By Lauren Russell, CNN
(CNN) - While most of the nation's students are enjoying summer break, teachers in a handful of states are studying – not their fall curriculum, but how to take out an assailant.
In Ohio, Buckeye Firearms Association, a gun rights PAC, has launched a program to educate teachers on how to take down a gunman.
"We were mocked when we first said we wanted to teach this class," Jim Irvine, president of Buckeye, said. "People doubted if we could fill the class."
States tighten, loosen gun laws after Newtown
Yet more than 1,400 school staff members applied for the 24 spots first offered in late December, he said.
Interest in arming teachers has grown among some school staff, gun rights groups and lawmakers in the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in which 20 students – ages 6 and 7 – and six adults were killed in Newtown, Connecticut, on December 14.
Photos: Teachers pose with their guns
Gun rights groups have sponsored classes for teachers in a number of states from Texas to Ohio.
In the six months since the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, legislators in at least 30 states have proposed laws allowing teachers and other school staff to carry firearms on primary and secondary school campuses, according to Lauren Heintz, a research analyst at the National Conference of State Legislatures. In most states the bills have failed, but laws have been enacted in South Dakota, Alabama, Arizona, and Kansas. Texas, which already allows staff to carry firearms with school approval, passed two new laws creating a "school marshal" program and addressing training teachers.
Some bills proposed in the past six months require only that the school employee have a concealed-firearm permit, but many of the bills include training provisions. For example, South Dakota's new law requires law enforcement-approved training for every appointed school sentinel.
The week after Sandy Hook, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told the media that all schools in the United States should have armed security, and an NRA-backed task force proposed training and arming adults at schools.
Six months since Sandy Hook: Newtown residents find their voice
"Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared?" LaPierre asked. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.
Before Sandy Hook, no state's law explicitly permitted firearms on school campuses, though some states had exemptions, according to the NCSL.
For 12 years, Utah's concealed weapon law has permitted a person to have, on his or her person or in a secure lockbox, a weapon inside a school. As concealed firearm permit holders, they are not required to tell parents or school officials.
But in Texas and Ohio, for instance, a person must get permission from the school district to bring a concealed weapon on school grounds.
The Harrold Independent School District board in rural Texas approved a plan to arm certain staff members in 2007. Under the so-called Guardian Plan, identities of armed staff members aren't divulged. This way, a shooter can't target them, the superintendent wrote in a column for CNN's "Schools of Thought" blog after Newtown.
"At the end of the school day, we at Harrold want to know we've done everything possible to protect our children from people who are intent on harming them," David Thweatt wrote.
The Union Grove Independent School District and Van Independent School District, both in East Texas, in January became the second and third districts in the state to authorize teachers with concealed handgun licenses to carry firearms on campus.
At Colt's Connecticut factory, no apologies for arming America
Ohio allows school boards to vote on whether teachers and administrators can carry concealed weapons into schools, a stipulation that was largely overlooked until Sandy Hook. The exception has existed since at least 2008 when the law was last amended.
Dick Caster, head of the Ohio School Board Association, said school safety plans are private documents, so there isn't a list of all the school districts that have armed employees. Though not required to disclose it, a few Ohio school districts have made headlines by voting to allow teachers to carry guns. Sidney City Schools announced in March it would be arming staff, and the school board in Montpelier approved arming its custodial staff in January.
But Bill Bond, a former principal who once confronted a shooter, isn't so sure arming teachers is the answer. In 1997, a student shot eight of his peers at Kentucky's Heath High School, where Bond was principal at the time. Three of those students were killed in the shooting. Looking back, Bond said he wouldn't have wanted a gun. "It could have made the situation worse," he said. "The potential for wrongful accidental killing is greater than the potential for saving," he said about arming school personnel.
He supports having trained school resource officers on campus, but educators have enough on their plates without the responsibility of a deadly weapon, he said.
"Anytime you have divided or added responsibilities, it distracts from primary responsibilities," he said. "From an educational standpoint, I'm against it."
Bond worked 29 years in schools and has been the school safety expert with the National Association of Secondary School Principals for 12 years. He's heard talk of arming school personnel before, but it wasn't seriously considered until after Sandy Hook, he said.
"I do realize that the only thing that would have been able to stop (the shooter) was gunfire," he said, "but that particular situation is an anomaly."
He also points out that an armed educator would have had only one gun with a few rounds, while the shooter had multiple firearms and 30-round magazines.
"Teachers will hesitate and that will cause teachers to be killed, and if they don't hesitate they'll make the wrong decision," Bond said. "It's wracked with danger."
Ken Trump, a school safety consultant who runs his own firm, agrees that it's a high-risk, high-liability proposal. He thinks only a law enforcement officer should carry weapons on campus.
"There's a huge difference between saying, 'I can protect my family and my home,' versus 'I'm prepared to protect the masses,'" he said.
There's also the question of whether teachers want to carry guns. Nearly three-fourths of teachers said they would not bring a firearm to school even if allowed, a February School Improvement Network survey showed. However, the survey showed most educators believed armed guards would improve safety.
John Benner, president and chief instructor at the Ohio-based Tactical Defense Institute, has trained school resource officers for years. He taught his first class to teachers this spring.
The three-day class, sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Association, examined mass shootings and taught school personnel how to predict a killer's behavior and shoot on the run amid obstacles like narrow hallways and stairwells. Police officers and SWAT commanders help teach the course. Participants had to have a concealed weapons permit before registering.
Buckeye paid about $1,000 per teacher, which includes tuition, room and board, and ammunition. The group will cover tuition and board for the six courses offered this summer.
Benner would like to see all school employees – teachers, resource officers, administrators – learn to use firearms.
"I hate the idea of arming teachers, but we have to," Benner said. Signs and locks won't deter an attacker and police can't respond quickly enough, he said. "It's the only thing that's going to work."
Asked if training law enforcement officers to patrol schools was a better idea than arming teachers, Caster, who was the executive director for the National Association of School Resource Officers before joining the Ohio School Board Association, said it's not possible.
School resource officers are typically funded by either the school or the local law enforcement agency.
"This is what it boils down to: Can you afford to have an officer in every school?" Caster said. "It's not in the budget."
In any event, he said, emotions should not drive the discussion.
"This isn't about guns, it's about a possible tactic," Caster said. "My plea is that we have a rational, logical discussion (about arming teachers) as an additional possible tool."
Ah... I can see it now. "Angry teacher snaps and kills 12 kids."
Could happen anyway. All this does is empower good people who follow the law.
You are a left wing nut job.
And you're just dope. No political affiliation necessary.
I was raised around guns. I respect them, but I'm not afraid of them. I realize that not everyone in this country has had the same upbringing, especially in big city areas. Still, EVERYONE should take a gun safety course and learn the basics of how to shoot. Preferably, everyone would also own a gun and would know how to responsibly store and use it. Why, you ask? Because crime happens. It's a fact of life. And anyone who is NOT so armed is a potential victim. Our nation's children go to school each day, play and learn with other children, surrounded by unarmed teachers... can you imagine a bigger pool of potential victims? It's a wonder we hadn't seen any Sandy Hook-type tragedies sooner! By properly training and arming teachers, we can prevent further incursions. It would be foolish not to do so.
While I see you point, arming teachers is not the solution. Adding MORE guns to ostensibly protect a "soft" target merely results in larger problems than it solves. It's such a shame that the old white men lobby pushing for arming teachers have not been near a school in decades, nor had their mental capacity calibrated. Many, many of us law-abiding guns owners think the idea as a crazy as electing another Bush to public office.
I too was raised around guns, got my first single shot .22 at 9 and my safety instruction from my dad. He was strict, I finally got my NRA safety badge at 11-12. Your right not everyone has had this experience and I am not afraid of guns at all I still own them and shoot targets for enjoyment. I couldnt disagree with your statment more, when faced with a gun man armed to the teeth and me with my 9mm or my .45 or my .357 I feel that every shot I fired at a armed possibly body armored nutjob might have him firing another 20 rounds at me which is 20 more pcs of lead that might hit more innocent kids. In that terrifying momment I feel like I should be able to take him/her down with 1 round.....but what if I dont? What if I miss and richochet and take out another child or teacher and then he and I have another 2-3 second exchange of gun fire? No sir guns at my son's school do not make me or my kid any safer. My son has pushed the limits with his smart mouth (he is a top student and is most likely somewhat bored) and ended up in the VP office 4 times this last year in 2nd grade. Would an armed teacher lose it with my son or another equally mouthy child? or ADHD., ADD child or otherwise impaired child? No I disagree I dont feel that you have evaluated the situation carefully enough.
You say "prevent further...."? I don't buy your argument for a second- you cannot guarantee at all – your argument doesn't hold water.
If you had said "enable more....." then I might listen regardless of what side of the issue you are on. Get an education.
Probably because they aren't paid enough, or given enough vacation in return for their excellence.
Newsflash: Piers Morgan just blew a jugular.
Piers should go back to England instead of bringing his Socialist ideas here.
Morgan is a D-bag
6 weeks of training? I'm sorry 6 weeks won't cut it. They need to stop with the Band-Aid solutions and find a realistic one. They are paid to come up with solutions so do your job. Teachers are still people influenced by variables that will make them unstable, a target, or just a hazard waiting to happen. Arming teachers will be very ineffective if you consider relative backgrounds. Although I hate to say it, if there is a will there is a way. Media causes the idea to persist (gun violence) and there are plenty of ways to go around doing things that I will not post (especially when its an easy means, low resource requirement and high impact that doesn't involve explosives) because some angst driven teenager or adult might get a notion to do something with an idea. Steps need to be taken at the fundamental level and security needs to be put in practical and out-of-sight places to deal with the "Non-daily" scenarios.
That's why he is an EX-Principal.
Can we agree that what humans do is who they are? That actions define character? In 2000 years of "modern" history war has been shown to most simply be what men do when they are out of ideas. Excepting World War 3, war can best be described as nations kicking the can of hatred and intolerance farther down the road. War solves little and delays every issue for which they are fought. So too is the rule of the gun. More guns does not equal more safety. Instead, the issues of mental illness and our inherent violent natures get postponed each time we arm up. Instead, could we not bite the bullet and own our behavior and our human nature? War and guns have gotten us here and ultimately where are we?
Self defense is common sense. Of course this is good. Criminals laugh at gun laws.
Criminals laugh at laws period, that is why they are *criminals*.
hmmmm.....more guns...more killing. One year til a student gets hands on said gun. Adults dont respect cops with guns....they kids have no fear...
Arm all the teachers and watch how many innocent people will be killed. Teachers are human...they get angry, they experience mental illness, they snap under stress, they get paranoid, they make mistakes and poor judgments. Flooding schools with guns is not the answer...treating the root problem is the answer. 350 million handguns and hundreds of thousands of other types of guns, with a hundred thousand more being sold annually in the U.S. (that has a population of 300 million) cannot have a peaceful outcome, and bringing guns into the classroom will be a disaster. This is common sense.
Eliminating guns is not common sense. Self defense is common sense. If you could locate every firearm on the planet and destroy them all, then how would a small woman stop a rapist, or an elderly man stop a murderer? Weapons are good – they prevent the tyranny of brutes. "Flood" the schools with weapons? No one is recommending that.
Pepper spray is the answer!
Liberals and Piers Morgan would rather have abortion clinics in High School than a gun to defend them.
I am a liberal democrat and you are 100% correct.
Cannot wait until a student takes the gun off a teacher... these people are on suicide missions. Guns will not deter them. Armed police at each school is a much better and safer option.
Or when a student, knowing the teacher is armed, becomes confrontational. Kids don't always think rationally. They are emotional and naturally contest authority when it is rubbed in their faces. A gun-packing home ec teacher is not exactly threatening.
Wait until SWAT shoots the teacher thinking they are the suspect.
Don't convey your opinion like your an imbecile/idiot. But who cares? But just in case re-read the article and pretend it's not about you. And don't forget about the dead children when you come to the end of each sentence (you can count, right?).
The day let my child attend a school with guns in a classroom is the day Hell freezes over!!!!!!! I am so sick of the gun crazy Americans running around yelling things like "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"!!! This obsession with guns in this country is out of control.
I hope other States don't copy this nonsense move, if not the only solution would be private schools.
We should write to Senators, everybody and tell them that we don't want this craziness in our schools...each letter counts
Indeed. But this is nothing new. Europe has been laughing at us since the beginning. It's only dumb luck that this country ever achieved anything with so many morons coursing through it.
Arm them all to the teeth!
America ignores its biggest terrorist Organization the NRA while they succeed in spreading fear, fear of being shot by a madman with a gun, fear of not being armed in order to protect yourself, fear that your kid might get mouthy with the wrong teacher on the wrong day and end up dead! What will it take for America to ban this organization they are terrorists they used to be good back in the 60's and 70's but now they are nothing more than a social mouth piece for gun manufactures.
Exactly. And the NRA is the PR front for the gun industry...they exist to increase gun sales.
I think the purpose of the NRA is to push a wedge issue so that politicians can run to the right of it and sweep up votes. I can't imagine that allowing crazy people to get guns is opening significant new markets for gun sales.
BTW I am a liberal gun owner, who believes strongly in the second amendment.
We don't need no stinking paddles.
You trust the teachers with your child for half the day, but do not trust them to posses a gun? If a person is not responsible enough to carry a gun and only use it in an emergency they are not responsible enough to teach my child. How about yours? I don't think this will result in "more guns". I bet most of the teachers already have the gun at home. This seems an important thing to consider since half of the people claim that schools would become less safe. Are existing homes less safe if they contain a gun? Do you think the teachers are at home threatening their own children with a gun? "Billy! You better take out that trash right now or I'll put a .40 in your a$$!" How does this "give access" to the students? If I wear jeans to a school does that give kids access to them? My car keys are in my pocket, but that doesn't give students access to my car does it?
So your definition of "responsible" is defined by if they know how to kill another person with a gun? Your world is F@!@#%kd.
I think they need to be responsible enough to determine when a situation may be improved with the use of a gun. Such as a student shooting other classmates. I would not consider them a responsible gun owner if they threatened a class with it because they were having a bad day, or "flipped out".
I agree with you that it does not take a genius or a responsible person to kill another person with a gun.
I also agree the world you an I live in is "F@!@#%kd" regardless of the outcome of this decision.
'If a person is not responsible enough to carry a gun and only use it in an emergency they are not responsible enough to teach my child. How about yours?'
What the hell kind of logic is that?
Exisiting homes with guns are more dangerous. Where do the accidental shootings happen? A house without a gun?
What about break-ins and other events, are those households more safe without a gun? We need to get some real numbers in order to reach a proper conclusion. You could be right.
I have members of my family who are teachers and no way would like to see them with a gun, one thing is teaching and other is to transform them into security guys. Crazy.
I know some people like that too. The information that teachers are communicating with our children will define the future of the world in which we live. The weight of that fact should, in my opinion, be heftier then this gun debate.
Are there certain people you do trust with a gun? Around students? Their are likely many police officers you would not think should have guns either.
I have members of my family who are teachers and no way would like to see them with a gun, one thing is teaching and other is to transform them into security guys. Crazy.
I seemed to have missed the lesson on the proper use of their / there (and likely other several grammatical principles). Perhaps if the teacher would have gotten through better if they held a gun to my head. :-)
When a bomb injures and kills, we study the bomber, his background and his motives. When a gun injures and kills, we study the gun.
Stop wasting your time on a thread. Write your Senator. Don't assume he or she listens, but it does more than this nonsense will. http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
write your STATE senator. Mind your own busines. Don't make more federal law
You have a rebel flag don't you?
I wrote my senator to support armed guards in schools. That includes teachers.
I don't see the big deal. You probably walk past several armed people every day and don't even know it.
How would you feel if you did know it though?
You all need to get a grip. This isn't your school that is arming up. If it is, you're free to complain.
Extremism and craziness..Good for GOP and NRA and the industry...Now we are moving back the economy buying more guns....More deaths.... Lets add the students also...
I am a former police officer and a current high school teacher. Many people have told me that I would be a good candidate for carrying a gun in the classroom. My response to them is that I would not want the liability. If there was an armed assailant in the school, it would be impossible to exchange gunfire without endangering kids. So, after killing or disabling an attacker, I could lose everything I own to lawsuits from an injured child's family. No thanks.
Then there is the issue of compensation. If teachers take on the additional duties of armed guards, they should be paid more for providing that service. Otherwise – just hire some full-time armed guards and let teachers focus on teaching.
One the most sane posts I have read here.
Probably better to hire a guard. But what if the school can't afford one? Let the teacher be the guard with proper training.
His point is the teacher should bu dully compensated for the dual role. From a total liability standpoint, I am guessing the school, if they felt they needed it, would find a way. Plus, are all teachers supposed to be armed guards now?
'Plus, are all teachers supposed to be armed guards now?'
When we get to that point you may as well admit that society has failed.
Will the school force the teacher to carry a weapon as a condition of his or her employment? Will the school provide insurance and legal advice in case of a lawsuit? Will the school pay the teacher for getting required training, providing security services, practicing with their weapon, keeping it maintained, and obtaining a permit? Will the school let a teacher volunteer to carry a weapon in the classroom without any required training?
Moderators remove this comment immediately.. Too well thought out.
perhaps the only qualified response: someone who has been in both roles.
Would they not qualify for full pension after 20 years then, as they are then carrying a firearm in the performing of their duties. This idea has not been carefully considered. Sad that this consideration comes first rather than the current and unfortunate misinterpretation of the intent of the 2nd amendment. This current, unbridled access to weapons was NOT what our founding fathers intended. One wonders how many more will die before this insanity ends.
How about being armed to protect YOURSELF? You must not have family that count on you.
I am much more motivated to carry a weapon to protect kids than to protect myself. I have a wife and two grown sons, but I would sacrifice myself to save my students without even giving it a second thought. I've lived 46 good years, but my students are just getting started. My school practices lockdown procedures all the time, and I have a plan to protect my class if an attacker tried to come in. I think about it every day.
So happy my kids are finished with school.
How about your grandchild?
It is just crazy to think that your children will be with guns all day long
and that's controlled by someone other than you!!!!!
Since more guns will create more safety, shouldn't all the children be armed as well?
Absolutely. Especially 4-year olds. And my dog as well. Because he can run fast.
Insanity! Private education tuition will go up at least.
instead of having all these security measures on airplanes, we should require the possession of a firearm instead. Also, we should abandon the firearm free zones around the president, way too dangerous. Maybe, while we're at it, let's legalize automatic and heavy weapons, because what would happen if the bad guys had one of those?
Liberals don't seem to understand that evil exists in this world and no laws against guns, bombs, knives, etc. will work. Police can't be everywhere at all times. So we the citizens must protect ourselves. Stop believing that the government will solve all your problems and be more self-sufficient!
I'm not even a liberal and I find this resemblance to the wild west to be disturbing.
"Disturbing" that evil exists? 911 can take 5-10 min. to show up if you are lucky enough to be able to call. What part of this is hard to understand? I think a person that doesn't have a means of self defense is being irresponsible.
Columbine had a uniformed armed guard, he wasn't effective. The simple truth is that armed teachers are just one more target for both the shooter and the police. There is a small chance it could help, but a better chance that one of those weapons would end up in the wrong hands.
Thank You!!! What if the Goverment turns on the ppl, how will we protect ourselfs from them? As You see in Turkey every goverment is 1 teargas can away when u dont agree with them. I am making sure i am armed to protect me and my family...im not worried about armed crazy ppl doing random shootings. Its bigger than that...
Lets look at that statement.
"evil exists in this world and no laws against guns, bombs, knives, etc. will work. Police can't be everywhere at all times. So we the citizens must protect ourselves..."
So you agree and support giving guns into the hands of people who are or potently could become "evil" (that is you word) These people will work around our children, have access to their firearm and could potently take in into their own homes, or in out in public.
I'm not saying that EVERYONE is going to become a psychopath. But this a very large movement, spreading across many school districts, and many states. There ARE going to a few apples that will turn sour. And I don't feel comfortable putting so many small children in such a violate situation.
On top of this, many school employees will not know how to handle a situation involving a school shooting, should one arise. The average person relies on involuntary muscle control to keep themselves out of danger, say if a shot is fired, everyone immediately ducks. It is instinct!
http://www.fraternalorderoflawenforcement.com/content/Instinctive%20Shooting.pdf <<<-One of the first lines of the PDF is how firearm instructors don't take in account how fear plays a important role when people are in dangerous situations.
Extremism and craziness..Good for GOP and NRA and the industry...Now we are moving back the economy buying more guns....More deaths....
Gun deaths have been on the decline according to the CIA, and gun purchases are on the upswing.
What were you saying? more guns =more deaths? Tell that to DC or detroit
Actually BO has been the greatest gun and ammo salesman of all times. Since he has been in office sales have skyrocketed. Keep up the good work BO.
Will schools now be legally responsible if someone's kid dies in one of these tragic events and they fail to protect everyone?
And what about a teacher who decides to go postal? It has to be next.
I recently read where a teacher was fired because she told misbehaving students that she was ready to go postal if they did not behave.
When a bomb goes off, we study the bomber, his background and his motive(s). When a gun goes off, we study the gun.
Here's the critical difference:
We try to keep C4 and dynamite out of the hands of mentally unstable people. But guns are OK for everyone.
We already HAVE guns in schools. Los Angleles, one of the more restrictive cities for guns, has over 73% of its high schools and some junior high schools with armed guards.
GREATEST IDEA EVER.
What are we teaching our kids? If a kid feels threatened by a bully, should they take the matters into their own hands? That may not be the intent but you can see the clear message if teachers carry guns to protect themselves and kids...what is the difference when a 12 year old victim of bullying brings his or her own gun to protect him/herself?
If they are gonna do this, they ought to provide negotiations training and how to talk someone out of shooting as well. The goal is to avoid death and injury and you should consider all possibilities rather than just the one with a trigger.
That could be the stupidest thing I have ever read....ever....
Absolutely proves that there is such a thing as a true vacuum in the universe... Let me hug you, then you won't shoot me crazy person...
LaPierre asked. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.
– how about not letting every pyscho path walk into a gun show and purchase a gun on the spot without even showing ID. That could work too, you moron.
Except that you're still living in a fantasy world where guns are borderline handed out with no questions asked at gun shows. You ignorant people have milked this to unbelievable levels. Let me reiterate for the 10,000th time – there IS NOT GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE. If someone buys a firearm from a dealer at a gun show, they STILL complete a background check. The only time a background check is not required is one it's a private sale between two people. That does NOT have to happen at a gun show, and 9 times out of 10 it doesn't. You can sell one to a person at a 7-11, or a parking lot, or a library, etc. etc. No gun show needed. Get your facts straight before you regurgitate this kind of nonsense.
Hey moron I have never heard of one god damned gun show where a gun can be purchased without an I.d. Where the heck you been going to gun shows?
Yes, we need to teach kids how to defend for themselves. Life is just that way. And yes, when a kid is bullied he/she should know exactly to deal with it.
And informing a teacher is a perfectly acceptable way of dealing with it.
She really looks like she could handle that thing...
Yes, she sure does. She's following the four rules; the gun is pointed in a safe direction and her finger's off the trigger.
Look there's a huge fire!!! I know!...let's dump gasoline on it!!!
Look there's a huge fire. Let's not use the fire extinguisher to put it out because we could be doing the wrong thing. Let's wait 15-20 minutes for the fire department to show up and handle it. Only now everyone has died of smoke inhalation and the neighbors house is on fire.
How's your strawman doing today?
This would seem to be the opposite of what the Barack Hussein administration wanted to accomplish following the Newtown tragedy, and I'm glad to see that happening. While I'm concerned to know guns will be in schools, at least teachers will be equipped to fight back.
Show some respect and call the President by his given name, include his last name if you're gonna give his middle name. It's disrespectful people like you who cause so many of society's current problems.
She wants to imply that he is a Muslim. TBI...typical bagger idiot.
Not like anyone ever called the last one GW, Huh?
Bet you would be too chicken to be a teacher though. Let others ou themselves in harms way while you prattle on and instigate from the safety of your idiocy.
The Guns Over People tea potty strike again. 2014 comes quickly for them.
Hell yes arm everyone
The opposite of progress is regress. Congratulations we are reverting to the 18th century wild west.What a proud country!
Hell yes.......get rid of you skinny jean wearing yaggggots too
Brain dead redneck!
The "Wild West" time period had less crime than today.
Stupidest idea ever!
This is PURE STUPIDITY. The gun lobby wins because of these idi0t bibl3 thump1ng r3dneck souther3r r3tards. Have fun watching your ch1ldren get shot in the face accidentally more often. Brainwash3d m0ron repub1can tr4sh.
I wish I was a fly on the wall to see you type all of that, just to get your message out there sans moderation. Also, you spelled southerners incorrectly (not including the 3).
In the absence of any measures that will keep guns out of students hands, this is a completely reasonable step in protecting the students. It WILL be effective.
OK...everyone in line A or B
Line A gets training and a concealed carry permit
Line B apologizes to the NRA because the NRA is right.
yes lets get rid of those advertised gun free killing zones where big pharma mind rotted people malfunction and ill people! support those 240,000 american gun jobs! quit letting the media tell you how to feel vs WHAT REALLY IS! WHAT REALLY IS, IS BIG PHARMA KILLS PEOPLE! ssristories .com/index.html but we dont hear that story now do we???? so why should any of the rest of the stories be credible with missing details THAT ARE IMPORTANT AND ARE KEY??!! how about 9/11 truth? how about fake war truth?
Holy $ hit! You want me to lock my gun in a vault 30 feet underground when your kid is around... But are going to let me kids weird 2nd grade teacher go to school strapped. NO THANKS
Another wacky idea that the Republicans are pushing, If you use cash to buy anything, you have to show picture ID. This is the latest from the crazy Republicans.
Like it or not, you liberals ride on the coattails of those who regularly defend your precious freedoms you so blatantly take for granted.
Like it or not, the people you are referring to are fighting to protect the rights that liberals won for them.
I admit, there is potential for some good to come out of this. If a shooter did bust in a class room, an armed teacher could shoot the armed person.
However. The risks are too great. It is dumb to think we can arm all teachers. What about the teachers that don't want a gun in the classroom? What, do they get fired? What if a malfunctioning gun goes off, it does happen. What if a child gets his or her hands on the teachers gun for some reason, because the teacher was irresponsible with it for a minute.
So many things can go wrong.
It is just a bad idea overall and the risks outweigh the potential benefits. Plain and simple.
better if each group of teachers were part of a trained and orgainized militia, instead of each teacher acting independently.
" What if a malfunctioning gun goes off, it does happen."
Uh, maybe at the beginning of the last CENTURY, but no, they DO NOT go off on their own. The only time they go off is when someone is negligent. That's what the training is for, to prevent unsafe practices and to teach proper handling of firearms.
Jason, the risks you list are not real or overblown. No one recommends arming teachers who don't want to be armed. Many teachers are already concealed carry permit holders; they would simply carry at school as they already do elsewhere. No one would be fired for refusing to carry, as no one would be asked to carry who doesn't want to and doesn't have the training. Would accidents happen due to a malfunction or a kid getting hold of a teacher's gun? Within the realm of possibility, but it would be very rare. Other accidents – getting hurt on a playgorund, injured in a bus crash – are much more likely. The point is, the up side – defending against a murderer – outweighs the down side.
My thoughts exactly! On the other hand, armed security guards might work with "less" risk, but do we really want our kids going to school barricaded in with armed guards?
Well said. Putting tens of thousands of guns into the schools system may reduce the massacres but we'll see less spectacular 1 or 2 person killings. Or maybe the psychos will have to make bombs instead. Sure you can conceal a weapon but when that "concealed" weapon is on the teacher every day there will be clever kids who figure that out. And, any anonymity will be lost. Disturbed students will know exactly who to get a gun from and who to kill next to keep themselves armed. You don't need an assault rifle if you have a nearly limitless source of handguns nearby.
The US military spends millions and months training people not pee down their leg when the bullets fly and EMS gets months of field training and ER time so they don't panic when the get horrific scenes and these people are going to get a 3 day class on how to attack someone whose shooting at you and how to walk among the number of dead and wounded. Get real.
Fort Hood had plenty of guns and good guys. Soldiers still died that day.
The shooter didn't open fire on a firing range, which is the ONLY place those soldiers would have had live ammo unless they were Military Police. Guess that arguement doesn't hold SOS.
How do you know if a teacher is a nutcase or not? On the day they let teachers carry firearms in my town, my kids would not be going to school anymore.
Incorrect, O Rly. The Ft. Hood massacre took place in a "gun free" zone. No one was allowed to carry a weapon – other than the small number of military police who were not in the immediate area.
No, the Fort Hood victims were not armed. They were standing around in a processing center. Not a firearm in sight, until the armed guards arrived.
It may not be a perfect solution, but if I were in that situation I'd take my chances with a gun instead of just cowering in a corner, waiting to be shot.
Welcome to the Military States of America. No wonder people in other countries think Americans have lost their minds, they have.
Actually no they didn't. While on base the military is as disarmed as any civilian. I wish you didn't assume things. The only people allowed to carry weapons on base are Military Police. Hence why so many people died. Major Hasan admitted going to that location because he could maximize his kill count on soldiers getting ready to deploy. No weapons, learn to read and then conclude not the other way around.
...hopefully, not my state!
I want to know how these lawmakers think teachers are going to use these guns in the case of an emergency, because where are they going to keep them? guns will obviously have to be locked up in the room, so as a teacher i am going to run over to a "safe" and unlock it and grab my gun, in this amount of time damage is already done
The 'obvious' thing is your ability to think. What part of concealed do you need explained?
conceal it where moron? you think i am going to walk around with a gun under my shirt, you are a complete bafoon
If this becomes legal in my state, I'm homeschooling. That's absolutely insane. I can recognize guns have a place in our society, but teachers??? If it's that necessary to have an armed person on campus (and I'm guessing on 99% of campuses it is completely unnecessary) hire a cop.
yeah...one cop or an entire armed staff. I think the likely hood of a crime being successful drastically goes down with the teachers being armed.
An armed and trained staff acting as a unit. What one might vcall a well organized militia. Not every teacher would have to volunteer to be armed, but if those who did were tarined to work together they would be a deterrent. also a group of teachers are likely to be moderate, responsible gun owners.
You my dferar are wrong-if assailants believe you have a gun they will think twice before going after you-that is true for home and school and work-move to England if you don't like the trend!
Stupid idea. Another way for the firearm co's. to roll in the $. Disgraceful how this country worships violence. God and Guns, what a combo.
Lately, religion and violence tend to go hand in hand....
ever read the old testament. old testament equals religion and violence
Great idea. They do it in Israel and it works great.
Can't wait to hear that the next shooting spree will be by an armed teacher:)
What you fail to mention is that In Isreal everyone is required to join the military. Citizens get formal trainingover years, not weeks.
Keep security in the hands of trained professionals that not only know how to pull a trigger but how to act and defuse tense situations.
No way am I going to have my kids in class with gun toting teachers that only did target practice and a 6 week gun education class in summer camp. That is insane. Security and safety is more than a gun.
I was just about to say the same thing... how easy would it be under this law for a disgruntled teacher to walk into the school armed.
This country is NUTS. We are idiots if we think arming MORE people is the answer. The gun manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank!
LoL, the americans dont need enemys, they are doing a good job destroying themselves.
The lobbyist run this nation and the states, the voters no longer have a vote or choice. The lobbyist have brought out our lawmakers with millions.
It sounds like a preposterous plan, but anything is worth trying at this point. So long as they vet teachers through a psychologist and install a decent gunsafe in the room and keep them out of view of students, then it shouldn't be harmful.
Can't wait to see the lawsuits roll in when a teacher accidentally shoots a student, some student gets hold of one of these guns, etc. The lawyers are already licking their chops waiting for the first wrongful death suit they can extract 20% for.
Or purposely shoots one. It's only a matter of time. But hey, just think of the kickbacks the NRA will get from the gun manufacturers.
The schools will get liability insurance. That liability insurance will likely be lower than the liability insurance they have for arming no teachers.
Insurance is based on statistics. Given the statistics iof gun death in this country, do you really think an insurance company is going to go "You just put guns in your schools – we are going to lower you liability insurance?" You really don't understand how insurance works, do you?
I would say the insurance will, on balance, go down. The insurance company won't see a difference between an armed security guard and an armed teacher. Arguably, the teachers know the "problem" students better than the security guards, so they are at an advantage.
Boy! Did you hit it on the head!
This the single stupidest thing that could be done.
When a teacher shoots a student the next NRA recommendation will be to arm the students.
What if the teacher is the crazy one?
Then they'll bring it despite any laws.
If the teacher is the crazy one they would have done it already. A sign saying Gun Free Zone wouldn't have stopped them, just like it didnt stop all the others.
I can read the headlines now......... Student gets ahold of teachers gun....... or maybe even....teacher hit wrong person when shooting at assumed criminal
That's still better than one madman taking out 20 to 40 kids.
What happens if an intruder comes in and the teacher is not near the firearm or it is locked up (I hope to keep kids from "accidently" gaining access)? By the time the teach recognizes the threat the armed intruder has taken her out. Now they will be gunning for the teachers and nobody will be left to protect the kids when they are all dead!
Glad I don't have any kids in schools anymore and don't teach anymore. This is a civil disturbances waiting to happen.
I wonder if Liberals still think a deranged person with guns would look at a NON-gun free school as a potential target. No, of course not. Why would they attack a place that's going to put them in danger?
Actually, if they are deranged, they probably don't care.
Funny that you say that because every mass shooting has happened in a gun-free zone with the exception of Tuscon
Most school killers end up killing selves anyway - makes no difference if classroom is armed. This is wrong on so many levels.
I've been teaching for 20 years, and have been teaching teachers for 10 years. The low pay has already drained a lot of talent, leaving many schools to fill positions with anybody they can find. Putting guns in the hands of many of these people will lead to student deaths, administrator deaths, and teacher deaths at the hands of school employees. Teaching is hard enough, and the pay is bad enough (especially in the states listed that allow teachers to carry guns), that now you want them to work in an environment with weapons. It's always the same thing... when our society doesn't know how to handle a problem it's "let the teachers take care of it."
Speculation does not equal fact
Your ENTIRE argument is "speculation"... speculating that armed teachers WILL work. Wow, perhaps a remedial course in argumentation and logic is in your future.
Would a shooter attack a place where they're likely to get killed? Um, the shooter winds up dying– either at their own hand or at law enforcement's– in almost all of these cases anyway, so there is no deterrent value there. Nice try.
Stupid answer. A shooter wants to shoot a place up where he can rack up as many deaths as he can before the police show up. If a teacher is armed the threat it stopped immediately. Try using reason next time – I know it's hard for you Liberals
Except that you stop a person who is trying to killing hundreds of innocent kids.
It's this kind of thinking that has caused the escalation in types of weapons over the years.
Next we will be saying we should arm the students to protect themselves. This insanity must stop.
The crazy STATE lawmakers, promoting the NRA and selling more guns. The NRA will get more money from the gun producers if the lawmakers succeed. I wonder how many millions the NRA is paying these state lawmakers for pasting this bill.
We still aren't doing anything about the root of the problem. We need to get people who mentally ill help as soon as possible. It needs to be free and easy to get help. I'm more than willing to pay a little more in taxes to get mentally ill people help, how can a few more dollars in taxes compare to potentially saving a life or lives?
This is the first rational thought I've read on here. Good job Arick.
How are the schools in Costa Rica? Time to get out of this crazy country.
Costa Rica? Who cares...bye bye
You have got to be kidding me... I'm pro-gun and I even find this absolutely ridiculous.
Oh ...if your pro gun you wouldnt say that,
America you have turned into a bunch of slack jawwwin yaggggots
Agreed some people on this earth are not capable of handling this responsibility. You never know how someone will react until put in a sitiuation where there life is on the line. Who is to say the teachers wont be the one going postal?
What could possibly go wrong? Sigh...
Wow hope she has her glasses on when she starts shooting ~ oh wait I laid them down for minute where are they gunman hold on till I find them ~
Yeah your right...Let her try and defend herself with a stapler.
This country is getting more stupid every year.....UNBELIEVABLE.
Wow.. She looks like she will take down a few kids for not having done homework...
Whats to ensure that an armed teacher doesnt go on a killing spree just because he/she had just about enough dealing with "not-so-disciplined" students... ?
I expect something like that to happen in the next 3 to 5 years.
ReallY? Is this the best you have? LOL.....
The "best"? No, just one in a long line of why it's a bad idea.
It would frighten you silly if you knew just how true it IS.
My favorite response is: Whoever supports this has never been to a staff meeting!
You Americans are stupid if you think guns in a classroom are a good idea. You're all so blind to the root of the problem.
Sometimes a view from the outside is enlightening.
Well said and to the point. Ok so now all the class rooms are armed ~ the kooks will just pick another target. Good luck to the teacher that fires and hits the wrong person. Quite a different situation talking about it and actually having to defend the class room. But then all the gun manfs. are leaping with joy at the increase in sales.
Great point. Teachers are targets for lawsuits for a long list of laws that have to be followed in the classroom. The way people talk to each other on this blog are immediate grounds for dismissal in a school setting. Teachers are trained to educate, not be policemen. One misfire, one stray bullet that kills a student... smh, it's not worth it.
I agree and I'm American
you're stupid if you think all americans feel this way, pot call kettle black much?
Yet you continue to leech whatever you can from our culture. Even reading our news. Go start your own awesome place to live.
I call someone's home& there's a baby crying. I tell them that I can't understand them because the baby is making too much noise. A- Remove the baby or B-Let's all talk louder.
We dont care what you think...lol...Why dont you worry about your own stupid azz country...
Cars are a great idea until someone loses control, drives recklessly, drives intoxicated, drives without breaks due to maintenance neglect, falls asleep at the wheel. Yeah, we better not drive cars because someone just might get harmed.
Exactly!!!! Better outlaw them too!!! And cigarettes alcohol and food too. Those all kill. More than gun shootings do. By far! Food kills the most and yet we need it to survive. Water... You can drown....
If you believe that the staff of Sandy Hook would have survived if only.................. Then you are fooling yourself
I hear toasters and Turkey bakers are on the rise...
Cars are for transportation and they are in use all over the world.
The polls show Obama is a crook.
Not for Sam, but for the eeee-diot who made their claim of Obama's poll rating:
Given his numbers haven't budged in these last four GOP-orchestrated scandals and George Bush would have died for the same approval rating is a direct indicator of how foolish this comment is.
Yeah, that why we have a DMV. We license drivers every five years, more if they had an accident or have medical problems. We test their driving, their eyesight, in some cases hearing. We also create an entire division of cops called the Highway Patrol to monitor cars driving on the road. We can also impound vehicles if the drivers are dangerous.
I think since guns are even more dangerous than cars, as the gun was designed from the ground up to kill living things, we should create a even stronger DMV type organization for gun owners. Make sure gun owners are licensed every few years, makes sure they get each and every gun registered, make sure they know how to use it, make sure they use it safely with patrol officers checking up on people, etc., etc.
A car, when used properly, will not kill anybody. A gun, when used properly, will. I know the difference is hard to understand for some people, but what can we expect with the American education system?
But more people are killed every year by cars than guns.....so.......Shouldnt we BAN cars?
The the same eeee-diot who made the Obama poll rating claim, this time making the (yawn) car comparison which we've all rolled our eyes over the first time we saw it, which was many many many weeks ago:
Apple /orange. A completely irrelevant argument designed to trivialize a very serious problem. But given you're so into approval ratings and all, you know how ineffective this has been given the numbers of people who are for stiffer gun legislation has gone up since it was first floated.
Given it's fair to assume you are a Tea Party supporter, let me throw you a bone: Go to your secret Tea Party member phone directory. Call some big (powder) -wig from your movement, tell them that sending ricin laced letters to the POTUS isn't helping your cause, not in the least.
Stop, please stop with this asinine comparison. Read this carefully; A car and a gun are not the same thing. They have different uses. A car is used to transport people and goods. A gun is used to kill something. While automobiles can kill, they also bring much good to society. Which could you live without more, your gun or your car? It is logical, rational, and reasonable to regulate these items differently. Many people believe the that firearms cause more harm than good and want them strictly controlled. If you disagree, at least present a rational argument.
Surely you understand the difference between something that can be misused and kill people vs. something that is designed to kill people? Also we require driving classes to attempt to instill a bit of safety into drivers. Most places have no such requirement to purchase a handgun. Would you accept required gun safety courses with a written and practical exam before you're allowed to own or fire a gun?
So, will teachers now be regarded as part of "well regulated Militia"?
Yep, Militia Training is scheduled for Sat Morn. 9:00 a.m. sharp. We will be practicing IED Removal & RPG Tactics.
You raise a valid point. If teachers are organized and trained, then they would be a valid militia. I would much rather have a group of (voluntarily) armed teachers, trained as a group, than having tecahers armed as individuals acting independently. There are places for "well regulated" militias, even in today's societies. this may be one example.
Teachers are already part of the militia. In current law, the militia is the entire adult population. Originally, all adult males from 18-45 yrs.
But are they Well Trained ?
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." How about keeping the gun from the bad guy a gun in the FIRST place ?!
So how do we prevent bad guys from getting guns? Hmm, let's pass some laws!!!! Make some scary looking guns illegal!! Yeah, that is working out real good now, isn't it?
My father was born in Houston. He's an Aggie. Heck, he's a republican. He would never say anything this stupid so I must assume he's a Texan exception.
Wow reason & logic. You must be a conservative.
Good luck with that.
I hope the woman in the pic is educated a bit. That gun is way to big for her. As a firearm instructor I'd have here using a much smaller one.
For some reason I think it is a rubber trainer.
Her shirt is hiding her massive forearm muscles. She can shoot a .44 magnum with one hand.
Its just a picture bro relax Rambo.
LOL. THAT was brilliant Good form!
Close minded people do not realize I guess that "its not guns that kill people, its people that kill people.". So if we outlaw all these firearms magazines ammo, whatever you want to oulaw next, it isn't going to stop any sick f#*k from going into a school and killing a bunch of kids. They will purchase illegally or worse yet, make a bomb in their basement. Then you are stuck with a nut bag with a bomb and no way to stop him because stupid people don't think. Our country was made the way it was from proud people protecting their land family and their neighbors. It is our second amendment that gave us the right to bear arms. Don't get rid of the one thing that CAN protect our children from these nut cases.I'd rather my children in a classroom where I know they would have more of a chance knowing that there was some protection there. Some think a teacher will accidentally kill a child, which is highly unlikely. Its not like the trained teacher will show it off for show n tell. But it will stop a sicko from killing someones child.
Just because some don't agree with you does not mean all are closed minded. We could say the same of you because you don't agree with us.
Pretty sure he is right, people kill people. Does that make you close minded for targeting guns? Probably.
Tes...but Libtardz dont care....most of the are as dumb as a rock.
Keep it up, please! As a proud libtard I could ask nothing else of you, because this nonsense is what got the GOP shellacked in the last election.
Ppl think liberals hate Michele Bachmann. Trust me when I tell you the we are the most upset that she's pulling out of her current job – because she remains a huge asset to us. Crazy sells and becase of your and her brand of crazy, we are benefiting.
This is what I don't understand and because of this, I find these types of comments hugely selfish. In all seriousness, please educate me on this.
There are 85% of the voters out there who now support stiffer gun regulations, not removing the AR-15-ish rifles from the market. If you are a law abiding citizen by virtue of your record, if you have no history of mental disorder this should be a complete non issue to you.... so what is the problem with stiffer gun regulations? Even is you're one of those conceal carry superdad's who dream of the day they came save the day by killing the crazy bad guy who
s spraying bullets in your local, these regulations will make your self-appointed job easier. What's the problem?
There are a percentage of people sporting gun regulations who want the AR-15 and large cap magazines removed – this is true. This still leaves gun advocates thousands of choices. What's the problem?
What I'm getting at is historically in this country, positions of utter stubbornness never win. This isn't about the 2nd amendment – that's a ruse and the wise among us know this. This is a plea for compromise so that all American's, not just the 15% who want no change can have a sense of security which is paramount to all of our well-being.
Remember, the NRA doesn't give two you know what's about your pastime. Their only concern is the money they are going to loose from the cash they get from the gun manufacturers.
Why do people forget that it was not that long ago that schools had firearm classes for both boys and girls?
Maybe this can be a way to re introduce what shooting is/was all about. I heard of some schools having a .22 cal club that met after school and competed against each other. Hopefully this would teach the kids that firearms are not bad when handled properly and by trained personnel.
Just a thought.
There's going to be a lot of "George Zimmerman" cases arming teachers. Plenty of high school punks will be shot by their teachers. Hey, maybe that would be a good idea. These punks won't be messing with their armed teacher.
Exactly! Time to take out the trash in America's classrooms! The punks who will get shot are largely black anyways so that's a lot of money in Welfare checks and prison costs the taxpayer will save!
And most racist comment of the day goes to you sir. May karma be kind to you.
Students should be able to pound teachers' heads into pavement and break their noses if they wish without fearing deadly repercussions just for risking teachers' possible deaths.
You are the type that needs some help. Were you not loved as a child? Or you just crazy
"The sky is falling".....The man that cried wolf story?
Gun control is a totalitarian idea. Long-live freedom. Long-live safety. May no good man ever be punished for the deeds of an evil few.
I teach at a university in Utah, and have carried a concealed firearm in every class I have taught since they have made it legal to do so in 2007. No accidents. No distractions.
University is different from elementary school.
I'm for the second amendment. I believe people should be armed if they choose to be, but I also believe that firearms aren't appropriate in every setting. I don't believe that primary school (K-12) is a place where people should be carrying. I don't believe it would be a deterrent for a would-be psychopath. It just seems like it invites trouble. An armed guard, with training in the tactics necessary to to defend a school from a maniac would be acceptable. It would be his only job. Teachers have enough to worry about without adding firearms into the mix.
You are trully ignorant! Every situation is the right situation to cary a gun. You never know when your life could be in danger. You could be in a church or anywere for that matter. please take your head out of your Libtard azz
That's true. It is different. Because it is legal in Utah, there are also students in my class who are carrying concealed. When you carry, you know what to look for and last semester I know for a fact that there were at least three other firearms in the room besides my own. Again no accidents or distractions. Can you imagine what would happen to someone who came into that classroom intend on doing harm?
In K-12 the ONLY line of defense those kids have are the teachers. They cannot defend themselves. Police are five minutes out in the best case and by then the harm has been done.
They need an active shooter plan like the website of the same name.
I truly believe the staff and students at Sandy Hook could have had a fighting chance had any of the staff been armed that day... there's no guarantee of course, but a fighting chance is better than no chance at all. As far as I know some staff members crossed paths with the gunman before he entered any of the classrooms... what if he never got passed that front door? What if just one of the classrooms he entered was spared because he was stopped by a staff member with a coneal carry weapon? Knowing the school allows conceal carry... would he have even entered the school? It's no secret these people target those who are vulnerable and every school that displays a "no weapons allowed sign" is vulnerable. Training and laws should most certainly be in place and it should be voluntary for the teachers and staff.... but a poster isn't going to stop a gunman...more gun laws aren't going to stop a gunman... a good guy with a gun might just be able to though...
this website needs a "like" button for articles. lol
What fighting chance? The guy was armed to the teeth; and I don't doubt bulletproof vest. This tragedy happened because of all those guns the mom collected. The only chance the kids had if the staff had a granade to toss at him.
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The kids at Sandy Hook would have had a fighting chance had assault weapons been banned and the shooter had, well just a six shooter and a few rounds as oppposed to hundreds of rounds!
It sounds to me like Mr. Bond has no training and no experience whatsoever in firearms. His statements are as unrealistic as they are baseless.
Someone posted about background checks on teachers. If a teacher has anything in his/her background that would prohibit carrying a firearm, then that person is most likely also not a good candidate for a teacher. Maybe these sentinel programs could help weed out some bad teachers. And for for jinx9to88, you obviously also lack experience and training in firearms.
Victims dont just happen. No one wakes up and says "You know I think I'll get robbed or beaten or raped today". Criminals seek out "weak" targets to prey upon. They dont seek out the guy or gal who has a 17-shot .40 caliber on their side. Those on here critical of this tend to be the ones filling CPL classes everyday after they are "enlightened" by the experience of being victimized because some criminally minded person. I for one would love to have the choice to send my daughter to a school with well-trained, well-armed teachers. That way any nutjob hoping to exploit her school would think twice knowing that resistance is guaranteed.
"Yet more than 1,400 school staff members applied for the 24 spots first offered in late December" – this was a disturbing statement on society, until I read the sentence that followed – "Buckeye paid about $1,000 per teacher, which includes tuition, room and board, and ammunition. The group will cover tuition and board for the six courses offered this summer." So, a PAC (affiliated with the Ohio Minutemen Militia) paid teachers to be trained and armed in schools in order to advance their gun-rights legislation in Ohio. Linda Walker of Buckeye also sits on the Board of the NRA. It's only a question of time until one of these teachers accidentally shoots a kid, or is shot by their own gun on campus, or decides on an early retirement program and swallows their gun. "Live by the Sword..." as they say.
Well, really, bringing guns onto campus will relieve any disturbed teens of having to plan how to get their guns onto campus, and instead allow them to devise plans on how to access the guns which are already on campus.
If the teachers are doing concealed carry for example, it's likely that the students will eventually know which teachers are carrying (gossip like that gets around). Two teenaged boys can, with smart planning and a bit of surprise, take down one adult. Then they have the gun and just a little bit of time to do the worse with it before anyone else processes what is going on.
Yikes! Getting pretty scary arming teachers. Carrying a firearm for defense of yourself and others requires a specific mindset and skill not very many people possess, which is why I own a few, but don't carry them for defense.
I would be more in favor of community service officers on campus, or maybe enough teachers trained to ensure there's always a couple on campus with requisite training, and have the firearms stored in a ready service locker somewhere (leaving it in teachers purse or desk drawer is just asking for trouble).
Of course, what am I talking about, we'll have to wait for a few teacher-perp shootouts to see how many kids get caught in the crossfire before we can decide if this is smart.
I don't get it. Gun enthusiasts say that we don't need to make changes to magazine capacity restrictions or background checks, etc, since so few of gun deaths are from mass murders, that the gun control proposals are like taking a sledgehammer approach that infringes on the rights of law abiding gun owners. But yet, arming school teachers isn't a sledgehammer approach????
Which will happen first? A teachers kills a student, or a student kills a teacher with the teachers gun?
If school districts want to pay for an armed guard, fine.. Unreasonable to expect teachers to do both.
This is good. Everyone over 18, should be armed 24/7. We have a frontier heritage in this country. People should be able to settle their differences in the street, like they did in the old west. No need for weenie judges and LIEberal juries.
At first I thought you were just being sarcastic. Then I realized you really believe that ! OMG let's emulate Pakistan. Every citizen needs to carry a firearm for his/her own protection. G-Bye civilization !
When will it ever end?
If a teacher wants to carry a gun around kids, they better be ready to train at least every 2 weeks in the first year and then every month afterwords. Anyone who carries should have shot 1,000 rounds through their gun before they should feel comfortable in a situation. If you don't have the correct muscle memory to react correctly in a situation, then you are just a part of the problem and may be contributing to a loss of life.
It isn't an issue of guns in school. It's an issue of trained people in schools who know how to react in a security situation, and you don't necessarily have to own a gun to be correctly trained.
Exactly! Extensive proper training is key.
This is the worst idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas.
My children will NOT go to a school where teachers are armed. Period.
Agree with you. How safe is a school with teachers carrying guns? How can anyone argue with a teacher carrying a gun. And how safe is your child with Ms. Rambo;who just can't wait to shoot an intruder.
It's having access to all those guns that made that made Newton tragedy so horrific.
beware! I am paleface with a gun, and i think i look cool....stupid.
Guns in the classroom, now there's a good idea [sarc]. I'm sure thats only the starting point for the NRA and their Tea Nut wack job supporters. What they really want is everyone to be packing heat. Just like in Texas with leader jack job Rick Perry, they dont need no stinking laws, their justice is from the barrel of a gun.
If guns are allowed in classrooms, it won't be long before a student gets a hold of it and a tragedy occurs. One adult and 30 kids in a countless number of classrooms across the United States? Think!!
...then the knee-jerk conservatives will decide that children need to arm themselves against teachers. And thousands of NRA goons will nod their (empty) heads in agreement. Just because a person grows old, doesn't mean they "grow up." Please see the GOP for examples.
I like guns but somewhere along the lines we've gone too far.. What if the teacher has a bad day"looses it" and decides to kill a few students? then what? students need more guns?
What if a cop has a bad day and "loses it" and kills those he/she protects? Should we disarm our law enforcement? Like it was said in the article, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
People are shot by the police with frightening regularity.
Sometimes justified other times not.
Your comparison does not really inspire confidence that this experiment won't turn out badly.
What's stopping a teacher from "loosing it" and just returning with a weapon? Signs and postings just aren't enough to keep our children safe these days...
I think the more important issue is a child getting hold of the gun somehow. As for the law enforcement analogy... police's job is to protect and serve, which often means utilizing a firearm and thus having the proper training for it. A teacher's job is to teach.
Yes it is a teacher's job to teach correct, but we shouldn't restrict a teacher who wants be able to protect themselves and their students with proper training. You can't tell me that shooter in newton would'nt have thought twice about it if he knew that some teachers were carrying concealed weapons.
I strongly disagree...in my opinion a teacher's job is much more than teaching... your children are with them for several hours a day, 5 days a week or maybe even more... they're truly helping raise your children.... they are the closest thing to a loving parent your child has during school hours. In a crisis like Sandy Hook or even the more recent OKC tornado... if I can't be there to comfort my child, protect them and lead them to safety I would certainly hope their teacher will.
What absurdity–a solution that could only be wrought from the myopic, short-sighted machinations of the Conservative mind...
how many of these states require background checks on their teachers? we all know there are teachers who slip through the cracks that have no business dealing with children....and we are going to turn them loose with a gun in the classroom? seems to me all the steps being taken are all for the profit for gun manufacturers. they are out for profit and obviously have no conscience.
Then ito not the gun laws that need changing. Its hiring qualifications for the teachers
You will take your test or else!
More guns are the answer? I find this to be a horrible solution. Let's go ahead and have every single child in America live in fear of possibly being shot everyday they go to school. Lonely, angry, disillusioned youth are not the only ones who decide to kill people. Imagine how many teachers having bad days will remind children of the gun they are now permitted to carry in the classroom. It would make more sense to have 1 or more armed guards at each school paid for by the community. To many variables come with multiple teachers having guns in the class room. Not to mention, you are giving all of those children who don't have access to guns, access. Ignorance breeds ignorance.
You must not have a child you would want to protect. Stupidity breeds stupidity also. And your ignorance will definitely breed more ignorance
Go ahead and live in fear, I will go with the odds. More guns raises the odds of more gun related death...simple math. Tragedies such as Columbine and Newton happen at a very small percentage. Have fun living with all that fear and anxiety...there are meds for that ; )
Informative, professional statement without bias. thank you
...you forgot "totally preposterous"
What is wrong with you? Do you have to combat everything that anyone (who is conservative) says? You've been speaking your mind a little too much and no one wants to hear. Maybe you should learn to keep your immature mouth shut.
Yep guns in classroom good thought until some student takes it from the teacher and kills the teacher along with their classmates.
Go back to sleep, liberal.
Go back to Pakistan you Medusa Paki
You think it won't happen???!
Yeah since that happens so often with armed campus police...
I would rather die from an educated murderer than from a nerd like you ...haha just sayin
It wouldn't be the first time a teacher was overpowered by a student.
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