By Jamie Gumbrecht, CNN
(CNN) - It's not the first time this has happened: Students return to school after a few weeks off, and a few things have changed. Maybe the gym floor got a shine, the new physics teacher arrived - or there's an adult with a gun.
As students across the country returned to school this week, some schools implemented new security policies or brought in new personnel. Some are temporary or pilot programs. Others are refreshes of existing plans and training.
In Utah and Texas, some educators trained in shooting or self-defense. Arizona's Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio put a "posse" of armed volunteers around school perimeters. The National Rifle Association said all schools should immediately have armed officers, later adding that schools should decide for themselves how to protect children.
It's all in reaction to the December 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where 20 children and six staffers were killed.
“This is Columbine déjà vu,” said Kenneth Trump, a school security consultant who works with school districts across the country. For weeks he's been hearing from schools that want to review emergency plans, train staff or invest in technology they hope will increase security.
"I’m happy to see these conversations happening now," Trump said. "I’m frustrated you couldn’t pay someone to have those conversations the day before Sandy Hook."
A lot has changed for Sandy Hook students. They returned to school last week in a different building in a different town. The school was outfitted with familiar rugs and furniture - even the school's pet turtle made the move.
In his State of the State address on Wednesday, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy emotionally rejected the idea of guns in schools, whether teachers carrying weapons or guards outside every classroom.
But Sandy Hook students did return to a school with more cameras, more locks and an obvious police presence nearby.
"I think, right now, it has to be the safest school in America," Monroe Police Lt. Keith White said on the students' first day back.
"Right now" is the timeline security pros struggle with. Trump expects schools to keep calling until budget decisions and new crises draw their attention.
"There’s a buzz at the local level," Trump said. "The question is always going to be sustainability, a dollar cost and time cost. Are you willing to do those things?"
Next week, Schools of Thought will consider five perspectives on how to make schools safer, but for now, here are some security shifts we've heard of across the country.
Starting this fall, all incoming freshman at San Diego State University will undergo "active shooter" training, where students learn how to respond, fight back or set up barricades between themselves and a shooter. Other universities have used the training, too.
In Marlboro Township, New Jersey, the mayor shifted police officers to each school for at least 90 days, until they've done a full security assessment. The officers will be paid from the Board of Education's budget.
In San Antonio, the owner of a self-defense and fitness studio began to offer free self-defense classes to anybody who works for a school, CNN affiliate KENS reported.
It's not yet in place, but Arizona's attorney general proposed a plan to arm principals or another designated person. Budgets are too tight for armed school resources officers on most campuses, Attorney General Tom Horne said.
The Utah Shooting Sports Council is stepping up courses that offer free firearms training to teachers.
What changes have you noticed in your school's security policies, training or staffing? Do you like the changes or not? Share your perspective in the comments.
Isnt America great? Look how far we have come! Yeah USA!
Obama Bin Biden could not even organize Chicago, and they want to make decisions that affect others? lol
YOu sir are an idiot
I know it is buring you inside. But like it or not, Obama is the president. Get use to it!
Our school usually keeps all of the classroom doors locked almost all of the time. It feels the same because we usually keep the doors closed anyways.
At the rate Obama is selling guns, everyone will have to be armed. And that is not counting Obama's illegal weapon transfers. lol
Evaluation of a person with mental issues before issuing guns to anyone. I have heard that students know when a person has mental issues in these schools and they have been reported and the administration just ignore the reports. My Granddaughter also reported one of the students in her neighborhood and school that they KNOW one day this boy will eventually kill someone in their school. All the students know this boy has issues, but again the administration ignores the complaints from parents and students.
If the idea is to protect kids, you would use the same security methods used by everyone from the President to state and federal buildings. Unfortunately the children are not the concern, but using a tragedy to enable a dictator is.
there ought to be a law against people telling other people to go defenseless for their own safety.
Then you should be arrested for interfering with someone's right to free speech.
This looks like a "vote of no confidence" in the government ever passing strict gun control. If only they spent part of the money (even just a tiny fraction) used to fund these drills on in-school mental health care, counseling, and anti-bullying measures, we could get some more well-adjusted kids in the first place. After all, schools are responsible for the welfare of our kids, whether academically, physically, or mentally.
WRONG, you are responsable for your kids. Schools are for education, not teaching your kids to be a decent human being. Teach your own kids!! That's one of the problems today, you people think its someone else's responsibly to teach your kids.
You are correct. Throwing money at every perceived problem will not solve the problem. Parents need to take responsibility for teaching their children ethics, how to behave in school, how to socialize with other kids and adults.
Right and wrong. Parental/Custodial Guidence is always the first line of defense. BUT it is only part of the equasion. All peolple are products of their environment, and half of that environment is their school. Whether you think it should be or not, schools are as much a social sphere as they are an acadaemic one. No person (child or otherwise) lives in a vacuum and you would be remiss if you didnt think that disturbed students cant be riled up or set off by the people they spend half of their lives with. When your (or anyone') kid is in that school, their well being IS the priority of the staff of that school. If that includes helping them mentally or socially then that absolutely should be a goal.
well said jr, bout time someone said it. Thats the problem in this country we dont look to hold people accountable or responsible for their decisions or actions. Especially politcians, we think the problem isnt us, that it isnt simply society, or the severe interference of government in every facet of our lives. Government is so involved in our lives because they offer short sighted short term solutions to make you feel better, and so long as they get your votes and it makes them look good in this short-term memory society then thats all the matters. These people calling for more restrictions on guns do not get it, it is our society, our culture, a government that killed children with predator drones in foreign countries yet calls what happens here worse then what they do. WAKE UP! Stop trying to create a utopia, because the more you try to think you can create some perfect world, the more you are placing yourself in a far worse situation down t he road.
Well, here's a way to think about it. Ask yourself if you walk your kids to school, stand at the back of the classroom watching them all day, then walk them back home. No? Then that's about half the day he spent away from you. If you think that children will be comfortable approaching their parents about bullying or mental health problems (especially if your kid is the one bullying), think again. You need the school to monitor your kids so that they can make sure you know what's going on in their lives. I can't imagine a single instance where a responsible parent wouldn't want to know if their child was involved in any social problems or mental issues. I apologize if my statement made you think I suggested letting schools raise our kids. I just think that if the school doesn't let parents know about issues in their children's lives, the ability of parents to raise their kids will be so much more inadequate. Think about those kids who joined gangs or committed suicide due to social or mental issues, then think about how far their parents would have gone to stop it if they were given the appropriate information soon enough.
I agree that it is the parents job to do this but unfortunately the parents of today grew up in the politically correct BS that makes it so that nobody can lose because of self esteem. I remember hearing of principals who do not allow tag to be played due to the stigma of being "it", or at some game everyone gets a trophy just for showing up. There are no consequences for misbehavior anymore and especially in the case of the younger people they are not allowed to lose because it will hurt their feelings then when they grow up and find out the world does not care about hurting their feelings they lash out violently.
This country needs a revolution and the people who need to die are the ones with the guns...bummer
"the people who need to die."..... let's just stop you there. I'm assuming you don't own a gun, and we are grateful for that. However, your statement is all the argument I need to justify why we should retain our right to arm ourselves if, God forbid, somebody like you gets their hands on one.
I was thinking the same thing... one more reason to own a gun, to protect yourself from the violent anti-gun nuts...
The same dumb conservatives who tell you no amount of gun laws will help ALSO told you their "war on terror" would keep America safe, right AFTER the guy THEY elected stood around reading a kids book while one of the worst attacks in our history happened. They tell you their big war on drugs is making progress, even as we watch that bottomless bole consume our tax dollars by the billions. They tell you laws against abortion will stop that, right after telling you that more laws and regulation kills jobs. They tell you g a y people will destroy marriage as we know it, even as they admit that seeing gay people get married doesn't affect their household at all. They tell you PRAYER saves and heals people. LMAO nonsense. They tell you they love and follow Jesus, who never lifted a sword against ANYONE, as they embrace every tool for killing ever made.
Conservatives, be they the Crazy Taliban kind or the crazy Christian Taliban kind, are easily the dumbest animals on Earth. Or maybe not, because what does that say about a country that keeps ELECTING them to public office?
Please, first read the words of our founding fathers when they gave us the right to "bear arms". Then review the fact that the founding fathers did NOT limit that to sabers, bows and arrows, muzzle loaders and pistols. That's right at the time of the founding and even until the civil war (which was faught over the taxes imposed on teh south for cotton sales and no other reason) any person could have ANY weapon of any kind made and owen and use them.
Remember the INTENT is not stated as to protect our family and property, that was always a given no matter what in the US. The intent was to protect us from ANY overbearing government. Governments are much more dangerous than a single shooter. You can read history and prove that easily. We must be able to protect ourselves from our OWN government in order to meet the cause of the right to bear arms.
If our government makes us all register all weapons and takes the right to own...lets say only single shot weapons.....then the government will have all it needs to abuse us, the people who are the true government. SO, if you want to take away the right to bear arms, or limit such to a minimalistic level, then I suggest that you at the same time REMOVE THE RIGHT OF ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, OFFICE or AGENCY to own or use any weapon that WE can not have, own or use.
Please, before you show your youth or lack of understanding about a subject, please read the basis of it. Understand it as it relates to our history, world history and especially the history of fascist and communist nations. And now the US is trying to become just that, but can not determine which it wants to be.
I pray that it is not you or your loeved ones that a cop shoots with impunity as happens in teh US reguarly. I hope it is not your door kicked in when an officer is trying to arrest a neighbor and shoots you instead. I hope that you read well and understand because this is much more serious than your comments.
In South Florida, almost all middle and high schools have police officers, and it's been that way for decades. Guess, what? We don't have mass shooting in our schools, and the police are there to deal with other problems in schools too. Why don't you other states get with the program? Oh, because the NRA suggested it! Must be bad then, right?
columbine had armed security guards who actually tried to fight back. to no avail.
also, standing off with a police m9 versus an m4. there's just no contest.
Don't tell me that there is NO contest. In close quarters, that is under 25 yards there is no real difference. I in truly close quarters the pistol is actually much better as it can be brought to bear much easier.
Tell me which school had shots fired more than 25 yards? Hell indoors in a shool? I have never seen one with a hallway much longer than that, or a cafeteria etc.
I suggest that we change everything. Mandate ALL teachers to be trained in arms and martial arts, period, mandate them to carry at all times. Have a ten cent fine if found wihtout thier guns. The difference is that every idiot KNOWS where the "gun free zones" are. That makes those zones a killing field for any insane person. Remove the gun free zone, require carrying there by everyone and allow concealed carry under permit by anyone. Then we no longer have a killing field.
Ask any country that removed the right to carry and bear arms. These killings STARTED after those regulations. One can NO pass any law that makes a person sane, nor can they assure that one will not become a criminal. Instead we can all be made criminals for wanting to protect ourselve and families instead of waiting for the cops to show up....12 minutes after your husband or wife was killed. Remember police no longer attempt to protect or serve. Thier ONLY job is after the fact enforcement of violations of law. If they actually protected anything we would never have any crime.
DJ, there truly is no contest between a 9mm and an M4 in close quarters; especially in close quarters under 15 yards. When both weapons are brought bear at a target, that single 9mm round may hit, but it better hit a vital area. With the M4, one shell can level you to the ground, leaving your body traumatized throughout a large area, including the vitals. Military shotguns were designed as the first line of an attack in close quarters. I agree with you that there should be mandated education for gun usage and gun safety for teachers that desire it. I also agree with you that we should not rely on police enforcement to respond quick enough to protect us. Why don't they open up jobs for returning veterans that have been extensively trained in firearms to serve as guards at schools?
Actually the 9mm round is more potentially deadly than the 5.56mm that the M4 would use. The 5.56mm is basically a high velocity .22 this round was developed to actually wound more than kill as a wounded soldier uses up more resources for the enemy than a dead one. The 9mm, like the 5.56mm is a round intended more for penetration than knock down but it is still a heavier and slower round
I am all for the right to bear arms, however just like perverts and drugs it should be a felony to have a gun within 1000 feet of any school. Also need a gun and amo tax that would be used to pay 100% of all gun related violence, medical costs and costs for police and justice system. Just like we pay a tax to drive a car to pay for roads etc.
That's it. No guns within 1000 feet. That way, when someone kills a school full of children, and then themselves, they get a jail sentence on top of life for Murder. Yep, they'll respect THAT law.
Or the brilliant "metal detector" that will beep as someone walks through and starts spraying the hallway. That beep will certainly alert the kids better than the loud sound of gunfire.
You don't fight suicide bombers, cars filled with explosives, poison gas, etc, by making murder illegal or by making the "sub-elements" of murder illegal. We've passed laws. Now we need the ability to stop mass murderers.
are you all crazy? Any law like tht CREATES the perfect conditions for these killing fields called schools.
1. teach all employees to use guns
2. require that they carry guns at school at all times
3. fine them ten cents if they are not carrying thier guns.
4. Allow any parent or other person with a concealed permit to carry on school property.
Now, you have just created a huge question mark for anyone ever wanting to do violence at a school. Instead they will never know who or how many have guns in a school.
The killing field is no longer.
You don't believe me, look it up. Every government that has taken away rights to bear and use firearms has begun having these same killing fileds where innocents gather. It is related to the fact that the perpetrator KNOWS he will not get caught and can kill indescriminately.
Case in point the AZ? crazed boyfriend who shot his gf and then went into a theater. An off duty polic woman shot and killed the crazy guy. If there were armed people in the restaraunt he would not haver made it to the theater to begin with. it is only insane people that believe disarming the population will result in less murder. It has never worked in ANY society. Why would you think it will now?
So by your logic every case of beer, six pack, bottle, shot or mug should have the cost of all drunk driving convictions and deaths built into the price? Same for cigarettes and cancer patients. Gonna have to triple the cost of a big mac so they can pay for all those bypass surgeries.
In many jurisdictions, it already is a felony to be within 1,000 feet of a school. The problem with this is the people who're heading over there to commit mass murder aren't really troubled by those pesky felonious posession laws.
Beginning to see the fatal flaw in your logic yet?
Now, on the flipside of this coin, if there was any question about whether or not one might meet armed resistence upon opening fire at a school, less people would try to go there and commit mass murder.
I can tell you what works in Israel so therefore all the liberals can screech like baboons and instantly throw it away as a suggestion. But what they do is have a limited number of doors and plant someone at the door to check everyone before they get in. And by someone I mean someone with at least a sidearm. This is resulted in them resorting to bombs and missiles. Which most liberals approve of anyway. So there ya go.
In the late 1970s in NYC my large public high school was locked down (if you left you didn't get back in – and the doors were steel) and everyone went through metal detectors to enter the building. Every day. No one minded. It caught knives as well as guns. I have no clue if the security person was armed, and they probably didn't work all day. Screening, armed or unarmed, makes much more sense than having armed civilians wandering around a school potentially shooting kids or making a bad situation worse. Armed guards were useless at Columbine and VA Tech.
I live in Israel and can tell you this is total BS, and we do have VERY strict gun laws.....
And in your country, everyone, male and female, has two years of compulsory military service and knows how to use the gun. Correct?
BACK ROUND: teacher 31 years, president of local teachers' association 10 years. vice president 4 years. president of PTA two years, vice president PTA two years, school board member four years, Christian all my life. I believe in arming teachers! Obama and other congressional leaders children are sent to schools that have armed guards! Why was school safety a topic not covered the first year Obama was president and giving away billions of tax dollars?
My youngest son was murdered by a two time felon who traded meth for the gun he used to shoot my son at point blank range five times in the neck, during the Clinton gun ban! Criminals don't follow the law, rules of codes!! I know the horror and my lovely wife and I made it! The parents of Aurora and Newtown victims are being used by Obama administration for their NAZI agenda!
Sheriff Joe is a smart man who cares about his community. Arming schools will stop cowards from entering Gun Free Zones established by Clinton administration, knowing that these zones would attract mental people who wanted to make a name for themselves! Our local Sheriff patrols school zones everyday!
I am NRA and CCW, I would protect children with my life. Risk my life for a child...been there and would do it again!
i hope, pray and wish that all republicans die soon. i wish that
Wow you are more violent and hateful than the gun totting republicans
This will all come to halt when one of their street guards shoots a kid. Probably an innocent one. I feel bad for people whose kids are stuck at that school. I don't want people with guns anywhere near my kids. Cheaper than hiring several around the clock armed guards would be metal detectors and schools in lock down – you don't come in and out during the day.
Yea that sounds nice, seems a little like prison!
Absolutely. And if a Police Officer kills an innocent child, that's proof that we need to take all the Cops off the street. Your reasoning is flawed by your emotions.
What a pfhucking a.$$hole.
You are the type of hateful person that we as a society should be keeping an eye on! With that much hate and disrespect for your fellow humans you are the last type of person I would want owning any type of firearm, you just seem to mentally unstable!...
I hope and pray the FBI hunt you down and treats you like the criminal you are for posting death threats.
The gun nuts will try any idea with the exception of the logic one, which is to regulate firearms so can actually have a "well regulated militia." What we do not need is a bunch of Zimmermans roaming around schools looking for Travons to shoot.
Travon was just nothing more than fecal matter smeared across the undergarments of America. So your point is rather invalid.
I wish all you paranoid people would send you kids to private school. If you won't to have armed guards in school, you pay for it or keep your kids at home. I'm tried of " for the kids" crap. I didn't have them but I have to pay for them!!
No offence, but you can tell by your thought process that you don't have kids
There is a Walmart close to my house, but I will never shop there again unless they stop selling automatic and semi-automatic assault rifles. They are the biggest sellers of guns and any company that puts their own corporate greed ahead of my family's safety and welfare is not going to get my business.
I am all for the 2nd amendment and guns meant for hunting and defending your home, but any gun that can shoot 7 bullets a second, hundreds in minutes is meant for one and only one thing; mass slaughter. Americans don't need to live in this constant fear and we don't need to turn our country into a war zone so gun companies and Walmart can profit. Common sense has to prevail.
Until Congress does the right thing, we the citizens need to put pressure on our representatives and do what we can at a personal level to take a stand. I look at the Walmart and see a merchant happy to sell death. I am not shopping there anymore unless they change their ways.
Only one thing to say to your complete ignorance...
Grow up, Greg.
Good for you! Stay strong – you are doing the right thing.
Hey now, it's not me that's asking Pandora to put all this crap back in the box...
"company that puts their own corporate greed ahead of my family's safety and welfare" that's EVERY company in the country, if they didnt but business over YOUR interest they would not be in business. You and your family is just a number to them, get over it.
In reality the Wal-Mart chain has the most stringent business rules concerniong the purchase of any weapons they sell. You don't just walk into Wal-Mart and purchase a gun. They actually follow ALL the rules and laws set forth by the state you live in. I would be more concerned with your local illigal immigrant drug gang that smuggles in guns and sells them on the black market. How do you think the criminals get their guns? They are certainly not purchasing them from Wal-Mart. If the government were truly honest about the illigal weapons they seize you would find that the ones used in most criminal activities are illigally purchased on the black market. Unregistered and not sold by any dealer in the US.
If you're going to complain about Walmart, at least get our facts straight. They do not sell automatic weapons. Certainly not anything that shoots "7 shots a second." It infuriates me when people like you confuse the issues with false information. The truth is, you simply don't care if your information is wrong.
Go to Walmart.com and search for guns. See all the results. Anyway where is the humanity? After Newtown, one would think that people would reflect and be a little bit more considerate. A right to own an assault weapon is not more important than the lives of our precious little kids in schools, innocent shoppers in a mall, casual movie goers in a theatre, attendees at a temple, first responders or lives of our police officers. Again, the debate gets skewed. We are not calling for all guns to be banned, but why should a civilian have access to military style weapons whose sole purpose is to kill in mass numbers. We can't be so inhumane. America is a fairly religious country. I don't get how some of us have come to be so insensitive and indifferent. Oh well!
Walmart does not sell "AUTOMATIC" weapons. You can not walk up to any gun store in America on a whim and buy a full auto weapon. You have to have a federal firearms license, which includes a lengthy background check to purchase those types of weapons.
The second amendment is not for hunting. Let me say it again so you can comprehend. The second amendment is not about hunting. It is in place as a final checks and balance against government tyranny.
So while we wait for the day when the Government which is elected by the people turns on its own people, we keep sacrificing the lives of thousands of innocent Americans every year (10,000 on average per year, 100,000 in 10 years?) Wow! that's a HUGE price to pay. It is sad that as a country, we accept such a ridiculous existence. I rather live today without the fear of someone carrying an assault weapon and taking out an entire classroom out in a matter of minutes. A right to own an assault weapon is not more important than the lives of our precious little kids in schools, innocent shoppers in a mall, casual movie goers in a theatre, attendees at a temple, first responders or lives of our police officers. We have the right to live.
Thank you, Jon. No offense to Shawn, but you're right. There are so many people out there don't know that much about firearms in general. This leads to believing whatever they hear; such as the whole "7 rounds per second". As long as you meet the age requirement and pass the background check, you can buy any weapon up to and including a semi automatic assault rifle. But, to obtain a fully automatic weapon (including certain assault rifles and certain pistol models), you would first have to buy the qualifying weapon and apply for a Class 3 licence. If your application went through (evaluated by the ATF), then you would send your semi automatic weapon to the ATF to be converted. This process, in some states, even involves and interview with an ATF agent. I guess the point is, you legally cannot purchase a fully automatic rifle from any outlet. I agree with you Shawn that American's need to be more considerate of recent events, but trying to find a solution so quick and simple as banning a specific type of weapon won't solve anything. This issue is much more complex than weapon capacity or weapon style.
Wal-Mart has never sold an automatic firearm, anywhere. And most don't even sell the mini-14 let alone "assault rifles".
Seeing as automatic weapons are already tightly controlled, any walmart that is selling them is already breaking the law. Try using your brain not your emotions for a change.
Yeah, we don't need to address gun control in any common sense way, we'll just send a group of well armed overly testoteroned men who can't wait to use their guns over to the schools where our children are....what could possibly go wrong?!!!
a mad gunman could open fire...oh wait that already happened but if just one person in that school would have been armed, it might have been different. That's what the media doesn't want you to know. Use your brain!
Someone WAS armed, and right after the gunman shot her in the face, a bunch of kids died soon after.
Yeah, a shoot-out among a group of screaming, panicking elementary students is a brilliant idea. It's going to be interesting to see how many lawsuits are going to arise due to all of the "friendly fire" deaths.
Yep we would have had one more death, he would've been the first to be taken out (the Norwegian guy who did the massacre said the first thing he made sure was to kill the police officer on the island before killing everybody else)
Thanks for demonstrating how useless. "good guy with a gun" typically is in these situations, biggie!
As a physician, I see guns as a public health menace when in the wrong hands. But the cat's out of that bag already folks. Our president and his VP ought to know that attempting "gun control" is a waste of time and energy. We need "shooter control." Require training and screening for those who want to own firearms. We have undercover air marshals on flights, why not let schools decide if they want armed security on campus? Also let them decide if they need to train their staff to protect our kids. An armed, mass murderer is only going to get taken down one of 2 ways: by his own gun or someone else's. Remember "duck and cover" drills ? CD shelters ? They were a reminder that we could get incinerated by a nuke any day, a sad fact of life for 30 years in this country but we dealt with it. Going down the "gun control" path will accomplish nothing except generate a lot of fighting and arguing. If every "assault rifle" or high-cap magazine were suddenly vaporized today, we will still have mentally unstable individuals and criminals who will use guns to commit crimes.
If we could pass something that would provide an opportunity for a nut to be subdued while reloading, we could save more lives. The copycats are already out of the closets. IMAX and public schools are still in session so something has to be done quick.
We already do, it's called a firearm.
so how do you explain the "third option" that just happened today in the California high school? an unarmed guy that is able to neutralize an armed student....mhhh guess being a doctor doesn't make you smart after all.....
The kid wasn't neutralized by anything. He decided to stop shooting. You cannot compare this incident with that of past school shootings because this kid had specified targets, and those targets alone. If his goal was to kill as many people as possible, he would have shot those teachers too. The kid literally told them, "I wasn't aiming at you". It's insane for you to believe that this incident can be placed anywhere near the same horrendous acts as other mass shootings.
Welcome to The United States of Syria.
Vigilante law has no place in a Democracy.
once again.....armed guards everywhere is a simple solution to a complicated problem.
Not so simple when one of the "possee" members shoots an innocent child or adult. I can't believe in the US on 2013 we can't even try to discuss gun reform without having being shouted down by a small, loud overly armed minority.
You call 80 million people a minority? Better think again.
80/300 million, yep a minority
WHY DO ALL THESE POLITICIANS KIDS GO TO SCHOOLS WITH ARMED GUARDS??? ARE THEIR LIVES MORE IMPORTANT????????
they need to be protected from all the gun nuts that are around......
Second amendment is for all.. Every body from age 7 and up should have a gun. Will see what will happen when someone show a gun in school.....Where is my gun , I need two, hell I will buy a machine gun, better , is someone selling any HK G36 ?
People having guns and machine guns is the very reason those kids are dead. The second amendment was written in the politics and atmosphere of colonial days. There would be no reason for people to defend themselves or others with a gun if the perpetrator did not have a gun. Besides hunting rifles, guns should be illegal in the hands of civilians. It is such a part of American culture that it will never happen, but Newton, Aurora, Columbine and all the others happened because people were able to buy or get access to guns. "Everybody over age 7 having a gun" would mean anyone over age 7 can blow anyone away. And they do.
This may be true that guns are the problem, but you will NEVER be able to get rid of all of them now. That battle can NOT be won. So, we need to move on to something that actually CAN be done. Pick your battles wisely. Arguing about getting rid of guns is just wasting time and risking lives. Anti-gun people don't quite get that getting rid of guns is an actual impossibility. There will always be guns for criminals to get. It is that simple. The only other alternative and the only possible solutions is proper security. That means that someone needs to be armed at every school. Just like any school where a president would put his kid. We need to protect our kids. If someone wants to hurt our kids, they will find a way, knife, gun, bomb, kidnapping whatever, unless there is a protector nearby.
People having guns is the cause? Where is that coming from? The problem is clearly on the heads of the liberals that have made discipline, accountability and responsibility a thing of the past.
No machine guns were used, and they are already illegal.
If you had 3 cops in every school, or trained people every day, they could still not stop a guy with an Assault Rifle – even if his only training was Call of Duty. There is no reason why ANYONE accept law enforcement to have anything besides a pistol (and hunting rifles).
id say arm everyone im armed at all times if teachers are armed then when a killer walks in the teachers can blow him away
My sentiments exactly.
"If you had 3 cops in every school, or trained people every day, they could still not stop a guy with an Assault Rifle – even if his only training was Call of Duty. There is no reason why ANYONE accept law enforcement to have anything besides a pistol (and hunting rifles)."
That's odd because the President uses guards with firearms. I'm sure they would not use them if they had something better. Also as said before, many politicians children go to privileged schools with guards, they must think it works.
And for the record, the guard at Columbine helped many people, despite being off school grounds at the time it started.
Newslfash!!! Today Obama signed the “Former Presidents Protection Act of 2012” giving him LIFETIME secret service protection. The law applies to President Bush, President Obama and any future presidents. So while he is trying to take away our potection he is making sure that he is protected by our funds and guns for life!!! Stand up people and NEVER NEVER NEVER give up your guns.
Please spread the word because CNN will never print this story!
imc11, no one cares.
Call the WAMbulance for monkeyboy, he slipped his leash again.
Newslfash!!! Today Obama signed the “Former Presidents Protection Act of 2012” giving him LIFETIME secret service protection. The law applies to President Bush, President Obama and any future presidents. So while he is trying to take away our potection he is making sure that he is protected by our funds and guns for life!!! Stand up people and NEVER NEVER NEVER give up your guns.
The election's over. Deal with it for four more years. BTW, the man is the first President in a while who's actually trying to funnel more money into the Dept of Education instead of cutting it. Some people tried to call that and other things he wanted to do for the disadvantaged "socialism". So let's see...... if public schools require additional funding for security details, armed guards, metal detectors etc., who determines which schools gets how much? Chicago? Why? Their kids don't even attend. Rural-town USA? Why? Nothing ever happens there.
dollars to donuts the AARPio posse will kill a school kid (brown) before the end of the school year
malasangre, comments like yours show that posse was a terrible word for CNN to use. 1 trained school marshal is not a posse of racist ruffians.
The posse member who can't get a date will be the one guarding the teen girls and boys at the middle or high school...and since he's the one with the gun...
What a sad world we live in. We now have to have more guns in school to protect the children and facility from the Idiots who want to go on a shooting spree.
It isn't called the Communist News Network for anything :)
It's interesting that the US taxpayers pay for Obama's kids to go to school with armed guards every day. In addition the school they go to, the Sidwell School, allready has 11, yes 11 armed guards at the school even when the Obama children are not there. Interestingly enough anti-gun David Gregory of MSNBC also sends his kids to this school so they are well protected also. Then we have all the elite Hollywood children who are heavily protected by armed security along with their parents. Why is it that they deserve the protection and we and our children are lunatics to even suggest the same level of security for us and our children?
lmc11- Well said
The answer to your thoughtless question is because no one is likely to target your kids JUST for being your kids. People ARE likely to target Obama's or David Gregory's or some other famous person's kids.
You can't be serious. When was the last time some politicians kid got attacked or shot at in public? All of the attacks happening today (at least the ones receiving media attention) are happening to everyday, normal citizens. Anyone can be a target in this day and age, thus, EVERYONE ought to be afforded protection. I, for one, would feel safer if responsible citizens all carried weapons, and were trained to use them safely and responsibly
Did you even think before you wrote this? Listen to yourself. Are you trying to say that the children in Connecticut were not targeted? Every child in every school is a potential target. Lanza was not targeting any famous people last I heard. He was targeting children. Please think before you right.
Because they can afford it. I guess you can't afford to send your kids to one of these schools. Sorry, but I shouldn't have to pay for your kids security, I already pay for their school.
because you don't have anything anyone wants. your kid might get whacked by some gun nut, wrong place wrong time thing, but nobody wants your mini-van and riding mower or for you to get out of Afghanistan etc. get it now?
Those are private schools, Bro. Taxpayers may fund SS detail for the President. Generally, private schools have parents with deep pockets to fund their security. Regular folk like us are screwed. We can't even get real cooks to peel potatoes or bake cookies anymore. The powers that be farmed that out too because apparently, someone else could make some money off of that too.
I I grew up in Western Pennsylvania. Our high school rifle team was number one in all America. I don’t remember anyone saying they needed an assault weapon that can shoot 60-100 rounds a minute to shoot a deer. In fact, many hunters bragged they would only need one shot to kill a deer or an criminal intruder. When this country wakes up and realizes the Tea Party is just a bunch of wackos, we will go back to a civilized nation with a civilized approach to things.
So you completely dismiss them? I don't need or want a gun, but I do consider school marshals to be a great idea.
As the sheep follow their Shepard
That would depend on who the sheep is.
Tea Partiers are the only ones who are fighting for their 2nd Ammendment rights?
I think you might want to go check your facts, kiddo.
If only you Americans would realize how much freedom you have given up. in the name of freedom. You don't have a clue what freedom really is. Freedom is being able to walk down the street knowing you won't be shot by an idiot waiving his gun around, freedom is not having to be afraid because some one else has the freedom to ridicule you publicly, which is what you call freedom. Freedom also has to protect the silent majority and not just the vocal minority.
Why do you automatically blame the Tea Party for everything? There are plenty of Democrats that are members of the NRA. Are you a memeber of the Obama squad? You know, the individuals that are out there trying to divide the country on purpose. We should all unit in our right to bear arms. I be the people of Syria would love to have the rights we do as their govenment continues to slaughter them by the thousands while the rest of the world, including the USA sits by and watches. Never, never give up your guns.
Because the Teab@gger bunch is chock full of loonies.
Amazing how gun nuts keep comparing the US to Syria, the USSR, Nazi Germany, etc. and never to the other civilized countries, maybe you are really afraid the US is more similar to Syria than say Canada or Sweden?
Hasten the day!
Who started this idea that our founders wrote the 2nd amendment to ensure our ability to shoot deer? It was put there to give us the ability to shoot tyrants! If you don't think it can happen read the news from around the world.
Full of tyrants in first world countries........maybe the US is not a first world country then, when you compare it to Congo, Syria, Lybia, etc....
its not a 2nd adm. issue. sawed off shot guns, 'machine' guns and other weapons are banned and have been for decades. the issue is interpation of the second admendment
I was against the armed guard thing when I first heard it but then I realized: my kid's school (middle school) has had an armed guard there since 9/11. It's a female police officer who's been asigned to be at that school. She has a great personality and the kids love her. Turned out her presence resulted in a lot of benefits...it's not just to kill crazies. No one feels fear with her there. She's a cop.
Exactly! When I was in school an off-duty sheriff would occasionally park in the parking lot. We never thought anything of it, and this was way before 9/11.
I think the officer in the school is a good thing. All public ( county ) schools in Lee County -Fort Myers, Florida have had at least one officer at their schools for many years.They are referred to as a resource officer and the tax payers pay their salary. The only thing bad , depending on how you look at it , that has ever happened is an eighth grader got tased because she tried to assault the officer. But it sent a clear message to every kid in the county !! And I think it gives the children a sense of security knowing he has their back !
Exactly, leave guns to Law enforcement and you will not even need them at your school, and if they want to be there....fine with me.......but only after the crazies have been disarmed....
If anyone is going to go to a school to shoot people and knows there is a cop out front, the first target would be that cop. They would casually walk up to the cop like a hundred kids do every day and would pull out a gun.
A cop sitting outside the school is not the answer.
The cop in my kid's school is inside that school...not sitting in a squad car outside idling the engine. Of course, there are other safety features in place within the school, giving the trained officer time to act and call for backup. Keep in mind, even though I am a pro-gun guy through and through (I do own an AR-15 as well as an AK-47) I don't see anything wrong with having cops around my kid. They're supposed to be the good guys, right? It's not as if we're not going to trust the cops around our kids now, right? Of course, is it the perfect solution? Nothing is. It is, at best, a better solution. Things are going to happen anywhere there are soft targets. Malls, theaters, etc. It's not just about schools.
"If it don't make dollars it don't make sense."
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
The first quote is what our society has become after the industrial revolution. The second is what the NRA will be force feeding us until this issue is resolved. Think about it. The industrial revolution is long gone. There is no reason to fund public education systems because "our investment" isn't generating anything for our country's bottom line. We've become a nation of sales reps and shareholders. The only noteworthy things we manufacture in this country for export are automobiles and guns. Both of those industries covet their worldwide influential network in order to maintain their bottom lines. Follow the money trail behind any active shooter training and you'll probably find the NRA behind that too.
Active shooter training ain't worth 2 dead flies anyway. It'll pacify parents until they figure out it's no different from the old "duck and cover" lessons we learned about the A-bomb during the cold war. This debate isn't about who (irresponsible gun owners) and what (type of gun). The beef in the burger is how to prevent these massacres from occurring. And the only way is to ban the military type assault weapons. If you can't do without your 60 shooter, there are four branches of service you can select. All of the other propaganda between the buns ain't what we're paying for.
Jerrystinger, I don't understand why you would focus on the military type assault weapons. As seen in the shooting at Virginia Tech, two pistols with 9-17 round magazines can provide a high volume of fire that just as dangerous as a AR-15 carbine with 30 round magazines. If we as a country are going to opt for the gun control route, the only real solution I see is a ban on all semi-automatic weapons. Of course that doesn't address the possibility that law abiding citizens have to resort to bolt action rifles and revolvers while criminals will still use semi-automatic weapons. I don't see a way of effectively getting all semi-automatic weapons out of the public's hands.
While I am still considering which options I think would be best, at this time I don't believe banning AR-15's will do anything worthwhile.
I agree with you but this issue is going to be mitigated right down the middle, anyways. We're not gonna get exactly what we want and neither is the other side. We all have to compromise.
No Jerry, there is NO COMPROMISE on our 2nd amendment rights. If you don't want a gun that is your choice. Do not choose for the rest of us.
I can go along with large clips stored in a private locker at a gun store, instead of in homes.
Parents: teach your kid to respect life. I would favor putting both parents in jail for life if they fail.
And, parents- put a lock on your gun.
I will teach my child to respect life.
That includes both not murdering innocents and also defending the innocent with whatever force necessary.
"No Jerry, there is NO COMPROMISE on our 2nd amendment rights. If you don't want a gun that is your choice. Do not choose for the rest of us."
The ball is already rolling. The second amendment is now being "amended". You'll still have a right to own with some restrictions.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the second amendment also have the words, "Well regulated" in there somewhere?
I have always considered myself pro second amendment but people acting as if common sense regulation is the apacolypse is absolutely absurd. Should we be selling high capacity, semi-automatic assault rifles to just anybody who wants to buy them anytime they want for whatever purpose they want? Do you really think that was the founding father's definition of "well regulated"? Should we be as vigilant about ensuring potential gun owners are as qualified to own a gun as we do before we allow someone to adopt a stay cat from a shelter?
Come on people, there are real statistics out there that demonstrate real world correlations between gun ownership and the risk of someone in your home being killed (and 43:1, it will not be an intruder). Let's have common sense regulations (like the second amendment calls for) and let's keep a few more of those thirty thousand Americans who die every year from gun shot wounds alive.
How many mass shooting were there during the last "assault weapons" ban? Tell me again, how this is going to prevent mass shootings?
Just shows ignorance in our Country and it is sad. We can make our schools safer using technology then going to these means and helping to enforce the criminal who brought and wanted fear for child and the families.... ridiculous! Some Americans I believe enjoy being cattle .....easier to follow then find and research real solutions and answers to a problem.
What other means do you suggest? I do not see how an armed guard/marshal is scary or ridiculous. If anything, they should make you feel MORE secure. Malls have cops, universities have cops, businesses have night guards, and planes have air marshals. How and why are these places more worthy of protection than our children?
Malls have cops, look what happened at Oregan mall.
Universities have cops, does Virginia Tech ring a bell?
Arming schools and teachers? how many guards per school? Every classroom? and if you need to pay more taxes so that every school in America will be armed, are you will to do it?
come on people, more guns aren't the solution. So what if you got couple armed guards in school, it won't stop a nutso student from shooting everyone in a classroom with a semi auto before the guards can do anything.
It is rediculous to think that we should have armed guards in our elementary schools. I went to a HS with an armed guard, but that is different..they are there because of fights, drugs, and hs (some adults) students who cause REAL problems. I, like the rest of america was horrified over what happened in CT, but I do NOT want armed guards at my childs elementary school. What is next, our military driving the streets in tanks? This is America. I served in the AF for 9 years and my husband is still active duty. We go to other countries and help them because this is how their citizens live. Is that what this country is coming to? Maybe we should spend the money on getting help for all the youth in this country that are severely screwed up!! None of them can deal with their problems and turn to violence. We teach our kids these days that life is fair, everyone gets a prize or gets a trophy. Kids aren't allowed to have arguements at school, it is called bullying. Children are not exposed to disappointment, they don't learn how to deal with not being liked and so many ore things. The first taste of rejectment they get and they blow people up...This problem will not be fixed by armed guards or police or military..it will be solved by allowing children to be children. Parents, educators, coaches and all adults need to step back and allow kids to have fights, be disappointed, not liked. This builds character and mental strength.
An armed & trained guard or policeman would have saved those kids' lives. Instead you are relying on a 1/8" piece of glass to prevent the maniac from smashing the door and coming into the school. Those of us who DO NOT LIVE on a protected military base like Lisa does (note she is active duty family) have to face reality in the real world. the only think that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good trained guy with a gun... unless you live on a miltiary base that is protected by many good guys with good guns!
Nuh, uh. We take active shooter training too. And although there are M.P.s on every installation, that doesn't mean it's safer than Detroit. There's rape, theft and gun violence on installations too. But no mass murders because they won't issue those types of weapons unless the fort is under attack.
I do not live on a protected military base..I live in a community just like you! Let us not forget Ft hood, military bases aren't so safe either..or lets think about all our "protected" military bases overseas where troops are being killed everyday...
Oh, and I have probably faced more reality than you ever will! Do you honestly think the military is inside some nice little cozy bubble?
Tri-Mike you are showing your ignorance to military family life
Military bases are not safe and secure...Ft Hood proved that. Military members are prohibited from having personal firearms on base except unloaded in storage in base housing and transport unloaded to and from the range.
"I went to a HS with an armed guard, but that is different..they are there because of fights, drugs, and hs (some adults) students who cause REAL problems."
So – what do you call a perfect stranger armed to the teeth coming into a school an anihilating 6 year olds? That's NOT A REAL PROBLEM but drugs are? DUH.
I will accept ANYTHING...ANYTHING that will ensure MY CHILD has the best PROTECTION IN SCHOOL FROM ANYTHING LIKE THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN. Guess what? IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. So – me? ARM THE PRICIPAL. ARM THE JANITOR. (of course make sure they are TRAINED)...and keep MY kid safe. Yours? Dead as you are living in La La Land. The world today (ALL OVER THE WORLD) is a very different place...and it ISN'T GOING BACK to Ozzie and Harriet days I can asure you that.
"...and it ISN'T GOING BACK to Ozzie and Harriet days I can asure you that."
You better hope that it does...
... because the alternative is far worse than what we've already seen.
If someone robs a bank, who is the first person killed? The armed guard! If someone really wants to hurt people, it doesn't matter wether it is a school, mall, theater...etc..they wll do it and they will take out the armed guard first...
Lisa...If Armed Guards are not the answer...then tell me why...
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel sees that there is an armed patrol at his kids school
NYC Mayor Bloomberg sees that there is an armed patrol at his kids school
NBC Anchor Dick Gregory sends his kids to a school with an armed patrol, and Secret Service due to the Obamas
Prez Obama send his kids to a school with armed guards and adds 11 Secret Service for his kids
So tell me...if armed guards work and are good enough for them...why are they not good enough for everyone's kids!!! Also...All of the above mentioned individuals kids have armed guards at their schools, but called the NRA's idea of armed guards in schools crazy and said it would not work. Now...tell me...which is right...if armed guards do not work at schools, then why do powerful politicians have it at their schools??!! You will also notice, if you open your eyes, and see that everyone that is calling for more gun control, has either Secret Service or Police from their area, that travels with them to protect them. And YEP...they carry the so-called "Assault Weapons" to protect their bosses, but the average citizen is not good enough to do the same. I believe that is called being a HYPOCRITE!!!! What ya think!!!!
BINGO! Truth be told.
Answer that you wacko anti-gun advocates....
Protect MY KIDS. ARM EVERYONE. MY KIDS ARE WORTH MORE THAN OBAMAS. Why? BECASUE THEY ARE MINE.
PROTECT MY KIDS. In whatever way POSSIBLE,
Heimlick, I believe that everyone should have access to a gun. Everyone but you, that is.
If I was President, I guess my kids would have armed guards, but those kids are in danger because of the all th "crazies" running around. What happened in Ct was random..no child there was targeted. Maybe we should have armed guards in movie theaters, workplaces and everywhere else for that matter, because random shootings happen all th time..Hell, you can't even drive down the highway anymore cause there might be some wacko sniper taking people out. I am NOT against owning guns, I am against living in an America that looks more like a third world country..I have personally been to such places and trust me we do not want ours to be similar in anyway!
yea you and yours get death threats every day. they get protection because they are threatened everyday. duh? 20 kids killed at Newtown? we blow that many up everyday with drones.things are tough all over
How is your situation different? You said your school had a guard to fight "REAL problems". I'm sorry to say, but this problem is real. We can't simply wish it away or pretend it doesn't exist. It appears to me that you're letting emotions cloud your judgment of what is "ridiculous".
Lisa.. you are a very special indiviual.
This is totally irrelevant, but arguing between children is not bullying. (Seriously...?) By the way, Heimlick is totally right.
I favor dealing with habitual Bullies- Cut their balls off.
guns are good it just depends who shoots th gun
Massacre control is coming. Deal with it.
I feel like I'm stuck in a feedback loop...
I guess you're in the camp that believes since firearm violence doesn't often happen in your area, the chances you'll ever be affected are just so low that it makes sense to disarm everyone, right?
I'm all for massacre control myself, but I believe it can be attained by stricter enforcement (READ ANY ENFORECEMENT WHATSOEVER) and lifting the gun free zone prohibitions.
1% of 1% of felons who attempted to purchase firearms last year were prosecuted. That's like daring them to go on a rampage.
Gun free zones provide nothing but a false sense of security and a target rich environment for bad guys.
All we need to do is enforce the laws we already have and repeal the ones that don't work. Easy peasy massacre control.
You can always leave.
Why would he need to leave? The laws support his viewpoint more than they support yours, you weird little troll.
You can leave too, Ryan. I need more lebensraum, baby!
Heh. As an enthusiastic proponent of 2nd Amendment Rights, my response is:
Just try and make me.
Oh, I would never force you – I'd compel you. You don't wanna be anywhere near me. I rarely bathe.
LOL. A+ response.
No, unfortunately it isn't. And this is the saddest part of the assault weapon debate. Only people who know NOTHING of guns are naive enough to think that it will stop massacres. Let me explain to you:
– Most people involved in these shootings obtained their weapons illegally. The existing laws didn't prevent these people from breaking them. The thought more laws will is ludicrous.
– The classification of an assault weapon made in these laws is laughable. Basically take 2 rifles, do some cosmetic modification to one of them. They still shoot exactly the same, but now one is illegal and the other isn't. You are being swindled by your own lawmakers, so that now that they pacified you with ridiculous laws, they can get your votes.
– Most important of all, these laws are designed to appeal to the emotions of naive individuals, but what they really do is divert time, money, and resources from addressing the real causes of these massacres. Look at the Clinton era assault weapon ban, plenty of mass shootings during that time.
So I am sorry to tell you mass shootings will continue just fine.
You need to do some research. Almost all mass shootings have taken place with LEGALLY owned weapons. Also, there have been at least two recent shootings, including the theater shooting in San Antonio and one in a California school today, that if they had taken place with an assault weapon such as the AR-15, there would have been MANY fatalities. Without the use of an assault weapon, though, there were 0 fatalities in both instances.
No new laws. A blanket ban will do. Get caught, get confiscated, get fined and go to jail.
Like crack in the 90s. But we know that won't happen.
I agree, but you don't have to be so rude about it. This is giving a lot of people heartburn, it's better to make it less painful to those on the fence.
It's not gun control,it is massacre control. It is coming right wingnuts so deal with it.
I'm all for massacre control myself, but I believe it can be attained by stricter enforcement (READ ANY ENFORECEMENT WHATSOEVER) and lifting the gun free zone prohibitions.
1% of 1% of felons who attempted to purchase firearms last year were prosecuted. That's like daring them to go on a rampage.
All we need to do is enforce the laws we already have and repeal the ones that don't work. Easy peasy massacre control.
So when you take away the guns from the good guys.. What's your plan for taking them away from the bad guys? After you get all the guns from the bad guys are you going to ban knives next, or how about power tools, screwdrivers, icepicks, lawnmowers, wood choppers, rope, cars? A little ridiculous isn't it...so is your point!
More guns equals more death. That's a fact.
Hitler agrees. Guns cause deaths so ban them and less people will die.
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State" – (Heinrich Himmler)
"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" – (Adolf Hitler)
Isn't it ironic, then, that in this country the true facists are the gun lovers?
I'm a personal fan of Mao's commentary.
"All power grows out the barrel of a gun. The Party must command all the guns; that way, no guns can ever be used to command the Party."
"“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.”
Obama and Feinstein are in pretty sterling company...
Only mentally deficient paranoid lunatics believe this kind of nuttiness out of some George Orwell novel is the answer. American made a terrible, terrible mistake at its origins with the Second Amendment. What kind of "natural right" is bearing arms? Now with the astonishing proliferation fueled by greedy and immoral gun manufacturers, America is turning into into some bleak post-Apocalyptic landscape - and we let it happen! The wingnuts LIKE it this way, because they're already crazy, and live in some violent computer-game fantasy of their own. They WANT a wild west. But we are Americans too and it's time to turn off the spiggot and keep turning it. I'm completely disgusted with this mania.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
– George Orwell
Maybe your new screen name should be "Nadine: shhh."
I mean, I wanted to leave it at my first comment, but it terrifies me that you're allowed to vote, being as ignorant about the origins of this country as you are, and especially being the hateful and intolerant person that you've become in your alleged adulthood.
Wild-west fantasies? "Bleak post-apocalyptic landscapes?" Really?
Look outside your window right now, you sad little woman. Trees, cars, paved roads, power lines and people living properly. All this alongside 200+ years of legal and sanctioned gun ownership from sea to shining sea. This isn't NEW. This isn't RECENT.
"America made a huge mistake with the 2nd Amendment." PLEASE. America wouldn't friggin' BE HERE if it weren't for private firearms ownership, you ignorant cow. Remember? War of Independence? War of 1812? Foreign invaders repelled by ordinary citizens with weapons? You should be so lucky that not everyone was as cowardly and hysterical back then as you are now. You should be ashamed of yourself.
nadinesh, it seems that you're the one who is manic. Chill out and think. Is it crazy to have air marshals, mall cops, and university police? Hiring school marshals is not anymore ridiculous.
It's a safe bet that sales of Sarah Palin's famous 'crosshairs' poster have skyrocketed south of the Mason-Dixon line.
Papered m'new sh!tter with 'em.
IF WE HAD MORE GUNS WE'D HAVE LESS DEATH.
IF WE HAD BIGGER D!CKS WE'D HAVE LESS GUNS.
The correct grammar for your second phrase is 'fewer deaths". Of course, you're completely wrong in other ways too. Every country with strict gun control has far fewer deaths than we do. And that's a fact.
Whoops, I mean fewer guns.
That is so false it is laughable. We don't even need to look further than the US. Your Obama buddy Rahm Emanuel has some of the strictest gun restrictions in the US and they have the highest murder rate. I don't see you complaining about that though. Could it be because they are minorities killing each other with illegal guns?
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the majority of countries don't have 300 million people.
Terminal case of phallic obsession... awkward.
You sir, are a living contradiction to this statement.
Guns at schools, teachers/Terminators with guns..So this is the American way of "Freedom "? I grew up in a different country, when I was 8 years old I was visiting my brother in prison for 8 years. I grew up with the guns around me IN THE PRISON.. Now I have two kids and I live in the US. (guess what), I am surrounded by the guns in schools...AGAIN.. just like in my childhood, the only difference teachers don't look like those prison guards (that I remember), not yet..
Soooo.......how do you like it so far, here in "the greatest country on earth"?
Firearms are part of the culture here. Didn't you get the pamphlet before your greencard came through? Oh, wait.. You ARE here 100% legally, are you not? Any time the firearms culture in this country bothers you so much that you feel the need to do something about it, you feel free to buy a plane ticket back to where you were born and see if you can compare the freedoms and quality of life you have here with what you would have there. Should stifle the need to extinguish liberty about every time.
Many other fine countries that can alieve your paranoia. You just gave to give up your rights and your freedom and you can get a false sense of security!
Public schools don't have enough money to get by. There is no reason we should enact any legislation that increases their operating costs without educational benefits.
Uhhhh.. could a good reason be because our children are getting shot ?
Agreed. New legislation is not needed. What we desperately need is enforcement of the laws we already have. This expense should not fall on the shools to provide.
NICS needs an overhaul and our LE community needs to step up their game.
And if we could get our government to STOP selling guns to the Mexican drug cartels, that'd be super.
First we let coca-cola and pepsi into our schools to market to our kids. Then we turned school sports and clubs over to massive nationwide marketing machines. Then fast food and pizza places started opening kiosks in cafeterias.
Now the NRA's corporate puppetmasters will get to advertise in our schools as Kindergarten Cops put their coolest weapons on display.
We're paying taxes to send our kids to a place that serves no purpose but to bombard them with advertising and sell products to them. It's time to start over from scratch with the public education system. Within a few generations everyone will be homeschooled through online lessons and tutorship in any case.
i dont even know what to say to this.
the day my kid has to go to school with armed guards is the day i am changing my nationality and moving as far away as possible.
seriously, sounds pretty much third world.
The government is not serious about solving the problem.... I know people who live in the City of Oakland and have a relative on the police dept. He advised his relatives to move away from the city. He said it was out of control and there was little the cops can do. Their schools already have armed guards and cops.
The Justice Dept. admits that 70,000 prohibited people tried to buy guns last year and they chose to prosecute only 77 of them. How many would laugh at our current laws when there is no penalty for violating it? Less than 1/10 of 1% prosecution. Enforce the laws we have.
The high school I attended in the 90's had an armed police officer on campus at all times. It was a non-issue.
You're making a big deal over nothing. Please move now, I'll pay for your ticket.
But Columbine had two guards at the school and still 13 people died.
I don't have all the answers to todays social problems, frankly I'm not sure I could accurately define them. However we should be able to have an intelligent discussion without the crazies trying to stop everything, shouldn't we?
Bye ... don't let the door hit you on your way out of the country ...
All anytone needs to know is this stat:
Isriali Schools have their teachers carry guns and have had 8 gun related deaths in the past 10 years.
US Schools have "Gun Free Zones" (no guns allowed) and have had well OVER 200 deaths
... now tell me, who is doing things right?
Israel has a population of around 8 million, so that means that they had around 1 death per million. The US has a population of 312 million, so that means America had around .65 deaths per million (Both populations based on 2011 data). The answer to your question is that the US method seems significantly more effective.
"Isriali Schools have their teachers carry guns and have had 8 gun related deaths in the past 10 years.
US Schools have "Gun Free Zones" (no guns allowed) and have had well OVER 200 deaths"
Okay "The Truth", Israel is the size of New Jersey. If we want to compare "apples to apples", let's just multiply those 8 deaths in Israel by 50 to account for the rest of our states...guess what, 450 deaths! The Israel example isn't that great, is it "The Truth"? I'm not anti-gun but I am against putting guns into the schools. There is enough of a problem in this country with attracting and retaining quality teachers without forcing them to be some kind of security force as well.
Okay "The Truth", Israel is the size of New Jersey. If we want to compare "apples to apples", let's just multiply those 8 deaths in Israel by 50 to account for the rest of our states...guess what, 400 deaths! The Israel example isn't that great, is it "The Truth"? I'm not anti-gun but I am against putting guns into the schools. There is enough of a problem in this country with attracting and retaining quality teachers without forcing them to be some kind of security force as well.
Truth the tool
Agreed. Why should any of our tax dollars go towards funding Kindergarten Stormtroopers when our schools presently aren't getting enough tax money to repair their crumbling facilities and pay teachers a living wage?
Please leave the country then. As for me, I would love more protection for my kids. How many times have times murderers gone on a rampage in a police station, prison, or army base? How long would they last if they did? A teacher could defend a locked door pretty darn well with a gun in their hand!
That's interesting because you and I and the rest of the taxpayers in the US pay for Obama's kids to go to school with armed guards every day. In addition the school they go to, the Sidwell School, allready has 11, yes 11 armed guards at the school even when the Obama children are not there. Interestingly enough anti-gun David Gregory of MSNBC also sends his kids to this school so they are well protected also. Then we have all the elite Hollywood children who are heavily protected by armed security along with their parents. Why is it that they deserve the protection and we and our children are lunatics to even suggest the same level of security for us and our children?
Go Dusty – please go now
What kind of guns should teachers carry? Who determine the state of mind of the teachers who carries the guns?
Is this the education for the next generation?
>> What kind of guns should teachers carry?
A: The largest caliber that they are comfortable with.
>> Who determine the state of mind of the teachers who carries the guns?
A: As long as they have not been declared mentally ill by a competent psychiatric expert,
However, theirfellow employees and administrators could report and advise on any adverse mental changes.
>>Is this the education for the next generation?
Historically, I think when we hunted for food, marksmanship was common among the students.
Perhaps now it's relevant now for survival for other reasons.
That sounds so..... Bama!
Sane one day and hungover the next.
Scenario #2: CNN Special Report: Student wrestles gun from teacher and ....
It'd be nice and fair if you could retain your right to bear a certain type of arm and we can let bygones be bygones.
Anyone caught with a banned weapon goes to jail for 5 years and the weapon is confiscated and mutilated.
I'd love to see an illegal administer a double-tap to Sheriff Arpaio's empty head.
Q: How many illegal mexicans does it take to shingle a roof?
A: It depends how thin they're sliced.
Great contribution to this conversation... shows your depth and perception... causes admiratioin for the Tea Party too.
Really?!? Do you really think racist comments (and completely off-topic at that) are appropriate for such a serious subject?
I'd love to see Sheriff Arpaio double tap your mom every night.
Benito would rather have the Sheriff double tap him nightly!
At least I know who BOTH of my parents are.
Arpio for president!
He couldn't run a circle-jerk in a bath house.
It would still make me laugh, though.
I'm not about to start some kind of flame war with anyone that is opposed to any form of restrictions on firearms. I will say that I'm not real happy about the possibility of living in a Police State where there are armed individuals in the mall, in the schools, everywhere. The last time I saw anything of the kind was in the 30's and early 40's in occupied Europe. Allowing firearms in bars (that's REAL brilliant) or in places where the public tend to congregate is a recipe for disaster. I have my own opinions on what we could/should do but will not voice them here. I would be very interested in what those against any form of restrictions in any and all cases would propose. Seriously.
Michael, my opinion is this is a leaderless civil war being waged by extreme right elements, the RW equivalent of OWS. And all thanks to Fox News, which runs "march to civil war" headlines every day.
Firearms in bars. That doesn't even SOUND right!
1. Shall-issue concealed carry license for all non-criminals, who has no mental or drug problems and have some trainning (can consistently hit a target).
2. Repeal gun-free zones.
We need our gun free zones because that's where these shootings typically happen and we wouldn't want them to spread to other places now would we?
you rube, this isnt the wild west so lose the paranoia or go move to nigeria so you can live your little rambo fantasy and see how long you last. We get it, your another closet call of duty wannabe badass, now beat it
Riddle me this batman..
Why is it that all of these mass shootings (except the Fort Hood shooting) happen in gun free zones?
Who is the rube now?
Please note, Fort Hood was a gun free zone. Military personnel were not armed on the base, as per policy. Only the MPs have arms on the base. The Fort Hood shooter was stopped by Base civilian police Sergeant Kimberly Munley and Sergeant Mark Todd. These were both civilian police. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting
The only non-gun-free mass shooting in recent history is the Giffords case.
Guns protect Money
Guns protect Borders
Guns protect Police
Guns protect Property
Guns protect Government Officials
Guns protect Prisoners
I value my children more than anything so yes, Guns protect MY CHILDREN and the more ammunition those guns carry the more protected they are.
Did guns protect the children that lost their lives in Conneticut?
If they allowed firearms in bars, I'd open one and call it "Darwin's".
What do you mean, "if" they allowed guns in bars?
Ohio passed expanded concealed carry laws last year saying that guns are OK in bars and restaurants. Zero shootings in restaurants and bars by legal concealed-carriers.
Drinking while carrying is a felony. They passed the law so that fathers and mothers taking their kids out to TGI Fridays wouldn't be unarmed in case someone came in and tried to recreate the Luby's shooting.
Maybe you should name your bar "I Freak Out Over Nothing."
Ahhhhh, big deal. It's Ohio! – for gawds sake. No one gives a flaming sh!t. Sorry if I........freaked you out.
Heh. Obviously, you were too drunk and/or retarded to watch the latest election. Ohio is all the rage now, don't'cha know. One of the most important states in the union, since no one wins an election without winning Ohio.
Seriously, don't get all haughty because you're wrong and behind the times.
Once again – it's Ohio. A gawd forsaken patch of nothingness. 'Course thyt were more interesting back when their rivers used to ignite and their trigger-happy National 'Guard' psychopaths were gunning down un-armed students.
Holy sh!t! I f****d the spelling to "they'. I better make the next one a double.
Michael – if you really WERE in occupied Europe, back in the 30s and 40s, I'm sure you can relate Hitler's gun control policies to us. Considering he implemented gun registration, and subsequent gun confiscations, prior to the concentration camps. Same with Mussolini and Stalin.
If you were there. I'm not clear on exactly how citizens carrying concealed has any possible parallel to armed soldiers carrying out pogroms on a disarmed populace.
I have news for you...lots of people in bars are already armed
Ever notice those that are shouting the loudest in our government for gun bans, send their children or grandchildren to private schools that have armed security. Where I live all public schools have a cop car out front and a policeman inside, they have had this for years, no violence, not even fights.
Wake up CNN... two shot in Southern Cali HS. Where's the beef? Ask ABC.
just two? that doesn't qualify for national news, we need to have a t least 5 people killed to get on the news radar (preferably children), that's what gun culture has done to us, when those news don't even make it mainstream since they are now so common....
How much longer till this happens?
Someone takes a semi-auto AR-15, smuggles an illegal drop in auto sear and a couple M16 parts off the streets, gets a machine gun and goes crazy at a school? Stop restricting law abiding citizens and enforce current laws.
Oh, yeah, because it's so easy to find happy-switch auto-sears just laying around in the streets.
There has been exactly ONE crime committed with a registered NFA item since the registry was closed and it was perpetrated by a cop.
I LOVE GUNS BECAUSE I HAVE NO D!CK.
Thank you, Alex.
Highly believable in your case.
I know you personally and I can vouch for that!
you're TRANS? Freak..?
it would not be easier with a metal detector in revenues to schools? to avoid paranoia
Fort Worth ISD put police officers in all schools several years back when they started the Zero Tolerance policy. Now if there's an incident on a campus regardless how minor the police officer shows up and issues citations to the students. They go in front a judge and have to put in a plea of guilty , not guilty or no contest. Sentence is given in forms fines, classes, The school district says its not a criminal proceeding but call it what you want, the kids still end up in a court of law. My son (12) got caught throwing balled up paper with another student and had to go through the process. Not sure if the school district does anything for discipline. Just turn it over to the courts, I guess. This is what happens when the legal system (police and courts) is involved in school functions.
Good. Maybe you should teach your child not to be a turd in class. I hope you had to pay a hefty fine.
In 1999 when the Columbine shooting occurred there were two armed police on campus. Net result: 23 dead.
the last assault weapons ban was put in place in 1994. the legislation worked really effectively. NOT.
I believe that weapons ban was allowed to expire.
That ban expired in 2004 not 1999 so the shooting happened during the weapon ban
What about all the cases where a student has been found with a weapon by school security. Net results: 0 dead.
The Justice Dept. admits that 70,000 prohibited people tried to buy guns last year and they chose to prosecute only 77 of them. How many would laugh at our current laws when there is no penalty for violating it? Less than 1/10 of 1% prosecution. Enforce the laws we have. ..
If you're really a colorado teacher, then you know there was ONE armed resource officer suposed to be on that campus and that he was out to lunch when the shooting began. Oh, right, he did exchange fire with them at a range of approximately 60 yards. With a handgun. Guy was useless as boobs on a bull, but the fact remains that if any of the teachers had firearms, when the shooting started, the could have been ready and waiting when their door was kicked in and ended the incident with a lower body count.
Just curious how many of these mass shootings of late have occurred OUTSIDE these gun free zones? You know, where people are actually permitted and not expressly prohibited from carrying a firearm.
Dey took rrr jobs!
Der drrr de drrrrr!!! :D
Can anyone explain why Obama isn't be attacked. he purposely sold guns to the mexican cartels so that our border patrol agents would be shot! That's a crime. Lock him up!
Yes SlimJim, that's exactly what he did. Spot on. Great commentary. What purpose does your comment serve?
Sure. Right after we lock up Idiot Jr., Rumsfeld and Cheney first.
Are you kidding me? He IS attacked constantly for the operation at the border that went wrong, for the embassy attack, for working on the Sandy help too soon, for taking a vacation for breathing. Yet, the same attackers thought the war crimes and terrorist attacks and vacations, and everything else perpetrated by Bush et al were just peachy dandy.
Because Fast and Furious began under Bush as a way to follow the guns up to the top levels of cartels. Unfortunately there was collateral damage and the operation was blown. Not that it mattered. The CIA border patrol and FBI blaming each other and the government for lack of resources. So your answer is that Obama did not start this mission, he was just forced to see it through.
Slim Jim, delusional people like you that have access to guns and semi automatic stuff is exactly why we need stricter regulation. Sooner or later some of you crazies "lawful gun owners" will "attack" the president with a weapon and try to kill him, just wait and see....
Or, maybe a psychotic and delusional nutjob will illegally obtain a firearm and attack the sitting President in hope of capturing the admiration of a Hollywood starlet. Oh, wait...seems that this already ocurred.
Or maybe the Pentagon will co-operate with the CIA and the mob and stage a coup d'etat. Oh, wait............
We all know perfectly well where this is headed. Arm thousands of teachers, and soon enough one of them going through a nerve-wracking divorce will flip out and take it out on the kids. A classroom can be a tense enough place as it is, you don't need to add guns to the mix. The last thing we should do is burden teachers with another grave responsibility, they have a tough job already. Keep guns out of schools and you're less likely to have an adult going postal or a kid demonstrating his wits in the most tragic way.
Try reading for content. No one wants all teachers armed. In truth, even the possibility of encountering armed resistance at a school-whether it's true or not-acts as a deterrent. Just as you don't know on which flight an armed air marshall will ride, but there's always a chance he could be right next to you. Try using your head instead of your emotions.
I work in education.
I own a gun.
I went through a really bad divorce several years ago.
I didn't shoot anyone.
didn't have an affair with a student, but it happens all the time...
Simple logic? So the Nut doesn't go to schools. How about MacDonald's at rush hour? So then we have armed guards at all fast food stores. Then the movies, then armed guards there. Then grocery stores, then banks, then pharmacies, then gas stations, and on & on! Great for the gun factories, wow! Simple logic? More like Simpleton logic!
Which is exactly the reason behind concealed carry licenses. To prevent people from shooting others because you never know who might just be carrying a weapon to defend themselves.
Bob, Out of 64 mass murders in this country, not a single shooter was taken out by a bystander with a gun.
in an environment where everyone is armed few crimes take place with guns (texas). in an environment where no one is armed lots of crimes take place with guns (chicago). it's not rocket science.
A nut job doesn't care if there is someone there who can defend themselves. They are looking for concentrated body count.
So, Slim – all those guys on death row in Tejas used their bare hands did they? Impressive. Now THAT'S how you kill like a man. Guns are for sissies.
Clinky, How many mass shootings were prevented from a citizen who used his/her right to defend.
Colorado Teacher, A body count which can be limited do to citizens protecting themselves.
Let me get this right. We all agree that there is nothing we can do to prevent people from getting shot. However, you want to take away my gun then when the psyco pulls his gun I can stand there and do....nothing? Call the cops?...we know how fast they can get there.
Take a look at this, clinky:
Really and just how would the cops know who in a firefight who has a legit conceal and carry license and who is a criminal? You are making the job of police that much harder and more dangerous. Do you trust untrained civilians to correctly assess all situations and make the right call – not interfere with police operations or intimate their fellow citizens. You are assuming all license holders are responsible, moral, and well intentioned. Good luck with that.
@clinky because there's no such thing as an attempted mass shooting.
Clinky is right Bob. None of the mass murderers were taken out by bystanders. However, many were taken out before they became a mass shooting. In the past 5 years I recall several armed teachers and a retired cop who shot armed suspects on the school grounds, preventing the mass shootings. Those didnt make the mainstream media. That is counter productive to their philosophy that all guns are bad. An off duty cop is nothing more than an armed citizen. One stopped a theatre shooting 2 days after the CT shooting. The Portland shooting, the suspect saw the armed citzen aiming a gun at him and then shot himself in the head.
In those cases the mass murder was avoided, thus not reported.
Jan... I think the only thing sane Americans can do about this is cross off certain states as unfit to live in. As long as the NRA owns congress and as long as the gun manufacturers are making obscene buckets of money from paranoid people this will go on. The alleged second amendment rights of the obsessed few will make living safely and at peace more and more difficult for the rest of us.
Your opinion has zero statistical data to support it. You're taking an emotional reaction, a little bit of information from the internet, some propaganda but those who would proffit, and spewing your own propaganda. I understand if you have an opinion about guns, but making an empty statement with nothing to support will not fix any problem.
Right back at ya. See that's the problem. There is no profit to be made by not arming every wannabe cowboy in the country. And America is all about profit. Greed, guns and god... in that order. Try listening to something besides Rush Limbaugh and FOX news. Yes, I'm passionate about the perversion of the second amendment that was meant to apply to single shot muskets and not AR-15's with huge clips of bullets. Sorry if that upsets you. Keep your hunting rifles and the handgun in your bedside table if it makes you less afraid, but leave military assault weapons to the professionals.
Hey, it's your ght to select where you live based on a state's adherence to the second amendment. May I suggest crazyfornia? They have some of the most draconian firearms laws our country has ever seen.
Granted, you might wanna avoid living anywhere the major metro areas, where crime is rampant, but the laws are in place there and the NRA has given california up for dead by now.
Please show me exactly where in the 2nd Ammendment the word musket appears. At the time this was written muskets were the mainline military arm and many civilians had rifles which were actually better than muskets. The intent is for the common citizenry to be able to defend this country from any agression whether it come from within or without.
Wouldn't it be SO much easier to have everyone that wants to carry in any public place? That means tens of thousands of free guards with concealed carry permits. Each of which would gladly lay down his life to help save the innocent.
One can no legislate sanity and certainly not legislate against terrorism. It exists. Take away the guns and only criminals and insane will use them (most will still have them because they will not lay them down..but using would cause them to be a criminal even if to save another's life..there are already cases in the US, England and Australia where this has happened to people....being arrested for saving lives.
Since legislation will not work..then turn it around.....arm people and get rid of the gun free zone of 1000 feet and voila....no more killing zone....no way to know who is a wolf, eagle or sheep.
This is nuts. You want to keep the crazies out of the school.....NOT shoot them once they get in. Gawd, no one ever thinks of the rational thing to do. Here it is. Double bullet proof doors on the entrance doors. You can get in the first set but cant get through the second set until someone lets you in. Next. Put steel, lock from the inside doors on all the classrooms and common areas. Keeping armed guards at a school is just stupid. Make the inside of the school and classrooms IMPOSIBLE for a crazy to get into. This dosent have to be about guns.
Hmm, what about when students bring weapons? What if the person looks normal and wants to pick up "their" kid, who is obviously lying and then when he is let in, starts shooting. I agree with what you say, but add 2 armed guards to do the screening and we are getting some where.
Or, instead of reactionary, we could be pro-active and provide better mental health services to everyone. If you treat the crazy, you eliminate the need to lock our children up (which in itself is quite dangerous, a fire hazard among other things) and deal with the actual problem, and not the symptom.
Canada is starting to look really good right about now.
Canada is a perpetually frozen socialist hell, where everyone speaks French.
Ignorant reply: the northwest passage is now open, the tundra thawing. The Canadian Rockies have some of the most beutiful scenery on the planet. You obviously don't know the meaning of the word "socialist" ... And French is spoken only in Quebec, not country wide. P'taK ...
Your moniker says it all......
Actually, Mad Dog, French IS spoken outside of Quebec. Hell, one can hear 170+ languages spoken in the Toronto area alone. And for what it's worth, I'm not even remotely ticked at I was – I think he's just being facetious.
Put the armed personnel in schools!!!! I'll step up and pay a little more in taxes to know that my children, and the children of my peers, are safer in schools so they can learn and grow properly. I would expect that everyone else, with or without children should want to invest in the safety of our future, our children.
Have you noticed that no matter how crazy and mentally ill these psychopaths are, they have enough sense to never go do their shootings in places with armed guards? You don't hear of mass shootings in banks, airports, or police stations, do you? It's not coincidental.
Columbine had an armed guard, who was actually a deputy in the Sheriff's department. Kleebold and Harris had murdered 1 and wounded 8 when they then exchanged gunfire with the guard. After that, they went in to the library where they murdered 12 and wounded 13 more. So much for an armed guard helping.
That is truly disturbing.
Maybe that's part of the reason? And, although it was fictional, Call of Duty Modern warfare 2 had a scene where there was a massacre at an airport. Of course, you could compare that terror group to a PMC
What has this nation evolved into? Politicians screaming to cut state budgets, lay teachers off and now they want to put armed guards in schools? We trade educators for guns? Who's going to be taxed for this? Or can we suddenly "find" the money in budgets for this? Who's going to be the first to scream when one of these "armed guards" goes off and starts their own massacre? Or when they try to stop a shooting and shoot someone innocent instead? Or when one of them is the first to be shot because the shooter knows where the armament is? We'll go to these extremes and yet won't pass ANY sensible gun regulations in an attempt to minimize the likelyhood of these thpe shootings occuring again. What type of country have we allowed ourselves to become?
Explain to me Ron, exactly what law will prevent Joe shooting you. Key word is prevent. You take my AR-15 because I registered. You ban 100% of all semi-auto weapons so that law-abiding citizens cant get them. Joe still gets one, Joe still walks up to your house in the middle of the day on a Saturday knocks on your door and shoots whoever answers it.
Explain to me what law will PREVENT that? And I will vote with you.
Yes Bob and today you are sane. Tomorrow your wife leaves you, or you lose your job, or flip out perscription pills, or maybe you just lose it over some politican's stupidity. Guarantee me 100% that you or anyone else owning weapons whose sole fucntion is to kill (not defend but to kill lots and lots of people) will remain sane and normal forever and we'll talk but you can't. I have a much more limited trust in mankind that you do apparently.
Hey Bob AR 15 should be banned, the cyclic rate of fire is too high for you civies, with the weapon, you are a accident waiting to happen, one really bad day and bam! a lot of dead people, don't matter how cool and level headed you think you are, civies should not be allowed to have these weapons period. Unless.....the concept is to have our civilian population fire power equeal that of the military??? is that the idea? i keep hearing that from time to time. AR 15 is a M16 period, just watered down a bit. Bob, I am pretty sure you know you can covert that thing to full auto pretty easy right? Thats why you love it so much, you fellas don't fool me one bit. Yall want that massive fire power cause you are under this concept that it will hit the fan. I could share concepts that would actually minimize this type of craziness in our schools, doesnt involve arming everyone doesnt involve posses. It is just plain ole common sense and supression systems, won't share what these violent supression systems consist of because folks would immediately start trying to devise ways to get around them. In the mean time don't hurt yourself or others with a know weapon of massive destruction and maximum killing potential.
Guard the bank money with guns. Heck with kids. They're on their own. If any of you people's kids had been killed in Sandy Hook, you'd wish a good guy at the school had a piece. Simple as that. Anyone says no is a liar. When life is in danger, no one chooses death. End of story.
If our congress is not going to act on dealing with the sale of deadly assault weapons in our society, then I don't believe for a minute that putting armed guards on school premises is a bad idea. What are we supposed to do, leave our kids unprotected again and susceptible to another deadly rampage? Worry about cost? Well, force the republicans to pay back the $5.3 trillion they wasted in two foreign wars and there you have it, the necessary funding we need to put arm guars in all schools nationwide. Furthermore, since tens of thousands of our war veterans are returning home without a job, why not employ them as armed security guards in our schools nationwide? Ask yourself this question...which is worst? Putting armed guars in all our schools nationwide or seeing our kids gun down again like those innocent kids in Newton??? Hey, its a no brainer.
There should be armed guards in schools, and to an extent there already are. However, to think that they will keep mass shootings or any shooting from happening at a school is silly. Just the same as banning assualt weapons will keep them out of the wrong hands. There are many illegal things in this country, yet they still exist.
People will not face the simple truth that no matter what you do, there will be innocent deaths.
Good guy with a gun can save lives. See: http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#/video/us/2013/01/09/tsr-dnt-mattingly-mom-shoots-intruder.cnn. The other option is let your kids get killed and yourself. Those who say they would rather not have owned a gun in this situation are liars. L I A R S.
I agree with you. But to further your point....innocent blood will always be shed while man has God given free will. So your answer is correct. We can't ever eliminate the killing of innocents, the best we can do is write laws that are strict about weapons purchases, so that those of us law abiding citizens can still own, and put some detterents in place to safeguard our future, our children.
Why dont you ask Obama why he approved teh sale of all those automatic weapons to the mexican cartels. Hes the biggest killer of them all!
Actuallythat would be big Pharma.
Slim-Jim You idiot, this is about guns and people killing our kids, and other innocent people. This isn't about a Mexican spec ops initiative gone bad. Quit mixing the two. Let's focus on the protection of our future and quit quibbling over gov't initiatives. And quit blaming President Obama for all of our countries problems. You are only adding to the problems.
Another Conservative conveniently forgetting history. When Obama made the stupid decision to sell guns to the Mexican drug cartels, he was continuing a policy started under Bush. So while you are correct in blaming Obama for innocent deaths, you really need to tell the whole story.
Fun fact, democrats voted for the wars as well. United we stand. I do agree with using ex-military personal as protection. as far as money goes guys...sorry everyone but if you look at our debt., We will have to raise taxes. Im definaintly ok with raising taxes enough to cover this cost
All the NRA talks about is how dangerous the USA is . The world thinks the USA is such a dangerous place. Our country is becoming as unstable and violent as the Middle East. How many criminals has the NRA caught? How is the NRA helping the police to make neighborhoods safer? How about teaching Americans to have safer neighborhoos by learning to live together in peace. Try talking to your neighbor, learning to trust your neighor, helping your neighor. Why all this talk about fear and bad guys?
Its not the NRA's job to protect us, Thier job is to keep the guns flowing and line thier pockets with the money they accept from gun and ammo companies.
The sad truth is that Americans need to arm themselves because their corrupt government has allowed the country to be turned into an overflowing cesspool of third world immigration. If America had the demographics of Switzerland there would be few problems. But, it doesn't. It's becoming one big ghetto. Thank the Democrats who seek to dispossess you by importing blocks of voters that will share a codependency with them. America is finished. It is already Balkanized. Now is the time to cut it up before a civil war decides the fate of those who survive it. The traitors in D.C. know this. That is why the urgency to disarm you. Secession is the only logical solution.
Amen. Take out the thugs and drug dealers and the amount of deaths drops significantly. Start doing better background checks on immigration or simply stop it. we dont have the jobs to support new people, get over it. I say we split this country. Half gets guns, half can have whatever King Obama wants. I'm ready to join the republic of texas!
It blows my mind that I breathe the same air as people like you. Do a little homework,a nd see that hardly any of these killings are comitted by a "Thug" or a "Drug Dealer." These are being comitted by people that appear to be no different from, (I want to say YOU) or me. Appearingly normal people, with slight reclusive personalities, killing with little or no warning. Let's put the blame squarly where it lies....... too manypeople aren't raising their kids with any values and standards anymore......everyone is free to think however they want, do whatever, and say whatever, as long as it is in the name of "Pursuit of Happiness." All of this is lacking any personal accountability whatsoever. Make the bed, enjoy your sleep.
Why don't you seceed or self deport then? Immigrants built this country and we don't need racists like you here. Please go away or shoot yourself.
Oh, quit blaming the government. You elected those corrupt people to office. If the government is so corrupt, why aren't you and others cleaning house and getting rid of them?. Have these killers been government employees? No, citizens of the USA. If you want a safe, friendly community, you the citizen of your community has to create it. This nation is what Americans created!! .
your an idiot....
What an ill-informed comment. Why can't you all do the rest of us a favor and secede from the Union. You can have your backward, intolerant, low-paying plutocracies all to yourself and let the rest of us get on with progressing.
So the lunatcs shooting up malls, cinemas and schools are all the fault of liberal immigration? You and SlimJim can polish each others "guns" with your mouths.
don't kid yourself. you were never a patriot.
You sir...are an idiot
You may get your wish, but not what you want.
You did mean secession from the Living, right?
Slim Jim's got your back though, maybe..
Teach your children paranoia. Instill fear in their young hearts.
You can't teach a dead child anything.
18 people have died from the flu this year. BAN IT! We need to pass legislation so the flu knows it is not welcome here.
Wait till somebody shoots your love ones and "ban" them from existence.
is your mom's basement cozey? TROLL
Hey Slim – if you don't like it here, you're always free to leave.
Sure slinjim, that would be the perfect place to blow your a$$ away.
I'm stunned at your level of ignorance. wow.
I am amazed at just how low the IQ of many Americans really is. Guns in schools? Guards? Ok who really thinks the nut who is heading out ot kill a lot of people will go to a school when all he/she as to do is head for any mall. Now what guns in malls?
Not to bring your whole world crashing down on you, but there are already armed guards in malls. Sorry to brust your rant...
Just to add onto your comment, anyone with a license to carry can take their gun into any shop they want.
not to mention they sell guns in malls....
No Bob, we'll call for armed guards in malls right after your family is gunned down while shopping. Walla, problem solved.
I love that everyone is in support of Obama banning guns but refused to acknowledge tht Obama knowlingly and willingly sold guns to Mexican Cartels in order for some of our border patrol agents to be killed. corruption at it's finest.
No, he sold guns to your mamma so she could take your dumb racist a$$ to the shooting range.
What a sad time in American History where we have to guard our children's school from being shot up by a madman.
Sad?...yes. New?...no. It has been this way for awhile.
TalktheTalk must be dyslexic. LOL!
Reinstatement of the right of the lawful citizen to carry a concealed weapon is the only gun legislation we need. Everything else is a feel good attempt that only affects the law abiding. Gun control is about as smart and effective as the TSA.
Balance the Federal Budget by not funding the ATF, the DEA, and the TSA. We don't need them and they do nothing more than contribute a job to the economy at the expense of the tax payers.
Talk about being ungrateful
Thats all we need is some rouge "security" personal shooting a student or parent or teacher or administrator!!! Who actually thinks up these ideas (NRA) that more guns equal less violence. Anybody else think that this just might be add a new incentive for someone bent on taking out their life's frustrations and thankfully killed as well? BTW- great recent article in the NY Times by Elisabeth Rosenthal about Latin American countries who figured "good guys with guns only equals some of the highest homicide rates in the world"
Second Amendment Religion anyone? Use guns to make a cross. Bullet for communion?
why must we turn are schools into prisons. might as well have every classroom with padded walls, bullet proof glass, bullet proof books, and cavity searches upon arrival..
school is suppose to be a fun and exciting environment, not something your forced to go to and participate in. no matter what you do,you cant teach the un willing.
we need to find an alternative way of schooling. for instance, asking kids what intrest them ( animals, machines,sports,star wars, etc ) . instead of sorting them out by age k 1st 2nd ............ this way the kids that have the same interests and can relate to each other.
You wanna fix schools look at Stuebenville. The Athlete and "popular" kids getting away with everything is what sparked columbine.
AMEN Part of the problem right there
Mmmmmmmmm... cavity searches
Want to bring the NRA to its knees demanding gun laws be changed? Every minority gun owner (Latin, Black, Oriental, Mideastern, etc.) join the NRA .... they will completely freak. Today's NRA is little more than what the KKK was years ago ....
You are so wrong. But worse, you don't even care.
I am a "minority" and a proud member of the NRA. Not once was i treated wrong or discriminated in that organization. Guns arent going anywhere and every one knows it. Ban on assault rifles at most, and if so all for it should be held responsible for the fallout of a very valuable asset to our economy.... the gun industry. also, good luck seizing the already 50-60 million assault rifles already in the streets of America now. more than any country has guns... HA!
we need to find an alternative way of schooling. for instance, asking kids what intrest them ( animals, machines,sports,star wars, etc ) . instead of sorting them out by age k 1st 2nd ............ this way the kids that have the same interests and can relate to each other. enough of the system of being told u have to do. not only will it prevent bullying but also bring great minds together..
I won't feel fully protected until I have a tank on my driveway to protect my family and a drone to make enact revenge on my enemies.
If we're talking about 2nd amendment rights here I would certainly consider a tank and a drone to be "arms" wouldn't you.
Hope you got a lot of money saved up for those... and a driveway big enough to hold your tank
No, Pat, we wouldn't. We're rational and reasonable and not an extremist, unlike you. Listen, I know you're afraid of guns and since they're not something YOU value, you don't care about the freedoms of others, but freedom means being tolerant of other people, Pat. I know it's not something you liberals do well, but you should try. Just so you know, tolerance doesn't mean "only if it's what I believe"...but that IS the liberal mindset.
WAIT!!....we still haven't heard from the Hollywood movie "actor" Matt Damon.....he knows all.
Don't hate on Damon just because his platform is bigger than yours.
his forehead is bigger than mine too
Yeah, they had ineffective pipe and propane bombs. None of them worked. Got another reply that actually carries some weight?
Over reaction is the American way. So if the next looney decides to shoot up a McDonalds are you gonna ask for guns there? What about a mall, gas station, library? The truth is there is no solution. Guns are too prevalent in our society, there isn't anyway to get rid of them and laws banning them wont stop a nutjob.
Last time I checked, there were security guards at malls, libraries, and many schools...
Armed ones? Where do you live? Cause I'm thinking visiting your 'cuz down at the local 'facility' where he gets 3 squares a day and an hour to work out isn't really what the rest of us consider a Mall, Library, or School...
I have two daughters in school and neither of them have said that the schools have any extra security measures. My youngest daughter is in middle school for the first time and she is very worried because she had never seen an armed officer on duty at the school during school hours before. After school started I had to ask around to find out why the officer was there and found out that this school has gangs, drugs and fights almost daily! I want to so badly take my daughters out of public school and home school them, but because of the economy I can't. I lost my job due to downsizing in February 2012 and had been unemployed since! I have bills pilling up, a car that is on it's last leg, lost my place of living, can't afford the basics (clothes, shoes, soap, etc!). I think we should put our veterans in charge of protecting our schools. They need some extra money, they have already defended our country!
In many states School Resource Officers (police officers stationed at high schools) already carry guns on school grounds. Show me how this has caused increased violence and bloodshed? Is the safety of our high school aged children more important than our elementary aged children?
Being recently retired LE my concern is the level, quality and consistency of the training. Our district has school officers assigned to the 2 public HS and the 3 public middle schools. They have one officer for the 20 elementaries. They handle a case load as well as provide security. If individual's training meets so very high standards I don't have a problem with it. I do think it is too much though. The chances of an incident at a particular school, even a particular school district is so low it will really not be effective. We will never stop all of these types of occurrances. Our resources would be much better used to prevent by focusing on those vulnerable kids and mental health issues. People who do these types of things will just move on to another target. What about daycares? It just goes on and on.
Here's an interesting fact i noticed as i walked to the gym the other day. every building has some sort of security measure. Subway has cameras and silent alarms, same with the gym. The gas station has cameras, an alarm, and bulletproof glass. even ma' and pa's restaurant has security alarms and cameras. but schools have what ... nothing. So you go to subway and they have 2 security measures in place, but schools have nothing. And you wonder why incidents like CT happen. IDIOTS.
I have never been in a school that does not have cameras and a security system.
I agree. We are ignorant when it comes to security in schools, even after 9/11. The recent violence and "gun-free" zones merely point out what a soft target schools are, not only for whack jobs, but for terrorists as well. We'll be serious about security for a month or two after Sandy Hook, but then do nothing. My local public school doesn't even have parking blocks. A nut could literally drive into the parking lot, across the lawn and right through any of the classrooms that face outward. Don't leave principals and teachers to do the planning - they can't conceive of the evil they need to prevent.
How pathetic and what a disgrace to be talking about armed guards in schools. What does it say about this so called great country of ours? What does it say about ourselves? The country is doomed to eventually fail.
Sal, it says we care enough to protect our kids. Armed guards patrol banks, shopping malls, hospitals and other facilities on a daily basis. There hasn't been a public outcry about what it says about our country. Reason? It's protecting people. As some have mentioned, many schools already have armed police officers working at schools as resource officers. It helps resolve issues between students and stands as a deterrent for someone coming into the school. I suspect if a patrol car or other visible armed presence were in place at schools, there would be fewer incidents of violence there.
Agreed. If the school my hold was going to, had armed "volunteers" or "security officers", I'd be home
schooling. Who determines how balanced any of those people are? I don't think the
answer is a complete gun ban, but don't know why anyone needs military style assault weapons unless they are
in a gang or a drug dealer( clearly I'm not saying they should have them either) . If they are only shooting them at a gun range, why can't they all be left there?
The mother of the school shooter had the guns for supposive protection, that didn't really work out too well for her, did it?
NRA math: 3.3 million elementary and middle-school teachers in America as of 2011 = 3.3 million more guns sold. What a windfall for the gun manufacturers. Stupidest idea ever.
We could arm them with confiscated handguns from drug dealers. They just get destroyed anyway. Cost $0. Be part of the solution.
And I bet all those new security guards that get hired in schools, they will get paid minimum wage, have a limited or new background checks and no training because it will go to the cheapest supplier. BUT they will be required to full card carry member in good standing of the NRA
You really have nothing to add, do you? Do you realize that if only a single person at a school is armed it creates a "possibility." And if a possibility exists, that's enough to deter many attackers. That's why an armed air marshall doesn't need to ride on every flight. Just the fact that he could be sitting next to you creates a possibility. It's a deterrent. Try using your head instead of your emotions.
Maybe if you just arm the children, then they can protect themselves.
What the heck, you can even have gunshop class, and they can make their own.
My brain hurts, this is all so hard to figure out.sob, sob...
Why is everyone trying to take my guns away?
It is sad that these sick people come into the schools to kill but lets face it as it is a reality that some people will kill . I just read an article or a news station reported on a local school that just installed a lock down system . Camera's sensors locked doors etc . Along with multi remote access terminals etc being monitored all school day long !!!. I think its an awesome idea ! But what if we know the person who is being buzzed in ? That's where school policy has to play to allow ONLY students and teachers in a building during the day , schedule service after hours or make sure escorts are provided during school hours for legitimate emergencies . Also if someone showed up with a weapon they can see this and right away make a 911 call . Maybe a Metal detector outside of the locked areas ? Not sure just an idea ! There are ways we can fix this but everyone MUST be onboard to the fact that the kids need to stay protected by the most invisible means . Remember they are kids , and we should not be instilling fear into them to go to school . I praise anyone who thinks of the kids first and other distractions secondly . Our kids are ther MOST important thing we have been give by God and its our obligation to protect them to th4e fullest !!
Sure Merlin, kiss the kids and send em off to prison for the day. Sounds good. Mental health is the problem. Not caring about your next door neighbor is the problem. Political correctness is the problem. How bout we hire a school psychologist, and let teachers (who actually spend 6 hours a day with these kids) alert the psychologist to who needs some extra attention. Maybe try to get to the bottom of the problem that is bothering these kids to the point that they decide to shoot someone(s).
We arrive in rusty 1964 motorhomes.
We bring our bibles and loaded assault weapons.
We wear ridiculous clothing and have teabags dangling from our earlobes.
We carry misspelled racist signs as we stomp all over the White House lawn.
We are Sarah Palin's 'real Americans'.
We love the baby jesus but we love to boink our cousins even more.
We believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that early man walked with the dinosaurs.
We believe that nascar is a real sport and that Dale Earnhardt was a great American athlete.
We are the birthers. We are the tea party.
We are republicans. We are morons... we are proud.
Imagine what they would say about you. If you dont have anything good to say you should keep that hole in your face shut.
can't handle the truth, can you?
Larry... I see that your trailer park manager is letting you play with his computer again today.
Actually I practice what I preach.
I could list out a long list of negative stereotypes and connotations for those that have a left leaning agenda. They would not be pretty and I have no doubt you know them already. I wont because I don't have to drop down to your 8th grade level.
Best of luck to you making in meaningful contribution to this problem that needs to be solved.
you must be speaking for your family????
You've GOT to be kidding me, PalinTwit. Are you serious? If you don't think there is at least as long a list of ridiculous (and true) things about people in your party then you're really an truly an idiot. The difference, as others have noted, is we're not going to bother with the list. One thing that your party DOES excel in, however, is hypocrisy. Oh, and let's add being thoroughly vile and hateful to the list as well.
I believe your right wing teabag republican party is the vile. You discriminate against every American who doesn't look like you or support your gun/bible toting agenda. You have spread your bigotry, racism and hate across the country for the past four years and divided this country with you racist envy Jim Crow agenda. You party needs to be extinct from civilization.
I always get a kick whenever I see wannabe storm-troopers playing the victim card.
I want to point out that no matter what gun laws you put into place, or what guns are outlawed, it will never stop a crazy person from doing something crazy. In the Colorado incident (families are still in my prayers), the guns used were just the tip of the iceberg. These crazy people will result to bombs or other means of mass destruction. Every week I read about horrific bombings in other countries, some of which have extremely tight gun laws. The sad truth is that crazy people will kill large groups of people regardless of any law that is in place. No matter if you are a Gun Nut or anti-guns, right wing or left wing, liberal or conservative... mass murder will not be stopped by arguing about laws. Find the reason why these people snap and commit the crimes they do and only then can you begin to prevent a tragedy.
You mean spend time and money one people with mental health problem! Rather than react to the horrific damage they do. You're either Canadian of a reasonable intelligent person. Unfortunately in this country we don't spend money on preemptive problem solving. We'd rather wait until it become a bigger problem and then react.
I have been in education 25 years. I would trust none of my principals to save a child
from a shooter with a gun. Only one would have had the backbone to do it.
Or the ability to aim, I'll bet.
2 days after Newtown in Texas gunman shoots up ex-girlfriends place of business, everyone runs across the street into a movie house with gunman in hot pursuit. He enters shooting and an armed off duty police officer shoots and kills gunman saving 100's of lifes.........Solution to Bad people with guns is good people with guns. PERIOD! nobody hears that story.
Why do I have to hear of this from a comment section? CNN wont blast that story all over its agenda filled pages for weeks on end.
Notice the term "off duty police" That person had training. In the Arizona shooting in 2011, another armed citized (not law enforcement) almost shot the hero by mistake after he disarmed the gunman. Not every yahoo iwith a gun s trained to deal with these type of situations. Leave it to the professionals.
How about Guns, Arm guards, Posses at Day Care? Mall? Gas station? Church? Restaurant? Bar (real good idea)? Hotel? Resorts? Gym? Clinics? Supermarket? and etc ... Hell it's a war zone. Live in fear people, live in fear. "I need guns to protect my family" as the saying goes. Hell, just closed down all the police stations in this nation since everyone is armed. Forget 9-1-1 and just act on yourself.
Don't worry. We'll put armed guards in all these places after your lovely family is murdered in cold blood.
The wild wild west. Yee Haw!!!
How about we just split the damn country in half. half who want guns lives in that part. half that hates guns lives in the other part. Problem solved. i voted for Obama, now i regret it. so did a lot of dems. it'll be a 50/50 split real quick. its that or pass the law and have it be 1776 again. And before you say omg you're a psycho, read a text book. the events happening in our country right now are the same before the american revolution, french revolution, and russian revolution. America either says whatever have guns we'll fix the country, or civil war. It's King Obama's choice.
Is that Arsh or A$$? Why don't you go jump off a f-ing bridge or better yet, shoot yourself?
I'm so glad my kids came through school at a time when armed guards were never contemplated or necessary. I think if faced with today's reality, I would probably home school or organize a neighborhood school co-op. I wouldn't want my kids attending a school where someone decided armed guards (or armed volunteers) would be visible to my kids.
when i was in high school, back in the early 2000's people still had guns. people didn't hate them and refuse to understand them. America had less shootings before for 2 reasons. 1. less people. more people results in more problems. 2. more guns. the % of gun owners was higher. as less and less people own guns and understand them more and more incidents will happen. its simple math. More people means more crimes, and more guns means as a criminal you have a higher chance of getting shot by someone in self defense. Texas has signifcantly less gun crimes than Chicago. Why? Because in Chicago your chance of someone shooting back is low. In Texas there is a pretty good chance that anyone you encounter has a gun. Criminals are cowards, they don't wanna get hurt.
Arsh, Amen to the fact that Criminals are Cowards. I live and grew up in Texas and am retired Army. Texas will continue to have lower violent crime levels than other areas as long as WE KEEP OUR GUNS, look at Australia, I was there just after they took the law abiding citizens guns. Crime went up 600% because the criminals had free pickings. Here criminals wonder Hey I may get shot if I try to rob her/him.
we never had an armed posse at our school, but there was a police offer assigned to each school in our district... the one at our school was a really good guy and all the kids loved him. there was not an ounce of fear in anyone because he was there with a gun on his hip... and sure he was never called into duty to pull his gun on someone, but i for one wouldve been the first to thank him for being there if something terrible ever happened.
We need t put any mororn who thinks guns in school is a good idea on the training course for police officers. Let's see how many of them can kill all the bad guys without hitting even one good guy. Guns in school is perhaps one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. I predict it'll last until the first teacher inadvertantly kills a student they're trying to protect.
Sidwell Friends School, a posh private school in the DC area, has 11 armed guards and are looking for a 12th. Since the election of President Obama, they also have a Secret Service detail. The President chose Sidwell, in part, BECAUSE of their security.
Apparently he think guns in schools are a GREAT idea.
you can't possibly equate a private school that caters to the elite with a public school. apples and oranges. use the brains God gave you.
I predict that they will save lives. You wont see the story here at CNN but I am going say there will be a ratio of 10000(or more) to 1 that armed guards will stop violence vs accidentally harming someone.
I bet there is already proof out there, lots of it. Armed guards in schools is nothing new. Lots of places already have them. I guess reporters these days are not paid to do investigative reporting and dig this info up? They are to busy pushing the left agenda.
speaking of morons.
By NRA or Lapierre's math ...ALL gun owners should check ☼ each other ☼ = checkmate!
problem solved without the loss of innocent lives.
Makes each gun owner carry a minimum of $1 million in accidental death and property damage for each weapon he hoards.
and if you get caught without proper insurance its automatic jail time for being an unlicensed criminal.
Wow, YOU are really on the fringe aren't you? Here's how you can tell...NONE of your dopie ideas will ever even be considered by even this ridiculously liberal administration. You're a crackpot. Listen, I know you're all full of liberal angst and wringing your hands with fear about Evil Guns, but they're just a tool. It's good that you don't have one, because I don't think you're a rational person, but in the hands of responsible people (and millions and millions of us are grown up and responsible) they're just fine.
Jesus Christ, Robert, what set you off? You're on a hair trigger. Whew.
Look, more people die from police tazers than from being shot by police. Manyt states do NOT allow residents to own or use tazers...why because they are too dangerous ...and too effective. Someone may actually stop a criminal.
THe truth is simple. If you nave a "weapons free zone" then you have a "killing field". You can not legisalte sanity and certainly not legislate against terrorism. Therefore the killing field exists...it will be used.
Mandate guns instead...all teachers and staff must carry at all times. All parents and those with legal business there and concealed permits MUST carry when on shcool grounds. No more sheep. No more killing fileds. There is NO in between. If one knows that there is no ability to react then they have full riegn over the situtation. This is the problem.
Ask anyon from any country that has removed the right to bear arms. All of these types of incidents started when that right was taken away. Look it up. there is pleanty of evidence that the issue is the no weapon zone itself.
dumbest comment of the day goes to the dumbest username of the world..... KUDOS!!
Look at the stats people. According to FBI data, in 2011 there were 12,664 weapon related murders. Of those 8,583 (49%) we caused by handguns, and 323 (3%) by rifles 356 (3%) by shotguns. Knife related deaths was 1,694 (13%) and last but not least Hands, Fists and Feet related deaths were 728 (6%).
Why do AR type rifles get all the blame? Because they are "scary" looking? The real issue is handguns, yet no one ever talks about that...
arming principals or others in schools will not help- the Newtown shooter broke a window and entered through a non-entrance- by the time the armed guard got there, he would have already been shooting and would have shot them too.
what, now there will be a requirement tthat before you can qualify to be a principal, you must have swat training and be a qualified marksman???? what does that have to do with being a good educator?
and what about those whose religious or moral beliefs prevent them from carrying firearms or using them? they can no longer teach or be principals?
not a well thought out proposal-– and likely to cause more harm than good. do you really want to send your child to an armed camp and claim that is normal for school?
keep in mind some of the educator staff at Columbine were armed, and it didn't stop anything.
Actually, if the principal in CT had a gun, she could have stopped the shooter. She heard gun shots and immediately went to where the shots were fired to try to stop the gunman. A gun in HER hand absolutely could have stopped this maniac from killing so many children.
Her office was just down the hallway and she was there very quick. 2-3 adults came down to the room very quickly. If they were all armed even better. The victims were shot multiple times eventually. Had 1 or 2 been shot once they may have lived if the shooter was stopped quickly.
So much emotions gets in the way of simple logic.
You are wrong. The principle was the first responder. Had she put the shooter down there would probably been a drastic difference. Maybe only a few wounded and a dead shooter.
What religion says you cant carry a firearm?
I would LOVE it if my kids private "religious" school had a armed guard or armed principle.
Larry, you are jumping the gun here, they werent making it a requirement, they were suggesting it. and in a perfect world with no bad men i would agree with you, but we are humans, we are stupid and most of all violent. so if we can train a few people, good people to watch over students such as myself and ensure safety while we learn, we will have peace of mind. no one suggested having us learn in a wide observed area with maachine guns trained on us to make sure no violence occurs. but a well trained and responsible gun owner can save lives. did you hear about the school shooting in oregon? of course you didnt because an armed vice principal stopped it before casualties were made
You are speaking to the wrong person. I am 100% for armed guards, armed principle and fully allowing any teacher to get a CCW permit. All of them should have proper training and background checks, which for the teachers and principle already happens just so they cant teach.
Gun free school zones are nothing be easy victim zones. That mentally deranged coward that did this knew he would not be stopped before he could do a lot of damage. Low fruit hanging for these nut jobs that are hell bent on violence.
It is simple logic.
Your post may contain several fallacies.
The perp came through the front door. The broken window was probably due to first responders later.
Also, BTW, the shooter left his "evil" Bushmaster .223 in the vehicle and never actually brought it into the building.
TRUH. CNN itself reported it in early articles but later changed it to biasly push their own agenda on naive readers.
Truth Being if you read the accounts fully He came in thru the front door by shooting out the door and everyone was killed by the rifle Official findings of the Medical Examiner
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