300,000 education jobs lost, White House urges investment
Students and teachers protest education cuts in Los Angeles in May 2011.
August 18th, 2012
06:01 AM ET

300,000 education jobs lost, White House urges investment

By the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) - Budget cuts are forcing districts to scale back on teachers and staff, resulting in larger class sizes and fewer school days, according to a White House report released Saturday.

More than 300,000 education jobs have been lost since the end of the recession in June 2009, said the report, which was prepared by the White House Council of Economic Advisers, Domestic Policy Council and National Economic Council.

"Think about what that means for our country. At a time when the rest of the world is racing to out-educate America, these cuts force our kids into crowded classrooms, cancel programs for preschoolers and kindergarteners, and shorten the school week and the school year. That's the opposite of what we should be doing as a country," the report quotes President Barack Obama from an address in June.

As a result of the cuts, the national student-teacher ratio increased from 2008 to 2010, from 15.3 to 16, the report said, reversing nearly a decade of gains. Typical class sizes are larger than the ratio because it includes teachers for students with disabilities and other special cases.

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Some schools are also shaving the number of days students spend behind their desks by shortening the school week, school year and trimming programs like preschool and kindergarten, the report said.

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The White House report, "Investing in our Future: Returning Teachers to the Classroom," highlighted the potential consequences of such cuts: lower graduation rates and overall achievement levels. Obama also discussed teacher hiring his weekly address.

The report, which comes in an election year for Obama, also stressed the need to invest in education and praised Obama's plan to provide $25 billion to prevent layoffs and strengthen public education, while slamming Republicans in U.S. House of Representatives for passing a budget that would cut non-defense discretionary spending by almost 20%.

Republican Mitt Romney's education plan emphasizes school choice over efforts to reduce class sizes, a stance he said was backed by some studies, and his experiences as governor of Massachusetts. Earlier this year, he said he frequently heard teachers seek smaller class sizes, but some of the worst-performing schools in the state had small classes.

"Just getting smaller classrooms didn't seem to be the key," he said.

The White House report echoed some campaign rhetoric, urging action to keep students from falling behind and touting Obama's American Jobs Act. The American Federation of Teachers and National Education Association released statements Saturday in support of Obama's plan, warning of "poverty spiking and student enrollment increasing," and calling class size "a critical piece of the school improvement puzzle."

"The difference between the President's education budget proposals and those of Congressional Republicans highlights a choice between two fundamentally different visions for our country," the report said. "Nowhere is this contrast more clear than with regard to the choice about investments in teachers and educators as we enter the upcoming school year."

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  1. John

    You can thank Paul Ryan and the actions of his buddies in the House Republican caucus for this. Of course the millionaires still get to keep their tax cuts.

    August 18, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      When the mandatory union membership in Wisconsin (by the way, mandatory sounds great in a free world, is it not?) 60% of the unions member left. If union is that great, why did they leave?

      August 18, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  2. jude

    a texas...fast becoming the most uneducated state...is building multi million dollar school stadiums. back to the coliseum times...keep the masses dumb but entertained...those tricky repub conservatives know how to manipulate to keep their wealth.

    August 18, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • David

      I live in Florida and take issue with you. We spend less on education in this State than Mexico spends on each childs education. Our Governer is proud of how little we spend, and he is the guy who headed the hospital company that stole 13 billion from the Federal Government and got away with paying only 1.6 billion back.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
  3. MinemanUT

    If the Obama administration wants to decrease class size so badly, it is extremely easy to do that by making sure that every child in every public school is a citizen of the United States instead of an illegal alien. Once again U.S. Citizens suffer at the hands of illegal immigration. Why are US citizens being forced to pay for the education of people who are in our country illegally? This reduces the resources and quality of the education for your kids, "through no fault of their own".

    August 18, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • nullcodes

      I thought most public school funds come from local property and/sales taxes - and in some states the state contribution is from sales taxes too, which illegals end up paying directly or indirectly.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
      • A Teacher

        School revenue comes from the federal, state, ansd local level. For smaller and poorer localities, revenue comes from the state and federal levels.

        August 18, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
  4. Erik

    300,000, that many jobs. i dont See, enething bad about that, edekashun is stooopid, save monee an learn youself to read and rite. I do That all myself and lookee, i show you all my braiens here on the internts.

    August 18, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  5. Mark

    I've been teaching for 7 years and would be the first to admit the system is in need of major improvement. Teachers are being evaluated on standardized tests where success standards are being constantly lowered to help make schools and teachers look better. I'm a math teacher and I spend most of my time teaching the standards required. I have a whole range of students and abilities which often makes it difficult to find opportunities to push students to higher levels of learning when many times they don't have much of the prior knowledge necessary for just mastering the basic skills. I am in a non-union and non-tenure state so I'm fighting for my job each and every year. Teaching is one of the few professions where your success is not totally based on your abilities to do your job. Not to say there aren't bad teachers out there, but I think for the majority, if teaching was all they had to worry about, most would do just fine. But we have students coming into our rooms not prepared with the materials to be successful each day. We battle distractions each day to the learning environment, cell phones, ipods, and numerous behavior issues. Many students come from backgrounds that make learning even more difficult. Schools are expected to be a day care, feed students twice a day, instruct students how to be a decent human being, oh and also how to solve for x in a linear equation. And yet, teachers are expected to overcome all these obstacles and ensure that each student learn the required material. I am blessed to be a part of a wonderful team of teachers who work hard for the sake of students each day and an administration that is supportive and has a clear vision for our school and how we can better serve our students. My students for the most part work very hard, and I always assure them that if they are willing to put in their 100% effort, I will work 110% to make sure that they leave meet their goals. Unfortunately, for some, it somtimes feels more like we are dragging them kicking and screaming to success more than working with them to build success. We are tasked with taking all 150 students we see each day for the entire year where ever they are at, and try to make them successful in a subject they may care nothing about, and have little desire to work with us as we try to prepare them for a world outside school. My profession is not perfect, the system isn't perfect, but it would be nice to see more appreciation for teachers and all they do. Come to my school and you'll see it's not a bunch of adults sitting at their desks handing students worksheets and reading from a book.

    August 18, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • c dav

      Thank you!

      August 18, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  6. Cambride Ray

    One wonders: Which is the party where hatred is most concentrated and distilled?

    The only ones qualified to make a statement are the victims of prejudice, persecution and racism themselves. Let's ask them, shall we?

    Here's their response:

    – Black folks voted for Obama, by a 96% margin.
    – Jewish folks voted for Obama, by a 75% margin.
    – Hispanic folks voted for Obama, by a 66% margin.
    – Asian folks voted for Obama, by a 63% margin.
    – Gay folks voted for Obama, by an unknown margin.

    ps: Oh, I almost forgot the largest minority of all:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-04-01/swing-states-poll/53930684/1

    August 18, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Arthur Emma

      Hi there,

      I found the statistics you gave above quite thoughtful and provocative. I am a history teacher myself, so this upcoming election is one of utter importance for me as well.

      Nevertheless, I am an independent, and I plan on voting for the Mitt/Ryan team this year. But, I am very alarmed by your description of the GOP hating women. Would you please explain to me how this can be? I know a lot of intelligent, independent, and well-educated women who plan to vote the same way I do. If the GOP actually does hate women though, I certainly do not want anything to do with them.I would really appreciate it if you could fill me in with the facts.

      Thank you!

      -Arthur

      August 18, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
  7. billNY

    Obama has to go. This guy is a fool and a liar. Easily worse than Jimmy Carter and that's hard to believe.

    August 18, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • skytag

      Are you an automated attack bot? Nothing in this article forms a basis for attacking the president. Republicans, yes. The president, no.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Mike R

      The only one that I wish would go is ...YOU!

      August 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
  8. Juana Jackson

    The Teacher of the Year was Laid off because the TENURE program which keeps older incompetent teachers. CHANGE the TENURE program.

    August 18, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Dan, TX

      Getting rid of tenure is fine... The salaries of teachers would instantly rise substantially. After all, you will have to pay someone a lot more if their job is going to be a temporary one where they move in and out of the teaching profession depending on what other jobs are available. Overall, the quality of teaching as an aggregate will not likely improve.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  9. Honest Citizen

    The only ones to blame are the Democrats. They the ones in chanrge and the ones responsible. They had control of both houses and the White House.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • skytag

      Another right-wing fairytale. Republicans have controlled the House for a year and a half. These cuts are happening at the state and local level. The only way Congress could help is to appropriate more money for education and Republicans want to cut federal funding for education.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
      • What?

        Believe it or not, throwing money at this problem isn't the answer. We have to change the culture of learning in this country and make kids want to learn. You can have a class of 5 and if the kids don't want to participate and learn, they won't and all is wasted. This starts with the parents who need to step up.

        August 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • greg

      Really? The teacher cuts are coming from STATES. And the cuts are resulting from CONSERVATIVE voters unwilling to fund education. And Democrats do not control the HOUSE and when they did it would not have mattered because again, the cuts are from the STATES thanks to voters like you.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
      • MinemanUT

        Greg, have you ever wondered why the voters are wanting to reduce funding? It is because they can't afford it. Also, when they see that their hard earned tax money is being used to educate illegal immigrants(in Spanish) at the expense of what used to be good public education, they vote not to support the public school system and vote to keep more of their money to educate their kids in an environment where Spanish is now the primary language. In an environment where they don't have to worry about the security of their children. In an environment where the do not have to worry about being bullied, stolen from, etc.

        August 18, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
  10. tokencode

    Teachers should be required to work throughout the summer and provide summer classes to all students below a certain GPA. If summer school was required for all students below a C average, I garentee you would see grades improve. This is 3 solid months of small classroom sizes and extra help for those who need it. If you want to improve education, start by getting rid of the 3 month long rediculous vacation given to no other profession in this country.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • JB

      As a teacher, I will say this idea has merit in some ways. I don't know that I agree with the 'required' part given that the number of students just might be too low to require all staff to be working all summer. Still a great idea to eliminate the summer brain drain. I think ALL students need to be in school year 'round.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • gremlinus

      It's always wanting the teachers to give something up. Let me "enlighten" you. Some students would benefit from summer school, but a lot of poor performance is because they don't get any follow up/support/discipline from home. A teacher could teach all year round, but if the student isn't doing the homework and there is no one at home making sure they do, there is no help for it. I think school years could be extended (historically the breaks were for farming and for winter as I recall), but it's not going to help a lot of failing kids. And teachers don't get paid for the summer, unless they have their 9 month salary distributed over 12 months, in case you're under that illusion. Plus if it's just for a small number of kids, the cost to keep the buildings open may be prohibitive to some schools. And most states require teachers to do yearly re-certification such as taking classes (out of their own pocket) which they often get done during the summer. "keep them open year round" isn't exactly straightforward.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • greg

      That's fine, and then teachers should get compensated for working the extra hours.
      Summer was never about giving teachers a break (though they may need one after spending 9 months with a bunch of unruly kids). It's about giving kids time to be kids. It's also expensive to keep schools running in the heat of summer. But if taxpayers are willing to compensate the teachers and pay the AC bills, I'm onboard. Keep the kids in school year around.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • prkahuna

      Many teachers would agree with you and would welcome the chance to work with students in the summer, either those that have lower grades and/or all students. Any teach will tell you that it takes at least a month or so of "refresher" material to get the students back to where they were after the long summer break. Some have also advocated a system that perhaps uses a month long summer break combined with a slightly longer winter break.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Sue

      It is not exactly a vacation. Teachers get paid for 10 months work – they do not get paid during the summer. Guess you could call it a lay-off.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • dominque

      I totally agree ... Asia countries are advocating glucose drips in order to keep students on top of their academic level and countries in Europe are making education making education fun for student and they are excelling far ahead of the United States ,this is a terrible shame... We should be able to obtain the best and the brightest in our own country before taking individuals from other places

      August 18, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
      • Linda

        I don't know who told you that schools in Europe are fun. I went to a parochial school for 8 years of Higher Education and there was nothing fun about it. I did my job because my mother expected it and my teachers demanded it. The discipline for my misbehaviour would have resulted in being punished and humiliated twice. Once by the teacher or principal and second and more severe punishment by my mother. Students who did not want to learn were austed at the end of the school year. It was up to me to show that I was willing and able to master the curriculum. Our class size was 40 to 50 students to one teacher. That separates the students who want to learn from the rest very quickly and it takes a 2-tier system to manage. Not every student is willing or able to be a high achiever.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Booseyboo

      I don't think so...if the kid couldn't seem to learn during the regular eight months of school then what makes you think three more are going to help? Teachers, no matter how good they are cannot make a child learn if the child doesn't want to.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • c dav

      My Son who is a high school teacher does work the summers and does teach summer school when the FUNDS are available. He has his AP students doing class work through the summer. Get your facts straight. If there are so many cuts going on year after year how can the schools continue classes in the summer months? I agree school should be year round. How is many students get to high school who need remedial classes in reading, math and english? So many problems. DO NOT blame teachers completely! Where are parents and why do they not spend time and invest in their childs education?

      August 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • jon

      Good luck increasing the taxes that are required to do that. The extra money that is required to run a school through the summer will break the bank of the towns and state.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
  11. Freelance

    Time to get rid of Obama and bring on the Tea Party Patriots!!

    August 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Let's Get Real

      Politicians, School Boards and School Superintendents always cut teaching staff first when spending has to be reduced. They know that this is best way to get sympathy to raise taxes ... much like the military cutting soldiers, sailors and marines vs cutting officers and administration.

      This is easy fix, vote out incompetent local leadership!

      August 18, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • just wondering

      OH YES "THE LEMMING'S " PRINCIPAL. FULL SPEED AHEAD

      August 18, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Linda

      Sure, let's close or public schools and enrich private for profit schools. That will solve our education dilemma.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  12. tellitlikeitis

    Buy books while you still can.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  13. Jim

    A good example everyone should stop and discover (if you're not aware of it). It's called THE BLUE SCHOOL–and it's in NYC. (Search for it online). It's founded by "The Blue Man Group" and offers a fantastic approach to giving children the confidence in using their own creativity to discover, create and learn.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
  14. Dean

    Schools and education were much better before Carter created the Department of Education and they started demanding performance standards and testing for standards.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Dan, TX

      Do you really think so? I know my own kids work a lot harder, and study most topics in much more depth than I had the opportunity to do. There is a lot of busy work that is a waste of time like coloring maps and nonsense like that – which reminds me a lot of when I was in school. So, in some ways it hasn't changed, but I'm not sure what you mean.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  15. jaimie

    It is horrible to loose your job to the economy, let alone 300,000 others with you from the same field...... Education....... Imagine that.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • bu33le

      Jaimie - sadly one of the laid-off teachers could have taught you the difference between lose and loose

      August 18, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
  16. Dean

    More than 300,000 education jobs have been lost since the end of the recession in June 2009, said the report, which was prepared by the White House Council of Economic Advisers, Domestic Policy Council and National Economic Council.---------------------–I guess this maybe proves that Obama's policies have failed and that the recession is not really over.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Mike R

      Your observation is so INCORRECT! IT was Bush's idea of a perfect educational fix by implementing "No Child Left Behind" that created most of the mess the schools are in. Read your history Dean. Put the blame on the right person.
      Besides, most of the money that COULD HAVE GONE TO EDUCATION, instead went to looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction". The bill is still adding up.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • Linda

      If anything, it is our President's wish and goal for a good education for every child. The States receive their share of funds for their schools. If they want to spend it on other priorities you have to look to your State Government for blame. You can't pin this one on our President.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
  17. Kelley

    I took a pay cut and went to teach in a private school. Leaving the public sector and the parents was the best professional move I ever made. My students outperform public school kids socially both and academically. We also have no Unions and are subject to yearly contracts, no tenure. After 8 years in a public school, switching to the private school is a step many teachers should take.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Dan, TX

      So you are a better teacher in the private sector? Or you enjoy a pre-selected set of students who are motived and hence easier to teach? I imagine most teachers would prefer to work with children who are smart enough to teach themselves. Fortunately, with computer courses now available, we can do away with teachers entirely.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
      • whitman30

        Seriously??? Computer online class for non-motivated children. seriously??? You really think that works? I have seen the product of those computer classes and schools, and the parent who believed in it had two "A" students graduate form the new fix it academy, who couldn't even pass a votech class to get a job, much less college. Those two kids had zero basic skills.

        August 19, 2012 at 7:30 am |
  18. Jim

    Dammit. This ISN'T a "political issue" at all. Anyone who thinks it is–and who blames Obama or Romney and their gang of thousands or even Arne Duncan–is looking at the problem through rose-colored glasses that focus on the immediate situation instead of discovering the thunderclouds on the horizon. The politicans can't–or won't– do anything to change the shape, structure, philosophy and practice of giving students a valuable educational experience. And as I said before, throwing money at it may solve some short-term problems but it is a band-aid covering much more serious wound.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  19. garypsmith321

    This sounds to me as though there are 300,000 people with an opportunity to found private and charter schools. I can't help but wonder how many will move "forward", and how many will lay about whining. It will be interesting to see.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  20. WDinDallas

    300,000 lost since 2009. Appears that Obamanomics are to blame.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • empathy400

      Of course its Obama's fault just like it was his fault that; that shooting happened in Colorado , and that earthquake happened in Iran , and the drought that we are having, yep its all Obama's fault, apparently he is god and he controls everything if there was such a thing as god of course"sarcastic grin"

      August 18, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
      • Dean

        Nope the earthquake was Bush's fault.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
  21. empathy400

    I never went to college nor did I finish high school, why? because one schools has become too regimented, well actually they have always been that way, secondly everything you learn in school you will not need in the real world unless you plan on becoming like a doctor or architect or something , and lastly why would I want to pay thousands of dollars that I would have to pay off for the rest of my life just to end up working at McDonald's or on welfare anyways , it doesn't seem worth it , and plus now I own my own business and I didn't need any degree to start it, but I agree though even though I personally don't like schools , it doesn't mean other kids shouldn't get a chance to go to school, and I believe teachers should be treated with more respect.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • pgcouny

      Yeah, we can see that you never finished High School, or, attend College. Good luck with the business, though.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
      • empathy400

        Oh nice comeback yeah what you said was just so educated and profound i'm amazed not! haha.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
      • Sammy Z

        hehehe. You saw that too?

        "And not a single sentence was given."

        August 18, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • empathy400

      Because we all know that insulting others and acting immature is the most educated mature thing you can do right? the ironic thing is that some part of you must think I'm right or else why would you get so offended by what I say.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Dan, TX

      Plenty of people can be successful without formal education. You are one of them. Not everyone is the same and we don't all need the same education. In general, we all agree that people should have a strong command of English and so some school is necessary. It also is important for students to understand the different political, religious, and economic theories. Aside from that, perhaps it would be best to let students go their own way. Some people like to learn and are fascinated by mathematics, science, humanities, etc. and they could stay in a formal school while others could either take a trade school education or choose to enter the work force and learn entirely from experience. So, I agree with you.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
      • empathy400

        And Dan thank you, finally someone who gets what I'm talking about. I'm not saying education is bad , I 'm just saying its not for everyone , and it doesn't make anyone any less of a person, or any less intellgient.Look at all of you your making assumptions, insulting people who you don't know, and yet you claim that your educated please. I didn't go to school, and I can assure you that I am a lot smarter than you are, its called common sense, and common decency and respect, I guess school doesn't teach you that. I hate when people say oh I have a degree I went to school so I'm better than you, no that just makes you a arrogant a$$ that's all, believe it or not there are more important things in life like relationships and when you die that's all that's really important anyways.

        August 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • LouAZ

      "I own my own business and I didn't need any degree to start it". Sorry Junior pi mping and dealing don't count as a bidness.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
      • empathy400

        Lou Az- Again your just so educated and mature making assumptions about people , talking smack about things you know sh!t about , your just such a bad a$$ aren't you,do you feel better now that you have insulted me, does it heal your ego my guess is no.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  22. gstlab3

    I think this is a good thing., fire all the bad teachers and give good teachers a chance to teach and whoever says anything else is dumb.

    just look at our public schools dropout rates and the complaints from higher education teachers who say.,

    "These kids are not ready and have to take remedial education to catch up with what they should allready know."

    August 18, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Troy

      I would agree that your English teacher should be fired.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
      • Weldon Gebhard

        Brilliant Comeback?

        August 18, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Mono20

      First of all you need a standard to which teachers should be. Then, you should make sure training and reviews are in place. As well as this you need to give teachers the tool. Then you can start firing teachers, Without an actual quality system all you'll be doing is replacing bad teachers with bad teachers.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Sharon

      The problem is that they ARE laying off the good teachers. The bad teachers are cheaper because they usually tend to have less education and are lower on the pay scale. If you want good teachers teaching your kids we need to invest, stop firing them, and pay them a living wage. There was just an ad posted on a teacher recruitment website. The job was not salary, paid $10 dollars and hour (which is below the poverty line in this area) and required a masters degree. I ask business men, accountants, doctors... would you want to work in a profession that wont even pay someone a living wage? I graduated with glowing recommendations from every person I who had an opportunity to see me teach. I cant get a job because I am too expensive with a masters degree.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Weldon Gebhard

      I have spent many years in school as a student and as a volunteer. Many teachers may be "educationally" qualified but that does not qualify them as a teacher. Incompentence, lazy and just plain inabilty to handle the teaching job is much too prevelant. Many I have met are Good but just as in most professions many are not.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Jim

      Here's the irony. The people who would identify "bad teachers" have no real criteria for doing so that makes sense–aside from obvious lousy teaching. They're the administrators and local/state "boards of education" who overall tend to make "competence" as rare as cheese on the moon. So they'll get rid of really good teachers (that is, those who teach kids to THINK on their own and challenge them) and keep only those who are afraid to challenge the status quo. Which, in turn, will increase the depth of the problem. I agree–there are SOME administrators who are very good. But most need a "management" course as well as an injection of "guts" to shape the educational "experience" (and it IS THAT) for the students who pass through their
      portals. Focus on those who are responsible (and should be held accountable) for stating what a "good" teacher is vs a "mediocre" one vs a bad one. Who are willing to risk criticism because what they do works. Our kids need people with guts, creativity and honesty-not people who create idiotic lesson plans from books that are obsolete. Simply...I think our education system is deathly afraid to teach students to THINK,
      to QUESTION, to DISCOVER. After all, that might make them dangerous or even deadly (in a positive way).
      But isn't that the kind of mind that succeeds and innovates? Just sayin'

      August 18, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  23. J.R.

    All these folks getting teaching degrees are preparing for a career in a field that will cease to exist sooner rather than later.

    Brick and mortar public schools are an anachronism and a waste of public monies. Cyber-schools and charter schools are the future. One truly excellent teacher can educate literally thousands of students on-line, at little expense. Charter schools are an example of privatizing a government function that results in lower costs and superior outcomes.

    Government-sector teachers are the 21st century equivalent of secretaries back in the 80s. Stable job with okay pay, that got automated right off the face of the earth. Get ready. It's coming.

    August 18, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Gale

      if society vies teachers as those who watch kids while parents go to work, then at least pay us he wages of a babysitter with 30 kids in a class for 7 hours a day!!!!

      August 18, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
      • Weldon Gebhard

        It is a tough job few can qualify for.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Gale

      khanacademy.org...please look at that site and: hippocampus.org

      August 18, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • bryce

      cyber schools are horrible, they do not work as well as one would think. they lack substance and actual real life interaction. having kids sit behind a computer without ever meeting other people is a social separation that is very necessary in the business world.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • A B

      Yes, those online classes for kindergarteners will be quite effective...

      August 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • dan

      if the kids are not in school all hell will break lose. do you really think the purpose of public schools is solely to educate? no, it keeps kids busy during the day so they are not breaking into yoiur house or making more babies.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • RM

      JR, I respect your opinion, but a little education on your part would help. First kids cannot learn in front of a computer. Novel idea, but it will not work. Humans are visual, kinestetic, and audio learners, all three types need to be engaged simultaineously during learning. Students that perform poorly have no parental support at home this is a social cultural problem, not a class size problem, not a teacher problem. We do the best we can and we are successful. Public schools do work. The shift from public to charter is a way to shift tax dollars away and to spend them elsewhere or to cut taxes period.,
      Let me tell you what will happen, our work force will not be able to compete with foreign global work forces for the best paying jobs, our literacy rate decrease and poverty rate will increase and put more stress on social services and our nations ability to manufacture, inovate, and become leaders in technology will disintegrate. So think about it.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
      • Mark Taylor

        Exactly. The best learning environment is one where interaction is fostered and, during delivery of the material, the medium is changed every 10 – 15 minutes, e.g., a set of slides, then a flip chart, then a white board, lecture, QA, back to slides and so on.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Mark Taylor

      "Brick and mortar public schools are an anachronism and a waste of public monies. '

      Oh sure, you can develop extraordinary social skills in a virtual classroom, no need to interact with other humans at all.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
      • J.R.

        1) "Socializing" the little buggers is not the government's job.

        2) Cyber-schooled and home-schooled children spend way more time interacting with adults than their government-schooled peers. They are light years ahead in the skills that are relevant in the real world. Granted, they may not know who Sponge Bob Squarepants is, but they know how to manage their time and set goals and all that good stuff.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Alan

      Only about 17% of charter schools do better than comparable public schools (and that is with far fewer ELL and special Ed. students).

      Cyber schools have an even more abysmal record.

      If these approaches are so fantastic, why don't those behind such reforms subject their own children to them?

      August 18, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
      • J.R.

        Even if the educational outcome is equivalent, the charter schools and other "choice" options have significantly higher rates of customer satisfaction, that is, the parents and students are more satisfied with the experience. Since the parents are the ones paying the bills, so to speak, their satisfaction is important.

        Also, the advocates of school choice DO make that choice for their kids. The state legislators who passed our charter school law and our private school tuition tax credit law all send their children to either charter schools, or private schools using the tax credit. Hell, over in Texas, even David Robinson sent his children to the charter school he founded. Those Carver Academy students come from poverty, and can compete academically with any public school in the nation.

        August 18, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • whitman30

      Except they are under performing public schools. Why do people buy into the charter school rhetoric? In addition, your taxes are still being spent, but they are being spent for profit, which is dangerous. It isn't our children who should make someone a profit because greed will drive decision- not what is best for the children. Look in Indiana, with Mitch Daniels. Many of the charter schools are owned by an exiled Muslim, name Gulen, who is a big campaign contributor. Mitch signed visas to import Muslim teachers and those schools are failing horribly.

      August 19, 2012 at 7:37 am |
  24. Jim

    In response to "imust be crazy." It's NOT the salary that's the problem–although teachers should be compensated for the value and quality they offer our kids. Instead, it's the foundation of jelly on which the salary ratios are based. Just because someone has an advanced degree shouldn't determine what he or she is paid. That degree only suggests that the individual is capable of doing the work that the degree requires–NOT how the knowledge gained is applied in a classroom. Finland, by the way, pays its teachers at the same level as doctors, lawyers etc. In that sense, compensation is based on RESPECT for what an individual does in a classroom and with kids. A sad example. I teach at a university in the northwest. Due to a budget crunch, I was told I wouldn't have any classes to teach this Fall. (I have been nominated as Professor of the Year and have student evaluations that verify that.). So...I offered to teach two classes WITHOUT COMPENSATION so the students would get what they needed. Guess what...that offer was rejected!!!! I also know of colleagues who've made the same offer and also have been turned down because doing that would "set a precedent" that the tenured folks would object to. (BTW...I have over 40 years of business experience in the discipline I teach.) So it's really not the money. It's the lack of RESPECT and rewards for teachers who actually are exceptional IN THE CLASSROOM-not on a piece of paper.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • theacademy

      Another whining adjunct professor.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Mono20

      Despite what anyone else says I have been an educator in two continents. The status quo in US education is the problem. Whether it is tenure and seniority which safeguards some, but not all, teachers is the biggest problem. Instead of a standards baed teacher assessment system there seems to be nothing. Then there is the issue of lack of innovation. Why were you refused to teach for free whereas new solutions should be found for the budget issues. Good luck finding something in the future. Maybe the US isn't the right place for it though.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Sharon

      What does it matter if he is full time or adjunct. You want the good teachers in the classroom then YOU stop your whining. YOU are what is wrong with this world not the teachers!

      August 18, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
  25. Obvious

    Home schooled children are smarter than public school children. It's sad that you can send your child to an indocturnation camp for 8hrs a day 5 days a week and still that child cannot pick out their hometown on a map or multiply numbers in their head.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • SurRy

      Everyone does not have the luxury of having one parent stay home and home school. If you do you should consider yourself very fortunate.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
      • Obvious

        Hard work in the plantation economy works

        August 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • theacademy

      Most of them will grow up to be serial killers from lack of social interaction with their peers.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Future Teacher

      Not to be completely petty, but if you're going to home school your kids you should know that the word is spelled "indoctrinate." I know plenty of public school kids who can spell that word.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Ludwig

      Most of the public school kids I know can spell "indoctrination," so they've got you beat right there.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Mono20

      I have met too many homeschooled kids who just can't read and lack social skills.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • amusementmgmt

      Home schooled students gets one on one instruction from their parents. This supports the claim that smaller classrooms with more individualized instruction for each student is better. When you have classrooms with 30+ students at varying degrees of learning capabilities, the slower ones will not receive the appropriate attention they require to excel, and the brighter children will get bored by the pace required to not educationally drown the slower children. Either way it's a losing proposition. We need more teachers!

      August 18, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Ezradams

      Home schooling....another chance for Bible Study. I can only imagine how well evolution is taught.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  26. Lmw

    Until we build 1 road to sustainability we should get the depth of what a link does to our way of life were seeing today, PERIOD!

    August 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • I hate propagators

      Sustatinability=agenda 21=eugenics

      August 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  27. Jim

    The problem ISN'T so much the loss of teacher jobs (which shouldn't happen). Instead, the problem IS in the inefficient, ineffective and redundant education strategy that's used in virtually every school district in the country. The belief seems to me to be one that says it's safer to do "what we've always done," make a few cosmetic changes and plod on. That's the riskiest thing we could do! Why not look at education differently–more realistically–and understand that we're teaching kids for jobs, a society and lifestyles that don't exist right now. Why not teach them to cope? Why not abandon the "industrial revolution," assembly line strategy of education that's been with us forever....and change it to an "organic" strategy that emphasizes growth instead of standardized test performance. For more on this approach, I'd strongly recommend Sir Ken RObinson's book, OUT OF OUR MINDS (2nd Edition). One more thing, doing things the way we always did them will bring us nothing more than we've always gotten. For our kids today and in the future, that's not good enough. Take a very close look at the change that Finland made in it's education strategy and approach in the mid 1980's. And the result today–which ranks Finland at the top of the list in quality and value of education. Our children deserve a total investment of thought and analysis-and not just more money wasted.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • nmmell08

      I'd Recommend Don Mesibov's readings as well. It works really well, I taught a class once with those methods and they did better than average on their assessment then they did w/ regular class.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Nesserday

      Thank you Jim !!

      August 18, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • jaimeeileen

      the strategy used in schools is dictated by a standardized test, as directed by no child left behind. if the students fail to pass, the teachers and school are penalized. so there is no more "education" as you know it and understand it. just a standardized teaching format put in place by the bush administration to teach to a test that tell us nothing whatever about a student's progress and knowledge.

      there needs to be education in the schools but the way it is now? totally not happening. we need to repeal nclb and let teachers do what they are supposed to. TEACH.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • theacademy

      How is it that the US education system worked for over 100 years? Any chance that the family structure and work requirements have had an impact? Everyone has had lousy teacher, but they could no have all been lousy!

      August 18, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • LouAZ

      Finland did not have FOX News and the Teapublican Party to inform the student's parents why Creationism is FACT and that they should go back to the good old days . . . you know . . . child labor, only property owner's voting, only men voting, separate but equal, Standard Oil, no miners Unions . . . the good old days !

      August 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  28. Kris

    "A decade of gains" in the student – teacher ratio seems to have done nothing to improve education, so why should we be concerned? We continue to fall behind the rest of the world and in this one area (the ratio) we have pretty much proven that we are wasting money by having smaller classrooms.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  29. Klowiepowie

    USA can do with less teachers, but the way of teaching could be more efficient. The way I studied was, that we've got modules and we had to plan those ourselves. When I needed more hours for certain modules and less for others, I was able to fill in the hours myself. So normally when a teacher had 2 classes to teach, some of the students needed more time for other modules. When they were absent, there was room for others that needed some attention for that module. We had to make a planning, evaluation and follow-up with a mentor. It also teaches students to be self-disciplined. Because that form of education gives teachers more 'hands free', USA could do with the existing capacity.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Klowiepowie

      We've got one morning when the tests were taken. Not one did the same, so I wasn't able to peek. There were 4 different tests, so asking what the test looked like, was a 25% (of course we stole all of them out of the adm.room, specially English language test modules).

      August 18, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Klowiepowie

      My suggestion doesn't work at primary school. At primary school kids have to learn to develop social skills. They've got to develop those with their own age schoolmates. Something to do with barrier. Doing business has everything to do with being liked. Social skills, is the future.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
  30. jon

    Every teacher I know..about a dozen all know the education system is bloated, but they do nothing about it. Instead of complaining to the public and asking us to pay more in the interest of kids why aren't teachers marching on their union steps to demand a reorganization, less management and more money sent all the way down to the boots on the ground teachers and classrooms. THE PUBLIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN BEHIND TEACHERS, KIDS AND CLASSROOMS so stop saying we don't care. It's your system..fix it!

    August 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Sharon

      There isnt a whole lot we can do with NCLB in place. Every teacher hates it becuase it no longer allows us to do our job. Standardized tests tell you absolutely nothing about an individuals progress. Keeping student portfolios is the way to go. You can see how the students have gained skills, and those that have plateaued. A test score from a year ago does absolutely nothing when it comes to telling me what skills those kids need addressed. Also, I teach Special Ed. When you have a kid with a cognitive disability that can only function at a 3rd grade level based on IQ and you force them to take the 6th grade level test with their pees... of course they will fail, and then the teacher is blamed for not making a disabled kid smarter. Go figure.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
  31. OldAsDirt

    Compare (in comparable $) the expense per student during the '50s with today. The biggest difference isn't land or buildings (though some are more elaborate than necessary). Books cost substantially more and are replaced more often, but faculty compensation is the biggest difference. Everyone deserves adequate pay for their work, but when graduating students are less prepared for the future than in the past, yet compensation has increased dramatically, something's wrong.

    Whether it's reward-politics featuring poor post-election negotiation with unions, or mediocre management unable to raise performance or remove non-performing faculty, the taxpayers aren't getting the value once received from education dollars. Government's only response is that taxpayers are to blame for not spending enough. Does anyone really believe that any more?

    August 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • IMustBeCrazy

      Just out of curiousity what salary do you think is appropriate for teachers?

      August 18, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
      • I hate propagators

        Since they read from a textbook, don't like volunteering extra time to help a student... they should be paid min wage, they are not teaching the class but reading from a book that has been picked by the govornment as the ciriculum for that grade/year. hence to why the US has such a horrible education system. A grade 2 American child is equivalent to a grade 1 Canadian child. Damn dumbed downed states.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
      • Sharon

        Excuse me!!!! more than half of the teachers in my building are there until 6pm, many of them because they open their doors to kids who need extra help (you have to remember that parents have to authorize this, and most don't). Other teachers are there working on developing better curriculum, or working after school programs. I don't know where people get the idea that teachers leave the building the same time students do. I encourage you to drive past your local school on a school day and see how many cars are still in the parking ot at 5pm. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • artraveler

      And you are making the same salary that you made in 1950? If so, you are a smuck! Teachers are professionals and deserve to be treated so. The 6 years I taught in high school was some of the longest days I have ever worked and that includes building two pharmaceutical plants.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • SurRy

      Why is it that most of the same folks who decry a teacher his or her salary say nothing about CEOs making tens of millions a year?

      August 18, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • dan

      As a teacher, we are now told what to teach, when to teach it, and how to teach it by administrators that have never tought it, nor do they comprehend the material. Then the child passes a standardized test indicating they learned it. We all know they really don't know squat, but who are we to question the principal who was hired by the board that was elected by the community? American adults doesn't know crap today, hy expect more from your children?

      August 18, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
      • Sharon

        Right on... education is not a business and should not be treated as one. I am SO tired of being told that I have to teach what is in the book and the book alone. God forbid I want to do some authentic learning and have the kids learn hands on.... NOPE, they have to know how it is taught in the book and only the book or else they wont pass the test. We even have states that want to ban teaching critical thinking. You think our education system is bad now? Just wait until we have a populous that was taught NOT to think outside the box, we will be a nation of sheep (which is what they want).

        August 18, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
      • LouAZ

        You're not an English or spelling teacher are you ?

        August 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
  32. empathy400

    Let me guess its all Obama's fault right? what else is new,it seems like you can't even take a sh!t without it being Obama's fault, Republicans can be so dumb , the Congress is in charge of our economy and they are in charge of were the money goes, the President isn't , the economy will always have its ups and downs regardless of who is president, this is exactly what's wrong with this county, Republicans are always saying let people fend for themselves ,yet the same people who say that don't want to take responsibility for themselves they just want to blame some old dude in the sky, or our president , or the gays, or women don't forget them, once people realize that some invisible dude or the president any president can't take care of there problems then this country will be better off.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • jaimeeileen

      see, that information would require an actual education to know and understand. the way conservatives would have it obama is a communist dictator who sets all of the laws, budgets, policies and laws. congress just... sits there... and smiles and waves. see the legislative branch of our representative republic does not have a function, right? and the job of the judicial branch is to rubber-stamp the will of the majority, because after all we have a true democracy!

      apparently the private school system is not very efficient either...

      i suggest those of you who think that the president... ANY president... is responsible for the failures of this country get a book on us government (that is actually a class in school, for those of you who slept through it) and learn about what a true democracy and a true representative republic really are. THEN come back and argue about the president and his level of responsibility.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
      • SurRy

        Most adults in this country would benefit from an 8th grade Civics class. They get their information from Glen Beck.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
  33. sharky

    Thanks to the Teachers Unions and the mere fact the education system in the US is crap anyway, the public education system that is. Almost feels like a ponzi scheme to me.

    Whatever WH, all this is is catering to the unions you love.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Andrew Francis

      Cutting eduation is the absolute sign of a society in peril. Public education is a disaster in the USA and our politicians are maing it worse, especially the Republicans. For all you people who are slamming the unions, you seem to forget that unions came about because of how poorly workers were being treated and teachers certainly fall into this category. I defy any of you to register for a substiute teachers licence and go spend a month trying to work in environments like those that have evolved in our schools. Most of you wouldn't last a week...that's a fact!!! If you don't know what you are talking about on a subject, better to keep your mouth closed.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  34. jon

    Im getting tired of this campaign of public sympathy for the education system. Once I supported it, but after discovering that for example the St. Louis public school system has 552 management positions (making much higher wages than the boots on the ground teachers) when the same number of children in the St. Louis archdiocese school system is managed by only 12 people I knew where the money is going..a bloated public school system with way more management positions sucking up the money that comes in from these pleas for "carring about the kids". LOOK fix your own system before crying to the public. WE DO SUPPORT THE KIDS AND TEACHERS. It's not our problem that your system sucks up the money long before it reaches the classroom and teachers.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • thomasd51@excite.com

      10, 000 per student and they dont get educated plus if they wish to spend more stop wasting money on junk like the stimulous package 2 million on a district in arizona that does not exist half a billion on solendra that goes belly up

      August 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
      • artraveler

        Maybe you need to look at those who have the kids 18 hours a day, the parents, who don't give them the guidance or direction to do the work and feel that there kid is always perfect. If this coddling of kids continues, youi better hope that Walmart brings back greeters because there aren't that many Mickey D's jobs.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
  35. NV Educator

    I'm guessing all of the negative comments are from people that are not educators or maybe don't have any higher education themselves. I am an educator and had to move to another state due to all the budget cuts. I moved because I love my job and believe in education. I see first hand the damage all the cuts do. I see students who are frustrated because they feel lost in large classrooms. I see students with special needs being lost in the system and amazing teachers losing their jobs.

    For those of you who say that teachers get "free" benefits and make too much money I ask you this question. What other field requires as much education and has so much responsibility yet pays so little? I have an MA and am nationally certified and am responsible for the education of our future; yet truck drivers, some office workers, and IT people make more money than I do (just to name a few...). I'm proud to be a union member. If it weren't for my union I wouldn't be able to survive on my salary.

    Lastly, why do people get so angry about spending money on our children's education??? Shouldn't this be one of our first priorities? It's a case of ignorance breeding ignorance.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • nmmell08

      Agreed 100% The responsibility for Teacher's is SO HIGH and yet people think they should not be paid as muc as they do. The average teacher makes under the mean income per capita in this nation. That sounds absurd. Why should an office guy get apid more than a Teacher

      August 18, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
      • zlulz

        Wanna know why? Because teachers only work 75% as much as the average worker. Take the teachers salary for 9 months, then calculate what they would make if they worked for the full year like everyone else.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
      • nmmell08

        Do you know what a teacher does those other 3 months? He or she is usally reworking the curriculum of their class, reading textbook after textbook to pick the best one for the class, Teaching in summer school, and various other things. Its not just them sitting on the beach for 3 months straight

        August 18, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
      • NV Educator

        I spend my summers (which are not 3 months...) continuing my education to keep my credential active and working my butt off to get ready for next year's kids.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
      • tokencode

        Don't even begin to claim that you work 40 hour weeks during the summer to keep up your credentials and prepare for next year's kids. That is an outright lie. Not only do they work 9 months out of the year, the average days is 6-7 hours with more holidays than most private companies provide. Every teach should be required to work the summers providing additional assistance to kids who need it. Summer school should not be optional for teachers. Students below a certain GPA should be required to attend summer school.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • sharky

      Excuse me, I am well educated, with 2 Bachelor's Degrees and a Masters degree. I also attended private school, why because the public schools in my area were THAT BAD, I would have gotten a completely horrible education and not even bothered. I refused to go to public school.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
      • thomasd51@excite.com

        but they still talk about how great it is

        August 18, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
      • nmmell08

        My public school was amazing. Everyone in my class either went to a trade school or college after high school. Public schools are not all bad. It helps that my school has great funding.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • sharky

      And you want to talk about the fuss of spending money on kids for education? Look at the fact so much money has been dumped into the Public Education system with absolutely dreadful statistics and outcomes. Money is being wasted because of the unions.

      Teachers Unions oh yes those things SUED the charter schools in NYC. What kind of garbage is that.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  36. max3333444555

    Love all of this discussion about which party is to blame. the fact is the education is very good in a considerable amount of this country. its also historically bad in parts of this country, regardless of which party is in the whitehouse or controlling congress.

    my opinion is that education is going to change drastically over the next 20 years with remote learning, etc. class size wont matter as much when there are thousands of children tuned into the same course.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • CT voter

      Actually, online courses do not accommodate larger groups. It takes twice as much time for a teacher to facilitate a distance learning course than it does to manage an on-site class. Do some research before you make incorrect assumptions.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  37. ThanksALotShrub

    Just more of the wonderful Republican legacy, under the most arguably stupid leader this country has ever suffered from. You certainly can't say that 'ol Dubya didn't have a lasting impact! BTW, I wonder which exclusive private schools the fat cats from the bailed out, too-big-to-fail banks and WS firms send their kids to?

    August 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • zlulz

      "Its good to be here in the 57th state, I'll be on my way to the 58th state..." – Your glorious leader.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Matt

      Hey! I'm one of those 300,000. I made the news! Woot! And it's shameful that we blame government for this. Corporations should be concerned about their future just as much as the government. If big business would put more value in educating people, we'd be in a better place with education.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
      • sharky

        It is not Big Businesses fault, it starts with the home. Parents are not putting value into the education, you have inner city people saying to heck with it, you have schools and teachers leeching off the system and not even really teaching. This is not big business fault.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • sharky

      Obama attended private schools and sends his kids to private schools.

      Obama also attended the most prestigious schools in the nation.

      How is this Bush's fault? The Education System has been a failure long before Bush ever took office, you dolt.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  38. over one hundred million US voters are currently on welfare

    States have to cut teachers because they have to balance THEIR budget. Unlike Obama and the liberal Democrats who just say to heck with it and just print more money. I feel sorry for today's K-12 students not because of the large class sizes but because of the large hole that Obama and the the liberal Democrats have hung on them.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • nmmell08

      The thing is Education is ALWAYS the 1st thing cut it seems. It should be the last, not the first.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
      • Skip

        It's state law. They must balance their budget every year. We would all be better off if we and Washington DC operated the same way. It's too late though. America will NEVER recover from the last 4 years of spending. Ever. It's mathmatically impossible. And with over 100 million registered voters on welfare, we are staring 4 more years of same ole same ole. America will be $50 Trillion in debt by 2016. Thanks liberals you achieved your goal.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
  39. Truth

    "racing to out-educate America" – Other countries are out scoring us in almost every area. They don't need to race anymore.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  40. SMS

    You got a two problems:

    1) schools, especially large districts, often are not run efficiently even thought economies of scale should create lower costs.

    2) there are budget cuts becuse money isn't coming in. Money isn't coming in because of the economy. The economy isn't getting better because of Obama.

    So exactly why is he the one crying foul?

    August 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • LouAZ

      You're right. Obama caused the failure of Bear Sterans and AIG . . . off with his head !

      August 18, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Wondering

      Just wondering – how is the economy not getting better just because of Obama? He did not single handedly get us into this mess (see Bush, republican) and he's not the only person who can get us out. Why don't we look at our republican ran house to see why they're not passing anything important, all they have time for is setting this country back with equality for minorities, women and LGBT people.

      What we need is someone who wants to invest in the REAL future of this country – the children. NOT the present millionaires.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  41. zlulz

    Probably wouldn't have to fire so many teachers if the unions didn't try to bleed these states dry. Take Wisconsin for example. Teachers make on average 50k a year. They also on average use about 9-10k in free medical benefits every year. They get outrageous pensions. All this for 9 months of work, and when factored into 12 months at the same rate of pay, they would be making 72k per year between salary and free benefits. Unions still want more and more, even when states are in the red (financially not politically).

    August 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • zlulz

      PS. How do democrats handle that situation? Oh thats right, they abandon their jobs and flee to another state.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • nmmell08

      Um what stats are you reading, the average teacher makes less than 50K. Also they have one of the most important jobs in this country, teaching our kids. And those teachers are usally working 12 hour days at least. So don't even dare say they are overpaid!

      August 18, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • zlulz

      lol. Teachers don't work 12 hour days. get over yourself.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
      • CT voter

        You're right – I generally work 14 or more hours per day. Gotta love the 80 hour work week.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • nmmell08

        My teachers I would still see at School at 5-6 O'clock at night after sports practice working on grading or other things in there classroom. And they usually are in at 6 in the morning.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
      • citizen2

        You have obviously never been a teacher...Besides the 7 hours a day in the classroom, there are hours of preparation time outside of the classroom for every day's class. Grading and class preparation are usually done outside the classroom on a teacher's own time. Teachers also spend their own money to provide supplies for their classroom and for their students because the school district is too underfunded to provide supplies and many parents are too poor to assist their own children. Teachers also have to deal with crybaby parents who get upset when Johnny or Jill doesn't get an A, but won't take the responsibility to see that their child spends more time doing required homework than watching TV or doing ballet or playing soccer... Those who take your position, have no idea what the realities of a teacher's life is like. Today's teachers earn every cent they make...

        August 18, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • zlulz

      Don't like it? Quit. Not my fault you aren't efficient with your time.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
      • nmmell08

        Maybe you would like to grade 20+ people's homework. I have for College. It took me 4-5 hours to do 2 homework assignments for 25 people. Imagine having 5 classes with Homework for all those classes. That is what a teacher has to deal with.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  42. lepke

    Teachers are getting pension and free health care benefits. That is why towns cannot afford to keep them, along with fire fighters and police. Health care and pension needs to be reformed in order to solve the problem.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Tracy

      I am a teacher and do not get free health benefits or pension. I pay into my pension monthly knowing that I will not collect social security when I retire. At the rate Illinois is going, I may not even get to collect my pension if the state keeps taking our money to pay off its debts. Money for my health insurance comes out of my paycheck and please know that my benefits still require a lot of co pays and out of pocket charges. I am currently starting the school year without a pay raise for the 4th year in a row. We are lacking teachers and support staff because the money is not there to pay for them. Please do more research on teacher pay and benefits before expressing your opinion!

      August 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
      • Nesserday

        Illinois is a mess. Many have turned to home school and I don't blame them....one of the smartest people I knew was educated in a one room school house and didn't graduate high school. You have to have inner motivation and a curious mind. If there's no desire you can't pound knowledge into a young mind if they're not willing....money won't help either, you need to REACH the kids first and teach with passion and conviction. Not, blah blah blah....snore......

        August 18, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • gmama

      Hahahahahaha, that's funny. This varies by state, but in MN, I pay $800 a month for health care. I have $50,000 in my pension, and ever dollar of that came directly from my paycheck.

      August 19, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  43. brown

    Your finished America! Your grandchildren will know poverty!

    Keep on re-electing your treasonous U.S.A Congress. Fools!

    August 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • zlulz

      You're*

      August 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
      • Chuck

        Your* I hope you were trolling.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • max3333444555

      my grandchildren will still live in the most prosperous country in the world. where will yours live?

      August 18, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
      • IndianaGreg

        I'm guessing in their grandparents basement with their mom and/or dad.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • sharky

      What other country's Congress are we supposed to elect?

      August 18, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  44. blerg

    American's don't need teachers as much as they need ego checks. Once they get over themselves, they can start to learn.

    August 18, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
  45. blaster34

    Since education is a local issue, why the heck is obama running his filthy mouth about it?

    August 18, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Jay jay

      remember the days of yore when kids had a chalkboard tablet and a pencil. It cost families about a dollar a year to be educated and educated well. Now it's about 50 grand a year with pathetic results. Ask any youth where there state of Idaho is on a map nowadays. They dont know do they? But let's throw more money into a complete failure shall we...

      August 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
      • Aaron L

        Why would we need to know where Idaho is located?

        August 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Ben

      The fact that you can insult your president says a lot about you. Anybody reading your comment knows exactly who you are.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  46. pbernasc

    A country that fires teachers while spending billions in political campaign ads is not going to lead the world for very long ... ignorance has never given anyone the upper edge .. too bad the American people have declined so much they do not even know that anymore.

    Oh well ... keep spending in military and firing teacher while cutting taxes, at some point you will have to start buying weapons cause you no longer will know how to make them, that's when you will realize that being Palestinians is a losing proposition.

    Good luck!

    August 18, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Unions spent 4.4 billion in the last 4 years, to support Obama and the democrats liberal machine, rather than take care of their members.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
  47. Tubby the Tuba Texas

    Most of the people here that are against education are most likely not parents, or children are grown! No one in their right or left mind would want 50-60 students in a classroom for English. The laying off of teachers, or firing of teachers is how the Republican states are balancing their budgets, along with laying off Police and Firemen. I hope it is one of this negative people (republican) on this blog that need a cop or firemen and don't get them because they supported the laying off of those very special individuals!

    August 18, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • zlulz

      maybe the unions shouldn't bleed these states dry.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
      • nmmell08

        Maybe the states should realize Education should not be the first thing cut in the Budget.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • sharky

      Not the Republicans fault the Unions are out of control.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  48. bill

    Education be overrated anyway. We don't need no schools or no teachers. If you choose to have kids, then you should choose to educate them. Otherwise, don't have them.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Alexander Dunn

      BS. Education is an important part of any society. A country of uneducated children is a recipe for future failure. The US is being left behind the rest of the developed world while India, Brazil, China and other places are producing brainpower – the most needed natural resource. And don't think that home schooling is going to produce a significant number of engineers, scientists, mathematicians, artists, etc.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  49. bbrooker88

    "Education Nirvana" for a Republican is homeschooling with the Bible as the only textbook.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • sharky

      Pointless comment on your part.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  50. StreetWise

    We don't need any more stinking jpbs... we need more money for wars, Wall Street and tax cuts for the wealthy!

    August 18, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • sharky

      Go back to your video game OWSer

      August 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  51. Sd

    Really? kids holding signs saying "I want my teacher back?". This country truly is raising kids to stay mentally immature. Why on earth would anyone care whether they lose their teacher? Why would they even get involved in this anyway? It's not their business.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • ironmike

      "When Children get to vote , then I will be concerned about Children"

      Albert Shanker head of American Federation of teachers.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
      • Ezradams

        ironmike, do your research...your quote from Albert Shanker is totally unsubstantiated. This is typical of the conservative conversation: Simply pass along false information long enough and more idiots buy into it.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • CT voter

      Lucky for the country, many kids are more intelligent than you are – it appears that would be easy. You are demonstrating your ignorance with each statement. Why wouldn't students want to be educated? Why would it not be 'their business'? Just because you obviously did not take advantage of the education you were offered by this country, do not project that on others.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  52. CaliforniaBC

    The Republicans won't vote for this because an educated populous is their biggest fear.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • ironmike

      Hey how are things in California oh yeah your broke just like us here in Illinois . Despite increases in taxes your schools are dismal four of your cities have filed for bankruptcy but you have have a not so fast train to nowhere.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      You are onto something here, but slightly off. Liberals have no interest in a strong education system, so they union teachers are doing their part at being mediocre, so when the new generation is done, most will go into welfare care, being dependent to the state to live. Is all about ensuring the future liberal voter base.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Jay jay

      that is totally laughable. Republicans on any given day of the year are far more informed on current events. But ask a democrat about how to get on welfare and their knowledge is limitless

      August 18, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
      • jaimeeileen

        actually jay, i get up every morning and i check the news. including fox, mind you. i am interested in current events and how people think, what they see. i am a liberal lesbian, i am married to a woman who is a teacher and i am not on welfare or food stamps. i am active in my daughter's education and i am the one who taught her to love books, information and learning. i randomly ask her trivial information on math, science, language, history, and technology to encourage her to think and to explore new subjects. we visit zoos, museums, and the wilds to keep her mind open and searching. at fifteen her favorite reading is college textbooks on psychology, physics and genetics. so please, keep on reinforcing that "liberal" stereotype because that is all it is. a simple minded stereotype for simple minded people who need a common enemy in order to band together and hate someone different because their minds are too weak to think for themselves.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
      • Wondering

        What a ridiculous response.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • sharky

      Hmmmm Republicans WON'T vote for WASTING MORE MONEY on a failed system. Wow how asinine of them.

      Democrats will vote to cater to the greedy unions. Wow, how smart of them.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
  53. Mary Jane

    This is nothing compared to the millions who have lost their jobs since this Socialist loser took office..Time to vote for some real change in 2012 and get this Country back on it's feet....Read my take on other stories at koolaidstand blogspot com

    August 18, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • bbrooker88

      4 million people HAVE jobs because of Obama's handling of the economy.. Your blog must be dumb.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
      • ironmike

        Obama personally went out and hired four million people. Oh yeah I forget only businesses that where built by the help of the Federal government count.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
      • bbrooker88

        ironmike– didn't say that did I? I said his handling of the economy, supporting the stimulus, saving GM, tuned job losses into job gains even during a time when state Republican governors SHED public service jobs like teachers, police, firemen etc....

        August 18, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Tom

      Shouldn't you be over on Fox where everyone agrees with your way of thinking?

      August 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Conservative Shams

      And who lost the millions of jobs before president Obama took office? Sounds like you've been drinking your own koolaid.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  54. JOJO

    Every president says they are an Education President, the truth of the matter it is a local issue, a state issue. Look at your states policies on education, and you will see the future of your states education plan.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  55. Well, sh1t man

    Money for Tomahawk missiles : check
    Money for Hellfire missiles : check
    Money for nuclear warheads : check
    Money for F-22 : check
    Money for bailouts : check

    Money for education : ???

    August 18, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      We spend more per kid than any other country, yet the results are deplorable. Is not a money issue, but the way system is run and allow mediocre teachers to keep their jobs. Nice try.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
      • Conservative Shams

        WRONG! the real reason has nothing to do with the teachers and everything to do with the parents of todays students. Parents today don't take or make the time to follow up on their kids education. In my day, if you came home with a bad grade on your report card you were in big trouble at home. If you got punished at school for something you did, you got a worse punishment from your parents. Parents today are way too lax in raising their children when it comes to education. They, like Mr MafiaUnions, expect the teachers to raise their kids instead. When they don't like the results, they blame the teachers.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
      • jaimeeileen

        why is it always about the incompetent teachers, and never about the incompetent parents? the teachers just get to clean up the parent's mess and try to keep order while the conservatives play the blame game to shuffle the responsibility around. gotta keep dem' voters, dont'cha know!

        August 18, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • ironmike

      U.S Spending on education #1 in the world.
      http://mat.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/
      US rank in math and science #9 and #10

      August 18, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • LouAZ

      Democracy has few values of its own: it is as good, or as bad, as the principles of the people who operate it. In the hands of liberal and tolerant people it will produce a liberal and tolerant government; in the hands of cannibals, a government of cannibals. – Norman Davies, EUROPE A History, pg.-969.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
      • Jay jay

        and how is Europe doing? Ah hah! Now shut up moron

        August 18, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
      • LouAZ

        Jay jay – I think the Chairman of the History Dept at Oxford can make a pretty fair assesment of DEMOCRACY. Europe has had some experience in that concept as well. I did want to give him deserved credit. You yourself might want to read his book, as that is where many of us came from. But you should start with "any book" by Miss Manners where you might learn not to call anyone you do not know moron, or tell anyone to shut up. You are not King of the World yet, slick. Do you read books ?

        August 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  56. ug

    And we can thank the libs for this...

    August 18, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • CaliforniaBC

      Seriously? The liberals are to blame for teachers losing their jobs? Kinda curious how that piece of logic works seeing how it's been Obama who has been pushing for continued education funding and the Stimulus that kept thousands of teachers IN their jobs and IN the classroom.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
      • Conservative Shams

        What you have to understand is that ther Conservative Republican/Tea Party will not take the blame for anything they do wrong and try take credit for something they had nothing to do with or even opposed. They are the spoiled children of the Political world.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
      • sharky

        Liberals/Democrats support unions who have set up impossibly too high financial returns for the union members that cannot be satisfied. Democrats are not even learning due to the public system, whether teachers or fire or police or anything like that, the money going in from the city, state etc is no longer sustainable. The money is not there, So following in the same footsteps as the Republicans did, first with Wisconsin, Democrat leaders are having to rework union bennies and what not in order to find some sort of financial stability.

        We have how many states going bankrupt or having such massively HUGE deficits, we have cities in those states, Cali has had 3 so far declaring bankruptcy, and Cali is the biggest union state in the nation.

        THINK.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
      • sharky

        Sorry, Democrats are now learning, I mean.

        The public sector with how it operates it is not financially sustainable. Look at Greece, look at the other seriously financially troubled European countries.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Wondering

      Oh please go on with your informative comments.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  57. LMC

    Anyone who thinks that class size isn't important, should try teaching a class of 30 or more students! Each additional student means less individual time with each student, not to mention challenges of students with learning problems, developmental or behavioral issues, and students with limited English abilities. School choice often means depleting schools of the better students and leaving behind the ones with challenges. The student to teacher ratios that are published are not classroom teacher to student ratios. Every teacher in the building, including specialists such as special ed teachers, teacher librarians, music specialists, and PE teachers are included in that ratio.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • JC in Western U.S.

      LMC, I've been there and done that. (29 years as a 7th grade science teacher). I would like to see anybody who complains about teachers spend a week teaching 30 twelve year-olds. They'd change their tune.

      300,000 of our unemployed Americans are teachers. People act like public employees are somehow not also American citizens. They speak of saving money by slashing education budgets and in the next breath moan about the unemployment rate. They are cutting into their own children's future and our nation's prosperity by balancing budgets on the backs of children and their teachers, and adding to the unemployment rate.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
      • ironmike

        Did you read the article it said education jobs it didn't say Teachers OK. Read the article and then make a comment. We've have 6.2M employed in education as of 2010 up from 3M in 1980. Did it do us any good

        August 18, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
      • JC in Western U.S.

        Iron Mike, Out of everything I said, you choose to focus on the number. If you know exactly how many of those 300,000 people are teachers, good for you, but it makes no difference. As a certified teacher, I considered the paraprofessionals and aides in my school to be my colleagues, and the job they did to be critical. You can focus on splitting hairs over who is an educator and who is not, based on licensing. But educators don't do that.

        And the U.S. population grew just a little bit, Mike, between 1980 and 2010, in case you didn't notice. That's why there are more educators now than then. It's ridiculous to imply that we've doubled the number of teachers independently of the number of students.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  58. Backtobasics

    "since the end of the recession in June 2009, said the report, which was prepared by the White House Council of Economic Advisers" Ohh when we they going to tell all the laid off workers it was over?

    August 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  59. obsthetiems

    The power of the media and a sitting president cannot be overstated. But why do I read CNN so much? Why can't I read something different. Interesting question.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  60. obsthetiems

    Is this about the kids or about the unionized teacher workforce ??
    'The national student-teacher ratio increased from 15.3 to 16', that means the class size for a class of say 20 students increased from 20 to 20.91 students. WOW! an increase per class of a little under 1 student. That's a fri-g–gin huge increase.
    I can't stand it when contributors think everybody in america is equally stupid. If you disagree with the above please let me know.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • LMC

      That ratio is based on ALL of the certificated teachers in the building, special ed., teacher librarians, music, PE, etc. It does not mean there are classes of 20 students. Remember that averages of numbers might show what looks like a small increase that actually might be an addition of several students in some schools and classes. In my school, our intermediate classes have been around 30 or more students per class and that figure is actual size, not an average based on all certificated staff.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
      • ironmike

        And of course your union makes sure that all those librarians etc are part of the union and get union wages and pensions etc. So go blame your union for any increases in class size. In Chicago we have school population of 400K but we have 40K employees one employee for every ten students.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • JC in Western U.S.

      Twenty-three states, nearly half of the states in the country, are "Right To Work States". I live in one of them. In "Right To Work" states, teachers' unions are illegal. We don't have the right to strike. Our teacher "associations" can act as bargaining agents only if they reach a certain percentage of teachers who are members (in my state 90%) . In "Right To Work" states, there is no such thing as a bargaining agent for all teachers in the state. Each district's teachers negotiate with that district's board of education for salaries and working condition contracts. You can blame unions all day long, but half of the states have no teacher unions.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  61. Dee

    if only Congress passed the AMERICAN JOBS ACT.... in 2011.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • LMC

      Amen!

      August 18, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • sharky

      And with what money do you propose PAY for those public workers? I can see you were not educated.

      You need MONEY to pay for such jobs and those jobs were primarily going to be public UNION jobs to which we can no longer even support.

      The Jobs Act was just another financially failed idea. We dumped how much money into those green jobs and those failed. We dumped how much money into that first stimulus, nearly 1 Trillion dollars and that did not bring any kind of amazing results.

      You people are NOT getting it. You are acting like you hold some credit card that is maxed out but you always say someone else will pay for it. SOMEONE ELSE WILL NOT PAY FOR IT.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
  62. ironmike

    Hey CNN its August of 2012 and the only picture you have is of May 2011

    August 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Popcorn

      It's socialist media. Socialist Economy.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  63. John V

    Not surprised. The Dems wanting to run local schools from D.C. just adds layers upon layers of red tape to a teacher simply teaching a class. KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. Let a city / county run a school district and not have to cater to big government ruling from afar...

    August 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  64. mafiaUnions

    Public education is just like any other business ran by unions. Deplorable.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • LMC

      The schools are not run by unions. Administrators do not belong to unions! Surprisingly, a lot of teacher associations bargain on issues to improve the educational experience of the students, not just pay and benefits!

      August 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  65. Michelle-Middle School

    I retired from middle school last year because of the demise of our American school system. Romney is totally misguided if he thinks class size is not important. It IS! When America wakes up and places some sincere commitments and funds to schools, we may have a chance against the rest of the world. Working under the conditions currently handed to teachers, the nation will continue to see the best and brightest teachers disappear from the nation's schools. We are headed in the WRONG DIRECTION.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • ironmike

      No you retired because you got a great pension which I'm probably paying for right now. We've more than doubled what we spend on education in this country over the last twenty years you have results to show we got anything for it.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      So you retired last year because of the demise of the school system, yet you blame Romney? Good thing you retired. Maybe some kids have a chance now.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • pattyanne

      I taught school for over 40 years and retired several years ago. I watched the schools spend, spend, spend without any thought to the future. They would invest in many different programs which failed within a year or two. Every time they sent someone to a conference or convention and that person came back with an idea, the districts would implement it for thousands of dollars. No amount of money is going to help until the students and parents think an education is valuable.
      Many students don't behave, they don't do homework or classwork,etc. Do you know that many districts require teachers to give students at least a 50-60% on an assignment even if they don't do it? As for class size, when I started teaching, my 1st class contained 42 well behaved students who were a joy to teach and they actually learned something because they and their parents thought school was important to success in life.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  66. ironmike

    In 1980 U.S employed 3M people in education in 2010 that number had increased to 6.2M or more than doubling. There was no appreciable gain in any education metric what so ever. With declining birth rates we can probably get by with less teachers and more importantly less administrators. Notice the headline Education Jobs. Not teachers. Obviously there where a large number of administrators in that 300K. And not all were fired a good deal retired etc. And why are states not able to maintain those inflated numbers well one reason are the generous benefits states and local groups gave to teachers etc. Illinois spends almost 25 percent of its budget on pensions . Average teacher pension is 45K, for a teacher that retired with 30 years of service that number is 65K. Illinois increased its income taxes by 67% last year all that money went to increased pension benefits. So the Teachers union have succeeded in cutting their own membership have no sympathy for them.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • LMC

      Maybe I should move to Illinois! I will retire from teaching in 5 years and there is no way I am looking at a retirement of 65K, because that is about what I am earning now! I haven't checked your figures, but I sincerely doubt they are correct.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Whywearehere

      This is why we are in this mess. The republicans have convinced those who follow their parties ideas that smart people go into business to make money and dumb people go to work in government because they are not smart enough to make money (money, which by the way is known as God to republicans). The simple truth is that a great number of people work in low paying government jobs teaching your children, taking out your trash, making sure your toilets flush, and keeping your streets safe. While those who are smart according to the republicans make a lot of money in the private sector caring less about their fellow citizens (for addition information on this thought process see your vice presidential candidates literary hero). Then the economy turns bad (because of greed, no doubt sponsored by those smart business people on wall street that you all idolize, again reference Ryan's literary hero) and who ends up being the target, those who chose to work for less, even while times are good, to improve your life and the lives of your children while you worked for more. Iron mike what have you done for your community that deserves the respect that our teachers deserve?

      August 18, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • JC in Western U.S.

      Never mind that between 1980 and 2010, the population grew.

      August 18, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  67. reader10

    This is CNN.Picture is Los Angeles.What do you expect.It is always somebody else's fault.

    August 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  68. T1156

    Most people here have no idea what they are talking about. You had one or two or five bad teachers in your high school and you think they're all lazy and greedy and pathetic. Some of them are. Some teachers are awful. Some teachers are ok. Some teachers are incredible. The problem is that too many of them have done nothing besides teach for their entire professional career.

    I used to be a high net worth financial planner and proprietary equities trader. High stress, long hours, no pension. I teach high school math now because I enjoy teaching... but at no point, ever, was any job I've ever had anywhere near as difficult as teaching. But that's because I choose to be a good teacher and I care about my job. It's easy to be a teacher and blow off your profession because our government is full of either p*****s, or people who do not understand how to add and subtract, or some combination thereof. Many teachers, including myself, could teach a classroom with 120 students in it because we have good management skills. Other teachers complain all day about sixteen students.

    The solution is this: Make it more difficult to be a teacher. Stop hiring morons. Make it mandatory for teachers to have real world, for-profit experience working in some other profession for a minimum of 3 years prior to teaching. Also, provide a tiered system of pay so that Physical Education teachers do not make the same salary as Physics teachers. We have a Physics teacher who went to MIT at our school, and he is phenomenal. We also have History teachers who can barely read. RE-TEST the teachers and if they can't excel at their profession in terms of content knowledge and instructional ability, fire them. That's what happens in the real world.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • ironmike

      Well it would be better to have teachers have degrees in the subject matter they teach. Education majors are near the bottom in terms of academic skills .

      August 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
      • teacher

        You are out of touch with "real" reality. Education and the complex choices and implementation of successful techniques of multi tiered, differentiated and group based learning taught in "Education"are what accounts for the highest percentage of what is successful in classrooms. Obviously you have some much needed learning to occur before you engage your speech center again. Try a course in education, how about graduate level?

        August 18, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
      • ironmike

        Sure they offer them online shows you how pathetically simple they are

        August 18, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • teacher

      I teach. 100% industry certification for industry for graduates this year. Every single student. The students didn't even come to the school knowing they were going to enroll in the program. Every teacher is important. No Phys Ed teacher makes what other skilled positions do, but all teachers provide an important facet of the students growth. NOT ONE TEACHER I WORK WITH IS LAZY OR INCOMPETENT WHICH IS WHY I STAY. We are constantly ATTACKED for everyting including the sub prime meltdown indirectly. I DARE ANY OF YOU TO EVEN BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH REQUIREMENTS DEMANDED OF YOU EVEN WHEN YOU ARE HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL TEACHER AND KEEP YOUR SPIRIT TO WANT TO TEACH. THE ONLY TWO GROUPS WHO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN A STUDENTS LIFE IS A TEACHER AND THE PARENTS. FROM WHERE I SIT THE REST AND THEIR INANE COMMENTS AND POLICIES ARE NOTHING BUT DESTRUCTIVE AND MISPLACED. P.S. SORRY for all the caps but none in the world gets it. Not even you being a math teacher which I expect you would open your eyes and learn.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
      • ironmike

        Went to CPS and there were plenty of lazy and incompetent teachers. As for education majors , again they are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to academics. Better to have teachers trained in the subject matter they teach in.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • judeamorris

      I was a multiple award winning teacher for 20 years. I have two BA degrees in my fields, two Masters degrees, all my coursework for a PhD, and countless graduate credits in teacher education toward improvng my professional skills. I know my fields of study upside down, and I know how to effectively teach. My test scores improved yearly. My honors kids were National Merit Scholars, Presidential Scholars, top achievers. My remedial kids all were able to pass state exit exams to graduate (including my mainstreamed special ed students). I did my job well, and I worked my tail off to be the best teacher possible and accountable to all my students. There are many teachers like me. Work outside education is NOT some magical prerequisite to being a good teacher. I am torn between amusement and incense when math or vocational teachers enter teaching from some othe field and think they have all the answers. Our teachers need to be: 1.) better educated in both their field(s) and in educational techniques (including lesson development, effective testing, classroom management, and child psychology) 2.) be given the proper supplies and equipment with which to teach 3.) be properly evaluated on a regular basis by an outside team 4). be offered a clear curriculum 5). be given the creative license to teach that curriculum as they see fit 5). be given the support of peripheral personnel (guidance counselors, librarians, mentors, etc.). AND, above all, they need parents and the American public to support them. If we don't value education as a society, we fail our educators.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
      • teacher

        Thank you. Every Child Left Behind did not help and lack of support is crippling. If public schools were given the SUPPORT they need they are cheaper than Charters or other alternatives and more successful. The lie of of improving education is yelled out by others who have been influenced or who are manipulating the base of all public education to destroy it so they can get the monetary reward of private education. IF NO ONE KNOWS CHECK OUT WHAT THE BROAD FOUNDATION HAS DONE TO SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROY PUBLIC EDUCATION AND STILL IS.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • ironmike

        We spend more than any country in the world on education our kids go to school for far fewer days than other countries they spend fewer hours in class than other kids. We have one of the lowest teacher to student ration in the industrialized world. and right now our public school system ranks #25 in the world. All you teachers come here complain about lack of respect etc. Respect is earned , not given

        August 18, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
      • LMC

        Well stated! Thank you!

        August 18, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
      • CDG

        IronMike...you intrigue me. Could you please link your sources for your comments because they contradict most studies I've read.

        I'm also interested in your assertions that ed majors are academically stolid. My anecdotal experience has been vastly different.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
  69. Rick Springfield

    "A NOSOTROS", therein lies the problem. Its the same problem as "ES LA LEY" you see wallpaperred to all public hospital waiting room walls. It means that you come to the USA illegally and then demand free things such as education and health care. It has bankrupted whole states like California, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico. Illegals flooded the nation with people who 1) do not pay taxes and 2) flooded hospitals with babies, 3) flooded public schools with their illegal seed. See the problem? No taxes in but lots of tax money out. That's a loosing situation that eventually will be corrected by world money markets. In other words, the world will say no more money to the USA and we will finally have to forcible kick out illegals or make them pay for the free babies and students they spawned on this nation.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • LouAZ

      You sound like an American Indian. What tribe do you belong to ?

      August 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
      • Rick Springfield

        The wannamakawhoopee tribe.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
      • LouAZ

        Hey Rick – I'm a FUGAWE tribe member.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • David

      Wow who put the bee's in your Wheaties? How do you know they don't pay taxes? Most probably paid a percentile more t tthan Mittens Romney.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
      • Des

        Without a SS#, no Feb tax, no State tax only sales tax....

        August 18, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  70. Nietodarwin

    "No child left behind" is really LEAVE THEM ALL BEHIND. More of the Bush/Cheney legacy from the horrible GOP. The GOP is basically a domestic social terrorist organization more than a political party now.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Go calm down and wait for your welfare check. It will come.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Rick Springfield

      Less of a Bush problem and more of an Obama, "Welcome to the USA where free health care and education is waiting for all illegals of the western hemisphere."

      August 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
      • Henry Henderson

        And the legal resident have to pay for this!

        August 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Dave_edu1

      Average class size in Mainland China is 55, the average score of the typical HS student in China scores 20% higher than a US student? Clas room size is NOT THE ISSUE.

      In China, class room hours are 20% longer, demands are higher – so what's the difference??

      Hard work and focus, not the neopolitical nonsense taught in US classrooms. Get ready to be beaten – by hard work!

      Dedu

      August 18, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
      • MichCats

        Those Chinese students are being tested on their learning in a different educational style. They are encouraged to excel at memorization which, I grant you, helps with math skills, but thinking for oneself is not high on the curriculum. It takes more time to get students to think and express their reasoning than it does to spout facts. That's why a smaller class size makes more sense for our educational goals. That is provided you want to produce citizens capable of reasoning.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
      • LMC

        Most of the statistics coming out of China are based on the richest area of China. Memorization, not creativity is the order of the day. Students are even taught what to write in their college applications and creativity is not acceptable. On top of that the parents make sure their children are studying and doing their homework, something that doesn't happen that much in the US.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
      • sharky

        Chinese parents or Asian parents are highly disciplined and demand discipline from their kids.

        I went to school with a girl whose family was from Thailand. The girl, amazingly brilliant, did go to Brown University, but had no social life in school, really, due to her parents putting that much emphasis on education and discipline. And no the girl did not have any sort of break down either post graduation and leaving her parents.

        August 18, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • sharky

      Well it is nice to see you are a scathing indictment on the American Education System. No surprise.

      PS below average individual, the NCLB was developed as a bipartisan effort and due to the fact the public education system was HORRIBLE before the law took place. Things actually did improve some after the law. The problem is the unions did not like it as teachers were then held accountable to actually teach and make the children learn. NOW with the revocation of NCLB teachers are no longer held accountable to teach and get the kids to learn and pass.

      You really are not well educated at all and to then stoop so low as to say the GOP are a terrorist group, wow, you were a child left behind.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  71. Pepe Le Pew

    I went thru the Chicago school system. I failed biology so they gave me woodshop as a make up, just to pass me thru. I failed Trig and they gave me gym in summer school, just to pass me thru. Failed algebra cause the teacher was hispanic and I couldn't understand her. Was like being taught by Charo. As a kid you don't stand up and say there is a problem, you just shut up and follow along like cattle. I've watched kids get beat by teachers just for being messy in their appearance. I've watched teachers turn thier heads as another kid hits another with the teachers coffee mug. I've seen a teacher with "The Board of Education", a wood stick used as a persuader of order in class. In the 70's and 80's.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • ironmike

      Went to CPS as well. While my experience wasn't as bad as yours I can attest to the total mediocrity of the teachers then. Teachers who knew nothing about the subjects they were teaching . Teachers who didn't care at all. Had one teacher who did nothing but show films every class. It was first period so it was good to catch up with your sleep. And yeah your right as a kid you don't know and if your parents didn't have much of an education well then your doubly screwed.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
  72. kaavya

    etm.. the reason Asian students can do that is, because their parents do take responsibility for their kid's education, despite their full time jobs and other obligations in day to day life. They don't just sit down and balme others. That is needed in American families. Can anyone deny this?

    August 18, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Very well said. Most Asian students excel in high school. Why? The parents don;t blame the teachers. They realize the y have the fisrt duty to help educate their children, they help with their home work, take them to practices where as other parents, their hands are ready to point toward the teachers for any and all problems their children have in school.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Michelle-Middle School

      People can deny this all they want, but those who do truly do not understand the difference between American students and Asian/Asian-American students. Their parents CARE. They do not want a hand-out. They want good teachers. Whenever an Asian name was on my rolls, I knew that the students would add to the productivity of my classes. Instead of resenting that the Asian students are usually better, all parents need to learn from their passion for excellence, which has been lost in America. Until parents and the community get on board with education it will continue to degrade.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
      • ironmike

        So its the parents not the teachers that are important. So why are you the ones getting the salaries the pensions etc. If your kid does well then as a parent you should get a refund from the school district . Since its mostly you that deserve the credit. Funny teachers are always the ones to take credit when kids do well but when they don't its the parents fault

        August 18, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  73. kaavya

    Okay. education starts @ home first. Stop blaming state or fed governments. Let us start with all parents spend 30 minutes each day to monitor, what exactly is thier kid(s) learning at school. If this can be done consistently, I bet the education standard in American schools goes high. In stead, first thing we do is to find someone other than ourselves, to blame.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      We learned blaming others from our President.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
      • manhandler1

        Stating facts is NOT blaming others.

        August 18, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Speaking like a true Blamer0in-Chief follower.

        August 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
      • Mary1972

        It looks like you learned to blame much before that. LOL

        August 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Exactly. Parents find it easy to point fingers at the teachers (the rest of the fingers are pointing toward them) because they are in denial and don't want to admit they have failed as parents in making sure their children get good education, they follow their child's progress at school and get involved in helping them with home work. Everything is "two way", you need 2 hands to clap. If the teachers are good but the students don't follow them in class, don't do their home work or copy home work from a buddy or worse yet, bully another student to share their home work and spend all their time watching TV or hang around with friends, then it is the student's fault.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • judeamorris

      As a career educator (now retired), I can tell you that brain research has proven that if a child spends 10 minutes per subject reviewing the day's lessons, retainment rises immensely, and children succeed proportionately. It's the difference between the gifted achiever and the average kid. Parents need to be involved in their children's education - bottom line.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
      • Jane Marsh

        Did this "research" account for IQ, processing speeds and active working memory? Any kid with a 75 Standard Score in processing speed would not be able to do what you suggest.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  74. etm

    Want your school to score high on standard test, SAT, then get only Asian students. They can ace the exam without the help of a teacher.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Mary1972

      That is because Asians give high importance to education and parents help their children and take part in their children's education.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
      • Jane Marsh

        Asian student do have high SAT scores....but they also have very high suicide rates among teens.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  75. mafiaUnions

    Government spends more than $10,000 a year per student attending public school and the level of education keep falling. My kid had sewing classes in 7th grade (that's right sewing classes!!). I wonder what degree you need to "teach" sewing? Here is a cost saving idea. Give me half of the money government spends and let me take my kid to a private school.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • LouAZ

      Children are being taught sewing so that as soon as the Teapublicans get full control the child laboe laws we be repealed and they want trained garment workers to be able to start right away in the sweat shops. This is what Rayn/Ronmey mean about going head to head with China. They are going to bring those garment jobs back to you in America ! Never forget – Reagan Teapublican Trickle Down Economics = Golden S howers.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      I don't think Romney/Ryan were even in the picture when the "learning" of sewing was going on at full speed. But hey, you tried (being stupid).

      August 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
      • LouAZ

        Typical response of an Instant Gratification ME ME ME psyche. You don't understand Central Planning do you ? How about Calendars ? Some things take longer than a day or week. But glad your kid is ready for the sweat shops. Is your kid supporting you now ?

        August 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • judeamorris

      Don't know what state you live in, but NOWHERE in the U.S. does a state spend $10,000 per student for education. Your "facts" are really, really skewed.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  76. Barry In Las Vegas

    Too bad Obama doesn't care about non-union people getting laid off. The only people he cares about are those on the public payroll who have great benefits and retirement packages like teachers, firemen and policemen – all union members who spend millions supporting Obama and the Democrats.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  77. Roger Ogilvy Thornhill

    I like good teachers and I want everyone to have a 1st class education. In California our public schools rank toward the bottom of the nation. This state voted for a lottery about 20 years ago that was supposed to help our schools, but they're worse than ever. Where's the money going? Used to be, every time a school asked me to pay more property tax for them, I did. But where's the money going? I don't vote for giving more money to schools any more. Fool me 12 times, shame on you, fool me 13 times, shame on me. The system is broken and throwing more money at it isn't helping.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Alicia

      Florida did the same thing with the Lottery years ago for the same reason. What happened to the money,? Once the Lottery funds were available the State Legislature decreased government contributions and used primarily Lotto monies. Each year more and more Lotto money was used and the state contributed less. Then the DOE contributed less each year and on and on it went. Until now many good teachers are retiring in frustration.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  78. Popcorn

    Union Teachers already have houses, cars, etc... GOP help them. Just like Guns.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Al Ford

      Teachers have houses and cars? errrr....like most other employed people. What a stupid point.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Why can't the teachers have houses and cars? Is that a crime? I am sure the pay more taxes than Mitt.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • sharky

      Your post makes no sense.

      August 18, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
  79. Tax P. Ayer

    If they weren't all a bunch of lazy, greedy bums maybe I would care... nah, I still wouldn't care! F the NEA!

    August 18, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Angela

      Tax P. Ayer - did your write this just to ruffle feathers? I am a teacher not a lazy, greedy bum. When we generalize a people group (like you just did), it is called discrimination. Maybe you had a bad teacher who never taught you the definition of that word.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Mary1972

      It looks pot calling the kettle black. Get off your couch and help your kids with homework etc before blaming the teachers.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
      • LouAZ

        Kids don't have homework anymore. It interrupted their time at the mall and texting to the person sitting next to them. Teachers didn't like it either . . . stack of sticky dirty paper on their desk every day . . . well some days.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  80. Wazzup

    Unions (teachers union being a big part) spent 4.4 billion in the last 5 years, to help their liberal buddies and Obama. They could have payed way more than 300,000 teachers if they really care. Now White House want to give them a payback.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • SuperDave

      That's right. Teachers should also be asking how their 2 union leaders make a half a million dollars a year EACH! Instead they are mad at taxpayers.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
      • CTS

        I'm a teacher and not in a union. I get paid 45,000 a year. I cannot afford a house, unless I'm willing to travel pretty far to work and live in a pretty small house. My retirement will come out to about 22,000 a year. I can barely afford rent now. During the school year I work at least 60 hours a week. I love my job.... a lot, so it's all worth it. But I am one of the few. If I had children, I would probably have to quit.

        We lose countless teachers due to poor pay and conditions every year. Unless you are a zealot like me, you wouldn't last long teaching, especially if you are good. Why? Because it's completely thankless job, for little pay (especially when you consider that we all have at least one degree). As good teachers continue to leave the profession and are replaced with mediocre ones, administrations and lawmakers become more micro managing and try to implement training programs. This is where the entrepreneurs make their money off of your taxes. Someone has to develop these training programs, and someone has to pay for them. 'Education companies' are getting rich off of your money. The really bad news is that these programs are worthless. They do not raise education levels. They just raise the amount of time teachers have to pay attention to some new procedure or gadget.

        I could continue with 100's of illustrations about what is wrong with our educational system, without even mentioning teachers. But the truth is teachers are a part of the problem. But the bottom line is this, you get what you pay for.

        PS.Imagine what would happen if we doubled teacher salaries, allowed Districts to hire and fire, but only based on student/ parent evaluation of teacher efficacy. Nobody knows the effectiveness of a teacher better than the students and the parents.

        August 18, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Allen Mosbaugh

      Do the math ! The $ 4.4 B alleged spent over 5 years would have amounted to less than $3000/year per laid off teacher.
      While a large sum, not nearly enough to pay 300,000 teachers as you claim (unless you think they deserve a pittance of an annual salary)

      August 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Is not "alleged", but fact. You can easy find out if you want. And let's not forget that the majority of the "lay off" went into retirement, enjoying a big fat retirement check at tax payer expense.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  81. DesertJazz

    This is a 'no duh' moment as a teacher. I guarantee you that we have wasted those 300k teachers salaries every year in the form of the investment into the standardized testing obsession. The sheer amount of money wasted on that endeavor, which is doing nothing other than to teach to the test, could easily rehire those teachers. For those outside of education, it's not just the tests (58 days of it in Texas last year I believe out of 180 days of instruction), it's the benchmark and pre-tests that schools give out. Generally I watch them pass out past tests they've purchased, and I'm sure that each of those tests has to cost at least $3-5 per kid (probably more) and the schools shut down for them. Some schools do that 2 or 3 times before the actual test days! You want to hire back those teachers? NCLB needs to go away.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Exactly. I used to wonder all those "scholastic tests" and whether they helped the students but only helped the people in the education department feel good. . I found at least one error in that it said "Kashmir belongs to Pakistan". At present, most part of Kashmir belongs to India but contested by Pakistan.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
  82. Jennifer

    This is what happens when the states micro manage, can't wait for the fed to step in...

    August 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Grego

      This is what happens when two out of every three dollars goes to teacher's pensions and insurance. In Michigan anyways.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  83. Adam

    I don't know why people look to Obama, or potentially Romney to fix this. Education is managed at state level, so worry more about who you elect to your state government. I mean look at Wisconsin, they couldn't be more against education after what they did to the teacher's union.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  84. spent

    The district where I taught you will enjoy the following, and no surprises here: Supt. of the dis $275.000 per year, $3000.00 per month car allowance, after one year of service, All medical benefits paid for he and his wife for the rest of their life, travel allowance $12,000 per year and 1/2 of the monthly payments on his home paid by the district. Teacher's cut in salary, increase in health premiums, increased class sizes, cuts in classroom from $750.00 per. year per. class to $375.00. Failed to mention he has three secretaries and working days 225. So, just another perspective you all might be interested in.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • tony

      In the UK, they didn't have large schools and separate admin staff. The best senior teacher became the head teacher and ran the school properly as well as keeping their hand in by teaching few classes every week. No useless huge salaries for appointees.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • mike

      We had an issue in MN, a district paid off a assistant $225K to quit. The residents of the district were ticked asking why this was done basicly if she screwed up why were they paying her to be fired or not completeing her term. They took it to court for full disclosure and lost stating the school board did not have to disclose their reasons for paying somone $225K of their tax dollars to quit. If we cut every over paid super Int salary in half and got rid of all the unnecessary perks for doing what we pay them to do we could hire all the teachers back. No golden parachutes for civil servants. They are way overpaid.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
      • spent

        Mike: One stepped down on a compromise by the board and was paid 500kt in Ca. moved on and was given a glowing evaluation and took a job in Nevada...The dist. where this guy left paid the taxes on the 500k..Peachy, hey, Mike?

        August 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  85. NorCalMojo

    The time for excuses are over. The education systems around the country have been making the same excuses for decades. People who value education are giving up on them. If they want to keep the good students and good parents from going private, they better make some fundamental changes in the way they do things.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • NorCalMojo

      *is* over, LOL. I better get some coffee.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  86. Paula D.

    This is in line with how we "value" teachers in the US. No other industrialized country pays so poorly, criticizes so much and empathizes so little towards those in these thankless profession. Thank God I took my M.A. in Education into the corporate environment rather than into the classroom. Who in the right mind would want to enter this profession while living in a culture that professes: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." When the US ranking falls precipitously below that of every other industrialized nation, YOU can point to this generation and wonder no more: "Aah, so that's where all our jobs went....to educated workforces in other countries." Make sense? Understand?

    August 18, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • ken

      Actually no other country spends as much on public education as the US. The issues are much more complex than any one complaint; bad unions, irresponsible parents, there are lots of reasons the schools are failing,but to assign blame to one party or one reason is well, stupid.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • LouAZ

      "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." You forgot to include the rest of the saying: Those who can neither do, nor teach, work for theGovernment.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
  87. tony

    If low tax rates cause Job Creation, then Mitt's success and his tax returns must be some of the best examples to share and show us all how to do it right. Stand up for job creation Mitt and show us the way!!!!

    August 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • tony

      As expected, no repub criticisms of the logic of this 🙂

      August 18, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Oh, Mitt is not interested in the poor and the middle class and hence their education. He had in factt talked about cutting teachers, fire fighters and police men.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  88. Old Hag

    This discussion is supposed to be about education. It has been hijacked to focus on political polemics. Most of the postings show little understanding or regard for either logic or sentence structure. This does not speak well for education in the last 20 years. It breaks my heart to think this sort of display is typical of the populace affluent enough to afford email.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  89. Ricky Gonzales

    The fact some of these students are holding signs in SPANISH is reason enough not to support them.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • rrosencrantzz

      Come to California where Jerry Brown wants to give the illegal immigrants free college.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • LouAZ

      Your right. We bought about half our Country from the French, and then stole everything else west of the Mississipi fair and square from Mexico. White is Right !

      August 18, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
      • Rich

        Actually we bought a large portion of it, most of New Mexico and Az, Texas joined the union as a republic with citizens of both Mexican and Anglo ethinicity.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
      • LouAZ

        Au contrair (sp?) Rich – Read up on the Treaty of Hidalgo. You might be thinking of the Gasden Purchase.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Why does that bother you. Language skills are good and it would come in handy some day, specially if you go into service sector.

      August 18, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  90. RWENUTS

    Assuming that federal government should be funding states' education in the first place, I wonder how many teachers could have been hired with the $25 billion the feds lost on the GM deal and the $500 million it lost on Solyndra???

    August 18, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Wonder how well we all will had we not got involved in Iraq based on a lie?

      August 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
      • RWENUTS

        Based on a lie or bad intel, the enemy has not flown any planes into our buildings since; an enemy, by the way, who would have no compunction about beheading your loved ones right in front of you.

        August 18, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
  91. Trayvon Martin

    No matter how much you subsidize the education of some people they refuse to learn or are not able to learn. It's better to focus the money on populations that do want to learn. Obama's socialist agenda pours trillions into the abyss he is trying to muscle us all into being equal when the truth is we are not. Most of his base are whiners and moochers and will never be successful no matter how much money you give them. Trying to force their success only results in the truly ambitious being held back.

    August 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • JD

      The long term consequences of not valuing education are staggering but should provide lots of cheap labour to support our republican 1% overseers. Thank you Trayvon if that is your real name for ensuring their profitable future. I'm sure they will throw our children a few bones.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • judeamorris

      Our public school system has always worked on the basis that ALL American students get the same educational opportunities. It certainly didn't start with Obama. It started with a man named Dewey. Any teacher will tell you that the students who don't want to be in the classroom or who can't behave in the classroom suck energy and time from the education of those who do. That's why we have Alternative Schools, for kids who for one reason or another do not belong in a regular classroom; but they are small and expensive. Perhaps we should turn the focus on the small and expensive towards the best and the brightest. But that would make us un-American, wouldn't it? And the parents of the the kids who don't get small and expensive would be screaming "foul."

      August 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  92. NorCalMojo

    Layoffs are needed. There is obvious bloat. The cuts should be in administration.

    Their information management is stuck in the 1950's.

    I'm asked to fill out medical information for every field trip. 4 or 5 times a year sometimes. They have an army of office workers to print and copy the forms, but no system to retain the information for future access.

    More people teaching, fewer people pushing paper.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:59 am |
  93. San Diego Kid

    The Unions are not the problem, the problem is the state governments continue to spend as if property taxes were still bringing in 2001 dollars. Without the Unions the schools would pay teachers 8$ an hour, what kind of education would we get then? A WalMart one as in we would produce a bunch fo losers that were only capable of being WalMart employees or gang members. Stop supporting the GOP you are not one of them unless you make more than 10 million a year, if you make less you are just a fool who supports them.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • rrosencrantzz

      Get rid of the Department of Education.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
      • thomasd51@excite.com

        yep getting rid of the dept of education would save a bunch and the dept ofe energy

        August 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Mary1972

      Exactly. GOP wants the teachers like slaves, bought and paid for. How will you get qualified and motivated teachers if they don;t get paid well? Let us fisrt find out how many congressional staff are there for each congress men/women and how much they get paid? Apart from benefits, they make good salaries and some of them make around $175K per year. What do we get in return? Dumb congressmen?

      August 18, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  94. Bill

    Are these education jobs that were created by the obama stimulus money that was only for 1 or 2 years?

    August 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  95. Popcorn

    Why is your EXPENSIVE LAZY UNION TEACHERS got "LAYOFF"? Your teacher got lazy and refuse to help disadvantage adults. Your helped kids produce 8 talents for being unemployed. They refuse to share to the public. Government desperate need them for exploration and new scientific knowledge. These highly educated people refuse to help government and private sectors.

    I have seen these things in college. I learned in Economic 101 in private library. NAIRU. INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE., PATENT, ETC. You will see top scientists and engineers drop out future works. They know Athletes and high school drop out making more money than college graduates and college unemployed.

    You won't see top talents anywhere in the public. They are not impressed with NASA rover. Because they know how to build robots by themselves. So your gold digging union people got too greedy like madoff's ponzi. you helped unemployed to produce 8 talents.They won't share it like Leonardo Divinci, Mayan lanugages, Euclid, Archimedes, etc.

    Euclid was the greatest Mathematicians and refuse share his work with best of the best. Colleges and top university have hard time crack his code. I know there are top private educators refuse to share their secrets with public. They were victimized by bullies in schools. So your union teachers bullied them.

    Top educators won't share top secrets to the people, major corporations(like IBM, GOOGLE, etc,) they know about eavesdropping. How? Because they are smart and smart. Isolated.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • jon

      You need to go back to school to learn proper English. You don't even have the right to argue about teachers when you can't even write a proper sentence. You sound like you're from another country that speaks broken English.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
  96. chris

    Im getting tired of this campaign of public sympathy for the education system. Once I supported it, but after discovering that for example the St. Louis public school system has 552 management positions (making much higher wages than the boots on the ground teachers) when the same number of children in the St. Louis archdiocese school system is managed by only 12 people I knew where the money is going..a bloated public school system with way more management positions sucking up the money that comes in from these pleas for "carring about the kids". LOOK fix your own system before crying to the public. WE DO SUPPORT THE KIDS AND TEACHERS. It's not our problem that your system sucks up the money long before it reaches the classroom and teachers.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • chris in fort lauderdale

      I agree with you. The primary problem with schools is how poorly they are run. We spend more per student than nearly every country, yet we get little for it. Why? In order to bring real progress, President Obama, needs to push the Department of Education to cut administrators and others at the top tier who do not spend any time in front of students. Unfortunately, those at the top and who are bleeding the system are the first to fire teachers to show the public they need more money.

      August 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  97. zyxw

    Corporate America can get educated, hardworking, well trained and cheap labor from around the world .. no wonder they don't want to spend money on education.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • TheVeteran

      That is why it is not a good thing for Americans to privatize education. You're right, they don't care. And they will go and get the cheapest educated people they can find. So, why should be subsidize that by giving them tax loopholes? Corporations have no loyalty to America. Their loyalty is to riches, and riches cross back and forth across borders every second.

      WE HAVE TO LOVE OURSELVES ENOUGH TO STOP LETTING THEM DO THIS TO US.....

      August 18, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • bam

      mittens and the gNOp dont want to spend on EDUCATION hence their war on it.... duh

      August 18, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
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