My View: Mental health services make schools safer
Springfield, Oregon, mourned after a student shot and killed two and injured dozens more at Thurston High School in 1998.
January 16th, 2013
05:00 AM ET

My View: Mental health services make schools safer

Courtesy Cathy PaineBy Cathy Paine, Special to CNN

Editor’s note: Cathy Paine is a school psychologist in Springfield, Oregon, and chairwoman of the National Emergency Assistance Team for the National Association of School Psychologists. She was a panelist at the White House Summit on School Violence Prevention in 2006.

This week, Schools of Thought publishes perspectives on school security. Tomorrow, a school resource officer explains his role in campus security.

(CNN) - I received the emergency call at 8:14 a.m. on May 21, 1998.

Eighteen minutes earlier, a 15-year-old student had entered Thurston High School armed with two handguns and a semi-automatic rifle, and in a matter of seconds, killed two students and wounded 25 more, some sustaining life-long injuries. As a school psychologist in Springfield, Oregon, I was called because of my role on the district’s crisis response team. In a few short moments, we were transformed from innocent, unsuspecting individuals engaged in our normal routines into traumatized victims of a school shooting spree.

Those shots shattered our sense of safety and security; no longer could we say, “It can’t happen here.” While nothing in my 23 years of experience in education prepared me for the magnitude of that horrifying event, my training as a school psychologist did prepare me to know how to respond in the moment and to provide counseling support to students and staff in the days, weeks and months of recovery. The experience also reinforced for me how critically important mental health is to all aspects of the school safety and violence prevention continuum.

Since then, I have devoted significant energy to advocating for effective school safety, crisis prevention and intervention strategies at the local and national levels as a member of my district crisis team and as a member and chairwoman of the National Association of School Psychologists’ National Emergency Assistance Team. In both roles, I have learned some important lessons about what works, lessons I strongly believe should be our guiding principles as the nation grapples (once again) with the question, “How to we keep our students safe?” in the aftermath of the heartbreaking events at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

First, schools are among the safest places for children and youth and as educators. We must continue to reinforce this message for our staff, families and students. Gun violence is extremely rare. More common threats to student well-being come in the form of bullying and harassment and we need to ground our focus on school safety in preventing these more prevalent risks.

Second, we must balance measures to ensure both physical and psychological safety. The fact remains, intruder-based violence like that in Newtown, Connecticut, is extremely rare and also extremely difficult to prevent. Solutions that may seem most obvious and simple, such as more metal detectors and armed security, might not be most effective. We know with certainty that schools cannot barricade against all possible harm and trying to do so is counterproductive to maintaining a healthy learning environment. Excessive building security does not promote a sense of safety or student well-being, nor does it provide a guarantee when an armed intruder is willing to die. Reasonable physical security must be combined with violence prevention, which is a day-in, day-out responsibility that infuses every aspect of school life.

Third, schools need trained school safety and crisis teams and plans that are consistently reviewed and practiced. Training should encompass ongoing prevention and early intervention as well as response and recovery in the event the unpreventable occurs. Plans and training should facilitate collaboration with first responders and community providers. Teams should include key administrators, security personnel, school mental health professionals and other relevant staff. A primary goal should be to reinforce learning as well as safety.

Fourth, we need to provide adequate access to mental health services and supports in schools and communities. In most places, this means increasing services provided by school-employed professionals. Only a fraction of students in need actually receive mental health services, and among those who do, the majority access those services in school.

Nevertheless, in many schools, the availability of school-based mental health professionals remains inadequate to meet the needs of our children and youth. School psychologists and other school employed mental health professionals are often the first point of referral for students and families. We provide assessments and direct counseling, as well as work with families and teachers to provide cohesive interventions and supports. This often includes serving on the school safety and crisis teams to ensure appropriate assessment of and interventions for students at risk for harmful behaviors. Additionally, collaboration between school and community mental health services providers is essential needed to meet the range of mental health needs of our families.

Fifth, we must continue to focus on how we build and maintain safe school environments that promote learning, psychological health and student success. We must balance physical security with efforts that foster student resiliency, connectedness and social competency. Central to this effort is helping students and their families feel valued and personally invested in keeping their school safe. This relates to teaching codes of conduct, bullying prevention, conflict resolution, personal responsibility, respect and compassion. Promoting trusting student-adult relationships is critical to students feeling safe and empowered to report potentially dangerous activity (including threats of violence and suicide), which is one of our most effective school safety strategies.

A school psychologist was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary and, until and even in the moment of her death, Mary Sherlach exemplified the critical role that school psychologists and school counselors serve in our schools. Mary served students through her work in conflict resolution, positive school climate, crisis intervention and student instruction. Had she not died, Mary would be serving in the same crisis response and recovery role that I served nearly 15 years ago. This would include providing support for teachers and guiding them to help students return to class and a fledgling sense of normalcy; assessing and providing support to students with trauma reactions; educating and supporting families; coordinating services provided in school by community crisis and trauma experts; and consulting with the principal on the characteristics and stages of recovery for students and staff.

There is no single or simple solution to making our schools safe. It is a multi-faceted, on-going effort that requires commitment and participation from all stakeholders. Any act of school violence is unacceptable; so too is failing to act with clarity and diligence on the lessons learned from so many tragedies. Our challenge is to put that knowledge into universal, permanent practice.

The opinions expressed are solely those of Cathy Paine.

What do you think? Read more perspectives on school security, and share your thoughts in the comments section.

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  1. Input Welcome

    Working Draft: Re: Letter to the President

    NOTE: Your constructive input is welcome.

    We, the people are deeply concerned about the following, which we request, as we the people, your immediate attention to if at all possible. The reason that we make this immediate request is due to the very real concern for the safety, well-being, and protection from harm of mental patients of all ages, religions, nationalities, gender, race, and ethnicity, etc., and disabilities in light of the recent tragedies that has placed a huge amount of blame on autistic persons, and mandates signed by you that could be construed to violate the rights of the mentally ill and their families.

    Historically, the mentally ill have been treated poorly in this country, much like those whom the revered civil rights leaders of our great country challenged all to provide equal opportunity, education, rights, judicial access and fairness of courts, legal systems, education, schools, jobs, housing, health care, etc.. Today, we are asking you to do the same for the mentally ill and their families, communities, and society as a whole (as all could be disabled from mental illness at some point in their lives – and historically – most are).

    While the power and politics of the system within which the responsibility for mental health practices, procedures, and policies encompasses many whom benefit and thrive, many of the patients and much of society are made to suffer the greatest of burdens and sorrow because of it.

    There are many reasons why so many suffer at the hands of the current mental health system, as you may well know. It is widely considered to be a system of care that is very deeply flawed by those whom are aware of the true realities of the way things really are in the mental health system, and/or the reasons and reasoning as to why the system is so flawed. To ask the patients to suffer through not only their illness, healing, recovery, and management of their illness at the same time that they must also suffer at the hands of this deeply flawed system places an inordinately undue and unhealthy burden and suffering on not only them, but on the whole of society as well.

    President Obama, the most obvious need that is not being considered in the last few weeks national affairs, in which you have so immediately made sweeping changes to the rights bestowed upon all of this great nation of independently minded souls, was one of the deep rooted anger that exists in the USA today, be it toward the mentally ill or gun rights issues or whatever. To single either one or whatever out for discrimination in signed action that will, in essence, limit the future and rights of every single citizen of this great nation, only serves to invite further victimization, discrimination and prejudice against all deemed to be or made to be in any group of similarly classified individuals. As outlined in the laws of this land, which you have sworn to uphold, and to which your pledge we honor as you do ours, as a united 'we the people' governed under a respected and trusted unifying law of the land, we humbly ask you to reconsider your recent actions under the same wisdom you value by your honor chosen mentors, and to whom, we thoughtfully agree to their mission of freedom and equality for all.

    The restrictions you have placed on the rights of the mentally ill are a closing of the door to the rights you honor with your pledge to defend, honor, and uphold for ALL citizens of the USA. We question the possibility now allowed that many might fall prey to those whom may wish to exploit and / or harm those with disabilities and related, or as ill guided control, or weapon of discrimination and prejudicial policies, practices, and procedures against any made to fall into this category of citizens or deemed to be in this category of citizen. This is now a great burden to all, and places many at further risk of harm, discrimination and prejudice, as you could well imagine given the need for revered leaders and movements throughout the ages.

    It is hard to imagine how banning guns can be such a problem, yet forcing the banning of guns on those at the mercy of a mental health system that is not prepared to deal fairly with such power to control, discriminate, and cause harm, exploitation, nor the loss of protected rights throughout the entire system of education, judicial, employment, military, health care, mental health care, security systems and officers, society as a whole and as individuals, families, communities, churches, non-profit groups, universities, the agencies set up to regulate all that can cause mental illness in our foods, water, medicine, practices, procedures, and policies, and ALL can be and ARE AT MERCY of this type illness and treatment without legal representation and supports, and a fair and equal judicial system, that this could truly be ok.

    Therefore, we the people, request humbly and with post haste to amend to these signed actions provisions that will allow for the furthering of reasoning throughout all levels of the greatest government system put in place by the people, for the people, and for which we are all pledged to honor and protect and defend as USA citizens of this great and wonderful land of which we know, that you, our chosen leader, will be able to see the wisdom of your forefathers and revered leaders and mentors as being the only true way for our nation to be for the people, by the people. Thank you and God Bless you in your leadership and wisdom as you guide this grand nation through four more years of being a nation built on the wisdom of many.

    Sincerely and with Deepest Respect,

    'We the People', USA
    January 20, 2013

    January 21, 2013 at 4:03 am |
    • Dave Wiant

      It should be a well-known fact that the NRA does not represent the majority of the gun owners in this country. Solutions to our crisis of gun violence are not a major issue in regard to the NRA. Gun regulation if needed, is only small part of a complicated and varied set of resolutions. The NRA is making a big deal out of this for its fundraising efforts. They are using the same tired scare tactics they always use to get money. In short, if the government regulates one gun they will come to take all guns away. Their argument is not relevant to the issue that faces the American people. The NRA needs to take a back seat and stop grandstanding to get money. We have real problems that need adult conversation and legislative study and possible action. The gun issue is a small part of this situation.

      January 22, 2013 at 10:42 am |
      • we the people representative

        Are there specific ideas for improvements that you have that might improve the content of the letter – or the scope for the letter. i am going to refer the prez to this site – for all the good ideas presented so far – and inspiration in part for this letter.

        January 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
  2. agree

    new name for the mental health system ... mentally accused entrap-ment system

    January 20, 2013 at 3:09 am |
  3. humberto

    Recently a child in kindergarden, was mugged by schools officials for three hours before her parents were notified about what she said at a bus stop? Political theater at the expense of the child of tender years.

    January 20, 2013 at 2:26 am |
    • agree

      did another kindergardener accuse her to begin with?
      or the mom with jealousy, gender, religious, or racial issues, etc.???

      January 20, 2013 at 2:45 am |
      • humberto

        Kindergarden children are like parrots, they mimic what the see. Because of the political theater, She was used.

        January 20, 2013 at 3:31 am |
      • agree

        sad – everyone has this vulnerability now – more massively than even the jews did in WWII

        January 20, 2013 at 3:34 am |
      • and possibly setup

        ALL are vulnerable – and the reality is it does happen – especially by the most powerful – or most powerful wannabes – wait – now they are well on their way to taking full control in a perfect world full of intentional chaos – these very same most powerful – not a good time for USA

        January 20, 2013 at 3:41 am |
      • agree

        with only a small percentage of votes over 50 – the prez needs to consider ALL – and not take away rights without a full process check for balance (needs to do this by law any way) – pronto – before any more harmed for any reason as outcome of his decisions

        January 20, 2013 at 3:47 am |
  4. humberto

    It goes against all reason to send healthy child to a school that claims it has a mental health counselor.
    They probably don't even have a nurse anymore.

    January 20, 2013 at 2:05 am |
    • humberto

      The nurse used to give health classes on hygiene and first aid. Instead now have political witches to make things worse and second guess what happened.

      January 20, 2013 at 2:13 am |
      • humberto

        Just like shysters.

        January 20, 2013 at 2:15 am |
    • agree

      Agree – this person would have the ability to destroy any child's life with one fail swoop of an uncontestable judgment.
      How many people get a chance to actually review their records for errors – and have a way to successfully correct any errors? How many people are upset when talking to mental health worker – and have to trust the professional to not get upset as well because they are upset? What is the point of counselors if they are now judge, jury, and prosecutor – without any sign on their door saying that's what they are – nor a lawyer to represent your rights just to talk to the counselor? I don't think the prez thought through his actions very well – not if he has made that decision to destroy ALL trust in the mental health system now ...
      After every session with a mental health professional – it has now become an extreme imperative that the patient request a copy of their records to see what has been written – otherwise – this person has too much uncontested control that is not allowed anyone else in this nation with rights protected for all.

      January 20, 2013 at 2:19 am |
      • agree

        every mental health professional would now require a lawyer – and insurance to provide each patient with a lawyer to represent them against the professional – and judges and a court system that is not prejudicial, discriminatory, and does not have conflict-of-interests. Otherwise it is not USA legal – just hogwash

        January 20, 2013 at 2:53 am |
      • agree

        just another example of how the mental health system is so massively broken and unable to provide healthy services and supports – and an example of how it has gotten to be that way

        January 20, 2013 at 2:57 am |
      • humberto

        What service and support did mental health have to do with labeling a black human as non human for the courts. Their science is political and corrupt. They just tote the line.

        January 20, 2013 at 3:39 am |
      • agree

        if they are even toting the line – consider yourself lucky
        what do you think of the letter to the prez I am currently working on from 'We the People' below – your input is welcome

        January 20, 2013 at 3:52 am |
  5. humberto

    Toot toot

    January 20, 2013 at 1:51 am |
  6. firenun

    they should of used body work. ugh

    January 19, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
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    January 19, 2013 at 1:56 am |
  8. DearPrez

    hi

    to be continued ...

    January 18, 2013 at 8:59 am |
    • DearPrez

      We, the people are deeply concerned about the following, which we request, as we the people, your immediate attention to is at all possible.

      to be cont.

      January 18, 2013 at 9:01 am |
      • DearPrez

        We, the people are deeply concerned about the following, which we request, as we the people, your immediate attention to if at all possible. The reason that we make this immediate request is due to the very real concern for the safety, well-being, and protection from harm of mental patients of all ages, religions, nationalities, gender, race, and ethinicity, etc., and disabilities in light of the recent tragedies that has placed a huge amount of blame on autistic persons, and mandates signed by you that could be construed to violate the rights of the mentally ill and their families.

        January 18, 2013 at 9:15 am |
      • continued

        Historically, the mentally ill have been treated poorly in this country, much like those whom the revered civil rights leaders of our great country challenged all to provide equal opportunity, education, rights, judicial access and fairness of courts, legal systems, education, schools, jobs, housing, health care, etc.. Today, we are asking you to do the same for the mentally ill and their families, communities, and society as a whole (as all could be disabled from mental illness at some point in their lives – and historically – most are).

        January 18, 2013 at 9:41 am |
      • try6continued

        testing ... to be continued ...

        January 18, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
      • try7continued

        While the power and politics of the system within which the responsibility for mental health practices, procedures, and policies encompassess many whom benefit and thrive, many of the patients and much of society are made to suffer the greatest of burdens and sorrow because of it.

        January 18, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
      • continued

        There are many reasons why so many suffer at the hands of the current mental health system, as you may well know. It is widely considered to be a system of care that is very deeply flawed by those whom are aware of the true realities of the way things really are in the mental health system, and/or the reasons and reasoning as to why the system is so flawed. To ask the patients to suffer through not only their illness, healing, recovery, and management of their illness at the same time that they must also suffer at the hands of this deeply flawed system places an inordinately undue and unhealthy burden and suffering on not only them, but on the whole of society as well.

        January 18, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
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        January 19, 2013 at 1:57 am |
      • ...

        The restrictions you have placed on the rights of the mentally ill are a closing of the door to the rights you honor with your pledge to defend, honor, and uphold for ALL citizens of the USA. We question the possibility now allowed that many might fall prey to those whom may wish to exploit and / or harm those with disabilities and related, or as ill guided control, or weapon of discrimination and prejudicial policies, practices, and procedures against any made to fall into this category of citizens or deemed to be in this category of citizen. This is now a great burden to all, and places many at further risk of harm, discrimination and prejudice, as you could well imagine given the need for revered leaders and movements throughout the ages.

        January 19, 2013 at 2:04 am |
      • WorkingLetterToPrez

        We, the people are deeply concerned about the following, which we request, as we the people, your immediate attention to if at all possible. The reason that we make this immediate request is due to the very real concern for the safety, well-being, and protection from harm of mental patients of all ages, religions, nationalities, gender, race, and ethnicity, etc., and disabilities in light of the recent tragedies that has placed a huge amount of blame on autistic persons, and mandates signed by you that could be construed to violate the rights of the mentally ill and their families.

        Historically, the mentally ill have been treated poorly in this country, much like those whom the revered civil rights leaders of our great country challenged all to provide equal opportunity, education, rights, judicial access and fairness of courts, legal systems, education, schools, jobs, housing, health care, etc.. Today, we are asking you to do the same for the mentally ill and their families, communities, and society as a whole (as all could be disabled from mental illness at some point in their lives – and historically – most are).

        While the power and politics of the system within which the responsibility for mental health practices, procedures, and policies encompasses many whom benefit and thrive, many of the patients and much of society are made to suffer the greatest of burdens and sorrow because of it.

        There are many reasons why so many suffer at the hands of the current mental health system, as you may well know. It is widely considered to be a system of care that is very deeply flawed by those whom are aware of the true realities of the way things really are in the mental health system, and/or the reasons and reasoning as to why the system is so flawed. To ask the patients to suffer through not only their illness, healing, recovery, and management of their illness at the same time that they must also suffer at the hands of this deeply flawed system places an inordinately undue and unhealthy burden and suffering on not only them, but on the whole of society as well.

        The restrictions you have placed on the rights of the mentally ill are a closing of the door to the rights you honor with your pledge to defend, honor, and uphold for ALL citizens of the USA. We question the possibility now allowed that many might fall prey to those whom may wish to exploit and / or harm those with disabilities and related, or as ill guided control, or weapon of discrimination and prejudicial policies, practices, and procedures against any made to fall into this category of citizens or deemed to be in this category of citizen. This is now a great burden to all, and places many at further risk of harm, discrimination and prejudice, as you could well imagine given the need for revered leaders and movements throughout the ages.

        January 19, 2013 at 2:18 am |
      • ...

        It is hard to imagine how banning guns can be such a problem, yet forcing the banning of guns on those at the mercy of a mental health system that is not prepared to deal fairly with such power to control, discriminate, and cause harm, exploitation, nor the loss of protected rights throughout the entire system of education, judicial, employment, military, health care, mental health care, security systems and officers, society as a whole and as individuals, families, communities, churchs, non-profit groups, universities, the agencies set up to regulate all that can cause mental illness in our foods, water, medicine, practices, procedures, and policies, and ALL can be and are at mercy of this type illness, that this could truly be ok.

        January 19, 2013 at 5:03 am |
      • ...

        Therefore, we the people, request humbly and with post haste to amend to these signed actions provisions that will allow for the furthering of reasoning throughout all levels of the greatest government system put in place by the people, for the people, and for which we are all pledged to honor and protect and defend as USA citizens of this great and wonderful land of which we know, that you, our chosen leader, will be able to see the wisdom of your forefathers and revered leaders and mentors as being the only true way for our nation to be for the people, by the people. Thank you and God Bless you in your leadership and wisdom as you guide this grand nation through four more years of being a nation built on the wisdom of many.

        Sincerely and with Deepest Respect,
        'We the People'

        January 19, 2013 at 5:26 am |
      • CompletedFirstDraft ReDearPrez

        We, the people are deeply concerned about the following, which we request, as we the people, your immediate attention to if at all possible. The reason that we make this immediate request is due to the very real concern for the safety, well-being, and protection from harm of mental patients of all ages, religions, nationalities, gender, race, and ethnicity, etc., and disabilities in light of the recent tragedies that has placed a huge amount of blame on autistic persons, and mandates signed by you that could be construed to violate the rights of the mentally ill and their families.

        Historically, the mentally ill have been treated poorly in this country, much like those whom the revered civil rights leaders of our great country challenged all to provide equal opportunity, education, rights, judicial access and fairness of courts, legal systems, education, schools, jobs, housing, health care, etc.. Today, we are asking you to do the same for the mentally ill and their families, communities, and society as a whole (as all could be disabled from mental illness at some point in their lives – and historically – most are).

        While the power and politics of the system within which the responsibility for mental health practices, procedures, and policies encompasses many whom benefit and thrive, many of the patients and much of society are made to suffer the greatest of burdens and sorrow because of it.

        There are many reasons why so many suffer at the hands of the current mental health system, as you may well know. It is widely considered to be a system of care that is very deeply flawed by those whom are aware of the true realities of the way things really are in the mental health system, and/or the reasons and reasoning as to why the system is so flawed. To ask the patients to suffer through not only their illness, healing, recovery, and management of their illness at the same time that they must also suffer at the hands of this deeply flawed system places an inordinately undue and unhealthy burden and suffering on not only them, but on the whole of society as well.

        The restrictions you have placed on the rights of the mentally ill are a closing of the door to the rights you honor with your pledge to defend, honor, and uphold for ALL citizens of the USA. We question the possibility now allowed that many might fall prey to those whom may wish to exploit and / or harm those with disabilities and related, or as ill guided control, or weapon of discrimination and prejudicial policies, practices, and procedures against any made to fall into this category of citizens or deemed to be in this category of citizen. This is now a great burden to all, and places many at further risk of harm, discrimination and prejudice, as you could well imagine given the need for revered leaders and movements throughout the ages.

        It is hard to imagine how banning guns can be such a problem, yet forcing the banning of guns on those at the mercy of a mental health system that is not prepared to deal fairly with such power to control, discriminate, and cause harm, exploitation, nor the loss of protected rights throughout the entire system of education, judicial, employment, military, health care, mental health care, security systems and officers, society as a whole and as individuals, families, communities, churches, non-profit groups, universities, the agencies set up to regulate all that can cause mental illness in our foods, water, medicine, practices, procedures, and policies, and ALL can be and are at mercy of this type illness, that this could truly be ok.

        Therefore, we the people, request humbly and with post haste to amend to these signed actions provisions that will allow for the furthering of reasoning throughout all levels of the greatest government system put in place by the people, for the people, and for which we are all pledged to honor and protect and defend as USA citizens of this great and wonderful land of which we know, that you, our chosen leader, will be able to see the wisdom of your forefathers and revered leaders and mentors as being the only true way for our nation to be for the people, by the people. Thank you and God Bless you in your leadership and wisdom as you guide this grand nation through four more years of being a nation built on the wisdom of many.

        Sincerely and with Deepest Respect,
        'We the People'

        January 19, 2013 at 5:34 am |
    • CompletedFirstDraft ReDearPrez InputWelcome

      Ok, how's that? Your constructive input is welcome – however – i will ask CNN to see that the prez gets this post haste ... soon ... and thank you CNN for allowing and promoting and assisting in the writing of this letter by 'We the People' ... sincerely

      January 19, 2013 at 5:38 am |
      • agree

        change the last paragraph as follows:

        It is hard to imagine how banning guns can be such a problem, yet forcing the banning of guns on those at the mercy of a mental health system that is not prepared to deal fairly with such power to control, discriminate, and cause harm, exploitation, nor the loss of protected rights throughout the entire system of education, judicial, employment, military, health care, mental health care, security systems and officers, society as a whole and as individuals, families, communities, churches, non-profit groups, universities, the agencies set up to regulate all that can cause mental illness in our foods, water, medicine, practices, procedures, and policies, and ALL can be and ARE AT MERCY of this type illness and treatement without legal representation and supports, and a fair and equal judicial system, that this could truly be ok.

        January 20, 2013 at 3:24 am |
      • humberto

        The whole letter is out of perspective with gun control concerning magazine capacity AND RAPID FIRE capabilities.
        The part about mentally ill is maliciously ludicrous, as no two of them witchdoctors can agree on their profession concerning access granted, access denied.

        January 20, 2013 at 4:19 am |
      • humberto

        Black powder military weapons are on their way out as light is already used to blind and burn.

        January 20, 2013 at 4:27 am |
      • ok

        i'm not sure i understand what you would want changed in the letter – any suggestions there?

        January 20, 2013 at 4:30 am |
      • note

        make sure to copy and paste for re-editing – as the sensors are on.
        The Completed Draft Letter to the Prez has been pre-approved by CNN sensors (thanks CNN btw – a good learning lesson in writing ... i needed that)

        best to copy what is there – and then make suggestions if editing changes or additions / deletions

        otherwise – you might have to rewrite a few times ...

        anyway ... we the people are interested in what we the people have to say

        as ... i am sure ... is the prez

        January 20, 2013 at 4:54 am |
      • getReal

        Suggestion:

        Change paragraph
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        To read:

        President Obama, the most obvious need that is not being considered in the last few weeks national affairs, in which you have so immediately made sweeping changes to the rights bestowed upon all of this great nation of independently minded souls, was one of the deep rooted anger that exists in the USA today, be it toward the mentally ill or gun rights issues or whatever. To single either one or whatever out for discrimination in signed action that will, in essence, limit the future and rights of every single citizen of this great nation, only serves to invite further victimization, discrimination and prejudice against all deemed to be or made to be in any group of similarly classified individuals. As outlined in the laws of this land, which you have sworn to uphold, and to which your pledge we honor as you do ours, as a united 'we the people' governed under a respected and trusted unifying law of the land, we humbly ask you to reconsider your recent actions under the same wisdom you value by your honor chosen mentors, and to whom, we thoughtfully agree to their mission of freedom and equality for all.

        January 20, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • CompletedSecondDraft ReDearPrez

      We, the people are deeply concerned about the following, which we request, as we the people, your immediate attention to if at all possible. The reason that we make this immediate request is due to the very real concern for the safety, well-being, and protection from harm of mental patients of all ages, religions, nationalities, gender, race, and ethnicity, etc., and disabilities in light of the recent tragedies that has placed a huge amount of blame on autistic persons, and mandates signed by you that could be construed to violate the rights of the mentally ill and their families.

      Historically, the mentally ill have been treated poorly in this country, much like those whom the revered civil rights leaders of our great country challenged all to provide equal opportunity, education, rights, judicial access and fairness of courts, legal systems, education, schools, jobs, housing, health care, etc.. Today, we are asking you to do the same for the mentally ill and their families, communities, and society as a whole (as all could be disabled from mental illness at some point in their lives – and historically – most are).

      While the power and politics of the system within which the responsibility for mental health practices, procedures, and policies encompasses many whom benefit and thrive, many of the patients and much of society are made to suffer the greatest of burdens and sorrow because of it.

      There are many reasons why so many suffer at the hands of the current mental health system, as you may well know. It is widely considered to be a system of care that is very deeply flawed by those whom are aware of the true realities of the way things really are in the mental health system, and/or the reasons and reasoning as to why the system is so flawed. To ask the patients to suffer through not only their illness, healing, recovery, and management of their illness at the same time that they must also suffer at the hands of this deeply flawed system places an inordinately undue and unhealthy burden and suffering on not only them, but on the whole of society as well.

      President Obama, the most obvious need that is not being considered in the last few weeks national affairs, in which you have so immediately made sweeping changes to the rights bestowed upon all of this great nation of independently minded souls, was one of the deep rooted anger that exists in the USA today, be it toward the mentally ill or gun rights issues or whatever. To single either one or whatever out for discrimination in signed action that will, in essence, limit the future and rights of every single citizen of this great nation, only serves to invite further victimization, discrimination and prejudice against all deemed to be or made to be in any group of similarly classified individuals. As outlined in the laws of this land, which you have sworn to uphold, and to which your pledge we honor as you do ours, as a united 'we the people' governed under a respected and trusted unifying law of the land, we humbly ask you to reconsider your recent actions under the same wisdom you value by your honor chosen mentors, and to whom, we thoughtfully agree to their mission of freedom and equality for all.

      The restrictions you have placed on the rights of the mentally ill are a closing of the door to the rights you honor with your pledge to defend, honor, and uphold for ALL citizens of the USA. We question the possibility now allowed that many might fall prey to those whom may wish to exploit and / or harm those with disabilities and related, or as ill guided control, or weapon of discrimination and prejudicial policies, practices, and procedures against any made to fall into this category of citizens or deemed to be in this category of citizen. This is now a great burden to all, and places many at further risk of harm, discrimination and prejudice, as you could well imagine given the need for revered leaders and movements throughout the ages.

      It is hard to imagine how banning guns can be such a problem, yet forcing the banning of guns on those at the mercy of a mental health system that is not prepared to deal fairly with such power to control, discriminate, and cause harm, exploitation, nor the loss of protected rights throughout the entire system of education, judicial, employment, military, health care, mental health care, security systems and officers, society as a whole and as individuals, families, communities, churches, non-profit groups, universities, the agencies set up to regulate all that can cause mental illness in our foods, water, medicine, practices, procedures, and policies, and ALL can be and ARE AT MERCY of this type illness and treatment without legal representation and supports, and a fair and equal judicial system, that this could truly be ok.

      Therefore, we the people, request humbly and with post haste to amend to these signed actions provisions that will allow for the furthering of reasoning throughout all levels of the greatest government system put in place by the people, for the people, and for which we are all pledged to honor and protect and defend as USA citizens of this great and wonderful land of which we know, that you, our chosen leader, will be able to see the wisdom of your forefathers and revered leaders and mentors as being the only true way for our nation to be for the people, by the people. Thank you and God Bless you in your leadership and wisdom as you guide this grand nation through four more years of being a nation built on the wisdom of many.

      Sincerely and with Deepest Respect,

      'We the People', USA
      January 20, 2013

      January 20, 2013 at 9:18 am |
  9. DearPrez

    second try (note to self: your attempts may not go through – so after you try to 'be' perfect in your writing – best save your attempt – for another try)

    January 18, 2013 at 4:04 am |
  10. Hanbleceya Therapeutic Community

    Thank you Cathy for bringing to light the need for more mental health care in our schools. We at Hanbleceya support you!

    January 17, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
  11. tipefeller

    It is amusing, to watch that guy Pirce fight for good thing and he is ridiculed for good sences. It seems to me that some people didnt get it for real. Hope that next time there will not be ded people.
    Who needs all those guns, it is stupid, and what Americans do, they force they point of view to rhe rest of the world....
    Are any americans sain..ore insain, and those stupid amandmans, who will have amandman on life, sorry we are not like Jesus Crist.akka God.

    January 17, 2013 at 11:46 am |
  12. Tom, Ton, the Other One

    Sadly the assault weapons ban in effect at the time did not prevent this.

    January 17, 2013 at 9:34 am |
    • sc

      nor did it prevent columbine a year later...
      See, it really DOES work... NOT!

      January 17, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • Mr Rational Thought

      Of course not. Guns are not the problem.

      January 18, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • humberto

      The article is a bad scam. Your right.

      January 20, 2013 at 1:58 am |
  13. Fladabosco

    Statistically the thing we could do to make schools safer is to ban corn syrup, high fat and high sodium foods at schools. They take longer to kill you than a rifle but they contribute to many more deaths and an epidemic of illness. I don't want to diminish the loss of children killed by guns but it's a trickle compared to the flood of damage done by these poisons.

    January 17, 2013 at 7:53 am |
    • ArtificialSweetnersAreAProblem

      this is all true of course what you say about food and sugar
      however
      i read it was mandated to put only diet drinks in schools
      and artificial sweetners have been proven to cause mental illness
      and more diabeties than sugar (i think it was sugar – but not sure about cornsyrup)
      this is true
      so
      what i wonder as well is why simple thinks like reversing that diet drink mandate isn't done pronto in order to avoid more illness in kids (and the nation) that could be based in the brain that all are so furious about now.
      why should any mental health patient put up with any further abuse because they are mentally ill without having the ability to press hate crime charges against the perpetrators now that the Prez. made the discrimination and prejudice so apparent – and the hatred is palatable – and yet he continues to endorse and mandate and condone by default of nonaction those things in USA foods, pharmaceuticals, policies, procedures, health care professionals, law enforcement, courts, schools, etc. etc. etc. that causes ANY further harm of any nature to anyone who has a mental illness?
      With the presidential bills he signed yesterday – he has now taken FULL responsibility for any harm being done to any mental health patient (or similar).
      the aritificial sweetners have to go first obviously
      but
      will that happen?
      watch and see if the president will buck bush and co. (who makes many bucks from artificial sweetners and pharma and co.) – or risk being sued for encouraging hate crimes and condoning further harm and potential harm ...
      do you think if 'we' wrote him a public letter here about this that something will be done for the better (for the people)
      i ask this
      cuz
      obviously you guys write more elegantly than I it seems
      so
      you guys can help me out here.
      do you think he will 'listen'???

      January 17, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
  14. David Witcraft

    Unfortunately almost none of her proposals are in the legislative agenda placed before congress. It's easy to forget that these homicidal maniacs were also kids who needed help, and didn't get it.

    January 17, 2013 at 3:07 am |
  15. Cindy Lou Who

    barack was all Fluff today......he knows he cant go after real issues like a Ba_n rotflmfao

    January 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
  16. to-be-confirmed

    Shooting at San Marcos California today. The lobby of a local cinema was shot at. An usher was slightly wounded, his life is not in danger. Check with the local police for details

    January 16, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
  17. UncleJohn

    How about if we pull all the DEA agents currently busting otherwise good citizens for pot and put them in charge of school safety?

    January 16, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • David Hoffman

      Solves multiple violence issues in one move. Good idea.

      January 17, 2013 at 3:10 am |
  18. Chloe

    GetReal was trying to address the reality of mental health care and as far as I am concerned s/he was accurate. The reason the mentally ill don't seek treatment is that we're stigmatized within the system, the drugs are dangerous or only work for about 30% of us and we are indeed treated as criminals. We are not treated with dignity, as patients, but with disdain and contempt. getReal's inelegant writing is not reason for attack, s/he speaks the Truth.

    January 16, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • ThanksChloe

      Thank you Chloe – that is very kind of you to clarify and support my thoughts.
      actually, why bother to do everything perfect is probably my reasoning for writing (speaking) as I wish – you can NEVER be perfect enough – and that's a fact – jack

      January 16, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • Tom, Ton, the Other One

      The mentally ill are treat like….mental ill. Stop playing the victim card its pathetic.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:34 am |
      • seriously

        how do you treat the mentally ill tom?
        as pathetics?
        do you hate yourself when you contemplate the possibility of developing alzheimers, dementia, having a mentally ill self or family member due to trauma induced PTSD? would you want yourself or someone you actually might care about be treated as pathetics if they too developed mental illness?

        January 17, 2013 at 9:43 am |
  19. Emotional Intelligence

    I see we have a slew of bullies on here who find nothing better to do that criticize the posts of others. You must feel powerful as someone who can hurt others with words while remaining completely anonymous. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Negativity breeds negativity. If you attempted to be supportive, positive and free of judgement, you'd be amazed how many people you could affect in a positive way.

    January 16, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • Tom, Ton, the Other One

      Starting a post with “we have a slew of bullies” isn’t exactly positive now is it? If you want everyone to agree with you, a public forum isn’t the best place to be.

      January 17, 2013 at 9:37 am |
  20. empresstrudy

    As of today the author is encouraged to narc out the students to the police to ensure better public safety. Which isn't a bad idea but it will make the author's job entirely redundant very soon. Perhaps she will be able to work for the police after they Minority Report all her former patients and clients.

    January 16, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • seriously

      agree with implication – and now fact by presidential decree.
      maybe 'they' just wanted to save money for education by forcing many parents to seriously consider home-schooling.
      now – they have a way to employ some of the veterans they are forcing out of their jobs.
      and then – you have the sheeple to contend with – and those are way too many to count
      and if your not a sheep – which most kids usually aren't unless they are made that way – which they are by the system – then you are going to have a seriously prejudicial and discriminatory environment until and unless all are sheep – and even then – sheep are sheep – if your not sheep enough – you are out.
      sad state of affairs – to say the least

      January 16, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
      • David Hoffman

        Parents, relatives,administrators, and others will be pushed to do what many refuse to do today. They will have to face the fact that a certain boy is mentally ill and needs serious treatment or confinement because he is not coping with life in a reasonable manner. No more cover ups,no more light touch therapy, and no more word games. The boy is seriously sick and if the parents cannot or will not deal with it,then the law enforcement community will. I predict a lot of parents are going to take these problem boys and get them committed for treatment or confinement before they start hurting other people. The school mental healthcare staff will still be dealing with those who respond positively to the treatment they can provide, but the boys with serious conditions need to be treated elsewhere. Hope fully they can return and manage their condition well enough to remain in the general populous. If not, they will need to be confined to an appropriate inpatient facility where they represent a reduced risk of harming the general populous.

        January 17, 2013 at 3:25 am |
      • seriously

        treatment is NOT available for MOST people – and most states have closed as many of their inpatient facilities for the mentally ill – and thrown the ones who were there – onto the streets or into jail or homeless shelters.
        so – good luck with that one

        January 17, 2013 at 9:39 am |
  21. citizenUSA

    Most school shootings are perpetrated by students, not outsiders. Anyone who would purposefully target school children must have some mental deficiency. Other mass shootings are at the work-place and usually by a former employee with a grudge against the employer or involves some romantic issue. I don't see thae need for anyone to own an assault weapon but since so many have one I need one to level the playing fiield. Teachers with a gun in school needs to be holding it while teaching for it to do any good. Armed guards is good but only if there is one every 50 feet. Lock-down schools. After the bell there should only be one way in. There are definately things that need to be done but I think we are going about it the wrong way because we are all so tore up about Sandy Hook. Don't rush what you think will make people happy. Do what will make people safe!

    January 16, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
  22. 5foot4

    quote from article- There is no single or simple solution to making our schools safe. It is a multi-faceted, on-going effort that requires commitment and participation from all stakeholders.

    I think thats a very true statement. For me thats the point of this article.

    January 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
  23. Carl Sedlak

    Seveal weekends ago I attended the Anti-Aging conference in Las Vegas. The Friday morning of the shooting at Sandy Hook one of the presenters, Dr. Daniel Amen, from Newport Beach, Calif. showed us the SPEC scan of the fifteen year old who committed the shooting in Oregon described in this article. Dr. Amen testified as a medical expert at the sanity hearing for this fifteen year old young man.The SPEC scan showed significant brain damage to the areas of the brain involved in personality, rational decision making and other critical cognative functions. Based upon the brain injury there was little doubt about why this fifteen year old would committ such a terrible crime. If more families had access to the medical technology available today to help diagnose and correct these types of brain conditions, events like the Oregon and Sandy Hook shootings could be avoided.

    January 16, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • getReal

      that is a lovely thought – for things to get better (not worse)
      however, if that kid is then given a med that drives him/her to insanity – then what is the point of the brain scan (except to feed the coffers – and perpetuate abuse at the hands of the pharma and co.)

      January 16, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
      • jt

        Sorry but if we can drug them up and they don't kill innocent people, I am all for keeping them drugged for our safety.

        January 16, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
      • thatisSad

        it is actually against the law to restrain the mentally ill in many ways – including chemical restraint

        January 16, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • 5foot4

      I just had to stop and really think about your post. It would be such an asset for families to have access to this level of medicine. For them to stop wondering if somehting was really wrong and instead use that energy to address it. The brain and our bodies chemicals are an amazing. Its easier to work with a kid when you have a better idea of what you are dealing with. Gives you the abiliy to come up with tools, wether chemical or learned to help redirect or stop the threatening behavior. Treating the problem and not the aftermath. Thankful for the healthcare we have now but it could be so much better too.

      January 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
      • inaPerfectWorldPerhaps

        You automatically assume that there is threatening behavior involved.
        that is usually not the case.
        most mentally ill are victims in many ways – like the students at Sandy Hook who may develop PTSD
        they may act out – does that mean they need to have their rights taken away or be stigmatized for the rest of their lives if they ask for help – because that is what the prez. ordered today
        if you needed help today – would you ask for it? would you subject your kid to a lifetime of stigmatization and illness from the meds – would you risk feeding them pills from a bottle with a black warning label for death every day?

        January 16, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
  24. getReal

    the ssri's are the main problem
    and the current mental health system
    i can speak as i wish
    don't read my posts if you like – but leave me alone
    nuff said

    January 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • drny

      "The SSRIs are the main problem". How so?

      January 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
      • BlackLabelsMeanSomething

        the Black Labels on the Bottles of Meds are FOR REAL – that's how so
        and the main fact that those meds were pushed on the public without the BLACK LABELS for so many years
        the lies, the deceipt, the murders (more or less their fault), because of the corruption and ...
        the ... is what we are seeing today

        January 16, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
  25. What Does

    >Excessive building security does not promote a sense of safety or student well-being, nor does it provide a guarantee when an armed intruder is willing to die.

    I'd really like Ms. Paine to answer this: what does provide a guarantee? This is not an argument in your favor unless you have an alternative that is guaranteed.

    January 16, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • untrainedSecurityOfficers

      if the security person with a gun is not willing to face the day prepared not to kill a kid – but to be killed as an armed intruder into the child's life – than there might be a so called guarantee (or more of a guarantee)
      otherwise – in the current state of affairs – where cops can kill if they feel threatened in any way – it is less of a guarantee – because kids cannot be expected to know how to act around a cop with a gun in their faces

      January 16, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
      • BeingReal

        With the new threat of being labeled ill and having no real way to be heard nor legally represented, the amount of power these persons who wield so much control over such labeling will be sorely tested as to their abilities to maintain self-control and the highest of human standards, morality, and mental and physical health, and ethical duty and service to 'we the people' ... in all regards above the highest reproach ... since they will have so much power over another's life – whether criminal or not ...

        humans are human

        January 20, 2013 at 5:55 am |
    • Matt

      Actually, it has already been proven that it does not work. There were two armed deputies at Columbine and it did nothing to stop or minimize the carnage. And your logic is flawed. Just because there is not a great solution yet does not mean that we should impliment something that does not work.

      January 16, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
      • DoBRaQ

        Actually, there was one guard...sitting in a car half a football field away from the entrance. He did exchange fire with them and did escort 15 kids to safety. That guard was there more or less to watch the parking lot. Knowing what we know today I bet any new guards hired would be inside the school specificully to address safety of the students. Oh, and proven as ineffective as the assault weapons ban that was in place when klebold and Harris did this???Just sayin'

        January 16, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
      • Fladabosco

        The kids at Columbine planned the attack out. I'm surprised they didn't find the guard and take him out first, as would be the plan for anyone if we put armed guards at schools. I'm not against it per se, but I don't think it will make much difference.

        January 17, 2013 at 7:48 am |
    • drny

      There are no guarantees.

      January 16, 2013 at 1:58 pm |
    • Cesar

      Excessive security, I really do not see that happening. I would rather have checks and balances at the school my children attend than none. Most schools have no process for stopping an intruder. Some is better than none and we already have the expertise available. We have secret service, military, and police. They can do a security assessment of a school and with little changes improve security. I am not saying make it as tight as the secret service can make it but something. At least make a school as safe as your own home. As for security guards, I would give my life to stop a gunman from hurting a child and I am just an ordinary citizen.

      January 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • The Truth

      I was in the military for over 11 years and security was the biggest part of my occupation. The unpleasant truth few want to acknowledge is that there is no such thing as a guarantee in security. There is no 100% solution. A determined person will find a way. The key is limiiting the damage as much as possible.

      People have known this, accepted it and worked within it for thousands of years, but some time in the last couple of decades this nation has completely shunned the truth and expects everything could have been prevented and someone other than the attacker is to blame. The blame is completely on the attacker, for he violated several laws and conducted several heinous acts before he even shot the first child.

      The only thing that could have stopped him would have been a barrier surrounding the entire school with armed guards stationed at appropriate intervals to observe, stop and search each person who tried to cross the barrier. And if he fired at the guards at the barrier a second inner ring of armed guards would have been needed to engage him. You have to assume he gets a jump on the barrier guards and if no second ring he will have a free path to the school. Remember basic geometry at this point any guard on the barrier firing at him mostly likely will be firing in the direction of the school, so second ring is necessary. Whatever your ideology on guns or even guards are at for schools there is one common agreement. No one has the money to support this type of security measure at every school in the country.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • MsPaine

      You ask what will provide a guarantee against school violence. I do not believe there are any guarantees here. We can't predict with reliability who is likely to commit an act of school violence before they do it, nor can we prevent every heavily armed person from causing injuries/deaths. We can, however, take many proactive steps. The question of how much physical security to provide in our schools is one that should be left up to each school and community. There is no "one-size-fit-all" answer. Some schools will choose armed guards and metal detectors. Others will not. However, every school can provide reasonable physical security, such as locked doors, lighted and monitored hallways and visitor check-in, check-out systems. A primary goal should be to reinforce learning as well as safety. Key to this is ensuring that all who are involved are integral members of the school community, including School Resource Officers and other security personnel. These efforts must be combined with violence prevention, mental health services and positive behavior supports for all students.

      January 17, 2013 at 11:54 am |
  26. kronsbeast

    The tradeoff here is that having a mental health professional on duty in every school would cost a great deal of money.

    January 16, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • getReal

      i thought creating jobs was one of the president's objectives – wait – oh i get it – more of the same if you follow the money and the conspiracy theories – would these people in schools be schooled in the corrupt pharma. ssri, ritalin, and anti-psychotic universities – or would they actually provide mental health services and not death and more mental illness by the current prevelant system of corruption, lies, and deceit? most kids who are in the mental health systems suffer more from the system – from the stigma – from the exploitation (by the system itself if nothing else) – and from the bullying, harrassment, and non-understanding of their peers, families, communities, churches, clubs, schools, ... the list goes on ... most people are probably more afraid of the mental health system and meds as it is – then the actual mentally ill

      January 16, 2013 at 11:27 am |
      • SkepticalOne

        If you are trying to convince us that you are one of the mentally ill, you have succeeded. I hope you find treatment that works for you.

        January 16, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
      • seriously

        no – i am trying to convince you that people like you exist with your controlling unknowing rude and threatening behavior toward people you may consider to hold differing views than your own, communicate differently than you, and / or appear to have more knowledge on a subject matter than you – or at least i am now

        January 16, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • JWalk

      Our county just agreed to put an armed police officer in every school, at a great cost to the taxpayers. I guess it's a trade-off of how we want our money spent.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:31 am |
      • untrainedSecurityOfficers

        well – you know some kid is going to end up dead over a cellphone – or toy gun NOW – because very few are actually trained well to deal with children and mental illness without harming them in some way
        and that kid on a cellphone or with a toy gun might be a 5 year old
        dogs get shot by police people who feel threatened by their bark – and behavior in their own yard
        sad day for all unless these security officers are VERY WELL TRAINED to deal with kids and mental illness – or just kids in general who may be having bad days – as all children do as they grow up (by nature)

        January 16, 2013 at 11:46 am |
  27. julie

    i don't get how a teacher don't c when a child is hurting i know that they r not ur child but pay attention 2 da ones that don't smile much u can tell if a child is happy or not people miss all the sgins as children but as teenagers now we never 4get the mess they leave behind if we can get them young it won't be a mess later

    January 16, 2013 at 10:16 am |
    • Dr. James Rustles

      Your post was painful to read. Learn how to speak proper English.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:35 am |
      • getReal

        i didn't have any trouble reading it doc – new way to speak – dats all
        got something else brilliant to add to the tone of not bullying and harrassing this article describes?
        wait – am i bullying and harrassing you by trying to help the poster feel better about communicating?
        nah – just standing up for the poster's right to speak as they wish – and mine to respond to your bullying – by asking you to stop.

        January 16, 2013 at 11:13 am |
      • Buck

        Yes, you are free to speak as you wish. But if you post like an uneducated buffoon, you should be prepared to be treated like one. Now that being said, I wouldn't really describe Julie's original comment as being difficult to read. To me it simply read like it was posted by a social media addicted teenage girl that is texting her friend. It's kind of hard to respect someone's opinion when they post in that manner.

        January 16, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • getReal

      you guys seriously DO NOT GET IT do you?
      all you do is judge – get some perspective

      January 16, 2013 at 11:29 am |
      • Buck

        I believe you are missing the point here getReal. It's not that difficult to post your opinion in an intelligible manner. All you are doing is defending someone that was simply being lazy. What's wrong with holding people to a higher standard and expecting more than a ridiculous phone text of a comment?

        January 16, 2013 at 11:49 am |
      • untrainedSecurityOfficers

        the same thing that is wrong with me (according to you) asking you to stop bullying the poster for speaking as they wish

        January 16, 2013 at 11:51 am |
      • YOUGetReal

        Your OP was one long run-on sentence. No coherent thought, you were simply showing how you believe in all the conspiracy theories, that everyone is a victim of "them." I'm afraid of people who are paranoid, because they're afraid of everyone. I much more trust the mental health system than I trust the mentally ill who exercise their right to refuse medical attention for their problem. Physician, heal thyself? To a mentally ill person, he is the only sane one – and therefore completely unqualified to make such decisions. But the law came to say they could, and since then, gun violence has climbed. Fix the problem by breaking the stigma that mental illness isn't treatable, and that everyone knows someone who needs some help, but denial of the symptoms and legal delays in having people treated against their will are why we have these problems – couple that with unsecured weapons by irresponsible owners, and we have a recipe for disaster.

        January 16, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
      • whatIdoNotGet

        treating anyone in any way against their will is not going to help them any
        in older days – wait – even today
        if i was a student and upset a teacher because i could not communicate well
        they could – as buck so elegantly points out – treat me in lesser ways that could include physical violence
        or 'treat me' against my will (so speak)
        many kids grow up in different type speaking homes in USA – most are immigrants – except for the native americans – and even they speak in differing ways
        if you learned how to write in a country that does not write english – like eastern languages – they write in symbols that can mean an entire thought – and there is not punctuation – nor capitilization.
        this is the first time writing has been so adamantly critized on any posting list I have seen in years – because it is with teachers probably – don't know

        January 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
  28. humberto

    There are no comments on that blog Levine.

    January 20, 2013 at 6:09 am |
  29. humberto

    Get real. The worst offenders are people that have already gone to your services where they learn deception and become worse.
    The idea of a door is to hold them off till help arrives. Understand ???

    January 20, 2013 at 6:22 am |
  30. getReal

    I have no service that i am responsible for so do not blame me
    the patients learn to survive as best they can – that's what they are there to learn – and some do

    your tone to me is offensive as i am not involved in the gun debate – except for pointing out truths of the mental health system. but that is ok, however, you do misunderstand me it seems. what are you so angry about truly?

    January 20, 2013 at 7:31 am |