300,000 education jobs lost, White House urges investment
Students and teachers protest education cuts in Los Angeles in May 2011.
August 18th, 2012
06:01 AM ET

300,000 education jobs lost, White House urges investment

By the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) - Budget cuts are forcing districts to scale back on teachers and staff, resulting in larger class sizes and fewer school days, according to a White House report released Saturday.

More than 300,000 education jobs have been lost since the end of the recession in June 2009, said the report, which was prepared by the White House Council of Economic Advisers, Domestic Policy Council and National Economic Council.

"Think about what that means for our country. At a time when the rest of the world is racing to out-educate America, these cuts force our kids into crowded classrooms, cancel programs for preschoolers and kindergarteners, and shorten the school week and the school year. That's the opposite of what we should be doing as a country," the report quotes President Barack Obama from an address in June.

As a result of the cuts, the national student-teacher ratio increased from 2008 to 2010, from 15.3 to 16, the report said, reversing nearly a decade of gains. Typical class sizes are larger than the ratio because it includes teachers for students with disabilities and other special cases.

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Some schools are also shaving the number of days students spend behind their desks by shortening the school week, school year and trimming programs like preschool and kindergarten, the report said.

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The White House report, "Investing in our Future: Returning Teachers to the Classroom," highlighted the potential consequences of such cuts: lower graduation rates and overall achievement levels. Obama also discussed teacher hiring his weekly address.

The report, which comes in an election year for Obama, also stressed the need to invest in education and praised Obama's plan to provide $25 billion to prevent layoffs and strengthen public education, while slamming Republicans in U.S. House of Representatives for passing a budget that would cut non-defense discretionary spending by almost 20%.

Republican Mitt Romney's education plan emphasizes school choice over efforts to reduce class sizes, a stance he said was backed by some studies, and his experiences as governor of Massachusetts. Earlier this year, he said he frequently heard teachers seek smaller class sizes, but some of the worst-performing schools in the state had small classes.

"Just getting smaller classrooms didn't seem to be the key," he said.

The White House report echoed some campaign rhetoric, urging action to keep students from falling behind and touting Obama's American Jobs Act. The American Federation of Teachers and National Education Association released statements Saturday in support of Obama's plan, warning of "poverty spiking and student enrollment increasing," and calling class size "a critical piece of the school improvement puzzle."

"The difference between the President's education budget proposals and those of Congressional Republicans highlights a choice between two fundamentally different visions for our country," the report said. "Nowhere is this contrast more clear than with regard to the choice about investments in teachers and educators as we enter the upcoming school year."

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  1. dd

    Obama is bankrupting the United States. The states have already been bankrupted by his policies. If you want more teachers, put Obama back in Chicago with his Democrat drug gangs!

    August 18, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Donnie

      dd can you tell me which policies you are talking about because I know most bills and law have to pass through congress.Are you one of those blind republican's that just want to join the conversation,to belong

      August 19, 2012 at 4:07 am |
  2. revolting peasant

    I don't blame the teachers. We should be grateful to them for being willing to instill any knowledge whatsoever into our fat, over-indulged, worthless offspring. Then they have to listen to the freakin' parents who think their precious little child is something special. Talk about a miserably thankless job.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  3. rad666

    The money is better spent helping other nations. It's the American way.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  4. revolting peasant

    Maybe the problem is this nonsense about separating churh and state. Maybe we could fix education by bringing Jesus into the classroom. Then we need to fire all of those lazy do-nothing teachers that suckle at the teet of the public dole. Then we need to let the new teachers beat the kids who display effemenate behavior and who don't excel at sports. We also need to strengthen the notion of American supremacy in our history books. Our kids need to learn that USA is #1 and we should let any nay-sayers poop on our party.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
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    There is a satanically ruthless network attached to this OKcult.
    I tell most girls I love that they are supposed to worship me...then I will worship them (celebrities excluded). Please telephone your mother.
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    They said the window, about 6 feet high and 4 feet wide, was left open after it was cleaned by a housekeeper. The boy, who was not in the room during the cleaning, darted past the housekeeper and somehow fell out the window, which was not protected by a window guard, the police said.

    "At this point it seems as if this was a tragic accident," said a police spokesman, Capt. Stephen Davis.

    Besides the housekeeper, the boy's mother, Lori Del Santo, an Italian television actress, was in the duplex with a maid and a friend, the police said.

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    August 18, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
  6. George

    Fewer teachers means smaller payrolls; but overpaid administrators are usually kept. Fewer teacher means more money for pet projects. Fewer teachers means an excuse to raise taxes (general and property). Fewer teachers in large part because of the teacher's union (NEA) that is simply an arm of the AFL/CIO, i.e., it is more more interested in collecting dues than helping to defend teachers from school political correctness and shoddy educational theories that have rooted themselves into the system. There are fewer teachers because they are expected to raise, guide, correct, discipline, inspire, save, protect, entertain, and somehow MAKE students learn in a society that is more interested in being entertained and has set mediocrity as the new social, political, and educational standard.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Lagos

      All true, but like everything else in the world, it's a bit more complicated than that. Societal expectations to treat each child as an extra-special prince or princess make effective teaching harder, large disparities between low income and higher income schools and their performance tie into things as well.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • Steve

      George, you need a course or two in logic and critical thinking. IF the teacher's union was not interested in protecting teachers, HOW can they expect to make money from dues? Logic tells us if all they are interested in is collecting dues, they want MORE not LESS teachers. As far as less teachers meaning an excuse to raise taxes – please explain the logic and critical thinking you used to arrive at that conclusion, as it makes no more sense than your contention that the union isn't interested in teachers!

      August 18, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
  7. teacher of 40 years

    Americans pay for what they value most. I still am waiting for the day when our schools have all the money they need to educate those who want to learn and even those who do not( and there are many) and the day when our military has to have a bake sale to buy bombs and guns.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • patt1289

      http://www.proudtoserveagain.com/ Oh yeah, for those laid off, there are plenty of rural and inner city jobs available, join the troops.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
  8. teacher of 40 years

    Americans pay for what they value most. I still long for the day when our schools have all the money needed to educate those who want to learn and those who don't want to learn( and there are many) and when the military has to have bake sales for guns and bombs. 😦

    August 18, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • patt1289

      I appreciate your support of the Military. As a teacher of 40 years, you have learned little. The military is much more than bombs and bullets. When a hurricane hits, who do you call? Who is plowing the fire lines in the west with the forest rangers? Who spends more time rebuilding communities? You must not have the honor to live near a military base. Ask any of the schools in the local area of a base about who is there to help when needed. Take a walk down the hall and talk with the world cultures teacher. You enjoy more freedoms/rights than anyone else...compliments of the fellows who pray harder for peace than anyone else, but are willing to put everything on the line so you can teach in peace.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  9. mafiaUnions

    My kid got in kindergarten the best teacher in the school (that was the folklore in the neighborhood). I can't say how many time he come home with wrong homework books. The teacher never bother to check the books kids picked up as homework from a place where they were suppose to be just for their grade. So, I complained about at one of the conferences we had. Teacher's response? Is the kid's job to make sure the book he picks is right. I mean many don't even read yet, so how in the world will they know what's the right book?
    Oh, but the highlight of one of the conferences come when the teacher told me that my kid is "alright. He doesn't hang with the problem kids" What?!? Problem kids in kindergarten? How hard is to control them? Is not, but they didn't give a crap about discipline. They come in, sign in for they day and that was pretty much it. I wonder how the things were going in the other classes, since we got so "lucky" to get the best one. I end up moving my kid to a different school.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Valeo Favoca

      I would check into some adult literacy classes if I were you. Some teacher must have failed you early on.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • rickfro

      You obviously have never taught kindergarten. It is one of the most challenging grades to teach, especially if the students do not have any preschool experience.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • Lagos

      Therein lies why our educational system is messed up: Kindergarteners have "Homework books", which likely get updated every few years. So, instead of using these key formative years to focus on the fundamentals of reading, writing, math, social skills, and physical activity, we're using these years to train kids how to learn in one of the least effective manners possible.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
      • Steve

        Lagos, I'm afraid that you fail as George did. HOW do you teach a child to read and write without books, pray tell? And while you CAN teach math without books(let's count on our fingers), it's more effective to use workbooks!

        August 18, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
  10. CAMEO35

    .................................STOP YOUR WHINNING 1.....................DON'T BLAME THE TEACHERS OUR ANY UNIONS FOR FAILING EDUCTATIONAL SYSTEM..................BLAME THE POOR STUDENTS AND THEIR PARENTS.........TEACHERS CAN'T HELP IT IF STUDENTS COME TO THEM WITHOUT MOTIVATION TO OPEN THE BOOKS AND STUDY.........

    August 18, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Then we don't need more teachers do we?

      August 18, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
      • Valeo Favoca

        You try teaching 240 kids, everyday, genius.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Steve

      CAMEO35, if what you say was indeed the case, we wouldn't need teachers at all. Just give all these self-motivated kids books and let them engage in self-teaching! In the REAL world, kids learn in different ways and at different speeds. The challenge for a teacher is to MOTIVATE their students to learn, ENCOURAGE them that they can learn and most importantly, TEACH them HOW to think rather than What to think. A good teacher instills a life-long love of learning in students. That isn't easy to do.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
  11. janelle

    Our system of public education is failing. It's not because of lack of money, we are spending more per student today then we ever did. It's because our schools are not under our control, but being controlled by teachers unions. It's the inmates running the asylum. Just one generation ago, when I was a student, we spent almost half as much per student as we do today, and our level of education was much higher. Today, my children are learning what I learned in school a year to 18 months later than when we learned it. That puts our students a year to a year and a half behind in just one generation!!!!! There is no accountablity or responsibility in our school systems. It's time to get the unions out and put control back in the hands of our local, elected school boards. Let the patrons of the school district make the decisions, not the unions. Let the teachers be accountable, let the administrators be accountable and we will see a vast improvement. I hear people say we shouldn't do away with the Dept of Education, but you know what, ever since the dept of ed, our students quality of education has gone down hill. Our children don't have time for us try and tweak the system, we need wholesale change and we need it now.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • guymontag420

      ACTUALLY, Janelle, that is incorrect. The problem is not teacher's unions, or unions at all, but the way the money is spent. It is NOT the teachers, its the curriculum. The United States Public Education system uses draconian history books filled with errors that are over priced in order to gouge school districts who are getting plenty of federal funding: you don't think it's a little silly that schools are forced to pay HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars in order to provide their students with educational materials that are barely suitable for them to learn with? Go jump off a bridge, you goose-stepping fascist! The problem, as it is with EVERY problem we are facing right now, is corporate influence in the state. Vote out all the corporate sponsored congressman and see the education system improve 300% per year.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
      • Total2199

        Schools in this country passed the point of "no-return" It does not matter anymore how much money go to school districts, education will not improve anyway....schools will fail. Just walk into any University auditorium, you will see that students are all foreigners....young people in this country simply lost interest in education. Period!

        August 18, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
      • MONICA BALSAN

        I agree. Here in Florida its the f-cat. WORTHLESS!

        August 18, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Steve

      Janelle, in my daughter's high school in her Freshman year, we were told at a back to school night that the school board had made a decision to have a REQUIRED course taught only every other year. We were told that they felt that "a lot of kids would be going to a different school the following year and therefore the next year's freshmen could learn it at the next school they went to, and if not, too bad". That decision was made by the county board of education, NOT teachers. Teachers have a very difficult job and it would be even more difficult w/o the support of the union. The issue as I see it is that schools have been re-tasked to teach students how to take tests instead of how to learn. That can be laid at the door of the corporations that prefer their workers to be young and dumb. "We'll tell you what you need to do your jobs – you don't need to think".

      August 18, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
  12. DellStator

    Folks, the president has nothing much to do with school teachers being fired, or hired.
    School budgets are usually funded by local real estate taxes, or special school tax based on value of real estate.
    If you school it firing, its because real estate values dropped, and that means less money coming in.
    Now, if you want to keep the teachers, find a way to get money from the people in your county – it's usually by county, that have money. Yes, that means the rich would need to pay a higher rate than the poor on their real estate taxes and the rich have drummed it into our heads, via the media outlets the rich own, that ONE rate is fair, after all, if I have a million dollar home, I do pay more in total dollars. Yes, and when RE values drop, you SAVE move than 10 middle class and 1,000 poor. If middle class wages had grown instead of stagnated for 20 yrs, this wouldn't be a problem. Instead the folks withe Mc Mansions pocketed our wages, after busting unions, bribing congress to pass free trade laws that opened the country to gov't backed industries, think Steel, think most Chinese cos (you don't do anything big in China without a political boss on your side, I mean payroll, because, when they ended communism, they sold off the prodcution assests to political heavies for a buck, and that's followed through to now. Forget the slave wages, hideous working conditions (free trade was supposed to make foregin workers richer, becoming consumers – US olympic team, less and one dollar a pr for 200 dollar sneakers, goes to the worker. Mexico, workers in the new factores live in shacks scavanged from trash, no running water, sanitation, elec.. You get the idea. The rich have the money, they live in your county, someplace, track them down, get them to pay with the money they've stolen from you.
    Simple as that.
    Oh one more proof, reality TV, Sharks, the investor type, just saw one. Couple made a kids cup in the US for $4 ea, made a profit wholesaling them of 100%, that's $4 a unit, they sold them wholesale for $9. Sharks, the pro investors, INSISTED they be made in China for $2. Sharks even said, no one cares where anything is made (despite couples protest that their experience in kids stores in parent only want US products to ensure they are safe) . 100% profit wasn't enough you see, 200% profit is better, and if makinig them in N. Korea for $1 using contaminated material was possible, the "professional investors" would make you do that. After all, the pros have cornered cash, they control the banks, they bought the gov't. You do it their way, or you get no where. Now that is capitalism! Want to make something in the US and only make 100% – NO, you cannot, not if you need money to grow your co. you don't.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
  13. Dante666

    Maybe we have outgrown our summer vacation break. Maybe it is time for school to be indirect relationship with business (M -F) for the year. Seems to me that a longer school year will allow for either hiring more teachers or at a minimum using the resources more effectively by giving students more time to absorb the material. Secondly, we probably should fall back to that old time schooling. Reading, writing and aritmetic. Also it wouldn't hurt to reintroduce vocational traning along with college prep = not everyone has the god give capability to go to college – however, when a student can't make change for a dollar – well that person is in serious hurt for the work world.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • Kelly W.

      I am a public school teacher and a parent and would love to see year round school. Most of our students do not have intellectually stimulating summer breaks and we spend precious time playing catch up. If education is a focus in our society then we should put practical measures in place to focus on education. The biggest red flags for a lot of top-down educational reforms (like NCLB) are blanket statements like every child will be ready for college by 2014. Education, like people, comes in many forms and getting into college is not a measure of success for everyone. Techinical/vocational classes are only reasons many of our students come to school at all, and I do not deride them for it. I want a smart person fixing my brakes or putting on a new roof and it doesn't matter to me if they do not have a college degree. Thinking is a key component missing from mandated curriculum and educational reforms but is critical to every aspect of success for individuals and society.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:26 am |
  14. Ron Holland

    Obamas plan is just as anti teacher as the Republicans. In fact it maybe worse. He promotes privatization of our public schools and on top of that his RTTT is more draconian in testing than NCLB. Vote Jill Stein for President!! I will be.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
  15. mafiaUnions

    Unions (with teachers union being a big part) spent 4.4 billion in the last four years in political contribution to Obama and his liberal buddies to promote their political agenda. So one will think unions don't need taxpayer money. Seems to be they have plenty to take care of their members.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Sarah Quinn

      Mafia Man - Republican and teaparty supporters have out-donated the dems by a ratio of something like 7:1. They have bought, packaged and shipped our country down a river without a paddle.
      The religious right has also overtaken education in many states and now students get taught fallacies like the Loch Ness Monster is real.
      C'mon. Get serious. Get educated. You are woefully misinformed.
      BTW – you really could use some help with your basic expression. I should know. I'm an English teacher. A strong, proud, American teacher who knows our schools need more.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • rickfro

      So what if unions donated money. So does big business. In fact, I'm certain big business donated more than unions.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
  16. barry 47544

    Ironic, obama promises jobs for teachers to get money. Instead he sends money to Foreign Middle Eastern Countries for Politics, Billiions to Brazil, Columbia and Mexico so they can drill for Oil.

    August 18, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Ron Holland

      Yea mainly to Israel who the U.S is more loyal to than their own citizens.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
  17. dee rouse

    hen i was going to school it was 31 in my class at rogersville high school in alabama

    August 18, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Sarah Quinn

      Alabama you say? Explains why your first word is incomplete and there isn't a capital letter or end punctuation in your sentence. You guys really do need more teachers. Perhaps in a smaller class you would have gotten proper writing instruction.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
  18. newmalthus

    The problem isn’t that that the teachers were laid off, the problem is that they were laid off based upon their lack of seniority, rather than their lack of performance, and that’s a Union problem.
    ...

    August 18, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Sarah Quinn

      If testing, scoring, assessment, and class demographics were leveled and comparable, I might agree. However, experience can't be discounted and there is no fair, balanced way to get testing, scoring, assessments across curriculums and demographics (particularly with spec. ed. students) to be balanced. Hence, you can't compare teachers like that. It's like comparing apples to alligators.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
  19. newmalthus

    The problem isn’t that that the teachers were laid off, the problem is that they were laid off based upon their lack of seniority, rather than their lack of performance, and that’s the problem with having unions in effect running the schools.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Caspian

      Unions are against keeping the best teachers and would rather keep poorly performing teacers based on seniority, which will support their argument for more teachers as many of those retained based on seniority are barely interested in educating their students.

      Obama seems to be pandering to the unions who are strong supporters of democrats and he is simply attempting to rile them and turn them against republicans. This is nothing but a political ploy.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
      • Sarah Quinn

        You are wrong. Your cranal-rectal displacement is impairing your ability to see the issues clearly.

        August 18, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
      • rickfro

        Teaching is a profession where you continue to work on your skills throughout your career. Experienced teachers as a whole are better than inexperienced teachers. Are there some bad teachers? Of course. There is not a profession out there that doesn't have some incompetent workers. However, that is the exception, not the rule. Unions help experienced teachers keep their jobs rather than getting rid of those earning higher wages for lower salaries of new teachers.

        August 18, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
  20. Frustrated

    I was one of the teacher cuts and with eight years experience and these tough economic times. I may never get hired again. Og, and it was a catholic school where I was laid off....where there is no tenure

    August 18, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
  21. Who me

    When you throw money into a failing education system it's not an investment, you don't think it's failing talk to todays youth. Dumping more money isn't going to improve anything except teachers bank accounts.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • newmalthus

      You mean Union accounts and the coffers of the democrats, who want to throw them even more money. What a surprise .

      August 18, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • fred

      lol

      August 18, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • barry 47544

      You need to become an Anti-Colonalist, Muslim or an Ilegal Dreamer. then you get money Thrown at you.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
  22. Kevin McClellan

    The city of Amarillo Tx gave AIG just about $2 million bucks to have jobs here yet they are send some of those jobs to the Philippines. City of Amarillo give Bell/Textron $ 2 million for a new hanger. Isn't that socialism for you cons. Isn't that stimulis money you hate. Where is the outrage from the cons here. Why dont you stop the export of jobs.
    You claim Obama a failure yet the economic collaspe of Wachovia, Bear and Stearns and Lehaman Brothers was on Sept 15,2008 under Bush. Now you want to return to the Bush economic policy and Bush tax cuts and the Bush foreign policy. And you call libs stupid for staying with a policy that stopped the free fall and has slowly turned it around. Agreed not fast enough but when Cons block everything it not going to be fast.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Mark

      Well a majority of the electorate doesn't realize that the republicans have blocked most of the if not all of the job bills, and how many remember that our economic was on the brink of going over the cliff as a result of the Bush policies. Trickle down Reagan economics doesn't work, it is a failed experiment. Why not return to policies that we know works, such as the policies under president Clinton?

      August 18, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  23. jimbob

    The level of edu in this country can't be any worse, even with out those 300k teachers.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
  24. lynnmarie2u

    Let's audit the Pentagon,stop the waste,give our military what they really need,and take the monies that will be saved and put it into education.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • wendy

      funding teachers and state education expenses is not a federal govt responsibility

      August 18, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
  25. xeno

    When I went to school, the teachers took turns being recess and lunch monitors. Now there are other people paid to do this. In fact, there seem to be a lot of "other" people running around schools nowadays, people that are not teachers. There are an incredible amount of mandates that schools have to fulfill, things that don't necessarily have to do with education, but more social services for children that need them. I don't want to see that gone, but I do think actual education should have a separate budget.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Alan

      Teachers still are lunch monitors, study hall monitors, detention, school dance monitors and bus monitors...I know because I do all of them

      August 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      My kid had sewing classes (yes sewing classes!!!) in 7th grade. I wonder what license you need to "teach" sewing and what salary one get for that very important class.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
      • JohnReedjr

        Idiot, The license is for having the ability to convey knowledge of subject matter.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
      • wendy

        we used to call that "home economics"

        August 18, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
      • School Counselor

        You need a Family And Consumer Science Teaching Certification and you get paid a modest salary like most teachers if you really wondered you can do the research. Programs like Family and Consumer science (home ec) Industrial Tech (shop) and Agriculture are called career technology education and are an integral part of education. Maybe someone will find out they are very good at sewing or woodworking and that leads them onto their career path. Many times students who struggle in core subjects such as science, math, and reading would completely hate school if not for finding subject areas they thrive in. I wear clothes and am glad there are people to design and sew them.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        "ability to convey knowledge of subject matter"....how hard can it be to say "here is the needle, here is the tread. That goes into the other. Watch your fingers". Class done.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
      • School Counselor

        Well you also must be trained in the art of teaching

        August 18, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
  26. marstomr14

    This problem is just as easy to fix as all the other ones in the world...just throw more money at it.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  27. Perry

    Education is another issue we need to tackle as a country. Another area where there is so much bureaucracy yes we need educators but we need educators that are going to help our students and they need to be held to a higher standard.. I can recall in my high school experience in History two seperate years i had teachers that did nothing but play movies and this was not a school in the middle of nowhere it was/is only 45 minutes outside the nation's capital and it was the only area i saw these type of problems. So the question is do we throw money at it or maybe do a re org and separate the wheat form the chaff?

    August 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Alan

      The days of playing movies ended with the passing of NCLB...ancient history. A teacher wouldn't last a year if that's how they taught..it just doesn't happen

      August 18, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
      • Perry

        this was after that!!! believe it or not i graduated mid 2000's

        August 18, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
  28. Alan

    It's sad to see some of the responses...folks are willing to pay more for someone to take care of their plumbing than they are to educate their children.....As society unravels, respect for authority is lost, families are broken, parents too caught up in their silly dramas to take responsibility for their kids.....sad. The facts are that teachers take on an immense challenge with very little support from parents...indeed, the parents seem to be the worst of it. Students will learn as well as their parents will support them to learn. If parents don't care, then kids don't care. With only a rare exceptional few, It won't matter what kind of teacher you put in front of them..they will take the path of least resistance and just do what they want.
    In regards to unions, well, unions built this country and if you have a job, then you should thank a union member for your overtime, benefits and vacation. Nearly all of the states without unions perform the worst on state exams. I should know...I worked construction for 25 years before I started teaching.....both union and non-union. In each area, my union job was way harder than my non-union job...they always expected more. In fact, after swinging a hammer for 25 years, I thought teaching would be cake.....it's way harder than swinging a hammer...so all you anti-union loudmouths can just save all your bluster...you don't know what you're talking about.....maybe you should have stayed in school...nuff said.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Lana

      Alan, I totally agree! Well said. I wish more responses on this article were from actual teachers. I don't think a lot of parents or others outside of education understand just how hard a teachers job really is.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
  29. Mike Zealot

    In all fairness there would be no shortage of money whatsoever if we didn't waste it by implementing programs in education that are purely political in nature. In the last administration it was "No Child Left Behind" ... in this administration it is "Race to the Top." School districts spend millions of dollars rewriting curriculum and changing programs, purchasing new textbooks to match the new curriculum, writing new programs to evaluate teachers, and the list goes on and on. The sad thing is that these moves are purely political in nature and they serve no major benefit to students. And the sad thing is that the millions of dollars being spent now to adopt the Common Core curriculum will be for naught as the next administration will find something else that they think should be done with education. It's a huge case of penny-wise, pound foolish. Such is the case with most things that the government is involved with.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  30. rand.......

    How odd.....the WH doesn't talk about all the private sector job losses.........EVER! Still at a net loss overall for job creation and 8.3% unemployment

    August 18, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Surfer George

      That, with all due respect (meaning all the respect that is due to you for making the statement and to the value of the actual statement) is an absolute misrepresentation (LIE) of the facts as anyone who ever listend to the President speak would know.

      The education job losses are particularly egregious in that, they have not only lost their jobs, but their work load will now have to be shifted to whatever is left in the teaching work force.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • craig

      Odd, you speak the truth but attempt to make it appear to be something else.

      There is a "NET" job loss, but if you take out the public sector, there is a gain in the private sector. So, you answer your own question. If we worried about the teaching jobs and other public sector jobs that have been lost, we'd be making progress, and the unemployment rate would be going down. Too bad those FACTS keep getting in the way, but it's interesting you're willing to cite them...since they disprove your basic premise.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
  31. dude

    Teachers should be held to merit pay just like every other profession. That said, we should pay them more. However, they shouldn't be protected by unions, they should get good pay for good work and told to hit the road if they're not up to snuff. More pay would attract more good people. However, teachers aren't the main problem with our education system. It's bad parenting. People would rather make a few bucks extra than sit down and spend time with their kids. Education is worthless to a child that doesn't feel love, safety, and security. And yes I'm talking to you, you know who you are.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • marstomr14

      dude, don't pass the responsibility on to parents...that will interfere with their reality television shows.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Mike Zealot

      When you wish that there is no collective bargaining, keep in mind that there are things in there that directly impact student. The maximum class size, the number of students with special needs that are integrated in a course with general education students, and many other things are elements of collective bargaining. Districts would gladly stuff 40 kids in a room with the hope that they can learn like robots and would think nothing of putting 25 special needs students in a class of 30 knowing that there would be no way that their needs could be met.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Alan

      Really...merit pay???....should cops get merit pay for crime rates?...should firemen get merit pay for the number of fires...how about your dentist getting merit pay for taking care of your teeth?...sound silly?..why?...a dentist will tell you how to care for your teeth, and provide treatment when necessary. A teacher will tell you what you need to do to learn and provide extra help when needed. If you don't learn, its your fault...not the teachers.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
  32. over one hundred million US voters are currently on welfare

    Unfortunatley Romney will come up short and America will no longer be the greatest nation in the civilized world.
    Fell from within like the ancient Roman Empire.

    States have to cut teachers because they have to balance THEIR budget. Unlike Obama and the liberal Democrats who just say to hell with it and just print more money. I feel sorry for today's K-12 students not because of the large class sizes but because of the large hole that Obama and the the liberal Democrats have dug for them.

    God bless what's left of the United States of America!

    August 18, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Skip

      ouch

      August 18, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • dude

      You're numbers are wrong and you're wrong. Obama is the only thing that saved us from another great depression. The republicans are willing to sacrifice the welfare of the nation and provide golden parachutes to the 1% as it falls apart. We're still a great nation; Romney doesn't have anyone fooled.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Maybe Romney not, but Obama sure fooled you.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  33. thetruth

    I'm calling BS on this report. Anyone else find it interesting that it took 10 years to move from a 15.3 to a 16:1 ratio in the classroom? Oh and let's totally disregard the fact that the increase in the ratio can be attributed to illegals in the classrooms....

    August 18, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
  34. mafiaUnions

    Easy fix for the public school systems. Make teachers pay for their own retirement, just like every American. Sure, teaching is important, but so every other profession, so I don't want to pay for their pension. Founds issue solved.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Katherine

      Teachers pay into their retirement. It's taken out of my paycheck every two weeks.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Sure they do. But that is not even close to the amount they receive once they retire and since the money are not invested, so they don't potential grow, their pensions come from someone else. If like a pyramid scheme quite frankly.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
      • Jay

        Hear hear! It's the same with summer pay. People – those who are ignorant – believe that I am "paid" for not working in the summer. No. I have that money deducted every two weeks from my check – money for which I receive no interest. I work like a dog for more than 10 months (because, really I am planning for the fall already). I want people who blast teachers to work in a school for one week – just one week – here in my city. Then you would learn to shut your mouth and encourage higher salaries for teachers.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • DellStator

      I think what mafiaUnions meant by paying into retirment was having to SAVE and pray the financial markets let your nest egg grow until you have enough to retire on, which is about $750,000 for a median wage worker, I don't know what teachers have for retirement, but I think it's pensions, ie, they get half or more of their salary, for as long as they live. Their contribution is combined with many others, and managed by professionals, unsing every trick in the book, including phased buying and selling, which is where when you own so much of a stock you'd crash it if you sold out, you first buy a little, to drive up the price, then sell a bunch at the higher price to suckers, I mean fellow investors who haven't noticed, or can even tell, that you are doing what you are doing – you need access to LOTS of data daily, hourly, to tell why a stock it up or down really. Hence, most people under perform the market, because they don't have a chance, it's like trying to compete in log cutting contest, the pro has the chain saw and you have a butter knife. So, mafia unions was referring the impossiblitiy of private workers to do this. To save yourself and count on avg investment returns, say 7%, way more than most individuals manage to do, assuming you startt he day you start working,you need to SAVE $6,500 a year or on a biweekly pay ck, $250.
      Now I believe in Unions, because they can level the playing field, such as getting employers pay enough that you can make those contributions, to mandate sufficent contributions / participation ie, it's a pension and everyone has to contribute, to hire professioanl money managers, or mandating the employer not have the cousin Vinny (like my ex firm did – din't work well) )run the retirement fund, but have to use a neation wide fund run for teachers (I believe there is one).
      The problem is, only public workers have unions anymore, for the most part. A few other unions left, but they are being stripped of power and workers FAST. For union haters, think, when the union was crushed, who did better, the workers, or the execs at the company. Duhhhhhhhhhh. Now, are unions good for workers?

      August 18, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • iTeach

      Dear Mr. "Well-Informed"
      I am a teacher. I do pay into my pension. In fact, I pay 15.3% of my income off the top into my retirement account. How much do you manage to save for your retirement? Plus, that money IS invested, as the yearly statements I receive illustrates with their nifty charts and graphs. I just have to ask, are you always so ill-informed about what you choose to shoot your mouth off about? Last question, how does your scheme of denying teachers their retirement going to solve all of the school's ills? I would like to learn more about such a well thought out scheme.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  35. Santex

    If we are going to INVEST in education then I want an accounting of the return on my investment. If we are going to spend more on education that is fine by me, however, the teachers should get to spend the increase in ways that benefit the students, not the feds, not the state, not the school board, not the union, only the members of the system that have a personal relationship with the students.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
  36. jimbo

    IFor Obama is all about politics...........Keep raising the debt to give more money back to the unions who support him, and then blame anyone who objects as "anti education" or unwilling to do their fair share........... He's not a leader, he's a politician, that's obvious .........truth is the Republicans are trying to cut spending so that your kids don't end up living in a country being torn apart by overwhelming debt (like Greece),.......that's not politics, that's fiscal common sense.........

    August 18, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
  37. mafiaUnions

    Yes, teachers are important. I mean the good teachers. But so is every other profession, so I don't want to pay for a teacher retirement. They should be able to take care of their own retirement like any other American. If unions can afford to pay them pensions, then good for them, but don't ask the rest of us to pay for your retirement. I think is fair, is it not (I know liberals love the "fair" word).

    August 18, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Alan

      you are exactly what is wrong with our nation...shortsighted, selfish, and ignorant...it will be our demise.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Really? I am selfish because I don't want to pay for you retirement? Why do you expect a handout? Why do you think you deserve money you didn't earn?

        August 18, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • e

      retirement benefits are standard in most businesses, why shouldn't teachers get it also? They do not have a profit share, stock options or anything else like that that corporate employees get. How about instead of getting mad that teachers get a fair retirement, get mad at your employer for not giving you any. It isn't the teachers' faults that your employer is a jerk.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Retirement benefits are standard? How delusional are you?

        August 18, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • j HO

      you are a very ignorant person, and clearly do not realise it!

      August 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  38. Jim

    If we took just 1/4 of our defense & black project budget and paid our teachers, we would never lose a teacher again.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Why not "pay" some other group of professionals with that money. And don't worry, a vast majority of these "lost teachers" went into retirement enjoying a nice pension for which we pay.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
      • TKO

        You don't know what your talking about. Plain and simple.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • Santex

      Sorry Jim, with tenure you already keep more teachers than you should.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
      • Lana

        Are you kidding me? Keep more teachers than we should??? Where are you living? I live in Houston and the last two years Houston plus 3 surrounding districts each fired about 300-500 teachers the last two years! I don't know any teacher with tenure at least not at the elementary teaching level.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
    • e

      What profession deserves a living wage more than teachers?
      You have any concept how much harder it is to teach 35 children in a classroom than it is to teach 20? Over 30 is almost impossible to manage, all of you who think this isn't an issue should try it sometime.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
      • Lana

        Agreed! I don't know many schools with a 16:1 ratio and even then it's not true for every classroom in that school. Typically its more like 25:1 or in 5th grade and up 30:1 (or in high school electives almost 40:1). It's very hard! That's why most people only raise two children at a time, they can barley keep up with the two they have.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
      • Robert

        35 in a classroom. Guess again-right now in California in the district I work for middle school teachers have up to 46 in a class and teach 7 periods a day. Do the Math some are teaching close to 300 students and some teach 3 different subjects. In the high schools class sizes are up to 60 in higher level Math. I also worked in management in the auto industry before returning to teaching. There is no comparison in the difficulty of the two jobs. I am definitely not in it for the money. All you whiners and complainers about teachers have no clue what goes on in the classroom today. Comparing when you went to school and what happens now is like comparing apples to oranges. Yes-I do pay for my health care and I do pay for my pension.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
  39. Dick Hertz

    Stop paying for illegal aliens and keep the Americans working. None of us want to learn spanish either.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • dude

      Illegal aliens are such a small part of our problems, you must have blinders on not to see the republicans are attempting to hand over all the power to the 1%. Quit buying into their propoganda. Follow the money and you'll find the problem. The walmart family has more wealth than the bottom _40%_ of the entire population of the United States, if that doesn't bother you, then you're living in a dream world.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Very small indeed. With Obama amnesty "just" 1.5 million illegals surfaced for staying here. Small indeed.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  40. Mosihasteen

    Smaller class sizes is the mantra, the same old song and dance of the leftist NEA. The ballyhoo over and move towards smaller class sizes hasn't solved one damn thing in getting kids better educated, but has allowed the NEA to deepen its impact on politics in the US which is about all it ever wanted to do. "To hell with the kids, just give us more under talented educators so we can sway elections!"

    August 18, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • e

      Smaller class sizes make a huge difference, it is a large reason why smaller private schools or charter schools get better results. You go try to teach anything with 35 kids in one room and no help.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Lana

      Smaller classrooms make ALL the difference! I think every parent should have to sub for their child's class once in the K-12 school years before they can talk about how school teachers should be treated!

      August 18, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
  41. Jasie

    I am a retired educator and I can tell you there are plenty of positions that could be cut before picking on the classroom teacher. They are always the first to go because they can be used as a political football. Cut the fluff first.

    August 18, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
  42. sidgonuts

    How about we cut military spending, and divert it to NASA and teachers, so that our students can better compete in a global workforce, and America can actually make some technological advancements????? Food for thought, Obama and Romney. Screw Democrats and Republicans, we need to have a system in place that revises the way we vote?

    August 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      We already sped more than any other country per student. You want to fix the public education system? Get rid of unions. They make anything they touch as mediocre as it can be.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
      • ProfM

        Show me the statistics behind that because I'm calling BS. Mind you when you look at cross-national stats you either need to use a standardized measure (i.e. GDP per capita in Constant US dollars base year 2000) or standardized them yourself).

        August 18, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • David Wilson

      That is false. we are more like fourth.
      http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_pri_sch_stu-spending-per-primary-school-student
      Please do not sound so Republican by making up facts.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
      • thetruth

        So you decided to provide data from 2001?!?

        August 18, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
      • David Wilson

        Although that page is 2001 (link to it was a 2011 paper). However, things had not changed in 2008
        http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_ifn.asp
        Republicans who say we spend more than any other nation need to give a source but as a general rule they do not do that..
        This is even a better source
        http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Educational_expenditure_statistics
        and note anything more recent would not be meaning in regard to discussing the effects of htat expenditure.

        August 19, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  43. toydrum

    And the Tea Party faithful whine about not wanting to kick the can down the road and leave the deficit to their grandkids - this shortsightedness completely undercuts the economy for years to come!

    So let's see. We cut education because of the ranting and raving about government waste. A generation of kids goes under-educated. 10 years from now, that generation is unprepared to compete on the global market, so jobs get outsourced or our substandard products are not exported, then we have an econmic crisis and the politicians scream about government waste again.

    At the same time as we fail to fund our own future, we put billions of dollars into overseas wars and then billions more to reubild those countries. When are we going to learn the difference between government waste and investment? We must invest in the longterm future of our nation, not just long enough to get through the next election cycle!!

    August 18, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Mosihasteen

      "Oh, if we only had more funding!"
      .
      "Oh, if we only had more funding!"
      .
      "Oh, if we only had more funding!"

      We'd still have ignorant kids because their parents don't want to get involved in their kids educations.

      More money doesn't mean better anything and this is evidenced by the last forty years of the NEA screwing with the American educational system. Johnny can't read, but he knows its OK for two guys to get married to each other.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
  44. founders1791

    Experian Credit Reporting was owned and managed by Mitt Romney and may have sent this letter to the President regarding cuts in programs:

    "...Upon review of your account, Mr Obama, your line of credit has been reduced...for one of the following reasons:

    (1) Too many accounts at or near maximum allowable credit
    (2) Has been late one or more times in the last 90 days
    (3) No verifiable means of income to pay outstanding balances

    August 18, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • NWGuyInTheRain

      That's funny - LOL.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
  45. Bob

    This president loves to blame everyone but himself. When things start going better after he's replaced, he'll try to take credit for them, too.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • Matt

      I guess we will find out in 2016 if you are correct.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
  46. truthhurts

    The education system is bloated and our influx of genetically less academically excellent students from Mexico and a welfare system that encourages the nations lowest IQ and least productive to breed at twice the rate of our most valuable and intelligent citizens has led to our falling behind, not a lack of funding as the over paid teachers union claims. We need to overhaul universities and colleges as well as they are all subsidized by the state at least inderectly via student loans and they over produce graduates in worthless and academically anemic majors that are useless to employers.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  47. NWGuyInTheRain

    ".....since the end of the recession in June 2009,....."

    Wow I sure am glad the recession has been over for more than 3 years, is that what you call it when you move from a recession to a depression in economic terms. I didn't know we have been in recovery for 3 years and everything keeps looking worse.

    Must be though, because Obama the Great Panderer has said it is so - therefore it is true !!

    August 18, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
  48. Bob

    Thanks Obama!

    August 18, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Jay

      Thanks, Bush, for the phony NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND law! And thanks for the mess of 8 years in the White House that left our country a mess and which President Obama inherited and is erroneously blamed for. Thanks, Bush!

      August 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  49. founders1791

    "...I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer..." - Benjamin Franklin (November 29, 1766)

    August 18, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • marstomr14

      Benjamin Franklin in 1766? Was he one of the Pilgrims that discovered America? What do Pilgrims know about education? They don't even drive cars!

      August 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
  50. Chicken Little

    Don't worry. It's all part of the plan. The population is being slowly dumbed-down and will eventually become a slave/servant caste for the elites who have the money and power. So just relax, sit back and enjoy your "reality" TV, your junk food and beer.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • jreifert

      Okay.... soma holiday anyone?

      August 18, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
  51. Paul

    This is exactly what the Republicans want. All the white little kids will goto school and the black/hispanic kids will not have public education.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Carl

      Take off your political blinders, Paul. Think for yourself for just once.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • One of the Young Autistic Men

      Most Republicans do not want segregation and majority of them are not racist. There are plenty of right wing racists, such as the Church of the Aryan Nations, but there are also plenty of left wing racists, like the Black Panther Party.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • marstomr14

      Keep playing the two party game Paul – the puppeteers appreciate it greatly.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
  52. founders1791

    Romney has world class experience at creating, managing, and investing in companies that create jobs.
    - Mitt is a professional job creator
    - Romney' created The Golden Goose

    Obama has no work experience at creating, managing, or investing in Companies that create jobs.
    - Barrack is an amateur pretender
    - Obama' eats The Golden Goose

    August 18, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • David Wilson

      Romney has world class experience at hiding money in overseas acount, hiding his tax returns, and flip-flopping positions to get elected.
      – Mitt is a professional exporter of jobs
      – Romney has magic underwear.

      Obama has work experience as President and kept this coutry from Bush's econic disaster
      – Barrack directed the capture of bin Laden
      – Obama best U.S. president reconized worldwide since Clinton

      August 18, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
      • founders1791

        Love the plagiarism, runs in the family I see, Joe Biden left the Presidential race in 1988 over exactly what you just did AND this news source had the same experience with Fareed Zachariah just 10 days ago....you just can't make this stuff up!

        August 18, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
      • Suck-Min Kim

        You are one of the most honest and objective minded critics. I, perhaps many others, deeply appreciate your sincere comments.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
  53. mmanr1918

    and where he will go to get a jobs for two millions dreamers?

    August 18, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
  54. jerrylax

    oh gosh...so obama is courting the left wing teacher unions. The surprise for him is many teachers will not vote for him, he has done a poor job and they know another four years of him will cost them big in the long run.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
  55. Jason Glugla

    Now Corporations which blackmail states ouf of paying taxes which go to things like teachers can say that they just don't have the educated workers, so they'll have to get them from China or India.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
  56. America is losing its super power

    Fund wars, not our own people's education. Chalk up another American failure on the bingo card. Obama Romney all these fools are allowing you people to fall behind, stand up against government.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
  57. Tanya Buke

    It is a sad situation. The teachers are not the bad guys but the fallout of outsourcing is now costing many of them their jobs. Once te higher paying manufacturing jobs provided taxes to pay for teachers. Now with so many people unemployed or underemployed at service and retail posistions....the tax money is anemic.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
  58. orlop

    This is no big deal. My kids school had more "staff" then teachers a few years ago. The school was filled with relatives and cronies who wanted solid permanent jobs with benefits but added no additional value to educating my children. Just small town people taking advantage of the taxpayer. Glad they were laid off.

    August 18, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  59. bob

    Whats goin on , ??????? This country where is it going , ?????

    August 18, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
  60. Albro

    AND YET EVERY TIME NEW STATISTICS COME OUT SAYING THAT AMERICAN KIDS ARE FALLING BEHIND THE REST OF THE WORLD, EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE TEACHERS METHODS!!! America looks at schools a s great place to cut spending. You're stealing from your kids' future to pay off you own problems.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Daniel

      Oh yeah! Well said Albro.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
  61. Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

    Higher education is not important to trailer trash because they sleep with their offsprings. Ask Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • George

      SO who is running the show ....for your information Romney will only do so from November of this year so who is responsible for the 300k job loss in education ? Can not believe that the Deomcrats dont get it, all the stimulis money and what happened.....Nothing, apart from the Country going south ..... Almost four years of NOTHING !!!

      August 18, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
      • TKO

        Gee, I guess Bush's war and his tax cuts which devastated schools has nothing to do with it, huh? It's clear the toll that the attack has on education has had–just read blog responses like yours!

        August 18, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  62. stevensb

    And republicans are cheering and chanting " Add a couple more zeros to that number " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    August 18, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
  63. Joe Blow

    That's the socialist public sector for you. They would rather layoff than to cut salaries, and abolish the pension and replace w/ 401k.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Phil in Oregon

      That's union rules for you. No reverse gear, the only solution to every situation is "get more!" Can't cut salaries or benny's, so districts have to make do with fewer teachers. You can only spend a buck once.

      August 18, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
      • TKO

        If you really think the issue is teacher's unions and not the wholesale war on education by the right-wing perhaps you need a bit more schooling yourself–open the newspaper and read about the manipulations of curriculum, the rewriting of textbooks, the demands to teach creationism, the elimination of classes in crticial thinking because they cause students to ask uncomfortable political and social questions. The gutting of education is willfull, and is directed and driven by teabaggers, right-wingers, and increasing numbers of GOPers. And they should be ashamed, but not surprised to see this country become the third-rate power it has.

        August 18, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
  64. Shizuoka

    Sustainable economics is what is needed. It takes 5 individuals working in the private sector to fund one public sector worker if the gov't takes 20% in various taxes from the Private Sector Job. For every new Teacher or any other public sector Job we need five new private sector jobs. The President is Great at touting the need for Teachers and he has spent Billions of Dollars doing that already. The reality sets in when the money runs out, then the extra public sector job becomes a burden on the local people to sustain. If we had the private sector hiring and growing at a good clip there would be tax dollars to pay for all the hiring he wants to do. He just doesn't have the basic understanding of the economy and is pandering for votes. give us some one who has made a payroll on a consistent basis not one who just runs to the federal well every time he wants money. You can't spend what you don't have if you do it is bankruptcy. That's where the country is headed.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • TKO

      Where on earth did you get these ridiculous figures? Private sector jobs "funding" public sector jobs? If you stop thinking backwards you might realize that the "public-sector jobs" are the reason we can even HAVE a rpivate sector–without education private industry goes straight down the tubes. It is public sector teaching the creates private sector jobs!

      Jeesh!

      August 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
      • omega99

        Where on earth did you get these ridiculous ideas? Public sector jobs "making possible" private sector jobs? If you stop thinking backwards you might realize that "private-sector jobs" are the reason we can even HAVE a pubic sector - without taxes collected from the private sector, from the voluntary transactions of wealth created by industry and the jobs it creates, government goes straight down the tubes. It is private sector taxes that creates and supports public sector jobs!

        Jeesh!

        August 18, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • TKO

      OMEGA99: Good luck hiring undereducated people for those jobs your business creates, in fact, good luck creating businesses with an undereducated populace. education drives economies, not the other way around–look at the huge economic impact of NASA back in the day (public/govgt), or silicon valley (generated through govt and military funding initially), think of the technology coming out of universities before it gets comandeered by the private sectorm in some cases.. sure, public schools need tax money, but it is myopic to only see this side of it. without that educational system in place producing an educated workforce, producing high-quality jobs, there is no tax base for anything at all.

      August 18, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  65. Ray In Phoenix

    Soooo......

    Under Obama we've lost 300,000 teaching jobs. Good thing we wasted 1 TRILLION in "stimulus". LOL Just another reason to vote this moron out in November.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      Hey idiot, the 1 trillion you mentioned was spent cleaning up the mess the GOP you voted for created. GWB and the GOP spent 5.8 trillion dollars domesticly and so far, 4.7 trillion in two unjust and misguided foreign wars. Thanks to President Obama's fiscal leadership, the Iraqi war is over and now we can reign in some of that wasteful spending. Unfortunately the Afghan war the GOP deliberately and recklessly abandoned and prolonged to invade Iraq is racheting up our national debt even more and by the end of the Afghan war, the projected total cost of both war will be 5.5 trillion dollars. So if you tabulate the figures and add the stimulus bills that were passed out of NECESSITY to stabilize the economic crisis GWB and the GOP created, GWB and the GOP are responsible for our entire national deficit of 15 trillion dollars. That should be a hanging offense. And you should be sent to the gallows too you incompetent fool.

      August 18, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
      • Ray In Phoenix

        Dude... Take of the "luv Obama" goggles, you look stupid wearing them. HAHAHAHA Face it, he's failed. You can place all the blame on whoever you want, bottom line, Obamateur has only made things worse. Think of it this way,if you can think.... A relief pitcher is brought in to get his team out of a mess. He gives up four home runs in a row. When interviews he blames the previous pitcher and team for his failures. Well, that's EXACTLY what your idiot President is doing. We put him in office, AND HANDED HIM BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS, to fix the nations problems. Over the last 4 years he has only made it worse (that's just a fact, and the reason you never hear him campaigning on his achievements). TO make it even worse, he now runs around the country blaming everyone and everything for his failures. Only the most intellectually challenged, like yourself, continue to buy the Obama BS. That's why people are not turning out for his rallies and fundraisers, and why his fundraising trails soooo far behind Romney's. HAHAHA Game over loser.

        August 18, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
    • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

      And by the way, while you're in Arizona, you should go learn to speak Spanish, show your green card or just leave becasue you're the foreigner there you incompetent illegal confederate alien.

      August 18, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
      • George

        Sill dont get it right ?

        August 18, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Nelk

      To add to that – we could afford paying billions of dollars on Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries.

      August 18, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • George

      Can not disagree with you at all ..... some people don't get it. Blamed Bush for everything and now we have an Administration that can not even manage a gala evening and they still whine

      August 18, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Kevin McClellan

      Texas got stimulis money for education and other things. Texas turned it down and laid off teachers and used lots of state money for Rick boy to show the country he is an idot. The state has yet to be able to pay the overtime for his protection.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
  66. K en connelly

    You whiners and complainers are just that. You won't tell us how Obama spent billions on companies that went Bankrupt.Especially after Bush wouldn't let them have it. Go complain to someone who cares because I don't care about what you say. Your only showing me how intellagant you are. Yick's.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • gecko brothers

      So what billions where wasted? Oh the Billions that kept the entire auto industry and 3 million jobs from going into hock. I see how bad that turned out. Oh, do you mean the 535 million at Solyndra. The same Solyndra that got that money from a DOE grant under the Departing Bush Administration(also Solyndra went out of business due to ILLEGAL price manipulation by China). Name another company from your limited understanding that has gone bankrupt. Also, why your at it try to remember the Trillions(not Billions) that Bush gave the banker buddies, and also the Pentagon private contractors that made Cheney and his buddies Trillions!

      August 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
      • garryj

        The money to the auto industry was indeed wasted, since they filed for bankruptcy anyway. Could have done that without the billions, but Obama had to make sure to buy the union vote. Also, the Solyndra deal was started under Bush, but after looking at the numbers they decided to pass. The Obama administration picked up that ball and ran with it. But of course, the contributions Solyndra management made to the Obama campaign in 2008 had nothing to do with that, right?

        August 18, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
  67. lreice

    I know that many school districts were provided stimulus money several years ago and programs were started, because of the restrictions tied to that funding. I wonder how much of the shortfall is due to the stimulus money being stopped and the programs it funded being cut.

    August 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
  68. Glenn

    Thanks to free trade and the policies of the capitalist, were still trying to catch up with the developing world in terms of what people can expect from the government. How low can we go ?

    August 18, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
  69. n8r0n

    Just what the Republicans want. Less education, so they can make a stupid electorate even more stupid. No sense having voters that understand things like science, or other subjects of the Enlightenment, which routinely invalidate social conservative dogma.

    August 18, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • George

      Guess who is running the show .... it would not have happened if the Republicans were running the Country. How much longer is it still going to take this Country, and the Democrats in particular, to understand what is going on ?

      August 18, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
      • Daniel

        Uh George, it did happen with the republicans running the country. Thank Mr. Bush for starting the implosion. In December we will decide who is best suited to slow and reverse the crumbling of America. Not with tabloid like rantings like yours. Until then how about maintaining some civility.

        August 18, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
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    August 18, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  71. Larry

    Let’s see…NEA and AFT combined membership is over 5 million – That is alot of votes! Race to the top is as big of a joke as NCLB was/is. Continue to hire ‘English as a second lanquage teachers’ and everything will be ok!

    In my state, the unions are all over class size (as being bad for the student – they say smaller class sizes are good for the students learning environment ). The funny thing is – if the number of students in a class goes over the ‘magic number’ – the teacher get more money for each ‘overage’. All of a sudden – over crowded classes aren’t so bad for the students environment!!! If you want to improve public education – outlaw the NEA and the AFT! Public school education has everything to do with employing adults – and very little to do with education.

    August 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • nea

      you are so wrong.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
  72. Super Sam

    Most of teachers are paid by local tax payer at city level.Barack wants federal tax to pay them,for how long and with string attach of course.
    This is another nice try to get more votes and campaign money from the union !

    August 18, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
  73. Melvin Painter

    How about that, the kenyan clown finally admitting that he is a failure.

    August 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Pen is mightier than sword

      If you had the right education and thinking ability, you would not be this ignorant. You are a very sorry human being.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
      • Rajinder Goyal

        Yes, the Painter is woefully ignorant. What a shame!

        August 18, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Rajinder Goyal

      Your choice of words is shameful, to say the least. Obviously, you belong to the 10-15% of the population who has been carrying on this vendetta of our Prez being a muslim, an Arab, a non-citizen, a Hitler and the list goes on and on. And the our joker R=Money says Obama is carring on a campaign of hatred. Wonderfu. The thief blaming the police officer. I hope Obama will show the NOP (the NO Party instead of GOP) the light of the day. They have a surprise coming their way. God bless America!

      August 18, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
      • Melvin Painter

        Did he not say, "his muslim religion"?

        August 18, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • Kevin McClellan

      Yes he failed to get the cons in Congress to vote for anything. They get on the air and brag how they blocked Obama and then claim he is a failure. Remember when one of the con clowns announced that health care was what they could use to limit him. Thats when Scare em Falin announced the death panels.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
  74. steve

    everyone wants quality education and we should!
    however, if there is a mention of raising property taxes to pay for it, everyone screams bloody murder!
    you can't have your cake and eat it too!

    August 18, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Super Sam

      So the fed will pay for,where does the money come from, the trees !

      August 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Melvin Painter

      So who are we trying to educate. Here in the Central Valley of California, we have some of the worst schools in the Nation all due to the illegal aliens and their anchor babies, AND social program frauds and abusers. And we also have the highest teen pregnancy, gang problems, overcrowded schools and prisons, high crime rates, murders-stabbing-driveby shootings on a daily basis, and our State-County-City is broke.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
  75. omega99

    The President, once again, is promoting a larger federal role with more spending and more control, in order to solve a problem. In education, despite years of increased spending, test results have remained flat, and we have lost ground relative to the rest of the world. Whatever the federal government invests in, soon becomes a problem. This can be seen in the department level agencies that have been formed to address specific sectors. The departments of energy, education, housing, health and human services, agriculture, labor, transportation, and commerce have expended vast sums of tax dollars, creating bubbles, creating debt, creating bureaucratic waste, fraud, and abuse, favoring special interests, and weakening the economy. As a result we have run out of money and run out of options.

    Education is basically a parental responsibility; a part of child-rearing. The less the government (especially at the federal level) has to do with it, the better. The federal government (aside from the uniformed armed services which employ a system of forced ranking) has proven itself to be incompetent and corruptible. That is the 300 lb gorilla in the room that most are unwilling to acknowledge.

    August 18, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • David A

      Omeg.. Im too busy paying bills to also properly educate the kids.. Who taught you to read and write? Your parents? your position stinks..part of schooling is "socialization". You dont get that keeping kids at home..every great nation has good public schooling. get over your selfishness

      August 18, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
      • omega99

        Thanks for your nasty reply. Apparently you're too busy to educate yourself - as well as your kids. With parents like you - it is no wonder that the federal government has felt the need to step in to be our "nanny".

        August 18, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • Durrrr

      Omega99, you have a short memory.
      " In education, despite years of increased spending, test results have remained flat, and we have lost ground relative to the rest of the world. "

      Are you serious? Are you stupid? We have had numerous massive cuts to education over the years. Most recently... bear with me here... I hope this jogs your memory.

      "In his fiscal budget for the federal 2006-2007 year that commences on October 1, 2006, President Bush proposes to end 42 US Department of Education programs and significantly reduce spending for four other Education programs, for total budget cuts of $4.279 billion.

      The Bush-proposed education budget cuts for 2006-2007 affect all public schools and students, but the brunt is borne by disabled and economically disadvantaged students; teachers of math, science, foreign languages and bilingual education and who have outstanding student loans; and especially (and curiously) in the teaching of American History and Civics. "

      August 18, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
      • omega99

        Hey don't take my word for it - check out the facts. Here's a link to a graph on federal educational spending:
        cato-at-liberty .org/president-obama-and-education-politics-as-usual/
        I don't know what the Bush proposals have to do with anything - he's gone. Government intervention is counter-productive.

        August 18, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  76. George

    Sounds like Obama is worried he will lose so he is trying all phoney tactics.

    August 18, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • David A

      No..he is still busy cleaning up the Bush desasters

      August 18, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
      • Dave is ?

        Really? still using that pathetic excuse? anything bad is Bush's fault?

        August 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
      • George

        HA HA HA, That is why people like you should not vote, lower the standard of eductaion and then the Democrats have a chance of staying in power ...... as simple as that. It is called Socialism

        August 18, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
  77. Les Wong

    Obama had 4 years to fix this problem. How come he only wants to fix it now?! And of course, Obama's union operatives like the AFoT and NEA dictate self-serving policiies, like, huge unaffordable pensions, not being able to get rid of unqualified and inefficient teachers. Basically, Obama, the AFoT and NEA are chosen by the people; so the people get what they deserve

    August 18, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • An Observer

      Did you say that Obama should fix in four years what you republicans destroyed in the previous eight years along with the financial disaster you boobs also created? You really are stupid!

      August 18, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
  78. glorydays

    The GOP wants to stifle education so they can fill their fighting ranks with the kids of other folks.

    August 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Well, when it comes to real fighting, not to many liberals step forward. The only step forward in the welfare line.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
      • tkazlady

        Only a fool would think that liberals don't serve in the military. Since I and every single member of my family have and not 1 of us is in any program to receive funds...that would make you a fool I believe.

        August 18, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • David A

      Bingo!

      August 18, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
  79. chris

    This is getting old and I'm glad more people are seeing through it. THE PUBLIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN BEHIND TEACHERS, KIDS AND CLASSROOMS, and saying any different is part of the "you don't care about kids" campaign to get us to pay more for what is your problem..an overly bloated education system that saps up the dollars long before any of it reaches the boots on the ground teachers who need it most. I use to buy into this sypathetic request for financial help, baked cupcakes, worked in the PTA but then I discovered in St. Louis that the public school system and the archdiocese of St. Louis both had about the same number of students, yet the public school system had 552 management positions and the archdiocese operating the same number of kids did it with only 12 management positions. This clearly shows where the money is going. Why are the teachers who care so much for kids not out protesting on the stairs of their union offices about this? Why aren't the teachers telling kids to stop protesting these pleas for public help when it is their own system that is keeping their pay low and thier system bloated. No company in the world couls succeed with that much fat. It is time to stop blaming us and time to fix your own system. Teachers should revolt or be ashamed of sending kids out on the streets to tell us we don't care about them.

    August 18, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • cog in the wheel

      Based on the the teachers I personally know who have lost their jobs, the basic facts of this article are true–teachers have been laid off by the thousands, and class sizes have grown. Those layoffs are undeniably the result of funding cuts demanded by the GOP and tea party advocates.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
      • chris

        America will cut more from this system as more people realize how bloated it is. The parents in St. Louis are already infuriated, and see clearly now..wait till more city school systems write more articles illustrating where the problem is. Saying the public doesn't care is not working any longer.

        August 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  80. bam

    exactly what mittens and the gNOp want...
    Teachers, Policemen, firemen are unamerican and be fired.
    dumb down the kids so foxfax stick

    August 18, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Well, for one, you know you are dumb.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
      • Arlington

        Actually, He has a valid point. All across the country, city and local government have had less resources and have been laying off or firing, first responders and teachers. This, at a time when corporate revenues have been soaring. Everybody wants to complain that their taxes are too high. These are the same folks that want the hole in their street fixed tomorrow. We are still funding 2 wars, and fighting wars on Terror and Drugs, and still gotta keep those illegals out. AND ITS ALL OBAMA'S Fault...How sad we have become ... 😦

        August 18, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
      • An Observer

        That may be but most of are not as dumb as you!

        August 18, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • g

      jobs are being cut because obama holds the economy down

      August 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
      • An Observer

        It isn't Obama who is holding jobs down, it is the do nothing republicans in Congress.

        August 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • JB

      You are right, if you haven't heard the repub's in KN think that Darwin made up evolution.
      They like their voters uneducated

      August 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  81. chris

    Get us out of Afghanistan like you promised in 2008 Mr. President and you would have billions for education.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Happyinsa

      Thanks Chris. Right on, he was elected by independents (also patriots) who knew the futility of sending 100,000 Americans to that hell hole for a decade. Obama told us he'd get us out of that fiasco, and hasn't. None of this voting bloc will vote for him again. What a waste of lives and treasure.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
      • An Observer

        I'll bet you are a Bush supporter.

        August 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • cog in the wheel

      Actually, Obama did get us out of Iraq (that GOP-inspired fiasco) and has a clear timetable for getting us out of Afghanistan. Whether or not you personally supported EITHER of these wars (I didn't) it's clear the US population did support both invasions–so there is plenty of blame to be placed on many shoulders. I'd like all US military out of Afghan tomorrow, too, but I also trust Obama and his military advisers to make better decisions than the GOP team that got us into both of these fiascos in the first place...

      August 18, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
  82. LouAZ

    Everyone knows the real purpose of Public Schools is to provide training for certain students moving to the NCAA College Football and Basketball System and then for even fewer students to "graduate into the NFL and the NBA.
    What is all this silly talk about education ? Get rid of all teachers/schools. Only Sports Coaches and Assistants and Athletic Facilities are required. Well, maybe a week of arithmetic to teach different numbers on the jerseys. Get real America ! Remember, the Gipper knew what was important. YEA Team !

    August 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  83. Phillip Lau

    Any person in the educational system that gets paid over 120K/year should really look at what he is producing. I find that sports, especially coaches maybe overpaid. We put to much emphasis on producing athletics,

    August 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Bonny Fugett

      Being a recently retired teacher, I never knew of anyone receiving that much in salary. I could rant and rave about how much teachers work outside the classroom, but I doubt too many would believe this truth. Never have I seen my profession in the situation it is now in.$120,000 a year? Most don't even make half that.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
      • linda

        Try WI. They pay journeyman teachers with benefits at least 105K per year. For 9 months in lower cost Wisconsin, get real...

        August 18, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
      • orlop

        The elementary school in my town just promoted a former teacher to the post of librarian at $78,000 per year. ( that is a school year, 180 days of work )

        August 18, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • What?

      This society has created an evil beyond repair, we pay athletes millions of dollars to entertain us, on the field in the sports arena and on the streets, beating each other up and head butting their wives, etc. etc. etc. and we can't pay a decent wage for a teacher who is going to enable your child to become great at their own individual gift? America – GOD help us!

      August 18, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  84. Eric the voice of reason

    Most teachers by far are not "overpaid" for a 4 year degree and some/many states require master's degrees. Yea, if you are on welfare or work retail; etc, it seems like they make a lot, but to those of us with decent college degrees, teachers do not make much. My wife teaches math and works 252 days per year. 180 weekdays plus every Saturday and Sunday during the school year = + 72 = 252. How many of you work 252 days per year for $50-55k with 15+ years of experience? And we live in a top 10 paying state, the bottom 10-20 states pay WAY less (yet some have decent test scores due to low divorce rates, which is the #1 key to success). And I'm not even counting all of the "long holidays" in which she spends catching up on grading and planning way ahead. We have no life during the school year. Seeing there are shortages of math and science teachers, apparently they are not "overpaid" enough to cause an oversupply. One could argue, especially in well paying areas, that the 1st grade teacher perhaps should not make as much as the math or physics teachers who have to grade homework and tests every night though...

    August 18, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Fozzyspeak

      You are just as bad as the people you are disagreeing with. Making statements like this "Yea, if you are on welfare or work retail; etc, it seems like they make a lot, but to those of us with decent college degrees, teachers do not make much."

      August 18, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • sockigal

      I worked as a preschool teacher and regular elementary teacher. Teachers, regardless of grade level, work at home. Preschool actually had the biggest work load of any grade I taught and I was only paid roughly $12,000 a year? Prepping, buying materials, making daily lesson plans for all subjects, ect... requires so much extra work. I don't think it matters what grade you teach, compensation is low for the amount of work involved.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • orlop

      Teaching degrees are easy to get. Try getting an engineering degree.....those who can, do....those who can't, teach.

      August 18, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
      • David Wilson

        I have done both, taught and worked as an engineer. I *can* and can also tell you that teaching was the harder job and the only reward was in helping the student. People need to quit blaming teaching in such silly sayings for their own failures as students.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  85. jeb

    The most misleading part of all statistics is that on the whole, the majority of schools outside the big cities and outside the deep red South are doing good, but things are getting worse.

    "doing well" there I fixed it for you.

    The problem is the politicians are to busy selling their souls to big business and not enough time actually working to solve things like this

    "too busy" there, I fixed it for you.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
  86. blahblahblah

    what country is this? those signs aren't even in English

    August 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
  87. David

    Time to evict the muslim, and install the Morman.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • Greg

      Ahhh, David. Racism, just what this blog needed. Thanks for your input.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • An Observer

      And time to evict racists like you!

      August 18, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
  88. mafiaUnions

    The only people who should receive state pension are the ones who literally risk their lives. Military, police and firefighters are the only ones, in my opinion, in that category. Teachers should take care of their retirement like any other American. Savings, 401k. If unions can afford to pay them pension, good for them, but ask me to support your retirement.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • Greg

      Do you understand that teaching is a teacher's full time job? Additionally, a teacher's pension is no different than a standard 401k? Most teachers have paycheck deductions that go into their pension (just like a 401k in a private company).

      August 18, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Really? First of all, that "full time job" happens over 8 months. And, no 401k is not the same. Is not a guarantee pension. You invest the money and technically speaking, can lose them very well. I want so say I am surprised you don't know the difference, but then again, you went through a public school, so I'll give you a pass.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
      • e

        They work more like 10 months, and most teachers are working about 12 hours a day. Many also work summer school.

        If you think teaching is so easy and pays so well, please GO TRY IT. You go do the work and then tell everyone how easy it is to deal with 35 kids all day, half of which have stayed up half the night playing video games, then have your performance review based on the testing skills of those same children. Work into the night on grading and lesson plans, and then deal with the politics of the numerous administrators who stab you in the back on a daily basis while parents blame YOU for their kids failing even though the parents never make their kids do homework. All of you people who think teaching is just sitting back and relaxing while raking in the big bucks should go try teaching some middle schoolers for a week. You would run screaming.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • beforus

      Well it looks like you yourself are not too bright. Teachers are the backbone of this country but you sound like one of those idiots that thinks they are overpaid. Too bad you are just that dumb.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        I agree that the teachers should be the backbone, but the mediocrity is the name of the game now. And your dumb rant proves it.

        August 18, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • really

      Really? First of all, that "full time job" happens over 8 months. And, no 401k is not the same. Is not a guarantee pension. You invest the money and technically speaking, can lose them very well. I want so say I am surprised you don't know the difference, but then again, you went through a public school, so I'll give you a pass.

      first of all, you have no clue about the teaching profession. that 8 months job means your pay is ONLY for 8 months. you could get your paycheck spread over 12 but use your math and see how much lower your monthly income is.

      second, in order to grow your 401K, you need to invest in it. if your salary is low in the first place, how much should teachers invest? lets say the state matches 3%. if teachers make 30K, that's 1800. now let's see if someone makes 60K with same match, that's 3600. hmmm, so you're asking teachers to save at a higher rate? now, if you're not asking them to do so, then what you're saying is that not only are they going to have a low income while they're working but when they retire, they're going to live with a low retirement income because they can't put more away in savings.

      next, as someone else mentioned, a lot of states requires a master's degree which means at least 1 more year of college on top of the cost of college now. if you are a current college student wanting to be a teacher and you go in-state and pay 20K a year for 5 years, let's see if loans account for 50%, that means' not only do you have to "save" for retirement, but you've got a 50K hole to dig out at the salary you don't think is bad.

      now you mention 8 months. do you really think that teachers sit around during the summer not doing anything? states require teachers to take courses and maintain certifications or whatever which is usually done in the summer. on top of that, teachers have to pay for that themselves.

      we haven't talked about teachers being babysitters.

      now, i agree, the school system is bloated and there's waste, but the school board is RUN by the STATE. yes with federal money. so on one hand we want a smaller federal government and more power to the states but with education, its don't give the state the money, just give it to the people who get to spend it on private schools which makes profit off teaching so that they can lobby politicians to keep federal money flowing to them. it doesn't mean education is better. just means that the money goes somewhere else.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • An Observer

      You must be on welfare since your job does not provide you a pension.

      August 18, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  89. jo

    Time to cut wages and 'share the wealth'. Are your fellow Union teachers willing to take a cut in pay so you can keep your job and children can be properly educated? Bet not. That's how loyal our educators are. What good does a 200,00 dollar superintendent do? Cut the pay in half and you have 2 more teachers. And so it will go. Unions have priced the American worker out of the job market. Did it to auto workers now teachers.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • Greg

      Do you really think it's the profession that requires a 4-year degree and a perpetual licensing process that still has a starting wage of $35,000/year (on average) that has been getting more than their share? Is that really the argument you're making? The person in charge of both the welfare and education of your child (as well as 24 other children) 180ish days a year is making TOO much @ 35k? Really? That's really you're argument? It is not enough to say that "Unions have priced the American worker out of the market place", without explaining what exactly you mean by that. How has 35k/year made teachers too expensive for a public school model to work? Explain that to me and stop using talking points. Also, understand that a school district super interdependent is tantamount to a CEO of a corporation with (in some cases) over 1,000 employees. Find me a CEO in the private sector who oversees that large of an organization and makes under $200k. Your argument is, when held to any degree of critical analysis, laughable. ...and I learned that capacity for critical decision making in a public school.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Yes for the starting salary, but the average is in near $50,000 after that and that not including benefits. Not bad for 8 month/year work.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
      • g

        superintendents in counties with 2 schools make over 200k. thats the problem,

        August 18, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Greg

      oh, and the "share the wealth" part was particularly hilarious. Can't we all picture those fat cat social studies teachers rolling down the street in their Bentley's, pulling up to their private clubs sippin' Cognac. I can't even count the number of teacher's I've seen on MTV's cribbs. Livin' large my friend.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Tuan Nguyen

      Should pay at least $50K for any teacher having BS degree, $65K for MS degree, and $90K for higher degree.

      August 18, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
  90. lardoggy

    I find it odd that the libs love to take money for themselfs over the kids they try to teach,seems it would add up better if they took from the GSA who like to party and give to our young people who need to learn.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • linda

      Since when is educating the people in our country a liberal thing? This name calling is getting annoying.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
      • Arlington

        If educating our kids is a liberal thing, label me a liberal...I think Science is kool !!!

        August 18, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
      • An Observer

        Linda, what do you expect when you deal with stupid people?

        August 18, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
      • David Wilson

        The problem is that the far right believes "truth" is liberal. this is why they consider college professors and news media liberal.

        August 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Greg

      So, should education be a volunteer thing? Is that your plan?

      August 18, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • e

      Republicans do not have children in public schools? HA HA HA HA HA

      August 18, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
  91. mafiaUnions

    There is an easy fix for the public school issue. Get rid of unions. The results are deplorable, as every other business ran by unions. Taxpayers don't need to support the teacher retirement benefits. Let unions pay for that. Nobody pays for my retirement, so it should not be different for teachers.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • David

      If you were smart enough to get a good job with a union, you might have a pension. Too bad you fool.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
      • joe

        Your pension is the reason cities are going broke. You hardly put any money in but you want all this pension money out. Where do you think the money comes from? And when your pension goes broke what will you have? You just don't get it. You think there is a magic money tree. Knucklehead.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
      • An Observer

        Joe, I worked for a private company and I receive a pension from the company. Where did you work, or do you work? Maybe you worked for someone like Mitt the Twit who screws his workers like he wants to screw the middle class.

        August 18, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • jon

      Anyone that has a name like yours has a personal agenda against unions and therefore makes you look pathetic. You have lost all credibility with your opinion and shows you have no open mind about how to deal with current issues in our society.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        So what's wrong with living within your means? Why do you have to look for a handout? Take care of your own retirement like most Americans do.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
      • Arlington

        If it were not for Unions, factory workers, fruit pickers, telecommunication workers and many others would still be working for pennies on the dollar. Many employers would provide no benefits or decent wages if the workers had not been able to work together.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Might be a fool, but let the unions pay their members pensions. I think that's fair. You liberals love to talk about "fair".

      August 18, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
      • jon

        Let's take a teacher's salary at $40,000 and then deduct everything that necessary. Make the teacher pay for their own retirement, 401k, deductions for social security, health insurance, deductions for medicare, and don't forget the college loans they need to pay back because they specifically wanted to be a teacher. After taxes this teacher isn't making much at all, 12-15 bucks an hour? There is no incentive to be a teacher if your making that kind of money and then what are you going to do? Hire teachers off the street for minimum wage because it's not worth it to go to college to be a teacher because it doesn't pay enough? Either the teacher be paid enough and hour to cover the benefits, or the benefits are included with the job with a lower pay . There is no difference in the price to the taxpayer.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
      • An Observer

        You are just jealous because your Tea Party buddies did not provide you with a pension!

        August 18, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Terry

      The real issue is money but our elected officials have promised so many special interest groups money via "earmarks" there is not much left for real issues like this. Here is 1 example of an earmark, USC recieved $12 million dollars to study the way south africans wash their genitillia, outrageous dont you think? Our tax dollars at work. The congressman who sponsored that needs to be thrown out of office. Earmarks are the real problem, they sap away money needed for real issues here in our country

      August 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
      • linda

        Yes, we give subsidies to oil and gas companies who are making billion dollar profits while taking away jobs to people like teachers who make what less that $50,000/year. But we Americans are about to vote the liars (Congressmen) right back into their 6 figure salary. When will we ever us our votes to make a difference?

        August 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • JohnReedjr

      The way to improve education is to require parents to be involved, reduce the effects of poverty on students, and do away with fake standardized testing. The teachers union has little effect on the poor outcomes, contrary to your right wing rote talking points.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • TKO

      You have no idea what you are talking about. Until you teach in an overcrowded class for the duration of a single year, you have no right to speak they way you do.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  92. Guido

    Think for a moment, of course, schools that are non-public schools have smaller classroom ratios. And those are the ones that use the most money, to pay profits to some "job creator", Let's just end public education and see what the private schools do to educate the masses.

    The most misleading part of all statistics is that on the whole, the majority of schools outside the big cities and outside the deep red South are doing good, but things are getting worse.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • mafiaUnions

      Government pays some $10,000 per student in the public middle school. Pretty much the coat of a private school tuition. Maybe you should do some thinking.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
      • David

        Florida pays between $2,500 to $2,800 per student, private schoold charge between $15,000 to $20,000 per student.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Where I live, is around $11,000 for a private high school.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
      • JohnReedjr

        Private schools are upwards of 15000 to 20000 per years, ones that provide good education. The best are boarding schools that cost 45000 plus per year. The best schools have a student teacher ratio of about 7 -1. That's why they are better.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
  93. bobby readwrite

    The problem is the politicians are to busy selling their souls to big business and not enough time actually working to solve things like this. The children get the best education that their corrupt parents can buy so the hell with the american
    peoples children.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Bob Kebic

      And where is THAT BUSINESS? The environment created by those politicians was so friendly they all fled to China, India, Mexico...

      August 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  94. Reform Now!

    Have you ever seen how many layers of bureaucracy exist in the public school system? When I am paying taxes to educate my kids, why am I paying for so many other people who never step into a classroom? Why is the superintendent paid so much more than the teachers who actually change lives?! The problem is beyond the political parties. Both Republicans and Democrats pander to the teachers unions which in turn support a broken system. In my own school district we lost young, talented, and enthusiastic teachers, only to add more middle management-type positions. The problem is with the system itself.

    August 18, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • David

      I live in Florida and there are good private schools, the problem they cost $18,000 to $20,000 tuition a year.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
      • In FL

        I have two kids in private school in FL. One in a secular 5-12 at 10,000/yr and one in a religious-affliated 9-12 at their top annual cost of $9800/yr – both offer those with financial need tuition assistance. At the first school, most students receive state aid and attend for very little tuition. At the second, income-based tuition means at least 15% of the students are attending for $2500/yr. Both schools have struggled to keep teachers on staff due to low salary, but each year manage to keep their high-quality up with a mix of loyal, older staffers and young, passionate looking to add to their resume newbies. So, no, not all private schools are $15-20,000/yr. Many people never seem to take the critical step of actually researching and *speaking* to the private schools in their communities. I know this because when I talk with parents at community events, there's always a handful that ask about the schools my kids attend and they are invariably shocked that the schools are so affordable.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • dano

      And guess what, Superintendents and principals don't even have unions. All this anti-union rhetoric misses this point completely. If unions are so bad, why are they so much more efficient than the administrations greedy methods who operate without a union?

      August 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
      • jerrylax

        you are goofy...

        August 18, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • bestclasseverintheworld

      @Reform Now: I agree with you 100%...you can thank the worthless No Child Left Behind for top-heavy bureaucracy in schools. Because of this "wonderful" No Child Left Behind Act, it requires several (higher-paid) positions that only make sure teachers are teaching to the standards set by people (George Bush, et al) who haven't taught a DAY in a classroom. The creators of NCLB and all this education "reform" garbage hasn't taught a DAY in a classroom to kno what they're talking about. Our education system is indeed broken. NCLB is the determining factor for a "good school", yet it shouldn't be. A good school, a la NCLB is a school that has students who read and regurgitate or is told what to think, not a school of students who think independently or read and understand the material. I think NCLB is largely to blame for teacher shortages, layoffs, and district budget woes (it costs a lot of money to reach NCLB benchmarks).

      August 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • linda

      That's not a union problem. That's a problem you and your community created. If you don't like it, get rid of middle management and make sure your children get more ot the money. Businesses do that all the time. Don't blame government for your lack of interest and action in your school community. .

      August 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
      • An Observer

        Right on!

        August 18, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Bob Kebic

      It's simple racket! It used to be illegal when Mafia ran it but now when TEACHERS UNION took over it's legal again. They collect dues to be given to politicians who in turn allows that broken system to flourish by giving freebies back to be paid by us and the vicious circle became permanent.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • someGuy

      I apologize if your child's school isnt like this but when I hear 'religious affiliated private school' I question the quality of the education, specifically in regards to science.

      August 18, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
  95. Charlie from the North

    There is a concerted effort by the Tea Party/GOP governors to destroy public education. It is happening in Maine

    August 18, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • David

      Republicans want to destroy everything public. What I do not understand is why the unwavering support for the military, the largest government agency in the world.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
      • Ray

        Without the military they can't start wars of conquest and then run as "War Presidents" starting bogus wars to win an election. By the way the military-industrial complex is perhaps the most inefficient concern going. I know, I have worked in it.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
      • Jim

        Think about the gazillion businesses who make products, provide services, ship and deliver stuff–not just the military stuff but all the other things military people need and us. Most of those have made billions over time doing what they do. So.. supporting the wealthy (which these business folks are) is the Republican agenda to
        the point of giving them tax cuts. It's not so hard to understand when you look behind the scenes and ask the
        question you have.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
  96. tommyboy

    Just think of all that money you WASTED BY GIVING IT FREE TO BANKRUPT SOLYNDRA that you could have spent on this, you IDIOT OBAMA>.......

    August 18, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • David

      Did you forget about the billions given to Exxon-Mobil, and they still gouge us at the pump.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • Ray

      How about the BILLIONS given to Halliburton in no-bid contracts. We only had to lose over 4000 American soldiers lives to make sure they got rich especially President Cheney.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
      • David

        The real waste is the $600,000 we spend on each soldier/police officer we are training in a wasted country, so that the person we trained can kill our soldiers.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
  97. mafiaUnions

    Yet unions didn't blink twice when they spent 4.4 billion in the last four years to help Obama and his liberal buddies advance their socialist point of views. Now they want money from taxpayers?

    August 18, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • David

      Romney said "corporations are people" the truth is unions are people, they have rights such as to contribute to COPE or not and can vote officials they do not agree with, out of office, try that as a stockholder in a corporation. If you compare what Unions spend on campaigns to corporations and organizations that represent corporations, unions spend less than one dollar to a thousand dollars.

      August 18, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        The problem is that they are payed by taxpayers, so essentially taxpayers found Obama and liberals campaigns? You (as a liberal) might find it just fine, but is not.

        August 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
      • Donnie

        Mr mafiaUnions ,which one is the best.Elected officials funded with tax payer's money, from unions,which are people that pay taxes.So that they provide Good jobs, Healthcare, Better education,Security, Good Roads, and more.As to Elected Officials funded by corporations, for more tax cut and more profit.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:59 am |
    • Guido

      Do you have any idea what socialism is, or do you just regurgitate the same stuff that comes out the other end of your your body.

      August 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
      • mafiaUnions

        Yes. Do you? Or you swallow anything your great leader tells you?

        August 18, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
  98. Edward Knapton

    I am not sure money or politics is going to solve the education problem in our society. Perhaps I am wrong but the real issue is how do we get students to appreciate and seek out education. It really comes down to each and everyone in the US taking individual responsibility for our children's education. Weather we pay the money to the federal government or the state or local governments it is still our money. Unfortunately I have no easy solution for making sure each and every parent in the US assists in the education of their children. What do we do as citizens if our fellow citizens don't care about the education of their children? Do we always have to look to government to solve the problem? Can't concerned citizens in each local community solve the problem better and in a less expensive manner?

    August 18, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Kelly W.

      I am one of many public school teachers in my family and can safely say all of us agree with you, Edward. Apathy, inefficiency, and inconsistency are the biggest blights on education. There are no easy fixes to any of these issues but I'll keep doing my best every single day because I care about the futures of my students and my country.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:16 am |
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