June 23, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • dave

      Sandusky is a bully. Pelosi is a bully, Holder is a bully. Obama is a major bully. Chris Mathews is a bully. Rachael Madcow is a bully. Ed Shchultz is a flaming bully. Diiscuss.

      June 23, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
      • Tortoise

        Walker is a bully. Kasich is a bully. O'Reilly is a bully. Hannity is a bully. Limbaugh os a bully. Cantor is a bully. Romney is a bully. Boehner is just plain stupid. McCsin is a bully. McConnel is a bully. Discuss.

        June 23, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Portland tony

      It maybe an extension of school, but very few homes have 40 or 50 kids, half of whom are trying to show off to their peers, assembled together with nothing in particular to do.

      June 23, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  53. Portland tony

    To quote some lyrics from a generation ago ".....All and all, your just another brick in the wall" Kids today, from what commenters are saying, are so disrespectful compared to those who grew up a generation or so ago. So the college grads and administrators of today are unable to cope with this overwhelming army of miscreants who now pose as teenagers. And these posers are now so much more powerful and intelligent that they can outwit the entire college educated staffing at middle and high schools around the country. Something just isn't right?

    June 23, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  54. ExEd

    I taught HS English to students who had been socially promoted. My "best" student could read on a third-grade level and he was in the 10th grade. I had seniors who could write their names–but nothing else. Behavior was out the window. Parental involvement didn't exist. And the school administration would offer no support. Fights between students happened daily. My life was threatened on many occasions. I'm not proud of it, but I quit teaching. Parenting is a job very few take seriously. Morals?? Forgive my chuckle as I wipe tears from my eyes. Society is to blame. We ALLOW this to happen. When we stop ALLOWING bad behavior then and only then will things get any better.

    June 23, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • It's me, it's me!

      I agree 100% that it is a societal problem. I student taught in Spain and I had absolutely no behavioral problems. It was completely understood that adults are there to help you. I have a friend who is teaching in China who was given many gifts on the 1st day of school and at the beginning and end of each class, the students bow to show their respect or bow and state, "thank you for helping me and my future." I cannot imagine any of my students whom I have taught in this country for 20 years saying anything like that because that is not how we feel as a society about teachers.
      I have great classroom management and actually love what I do as a Spanish teacher but it is exhausting that we educators have to work so hard to deal with a societal norm that isn't necessarilly the norm elsewhere...

      June 23, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
      • New Orleans

        I agree with It's me, it's me! Outside of the USA teachers are respected. Here, they are not, Is it because the public schools don't charge tuition and fees? Alot of parents with no respect for education teach their own children to not respect education. Even though property taxes and sales taxes pay for public schools parents need to be charged for their child's education. What to do if they are on welfare? Subtract a fee from their check. Of course, this will NEVER happen. Schools should just expel students who are disrespectful. Those boys should not be allowed to ride a school bus for the rest of their educational years (up to 12th grade, if they even get that far).

        June 23, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
      • MitziW

        Absolutely true. The most respectful students I ever had were from various war-torn countries in Africa. They realized that education was a PRIVILEGE, not a right. They were shocked at the behavior of some of the American kids. I will never forget the day an African-American high school football star went ballistic on me for asking him to open his grammar book and pay attention. As I lead him out to the hall, my girl from Burundi hissed at him, "You fool! You appreciate nothing! And, you make us all look bad! You make me ashamed!"

        June 26, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  55. b

    i blame the judicial system, it all started when the laws let the kids sue their parents

    June 23, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  56. B

    BULLY can lead murder people...................

    June 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  57. Scarythought

    What's sad is that some teacher's job rating is going to be based on the TEST SCORES of these same students. So when these kids don't do well in school, it's the teachers fault. So no matter what the action, these kids NEVER take the blame. It's good to be a kid these days.

    June 23, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • O H.

      This new law is only for public education right? I wonder what would happen if we apply it to all education levels, let's say, hum, I don"t .....COLLEGE degree? Wouldn't it be great if I go get my masters and Ph.D degress and not have to study for it? iit wouldn't be my fault if I don't pass right?. It would be my professor's !! So why are these ridiculous laws passing and why aren't we getting involved?

      June 23, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • B

      It's NOT teacher's fault... It's parent's responiable to teach children respect people.... NOT TEACHER.............

      June 23, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • HereHere

      Fabulous observation... putting a persons job on the line based on a 3 hour test taken by a 13 year old.... not a good plan. I say all politicians and news media should take the tests or at least teach for a period of time... then their tune will change.

      June 23, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
  58. Archyle

    If we don't toughen up our kids and discipline them they will grow up without any sense of morals or obligations and before you know it we live in Europe, a place run by middle aged idealistic juveniles with no life experience who want to borrow money from mom (Germany) and dad (Britain) when they blow it all...you've been warned

    June 23, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  59. Archyle

    The laws in place that allow this type of behavior are the pattern. I bet if the teachers all went on strike and made parents to deal with the brats they raised 10 hours out of the day they wouldn't sue.

    I love my sis, and her children, but they are seriously spoiled with no respect for elders and no concept of consequences and this is the norm now. When I broke the rules I got popped, and I promise it made me better for it.

    June 23, 2012 at 11:09 am |
  60. erexx

    Kids bully kids and its no big deal.
    The ones who shoot back are the ones with the problems...
    Kids bully Adults and its a public outrage.
    There must be something wrong with these kids...

    Its extremely cruel mental abuse and no one wants to do anything about it.
    Its kids raising kids with kids in charge.

    June 23, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • Archyle

      the issue is that parents listen to all these pundits on news networks argueing so many different points of view that they end up not being able to make a decision. Our generation was raised by television and internet so that's where we go when we need advice..Not the best source...

      June 23, 2012 at 11:16 am |
  61. Ronnie

    If parents are respectfull to each other it will rub off on the kids. Parents fight in front ofkids, TV shows on Oprah and others show verbal violence, the kids learn that as acceptable behavior.

    June 23, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • dta

      I used to not buy this argument, but I'm beginning to agree, certainly something has changed in our society, it seems we're raising a generation of sociopaths. AS far as the backlash against these "children", there use to be a popular phrase, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime". Well, guess what little boys, it's time..

      June 23, 2012 at 10:48 am |
  62. tom-tom

    It is the community that needs to stop bullies. Not only do we need to teach our kids to respect each other and not bully, we also have to teach them to stand up for others when they see this kind of behavior. That was a busload of kids and there were other kids on that bus that didn't approve of what was going on but felt powerless to stop it. If one kid had been brave enough to stand up and say "That's not cool. Stop it." chances are other kids would have also stood up, too. And the power the bullies craved would have been taken away from them by their peers.

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

    June 23, 2012 at 10:26 am |
  63. Seriously?

    A Syrian surface to air battery manned by a Russian crew shot down a Turkish F4 Fantom, a member of NATO, and that is no here to be seen on CNNs page, yet we are talking about bullying....a problem yes but just another bizarre display of editorial priorities by a news organization that is on the ropes and dying fast.

    June 23, 2012 at 10:26 am |
  64. And educator

    Until the consequences in the school system are more severe and until parents spend more time teaching their children right from wrong instead of trying to be their friends or buddies this will never change. The worst part about all of this is how bad it makes our school system look to the rest of the world. What do you think would have happened to those kids if this had occurred on the middle east? I bet they would have gotten more than just a day of detention.

    June 23, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • An educator

      I hate auto correct on cell phones. Anyway I am curious to know what Mitt Romney would say about this. After his selective amnesia about his own bullying incident it would be interesting to see what he says with this issue brought to the forefront. I see a possible debate

      June 23, 2012 at 9:05 am |
      • An educator

        question on this topic showing up later when the first televised presidential sparring match occurs this fall.

        June 23, 2012 at 9:08 am |
  65. Wendy

    Bottom line......they copy what their parents do....c'mon parents....teach your children to respect all human beings.....

    June 23, 2012 at 6:25 am |
    • Mojo

      kids need to care about ALL living creatures. Those who care for pets and wildlife are the ones who become good deed doers.
      And parents need to teach and emulate that same quality.

      June 23, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  66. Really?

    People are saying negative stuff about a grandmother. Really? She seems so sweet. We need to pay the money for her gift tax, I am game. These kids need their rear ends kicked. Go grandma!!!

    June 23, 2012 at 5:15 am |
    • Melawian

      Spoken like a true bully. I bet you picked on everybody from a young age.

      June 23, 2012 at 11:22 am |
      • Gay guy

        Ur an idiot melawwian, BUST THESE LITTLE TERRORISTS ASS REAL GOOD, THEY WILL BEHAVE, ALL THIS IS LIBERALS FAULT

        June 23, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
  67. Jonc

    Seriously? These adults can't stand up to a bunch of punk kids? That's why kids are nasty little base tards. Parents, teachers, and administrators lack the stones to stand up to these punks. When u fail to do anything about it as an adult then it's your fault. If they know they can get away with it they will. Stand up for yourself, sissies!

    June 23, 2012 at 4:18 am |
    • An educator

      So what you're saying is that she should have turned around and cussed the kids out and started kicking their button. Clearly you don't know much about our school system. You wouldn't make it longer than 1 day as a school district employee without getting sued.

      June 23, 2012 at 9:16 am |
      • Jaime

        Right, her only options were sitting there crying or cussing them out. Nothing in between...

        June 23, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Heather Halligan

      Thank our courts

      June 23, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  68. John

    She deserved to get bullied, its people like these old fat oxygen thiefs leech off our tax payer money. I hope she gets bullied more again, maybe she'll stop stuffing her face full of so many cheesburgers.

    June 23, 2012 at 4:11 am |
    • john

      its people like you that waste oxygen with your hate, i'll bet you were a bully when you were young and seeing what those kids on the bus did just makes you reminesce about your childhood

      June 23, 2012 at 5:28 am |
    • Oliver Jack Peter

      Also, you probably love to run batches to videos like this.

      June 23, 2012 at 6:01 am |
    • Alicia

      As far as I'm concerned, you're the o2 thief. Running your mouth, and all that comes out is bullsh!t. Another POS that society can do without.

      June 23, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • Mr.James

      John, your moronic state of mind is shocking and an affront to common decency. You will write "I am a waste of space" 100 times before bedtime tonight and bring to school tomorrow to leave on my desk. If you fail to do this you will be sent to the principal's office. Do you understand?

      June 23, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • Ash

      Really??? Wow your one of the bullies aren't you

      June 23, 2012 at 9:11 am |
  69. Anne

    All parents should be educated about behavior first. It all starts at home! Why these kids are behaving this way is very alarming. It is mean, rude and aggresive. I can not imagine what kind of adults they are going to become.

    June 23, 2012 at 3:31 am |
  70. Don

    We should stop treating teenagers as kids, they're not. They have the power to pro-create. If they have that power, nature is saying they are mature to handle more things. If they abuse that new power, then they should be dealt with as adults with some considerations as being just becoming of age. For punishment, unless it is so heinous, should be a given some leeway but it should still be dealt with close to adults than children.

    June 23, 2012 at 3:17 am |
  71. Kim Richard Smith

    No, really, you left a mild-mannered, timid-looking sixty-eight year old woman in charge of a bunch of middle school students and expected something else to happen?

    June 23, 2012 at 2:25 am |
    • An educator

      It took a lot of control to do what she did. And in regards to her being mild-mannered, everyone is capable of aggressiveness and violence if they're pushed far enough.

      June 23, 2012 at 9:21 am |
  72. me

    Jaime thank you soo much for speaking the truth. That woman doesn't deserve a dime. She is a bus monitor, she obviously did not do her job. Her only job requirement is to prevent kids from acting like that on the bus so the driver doesn't beat them like they deserve and get bogus lawsuits filed. Bring back paddling, i have 2 daughters 1 is 19 months and the other a month old, if the child shows disreguard for authority and doesn't respond to detention and write-ups then they deserve a paddling. But if the parents actually watched their kids and taught them discipline then that wouldn't happen in the first place. I hate this pitiful world more and more as the years go by. What happened to our integrity, discipline, work ethic, determination, and our desire for intelligence? Few care about those values these days.

    June 23, 2012 at 1:54 am |
  73. Jaime

    "Rather than “writing a student up” or “reporting to the principal,” Wiseman suggests a clear, respectful reaction..."

    Except she didn't do that! She didn't do anything! She just sat there and looked out the window. For goodness sake, her job as bus monitor is to stop that sort of crap. So for failing to do her job, let's give her over $450,000 and all expenses paid trip to Disneyland for 9 people. Ridiculous! I'm so sorry she got bullied, it's not fun. But if we gave like this to everyone who's been bullied, we'd all be broke. People need to get a grip and donate their money to a more worthy cause.

    June 23, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • Norma Green

      No, her job is not to "stop that crap" – that is the parent's job. To raise kids that have respect for authority and have respect for this woman and other people in general. That's the problem – these parents want teachers, bus monitors and anyone else to raise their kids. Kids are raised to have no respect or fear of the consequences. Mommy and Daddy will call the school and take up for littlle Johnny. Like the mother of one of the punks said in an interview "I feel sorry for everybody." She apparently doesn't get it, or let's hope she does and feels sorry that she raised such animal. My kids rode the bus occasionally to school and the monitors wrote any names of kids that didn't behave, their names were sent to the office and the kids were banned from the bus. The bus fee was not cheap – $200.00. But then we sent our kids to a private school and there was no tolerance for this type of behavior, on the bus or in the school.

      June 23, 2012 at 2:48 am |
      • Jaime

        Norma, if that's not her job, then pray tell what IS the job of a bus monitor?

        June 23, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • cmnsnce

      Yes,like corporate America.

      June 23, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • lola

      she did her Job right cuz those lil punks wanted some kind of bad reaction from her and they never got that...
      why? Cuz she knew that's what they wanted and also she knows those lil punks are protected in schools not matter what...
      she knew she could get fired or in a law suit.
      why cuz parents always think "oh my lil kids are Angels" but they don't know they have lil punks instead.

      June 23, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
      • Jaime

        Her crying isn't a bad reaction? Really? They got exactly what they wanted.

        June 24, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • vsw

      I am also very sorry that this happened to the lady, those kids allowed a very evil side of themselves to come out in public, but the lady had a job to do. She obviously wasn't qualified to do it. I am a classroom teacher. I could allow the kids to run over me in the classroom, and believe me, some would choose to do it, but I don't allow it. I have seen other teachers come and go who didn't "take charge" in a way that they actually gained respect of the kids for the way they took charge in the classroom. Some of you might say that she isn't paid what I'm paid or that she didn't have the proper training. I think about my grandmother who didn't allow anyone to disrespect her and would done SOMETHING.The lady could have asked the bus driver to stop and call for help if needed. All buses have communication systems now. She should have taken their names and reported them immediately. Also, all of our buses are equipped with cameras. It seems that she "allowed" it to happen by not doing one thing – nothing, nada. The boys were having their way with her. I hope the boys are terribly embarrassed about at some point in their lives about what they did, but this lady was part of the problem. The public just saw what happens when kids are allowed to get out of control. I have seen an article that calls the lady a hero, I don't' know why, she didn't do one thing other than sit and allow the boys to have a good ole time with her.

      June 24, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
      • Jaime

        I'm pretty sure you're right and she didn't have any training. My question is why not? She is being paid to keep kids safe on the bus so she needs to be qualified for this job. We train police officers, security guards, even at the elementary school I went to, the students who were "conflict managers" were trained on how to handle conflict resolution. Above, Norma stated that it wasn't her job to keep the kids in line, it was the parents. Certainly, discipline starts at home. But unfortunately, many parents do not discipline their kids correctly, and sometimes even the best kids act up. Karen was meant to be there to control those sort of situations. Tell me, if these boys had verbally attacked another student, would we be sending the bus monitor who did nothing on an all expenses paid vacation to Disneyland? I think not. Karen's job was not only to stop misbehaving kids, but protect the others. She was not equipped to do that job and if we actually acknowledge that and provide bus monitors with the training they need, we could lessen the chance of this happening.

        June 24, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  74. Lou

    One similar situation arose in 2 Kings 2:23-25. Unfortunately for those boys, their parents failed to empower their young ones with respect for others' sensitivities. The lesson there is that the children will pay the price one day for the self-centered upbringing provided by their parents, those in mine and my own parents' generations. Even my own father would let my silings and I do and say as we pleased, making fun of our lack of 'common sense', and still then he would fail to provide sound guidance and prove to be the sarcastic cynic that he remains today. We learned nothing from him but what selfishness was. If not for our other family members, we wouldn't have learned to be upstanding citizens. To this day, most problems with one generation can find its roots, those which get passed on from one man (or parent) to the next.

    June 23, 2012 at 1:28 am |
  75. don ramone aka the flea

    I BET THOSE PUNKS WHO BULLIED HER WERE NI55AS RIGHT? give em a year or two and they will be in jail or robbing a store for a forty oz and a pack of newports....lol

    June 23, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • FedUp

      Actually they were upper middle class WHITE kids. So before you automatically blame another race why don’t you get your F**king facts straight. And regardless of race it is wrong and it wrong for you to stereotype, but your stereotyping just shows how ignorant you are, so i guess you are the NI55A...F**king A**hole.

      Oh and I am not black.

      June 23, 2012 at 1:19 am |
      • Mr.James

        "Fedup", your use of profanity seriously undermines what you are trying to say. In future revise what you have written and delete all foul language.

        June 23, 2012 at 9:15 am |
      • Gay guy

        ONE BOY WAS BLACK, ONE BOY WAS WHITE, ONE BOY WAS HISPANIC, RACE DONT MATTER, THESE BOYS ARE TRASH, WATCH THE HOLD VIDEO ON YOUTUBE, IT WAS NOT A GROUP OF WHITE BOYS, SORRY LIBERALS

        June 23, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
  76. ANONLEGION

    i hate NY, nothing good ever comes out of there. can we get another plane to kill these kids parents. the parents are already useless they dont discipline these children.

    June 23, 2012 at 12:56 am |
  77. ANONYMOUS

    i hate NY, nothing good ever comes out of there. can we get another plane to kill these kids parents. the parents are already useless they dont discipline these children. fly another plane please!

    June 23, 2012 at 12:55 am |
    • Jakob

      Dafuq is wrong with you, wanting to kill kids?

      June 23, 2012 at 9:52 am |
  78. hateyou

    GOD said RESPECT YOUR FATHER & MOTHER for he will BLESS YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
    This kids are just kids some day they will realized what they did,hope ask for GOD FORGIVENESS.

    June 23, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • tgm

      If "GOD" reallydid vocalise that command, does it prove that he/she/it is ENGLISH ?

      June 23, 2012 at 4:15 am |
    • Jakob

      Really a bad name to choose when you're bringing the love of god to people... @Hateyou...

      June 23, 2012 at 9:55 am |
  79. SUE

    IT IS TRUE. TEACHERS PUT UP WITH SO MUCH CRAP OFF OF KIDS. THEY HAVE BEEN DISEMPOWERED. REALLY, HOW CAN THEY TEACH THESE SOCIALLY DEFUNCT DELINQUENTS ? THEY ARE BRATS.

    June 23, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • notsosilent

      Kids donn't respect teachers because the american public in general does not respect teachers. Teachers are the enemy, at least that is how so many in government have painted them out to be. According to Fox News, teachers are single handedly trying to bring down the government with their unions. When this is the rhetoric thrown around, its no wonder there is no respect for authority.

      June 23, 2012 at 1:49 am |
      • Gay guy

        Im embaressed, im a republican, and I thought teachers now adays with their unions were hurting kids, WHAT A DAMN JOKE THAT IS, TEACHERS ARE THE VICTIMS OF EVIL CHILDREN AND SHI__Y PARENTS

        June 23, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
  80. Menthu

    Come now....Kids are like their parents is *B u l l. I bet you guys saying this stuff don't even have kids. Like all misbehaved anamals you have to jack them good OR get rid of them. Have them for supper....

    June 23, 2012 at 12:16 am |
  81. mikrik13

    I was born in the 50's. No child would speak like this kid did to an adult without receiving a serious whipping. Another great reason to hate lawyers.

    June 23, 2012 at 12:07 am |
  82. Portland tony

    Maybe a serious role playing semester class in a teacher's senior year of college of the psychology of dealing with extremely hostile classroom or student confrontation. Followed by a local briefing of disciplinary can do's and don'ts in the district the new teacher will be employed.

    June 22, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • SUE

      LOL GET REAL. LISTEN TO YOURSELF. WHO ARE YOU LOOKING AT TO CORRECT THE SITUATION? SINCE WHEN DID IT BECOME THE TEACHERS JOB TO PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR KIDS LIKE THESE? HOW ABOUT PARENTS TAKING A COURSE IN CHILD MANAGEMENT OR DISCIPLINE AND CORRECTION PRIOR DURING PREGNANCY? LOL IT IS THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO CORRECT THE MATTER AND IF IT IS NOT CORRECTED, THE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RIDE THE BUS AGAIN. RIDING THE BUS IS A PRIVILEGE. LET THEM WALK!

      June 23, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • notsosilent

      so you are saying that teachers should have to pay thousands of dollars to take an extra class just to role play getting treated like sh%t????? You are delusional! Teach your children to respect adults, plain and simple!!!!

      June 23, 2012 at 1:51 am |
    • Portland tony

      @sue and @notso. In a perfect world, it's the parent's responsibility to instill all those values in their children that would prevent these incidents. Well good parenting skills are not a requisite for having children in the first place ...your points though true are moot. The issue is control of errant behavior by students while under the supervision of school authorities. Throwing your hands up and blaming the parent is not going to solve behavior problems. If the teacher is better prepared to deal with disciplinary problems, it at least gives them a chance to do their job which is teach...not play the blame game!

      while under the supervision of

      June 23, 2012 at 9:22 am |
  83. Gina

    I used to cry every year in May during period 6, but the year I cried in October during period 1 I knew I'd have to leave my teaching career. The high school students were so malicious. I stood outside my classroom. in uncontrollable sobs.Wake up America. This what society has created. Monsters.

    June 22, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
  84. spent

    It all comes down to respect! If the parent has little respect for self, how can that parent teach respect to the child?

    June 22, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
  85. Dizzyd

    Kids, adults...bullying is NOT okay...PERIOD!!!

    June 22, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
  86. Debbie

    I am at a loss for words.. I cant stop shaking my head.

    June 22, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • SUE

      HA I AM A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER AND I AM NOT AT A LOSS FOR WORDS. THIS IS TYPICAL. ITS ABOUT TIME THE MEDIA REVEALS WHAT REALLY GOES ON IN SCHOOLS. STUDENTS ARE MADE TO LOOK SO INNOCENT AND WHEN A TEACHER FINALLY SNAPS AND YELLS AT THEM, THE MEDIA SWARMS IN AS THE CHILD CRIES "VERBAL ABUSE". LOL HILLARIOUS. GO VISIT YOUR LOCAL SCHOOL UNANNOUNCED AND SEE WHAT YOU SEE AND HEAR.

      June 23, 2012 at 12:36 am |
      • New Orleans

        Ain't that the truth.

        June 23, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  87. albro

    Interesting. we teachers take that crap every day, and nobody offers us $450K! We take all that for less than your local UPS delivery driver makes, And you say that the educational system is at fault.

    June 22, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Veritas

      You know what America's like. If there's a problem, throw money at it and hope it goes away!

      June 22, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
      • Jakob

        Plus, we only do stuff about it when we can see a video of it.

        June 23, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • retired teach

      I just retired from teaching and I can tell you that kids bully teachers every day. If a teacher calls a parent about it very often the parent will take up for the child. Teaching is a dfficult profession in this day and time.

      June 22, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
  88. bob

    One parent has stepped up and commented about his son's behavior. Where are the other 3 parents on the disaster??

    June 22, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
  89. Andrew

    This behavior has been around forever. Its from the cuddling and bending over backwards letting these kids run their parent's lives or the parents completely neglecting them all together. So these kids become rotten to the core and no good is going to come from this kind of destructive behavior. Its comparable to rodents. All they do is destroy. Lets be responsible adults and not raise destructive bile to plague this world.

    June 22, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Mark

      I totally agree with you . Parents these days have no skills and spend their lives buying their children off. Not showing them to respect money. Not making them work for it. Most parents these days suck and it shows in these mini adults. What a joke you half wit parents are.

      June 22, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
      • Kat

        Out of curiosity, how many kids do YOU have? Because I know I did all my best parenting beford my kids were even born.

        June 22, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
      • Anne

        Good one, Kat. Me too 🙂

        June 23, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Veritas

      Educators ought to get a grip of the PC brigade. As school principal, I was in the school playground at the end of recess. A teacher took a 6 year olds arm gently and said " Your grade is lining up over there". The child shook her off roughly and pushed her saying "You're not allowed to TOUCH me it's against the law!"

      He refused to apologise so I looked him staright in the eye and said " My hand is alive and well on the end of my arm and I tell you now – I might lose my job – but I will have the supreme satifaction of slapping you hard first! "

      He apologised. Got praise for doing so but he STILL had detention for 3 evenings.

      I told his mom what I'd said word for word. She asked "Did he do as you said?" I said yes, and she asked me how soon I could move in as he was such a little ******* at home! [her word, not mine]

      June 22, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
      • nena

        I know, you handled it like leader! if a person accidently brush by them and they threaten to sue. They feel too much confidence. and those administrators at Greece district seemed very weak, they first thing they talk about is all this hesitant legalese talk, like "oh our bully whatever team is "investigating" this and we can't do anything about it until September. what?! that should have been the last thing on their minds. speak up, tell it like it is! don't make carefully crafted jargon. get a fire in your belly!

        June 25, 2012 at 5:20 am |
  90. Tearsoflife52

    I am silently bullied at school where i work and all staff participates. stalking watching listening to my calls and then talking abovt me by mimicing is taught to the children to get back at me. horrible.

    June 22, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Mark

      The people at your school are idiots. Have them fired. And we wonder why our country is going down the drain.

      June 22, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Veritas

      That is DREADFUL. What kind of a school allows that?

      June 22, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
  91. jesie

    I have 24/7 cameras in my classroom. The students and parents are aware. I have no problems.

    June 22, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • Joe

      That's illegal in many parts of the United States unfortunately.

      June 22, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • Gina

      Cameras in the class should be the norm!

      June 23, 2012 at 1:22 am |
      • Jakob

        Agreed.

        June 23, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • New Orleans

      Now that's a great idea! But in my county, PRIVACY of the individual student takes precedent over showing the parents what awful stuff goes on in the classroom each day. Parents should homeschool if it is economically possible. But a federal law requiring a camera in every classroom for the parent to access via their computer at any time during the school day, would fix a LOT of problems. Smile, you are on candid camera!!! But the Teachers Unions and ACLU will never permit that.

      June 23, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • nena

      24/7 cameras, wow, that's good. I heard of one outside of a classroom but I didn't know there could be one inside. that is a good idea!

      another problem in the schools is students so addicted to their cell phones and ipods. they constantly wear the ear pieces in their ears, and you tell them to put it away, and they say, "it's not on" and look at you like you're some kind of idiot. wrong. they have this dull drugged look in their eyes, and are just constantly texting and well, they shouldn't have those things in class or even own them except for emergency when they have to call a parent if they took the wrong bus and got lost in the city or something similiar. they should not have any facebook, or anything like that until they are adults! the best schools outlaw cell phones and take them away for the whole semester if they are caught with them. Serves them right that this time the electronic devices turned against them.

      June 25, 2012 at 5:12 am |
  92. b

    i blame the parents for not teaching the students respect, respect went away with the paddle.
    these kids should have at least 1 year of community service in the open where they can be humiliated.
    maybe have to do work around mrs kleins home

    June 22, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Saxson

      To the bus monitor

      I am sorry you had to listen to that smuck.. kids are so mean now days... to each other and to the adults... i agree they need punishment.. and there parents as well.. i would never allow my kid to speak to an adult in this manner or even another child.

      June 22, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Crocker

      There is no respect because there is no accountability. Ya gotta have both in society.

      June 22, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • Heinz-57

      right you are. The kids are only a reflection of their parents who taught them to be as they are. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Suspend the kids for a week of school next year and give the parents as many days community service.

      June 22, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
      • KhmerCNY

        Do not worry these bad bahavor punks will be in PRISON later in life or living in poverty. There are plenty of young abitious, intelligent immigrants will take the professional jobs. Therefore, USA still be a super power country in the world.

        June 23, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  93. Dallas

    Forgot to mention that the fund raiser is on indiegogo.com.

    June 22, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • Jackie

      Please she couldn't even do her job, she doesn't deserve a penny more

      June 23, 2012 at 1:29 am |
      • What Now

        Today, people in education who try to correct the kids are sued. Didn't you hear, it's no longer the kids fault for their bad behavior, nor their parents. Apparently, it's everyone else's fault. Possibly, you are even to blame.

        June 23, 2012 at 9:19 am |
      • lola

        I bet that those lil punks come from a family and a mother like you!
        N we wonder why!
        Of course she did her job n did it right.
        Somebody else would smack the hell those lil punks n then get fired.

        June 23, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
  94. Crocker

    In my day, those punks would have experienced the sting of the paddle. It was called corporal punishment and school officials were able to hand it out when needed. Anyone in authority was given respect. Not anymore in this liberal infested society. Ye reap what ye sew....

    June 22, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
  95. lola

    Good thing she didn't fight back, other wise she would be by now, with not job, no money and no vacation!
    You were a very smart lady! 🙂

    June 22, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • What Now

      Exactly.

      June 23, 2012 at 9:19 am |
  96. lola

    If that's the future generation OMG, I ll rather have and race pigs!
    I bet this problem is every where,
    those lil punks should get a punishment.

    June 22, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  97. lola

    So disgusting!

    June 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
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