By Lauren Russell, CNN
(CNN) - While most of the nation's students are enjoying summer break, teachers in a handful of states are studying – not their fall curriculum, but how to take out an assailant.
In Ohio, Buckeye Firearms Association, a gun rights PAC, has launched a program to educate teachers on how to take down a gunman.
"We were mocked when we first said we wanted to teach this class," Jim Irvine, president of Buckeye, said. "People doubted if we could fill the class."
States tighten, loosen gun laws after Newtown
Yet more than 1,400 school staff members applied for the 24 spots first offered in late December, he said.
Interest in arming teachers has grown among some school staff, gun rights groups and lawmakers in the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in which 20 students – ages 6 and 7 – and six adults were killed in Newtown, Connecticut, on December 14.
Photos: Teachers pose with their guns
Gun rights groups have sponsored classes for teachers in a number of states from Texas to Ohio.
In the six months since the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, legislators in at least 30 states have proposed laws allowing teachers and other school staff to carry firearms on primary and secondary school campuses, according to Lauren Heintz, a research analyst at the National Conference of State Legislatures. In most states the bills have failed, but laws have been enacted in South Dakota, Alabama, Arizona, and Kansas. Texas, which already allows staff to carry firearms with school approval, passed two new laws creating a "school marshal" program and addressing training teachers.
Some bills proposed in the past six months require only that the school employee have a concealed-firearm permit, but many of the bills include training provisions. For example, South Dakota's new law requires law enforcement-approved training for every appointed school sentinel.
The week after Sandy Hook, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told the media that all schools in the United States should have armed security, and an NRA-backed task force proposed training and arming adults at schools.
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"Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared?" LaPierre asked. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.
Before Sandy Hook, no state's law explicitly permitted firearms on school campuses, though some states had exemptions, according to the NCSL.
For 12 years, Utah's concealed weapon law has permitted a person to have, on his or her person or in a secure lockbox, a weapon inside a school. As concealed firearm permit holders, they are not required to tell parents or school officials.
But in Texas and Ohio, for instance, a person must get permission from the school district to bring a concealed weapon on school grounds.
The Harrold Independent School District board in rural Texas approved a plan to arm certain staff members in 2007. Under the so-called Guardian Plan, identities of armed staff members aren't divulged. This way, a shooter can't target them, the superintendent wrote in a column for CNN's "Schools of Thought" blog after Newtown.
"At the end of the school day, we at Harrold want to know we've done everything possible to protect our children from people who are intent on harming them," David Thweatt wrote.
The Union Grove Independent School District and Van Independent School District, both in East Texas, in January became the second and third districts in the state to authorize teachers with concealed handgun licenses to carry firearms on campus.
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Ohio allows school boards to vote on whether teachers and administrators can carry concealed weapons into schools, a stipulation that was largely overlooked until Sandy Hook. The exception has existed since at least 2008 when the law was last amended.
Dick Caster, head of the Ohio School Board Association, said school safety plans are private documents, so there isn't a list of all the school districts that have armed employees. Though not required to disclose it, a few Ohio school districts have made headlines by voting to allow teachers to carry guns. Sidney City Schools announced in March it would be arming staff, and the school board in Montpelier approved arming its custodial staff in January.
But Bill Bond, a former principal who once confronted a shooter, isn't so sure arming teachers is the answer. In 1997, a student shot eight of his peers at Kentucky's Heath High School, where Bond was principal at the time. Three of those students were killed in the shooting. Looking back, Bond said he wouldn't have wanted a gun. "It could have made the situation worse," he said. "The potential for wrongful accidental killing is greater than the potential for saving," he said about arming school personnel.
He supports having trained school resource officers on campus, but educators have enough on their plates without the responsibility of a deadly weapon, he said.
"Anytime you have divided or added responsibilities, it distracts from primary responsibilities," he said. "From an educational standpoint, I'm against it."
Bond worked 29 years in schools and has been the school safety expert with the National Association of Secondary School Principals for 12 years. He's heard talk of arming school personnel before, but it wasn't seriously considered until after Sandy Hook, he said.
"I do realize that the only thing that would have been able to stop (the shooter) was gunfire," he said, "but that particular situation is an anomaly."
He also points out that an armed educator would have had only one gun with a few rounds, while the shooter had multiple firearms and 30-round magazines.
"Teachers will hesitate and that will cause teachers to be killed, and if they don't hesitate they'll make the wrong decision," Bond said. "It's wracked with danger."
Ken Trump, a school safety consultant who runs his own firm, agrees that it's a high-risk, high-liability proposal. He thinks only a law enforcement officer should carry weapons on campus.
"There's a huge difference between saying, 'I can protect my family and my home,' versus 'I'm prepared to protect the masses,'" he said.
There's also the question of whether teachers want to carry guns. Nearly three-fourths of teachers said they would not bring a firearm to school even if allowed, a February School Improvement Network survey showed. However, the survey showed most educators believed armed guards would improve safety.
John Benner, president and chief instructor at the Ohio-based Tactical Defense Institute, has trained school resource officers for years. He taught his first class to teachers this spring.
The three-day class, sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Association, examined mass shootings and taught school personnel how to predict a killer's behavior and shoot on the run amid obstacles like narrow hallways and stairwells. Police officers and SWAT commanders help teach the course. Participants had to have a concealed weapons permit before registering.
Buckeye paid about $1,000 per teacher, which includes tuition, room and board, and ammunition. The group will cover tuition and board for the six courses offered this summer.
Benner would like to see all school employees – teachers, resource officers, administrators – learn to use firearms.
"I hate the idea of arming teachers, but we have to," Benner said. Signs and locks won't deter an attacker and police can't respond quickly enough, he said. "It's the only thing that's going to work."
Asked if training law enforcement officers to patrol schools was a better idea than arming teachers, Caster, who was the executive director for the National Association of School Resource Officers before joining the Ohio School Board Association, said it's not possible.
School resource officers are typically funded by either the school or the local law enforcement agency.
"This is what it boils down to: Can you afford to have an officer in every school?" Caster said. "It's not in the budget."
In any event, he said, emotions should not drive the discussion.
"This isn't about guns, it's about a possible tactic," Caster said. "My plea is that we have a rational, logical discussion (about arming teachers) as an additional possible tool."
Hopefully, some kid will find their teacher's gun, steal it and dispose of it.
and go straight to jail
Missed your meds today did you??
"Billy, did you do your homework?" No? BLAM!
How long before the headlines start filling up with teachers gone over the edge and wiping out classrooms full of students, or freaking out and shooting some kid.
NOT A GOOD IDEA FOLKS.
HOW ABOUT THIS, LET'S ARM ALL THE KIDS. SECONDARY BENEFIT IT GETS THEM READY FOR THE NEXT COUNTRY WE DECIDE TO INVADE.
DUMB, DUMB, DUMB
I think people like you who want to prevent people from having the means to defend themselves are more dangerous than the psychopaths doing all the killing.
The question is whether it will be a teacher who first starts firing unprovoked at a bunch of innocent students, or will it be a student who manages to take the teacher's gun?
Exactly. This ranks as one of the dumbest ideas in the history of this country. The statistics for a child getting shot in school is one in millions. The statistic for an accidental shooting or shooting of opportunity is one in thousands. Probably more like one in hundreds are the weapons find their way into more and more classrooms.
Why not consider tasers? or stun guns or something non lethal? The whole discussion is insane. Our country is insane.
I hate half measures! ALL teachers should be required to have assault rifles AS WELL as full body armor available. Children should be transported in armored vehicles, and recess should be discontinued. Bars should be put on the windows to ensure gunmen do not enter via the windows. These are all very simple answers to a refusal deal with a problem at its source. Welcome to the wild west.
Assault Rifle = A made up term by anti gun members for a gun that looks like its in a movie, but functions 100% identically to a semi auto pistol. And lady the gentleman at VA tech did more damage than the sandy hook shooter all with TWO pistols. This thinking is why you wont win on restricting gun rights. Ban them all because taking out an evil looking rifle that functions just like any other semi-auto hand gun just is not going to cut it!!!!
I think you missed my point....
Assault rifle is a made up term????
Of course it is stupid - all terms are made up.
This one happened to be "made up" by the military to describe the weapons that they are having built.
Did your mother have any children that lived?
Knee jerk...an isolated event shouldn't warrant this type of response. Must be $$$ to be made by someone and they are lobbying hard. Newtown tragedy openned the door and the NRA is trying to jam it open! It took thousands of automobile deaths to implement the seat belt and air bag...not one. Are movie theater attendants going to have guns too? What precedence does this set. People feel horrible about the newtown events...and the powers that be are riding that emotion for this cause. Sad.
People should be able to carry in movie theaters. An off duty female cop shot some crazy person with a gun in a theater in San Antonio less than a year ago.
It's amazing that people expect teachers to raise their kids, but not defend them. They trust them to take care of them everyday, all-day, but now they're afraid these same people are going to accidentally shoot their kids.... either you believe in teachers or you don't.
Parents accidentally shoot themselves or family members all the time. Should they expect any less from teachers?
Id rather my child have a fighting chance than not, you send your children to school everyday expecting them to be protected and safe a cop that takes ten minutes to get there is not good enough for me sorry. A trained teacher with a gun is a peace of mind for a fighting chance in my eyes.
I trust my teachers to teach my children to teach my children, and yes, not to shoot them. I don't think it is reasonable to expect them to protect them with armed confrontation in such a situation. We have seen mass shootings at military bases, where trained, armed personnel are present and there are still too many casualties. The answer isn't to arm teachers and lock ourselves up, it is to fix the law. But the NRA and commercial interests have bought Congress and brainwashed a MINORITY segment of the USA (only need to buy a majority of Congress, not the people, as we see in the background check debate) to allow for reasonable laws that would be much more effective.
You do know that military bases are totally unarmed right?? and that the local PD's that are in the town of those bases are the ones who police it right?? They are subjected to the same PD waiting periods as citizens are. know what you are talking about before you spill nonsense from your heart!
Ian, the point is there have been plenty of killings where there are trained, armed people present, which are not able to respond fast enough to a armed gunman. The key is not more guns, but better legislation, but don't bother reading this sentence, you have already counted that out.
This is only going to work if the teacher is armed with an assault weapon and bullet proof vest because a six shooter would prove ineffective against an assailant who is coming at you well equipped as usual. The only solution is to ban assault weapons one by one. When our society says its ok to have assault weapons, mentally ill would feel its ok to go use them. But if society was to start conveying the message that assault weapons are bad, perhaps would-be assailants would become less inclined to go on shooting rampage.
I have a better idea...how bout we arm security guards to protect schools and leave teachers to teach? It is difficult for teachers to concentrate on teaching and guarding a school at the same time.
Well interestingly enough, society does condemn the KILLING of INNOCENT children, but somehow that's just not enough to tell would-be assigns not to do that. So I doubt society sending a message that guns are bad will do anything either...
Paid for with a gun tax?
Owning a gun doesn't make me feel like it's okay to use it on other people... you are trying to interpret motives of madmen. By that logic, owning a pistol should automatically make me feel okay to shoot people, too.
My point is, it is the gun lobby that wants loose gun laws, which has created a nation of guns and shooting (compare to other developed countries...we are the one with the gun problem), so, lax gun laws, right or wrong, are the predominant factor in the killings across the country. So, you want your guns? People need to now be protected (not needed so much in Canada, Australia, Europe etc), so who should pay? I say those that support the loose laws (ie. those using the guns).
Just like how crack is illegal, and we don't have a problem with that...
How about the baby sitter in the news recently. She brought a gun to the job, fell asleep, and one of her charges shot the other. Then there's this scenario: Teacher Debbie has a crush on math teacher Jim. But Jim likes Denise in Social Studies. Debbie sees them at lunch and broods. Then she looks at the gun in her drawer....
you could also have the situation where; teacher Debbie has her gun, and has it concealed in her desk drawer (because it rides up on her hip in her form fitting skirt), but gets called away as Johnny and Billy fight, or Jennifer gets sick in class, leaving the firearm available to snooping kids, run amok as the teacher leaves the room to get assistance...mayhem ensues
I was raised around guns. I respect them, but I'm not afraid of them. I realize that not everyone in this country has had the same upbringing, especially in big city areas. Still, EVERYONE should take a gun safety course and learn the basics of how to shoot. Preferably, everyone would also own a gun and would know how to responsibly store and use it. Why, you ask? Because crime happens. It's a fact of life. And anyone who is NOT so armed is a potential victim. Our nation's children go to school each day, play and learn with other children, surrounded by unarmed teachers... can you imagine a bigger pool of potential victims? It's a wonder we hadn't seen any Sandy Hook-type tragedies sooner! By properly training and arming teachers, we can prevent further incursions. It would be foolish not to do so.
Okay, let me just lay it out for you people. The point isn't to defend against assailants. The point is to remove schools as potential targets from the MINDS of potential assailants. As it is, schools are seen as vulnerable. With armed teachers, people will see them as more secure, and as a less desirable target.
That's one possible outcome. Another is that statistics for households with guns will hold true in schools and we'll see a rise in the number of firearm injuries in our schools.
I don't agree, James. The statistics you see in homes is because people don't properly store their weapons. Schools would be under much stricter regulations and will be monitored for compliance much more closely than individual homes. Obviously there will be rules and protocol to work out – I'm not advocating just giving teachers guns and walking away – but I still think arming schools is not a bad idea.
Thank you! Great post. That's what I've been trying to tell my friends for a while now. Properly train, thoroughly vet, and legally license teachers and assailants will definitely think twice about messing with schools. You don't see these cowards walking into a police dept and shooting, do you? No. They go to where they know they will be successful and less likely to get shot themselves. Places with unarmed and unaware people. It's sad that we even have to have this discussion, but if we're going to talk about it let's talk about it with some sense of reality.
Actually, there was a shooting in a police station in New Jersey. Perpetrator walked in, shot several cops and surrendered. So that pretty much busts up your theory.
You might want to actually know the facts of that story before you get all snarky. A person did not walk into a police station and start shooting. A man that was arrested overpowered a female officer when she removed his handcuffs, got a hold of her gun and shot two officers that were coming to her aid. Hardly the same situation as a crazy man shooting up a room full of unarmed, helpless movie-goers.
I think you're giving far too much credit to sociopaths. Where can I find a large group of people to execute in as tightly compact a place as possible? (marathon, movie theatre, school, place of work). That's it. I doubt a guy dressing up like the Joker is doing a critical analysis of how much resistance he's likely to meet once he starts blowing people away.
Especially if he intends to die in the shooting anyway.
I don't need to give them any credit at all. The choice has been made for them through subliminal reinforcement of schools as vulnerable targets.
This feels like a terrible idea. There are plenty of videos showing teachers getting in altercations with students. Adding a gun to the mix has the potential to make it much worse
Great job 'merica...w...t...f
I wonder how long it will take before some kid gets hold of a gun a teacher left out
Shouldn't the children have guns as well? What if an attack takes place in a hallway and an armed teacher is not available to neutralize the attacker in time? All children should have the right to defend themselves.
Of course! That is a great idea. Just send them off to a 3 day training session, arm them, and they'll be all set.
Seems to be the new American way of thinking. Fixing bad decisions with even worst decisions.
Why, People carry guns everyday in TX, VA, WV, PA. Dr.s , teachers, lawyers, garbagemen, and even ice cream men. And their crime stats with guns are Shattered by the anti gun locations like MD, NY, DC, CA,and NJ. Men lie, women lie numbers don't!!!!
Why stop there? That's too wimpy. Let's arm every kid as well, starting with little derringers for pre-school, then working up to Uzi's in high school. We teach 'em the American way-solve your problems by shooting first and asking questions later. We arm teachers with RPG's, grenades and put a few Abrams tanks outside for recess practice. A couple of drones with Hellfire missiles can be controlled by the principal with a tactical nuke-just in case!
Congratz teachers, now with a gun you are basically armed guards, which would make sense for public schools. That being the case you may get paid better, not much because armed guards don’t make more than you now. With all a teacher has to deal with, unions, self involved parents, administration, overindulged kids, blood sucking lawyers and youtube; a gun should make their job a lot easier. Maybe if the kids knew the teachers had a gun they would give the teacher respect, after all they are being taught that this is how it works. Gangster.
Or we can fire the teachers, and hire armed guards to teach our children. I would feel safer then.
There goes their education.. bummer.
Oh yes, this is gonna work real good until some teacher goes off the deep end and starts shooting. That'll be another media circus, more finger-pointing and agonizing and baloney... What makes anybody think that teachers are any more sane than anybody else? What we need is NUTCASE CONTROL, not gun control.
I would not want my child in a weaponized classroom.
sounds like heaven to me...
As long as the teachers don't do something incredibly stupid like leave the weapon with a round chambered and the safety off, or get up walk out of the room with the gun on/in their desk or something like that, it should be fine.
I'm not in favor of "arming" teachers, but I do think that teachers who are already responsible gun owners should be allowed to carry if they so choose. We had an armed guard on campus when I was in highschool (it was for gang violence, not crazy people violence, but still) and nothing catastrophic ever happened from it.
No one made a big deal of it. Guns have been on campuses for years.
NEXT ... student will allowed to bring gun to take down the gun man.. I can see teachers wearing on their belt.. I can see if some crazy student fighting in the class room, teacher will pull gun out ..
If there are armed guards in the malls, why can't we have guards in schools? We should have a few of these in each school (depending on the number of students). They don't have to walk around looking like armed guards. They can wear khakis and polo's and be an extra set of eyes and ears for the schools.
I am also not against teachers being armed in general, but there should be some serious restrictions.
A specific number of fire arms training hours logged.
More frequent drug and background tests.
–These tests are preformed when they are hired, but how often are they retested?
Random checks to make sure firearms are always secured in an appropriate holster.
Agreed. The teachers need to teach.. its a challenge in itself. The do NOT need to be policing the school as well.
I was in a class where the teacher wigged out and told a kid to leave and when she didn't, the teacher pulled her by the hair out of the classroom. Without a doubt if that teacher was packing, that girl would have been in serious trouble.
This is a bad idea. It would be better to have well trained armed guards than armed teachers.
Growing up I had a few teachers I would have been scared spitless of had they been armed. I'm not sure I would have set foot in their classrooms.
Land mines! We need land mines available for purchase!
How dare you to infringe my 2nd amendment rights?
Wow. What a GREAT idea. Because we all know teachers never go crazy . . .
I remember a few who were definitely near the edge..........
Makes perfect sense. Most schools have multiple entrances so in reality they cannot all be guarded. Teachers know their way around their school and I can see no reason to tell anyone who has been trained....keep this a secret so any bad guy would not know what classroom or school has this activity. For you YO YO's out there. try to remember that may of these teachers have served in Iraq and Afghan so they know how to handle weapons
Good! I'm glad to see an actual COMMON SENSE approach to solving these problems instead of just trying to ban guns.. because it doesn't work! Criminals don't follow laws. These crimes are occurring in GUN FREE ZONES. I don't know why anyone would be against protecting our children from psychotic criminals.
And how many friendly fire casualties have occurred in Iraq and Afghanistan? The problem is, when you start arming tons of teachers, those weapons are going to start coming out in chaotic situations other than school shootings – and that's where the potential for harm is.
And there are how many ARMED police and security guards ?
The potential for harm is already there, zee. Our schools are sitting ducks. We have had more than our share of school shootings in the past few years and it's time to start discussing options. I don't think anyone is advocating that you just hand a teacher a gun and walk away. Guns will not just be lying around the classroom, or in an unlocked drawer for a teacher to use anytime they're mad. That's crazy talk. There are systems that can be put in place that safeguard against accidental usage by unauthorized people. Teachers will be trained and licensed and will have to go through regular mental health evaluations. Because public schools are under the jurisdiction of the state/city/county they will be able to regularly and routinely monitor to make sure the schools and teachers are compliant with the rules. There have been armed guards in many city schools for years now. No reports of a guard going crazy and killing the kids. This can be effective but it must be done properly, and more importantly, it must be monitored carefully.
To think, they don't have guns in a classrooms in North Korea!
Maybe if one of these loud/foul mouthed disruptive students gets shot, discipline will return to the school system.
Nope, not as long as dr phils refuse to allow discipline in classrooms
Yes students deserve to be shot. What an idiotic statement. To bad your own teachers didn't practice such tactics because you certainly seem to be just the type that deserve discipline yourself.
Gives new meaning to the term "crack the whip"
next years news will be "an elemtary student shoot him self and other clasmates to death after playing with teachers Gun!.."
Sorry... That is fairly unlikely to occure.
Rules will requier that the weapon be holstered on the teacher or in a lock box that students cannot access.
And I don't doubt that those safty guidelines will be followed.
The more likely headline will be....
Student/Teacher shot after one of them get hold of the gun during an altercation.
or Teacher kills her/himself on campus.
a teacher is not a guard...is people driving crazy or what?
II'll take advice on how to defend myself and children from someone who can write a complete sentence.
If a Newtown teacher had been armed we could have saved lives.
Then so is the idea they couldn't have saved them if they were armed.
It would be speculation that it would have saved lives, since we can't split test it. To say a school teacher would have beaten him to the draw, is pure speculation. Is this how we make policy now? In any case, the thought that we can pinpoint single threats and protecting those spots make us safer is ludicrous. How about on the bus? How about at recess, or walking down the street in Santa Monica. We need real solutions and the fact we are discussing this one shows the power of the NRA to distract away from the real problem which is lax laws, a bought Congress, and a gun culture out of control.
The terrorists are winning. They wanted to make us fear and change our society. We're playing right into their hands.
Meanwhile the gun lobby arms us and them. What a wonderful world.
2nd amendment was here long before any of that. Reda how the west was won. We go away from our roots and got soft.
Yes! Long live the wild west! Yee haw! Now, where did I put that gun? It's almost high noon!
Roots ??? ROOTS???
What you want is so 1850's... please join us in the 21st Century, where a serious look at modifying the 2AM (by mature adults who can think logically and critically) is long overdue.
This will end poorly – and the causality will be innocent children.
Taking a class on how to shoot and shooting at targets is FAR different than firing a gun at someone who is firing at you. Do we argue that each teacher needs to be in a certain number of firefights before they are allowed to pack their concealed weapons?
This is so ridiculous. You would need to properly store the gun to make sure there are no incidents with the children. Then, by the time the teacher would access that gun, the rampage would be over. Yes, this is such a wonderful idea....bring in MORE GUNS because we can't control the guns we ALREADY have. What is so difficult about approving background checks and getting rid of weapons that cause mass tragedies. The reason there is so much violence is because there is access to it. This just makes me sick. STOP AVOIDING THE PROBLEMS – NRA there needs to be limitations. Stop making excuses – money drives the violence.
Ok here is the scenario. A man with a semi automatic rifle is walking towards you, and you see him shoot another person. There is no place to hide. You have a choice to stand there, allow him to shoot you and die, or you can have a hand gun in your hand and shoot him first. This is the choice some teachers are now making. So you are saying the teachers should die. That is very selfish I would say.
Reality is that chance of that happening is slim. It would be even slimmer if we had better gun control.
You don't fight fire with fire. You put water on it. Making MORE GUNS easily available is not the solution. A national registry should be started. Why does the NRA have such an issue with it? Tyranny? I laugh in your face!
IF the Feds ever decide to come get your guns, they folks charged with the collection (98% BEING Gun Owners) would have it all over social media in seconds. Those weapons would.. POOF! be gone when they arrived. How hard is that to believe ???
MOIRE GUNS in SCHOOLS is NOT the solution.
But the facts are that statistically that is extremely rare – one in millions. What is not rare are accidental shootings, and shootings of rage and opportunity. The U.S. national average was 10.2 deaths per 100,000 population in 2009 and the number of non-fatal injuries is considerable - over 200,000 per year. Weapons in classrooms with explosive teenagers? Weapons in classrooms with an unstable teacher? Weapons in elementary schools with distracted teachers and curious students? The numbers will soar with arms in our schools.
No. No. No. Not in my world.
Umm have you ever heard of concealed carry?? In other words, on the body, hidden. Teachers wont lock them up in a drawer, that is stupid and dangerous. Keep it on the body, very hidden. You could even pat me down and you wont find my pistol...
Yap, less books, more guns and our jobs are heading overseas.
Nice this is where reality hits stops the fanatical liberal anti-gun movement in the it's tracks. Keep in mind the anti-gun crowd of today is the witch hunt crowd of 300-400 years ago. It looks to me like the stock rally on gun makers is has gotten serious legs....
Funny, I've said the same thing. These liberal anti-gun folks are out for a witch hunt. They want legislation passed based on their personal feelings and not based on sound facts. Like for example, they won't accept that criminals don't follow laws and that banning guns takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens and into the hands of criminals, just like it did in Chicago. They won't recognize that all these mass shootings occur in places where guns are already banned. It's silly. Common sense is really lacking these days.
When was the last time you successfully put out a fire using fire ? Think about it... if possible.
The REAL Truth... "When was the last time you successfully put out a fire using fire ? Think about it... if possible."
– Really? That's all you can come up with? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in regards to the gun debate. ..You really don't think you can stop a gun man by shooting him dead in his tracks? Wow.. you've got some serious mental problems going on there, buddy. I'd like to see them start refusing gun sales to liberals because you're all seriously lacking in the brain department. Just because you've got access to Wikipedia at your fingertips doesn't make you intelligent. It takes common sense.. which apparently you don't have.
Anything in the works for restaurant managers to pack heat? Bank tellers?? Store clerks??
they already do?
Yup, ...I think they should distribute guns at Citizenship ceremonies...Welcome to America...here's your gun. Good luck out there.
Good. Teachers will be able to kill any psycho that enters the school before that can kill 20 children.
I need RPG with high capacity magazine. How dare you to infringe my 2nd amendment rights?
A low capacity brain would be an upgrade for you. A high capacity brain... well those aren't available in your selected political ideology.
Do you even know the true purpose of the 2nd Amendment? It's not about hunting. It's not about defending yourself or your family. It's to discourage foreign invasions and keep the government afraid of it's people, rather than the people fearing the government.
If one cannot stomach or handle the job of protecting the children they have to care for then maybe they should change jobs or have it taken from them and given to someone who will do the job.. I am certain some will take that good paying job.
Remember if anything like this happens, call men with guns to come save you and Pray(or whatever you do)that they get there in time to save you. sorry not me
Teachers are not there to protect and care for children, they are there to teach them. their ability to teach outweighs their skill with a firearm.
Why would you be against having our children protected from psychos!? I don't understand this liberal thought process! You don't want anyone to be able to defend themselves! WHY!? You think the police are going to be there to stop a crime in progress? That's not how it works! The cops aren't called until AFTER a crime has already occurred. How many innocent people need to die before you wake up to the facts!?!
Gee, I thought teachers were hired to teach children how to learn and be prepared for their future. Grew up with both of my parents being teachers. Arming every teacher has never been part of the job description. I agree that staff need to be trained what to do in any possible situation, but we can never predict exactly what will happen in an emergency. How would you as a parent feel, or a teacher feel if an innocent student were caught in the crossfire between an intruder and a staff member? How can we put a price on one life over another? Something to think about....
I think I would prefer that my student be injured in a crossfire between the teacher trying to protect them and the intruder trying to kill them over being innocently harmed with no one equipped to do anything about it.
When people decide to become teachers, its because they love kids and want to teach them necessary life lessons. They dont become teachers so they can carry guns and be their bodyguards.
Do they get MP5s or AR15s maybe something a little bigger.....wouldn't want to be out gunned.
Realistically, you don't need an AR15 for defense. If it's a lone gun man, a 9mm with hollow point rounds would tear 'em to bits. The gun of choice for psychos is the AR15 because you can hit so many targets in a short period of time. It's also the gun of choice for small game hunters. You obviously don't know anything about guns.. which is why libtards like you should just shut up about it and leave it to people who know what they are talking about, while you're at it visit a psychiatrist so you can figure out why you're so afraid of inanimate objects. I'm sure they'd be happy to put you on some mind numbing prescriptions. Besides, you're thousands of times more likely to die in a fiery automobile accident than be shot with an AR15.. but I'll bet you aren't terrified of your car or anyone else's. Even the ones with a lot of cylinders and high capacity gas tanks. Moron..
i will be pulling my kids out of any school who even thinks about putting a weapon near my child. Mass murderers are one in a million but accidents happen every freakin day.
I would prefer such a school.
And in the process you will be teaching your children cowardice.
It's people like you that I'm keeping my kids away from!
Agreed! I'll pull my kids out of a school that allows armed teachers!
Good, less spoiled cry babies clogging up our school system. With less children like yours in the school system, I might consider sending my daughter to public schooling and quit homeschooling her. You all want to be protected by the big nanny government, but you don't want anyone armed. How STUPID! I hope you never need the police for any reason because they carry guns too and apparently you and your family are terrified of inanimate objects. I hear Obama is all for population control and with people like you around I guess that's one thing I can support him on. Less idiots.
Go ahead, nobody cares. More time for my kids to have time with the teacher that is there to teach and take care of them. Just don't come cry to me about how your kids can't get a job and need welfare because they couldn't go to any scholz cuz they had them there gunz there.
dumbest idea ever. So put guns in the hands of teachers and give dumb kids that dont know any better yet ANOTHER unsafe place to pick up and shoot off a gun by accident. Remember kids outnumber teachers and teachers wont always have their attention on the gun. If this is to protect little kids its even worse. at least with older teens they can be told not to go near the gun and might be intelligent enough to listen. Little kids wont know any better. imagine a room full of ADHD kids between 8 -12 years old and not listenting to the teacher. this is another set of disasters waiting to happen. republican and democratic officials should be lined up and shot for allowing this to happen instead of making this country safer by limiting guns and bullets.
No..the dumbest idea ever was voting for Obama just because hes a black man. And a black man that couldnt find his way out of a wet paper bag.
LOL! yeah they should have voted for the clueless Millionaire instead!!! The GOP can't win another election for the foreseeable future...Until they get rid of the kooks running the Party..
Wow, it did not take long before racism reared it's ugly head. Perhaps Obama was voted in not because he was the black man, but because he was the right man?
Well said. I totally agree with you.
That is, I totally agree with angryblackman. BC can go climb a rope.
I wish we had done this long time ago. Think of the lives that would have been saved. I would much rather send my kid to a school where well trained teachers have guns that to some school that "prays" that a gunman will never enter its campus. I do wish the world was peaceful and perfectly safe, and free of all guns...but at the moment, there are still people out there that want to kill my family for nothing that I ever did to them. So until that matter is solved, I would prefer to be as prepared as I can to defend my family.
The police can't be everywhere, the Second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms.
What else is the answer?
And why are people afraid of armed school teachers?
Or armed guards at school?
America, be brave.
People shoulld be scared. The US has lost its respect for guns. Instead they are seen more like toys these days instead of the deadly weapons they are, and people collect them like they are fricking pokemon. 5 year olds get guns as presents for crying out loud.
When you get to the point where a seriously suggested answer to the gun issue is to arm school teachers, then you may as well admit society has failed.
The 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee all people to bear arms....that is why we should have proper background checks. When you've tried that, then come back to see me about arming my child's teacher.
Pretty sure your child's teacher needed to pass a background check to become a teacher. That's the problem with you liberals. You have no common sense and ignore facts.
Come on America....let's take a step back and look at this. Adding guns to the classroom, thereby adding guns to school, is a terrible idea. Teachers should educate the youth. With all the problems and distractions our students have to contend with, the act of educating is hard enough without being armed. There are a myriad of things that could happen with guns in classrooms, and if you cannot think of two or three, then you are out of touch with reality (for the racists and those who will want to label me; not white reality, not black, red, brown, yellow, green reality, not ghetto, hood, suburban, wealthy, or any specific sect. But collective reality of the people of this nation.) If you do not understand that putting a gun in the hands of someone very involved in your child's daily life is more dangerous than not having a gun there, then I suggest you re-examine your logic. In my opinion, part of the answer is to place a police officer/resource officer in every school to accomplish two things. 1. Build rapport with students. to instill good behaviors (non-criminal) 2. Be a presence that deters violence and increases safety. Beyond that, I think each school district should determine what works for their schools.
I took a step back and um well...sorry but you lose! Most of us Americans with a brain understand this is a good thing. Now put on your big girl panties and take it!!!!
Actually – the polls show that most Americans disagree with this, but whatever...
"Most of us Americans" ? LOL
@wow1234 What polls? You mean the CNN & msnbc polls...?lol The same place you get your talking points from?
You did not step back far enough, BC. Anytime you increase the proximity of children and bullets you are asking for a disaster to happen. You are incorrect, most of America does not agree with you, just read some of these posts, the country is very split on this.
Explain how sending little Timmy to school to a teacher with a gun in the classroom is a good thing. Timmy goes to school not to jail. The teacher is an educator not a soldier. Let's find a way to keep the children and teacher's safe without adding potential violence to a situation that isn't violent yet....BTW, I figured someone would find a way to discriminate against me (whoever and whatever I am) rather than offer a different opinion with their view. Thank you for proving that fear causes people to lash out instead of think logically, I'm glad I was prepared.
Having a cop on campus is a great idea...but it doesn't work 100%. It failed at Columbine for a host of reasons. You have to have someone right on the spot where the killing begins because a lot of kids and adults can be killed within seconds. A campus cop can't be everywhere all the time..and they are expensive. That said, W\what would be really interesting is see how the presence of guns effects the behavior of students. I would bet that teachers will be a lot more respected and that kids are less likely to bully. I fully support this...AS LONG as the training is extensive and the guns are never EVER removed and/or pointed at anyone unless they intend to kill that person.
When did you last spend time in a modern high school. The concept of arming teachers and having kids behave as a result (with someone getting killed) is totally without merit.
Are you seriously suggesting that the students should behave because they are in fear that their teacher might shoot them? Wow....just wow.
I imagine that more men will now want to be teachers......giving them the chance to take a gun to work and maybe threaten or use it on someone. I imagine that the number of women who want to be teachers will decrease.
if indeed more men come to teaching then that will change how teachers are treated.... teaching is a "pink" job ( meaning more employees are women than men) and so it will get better.... men will not take the crap women do.....
White Person walks into School and shoots kids and others = Crazy, mental, derranged, "not loved by family and friends", e.t.c
Another race do it = Terrorist
I think it's safe to say the real terrorists live amongst you/us
Adam didn't kill those kids for political gain, hence he was not a terrorist.
Yeah but I'm sure most people (including the community where it happened) were "terrorised" by his act...hence the word "terrorist"
That doesn't make him a terrorist.
A terrorizer, sure.
I'm sure this would bode well with the parents of students going to school in poor neighborhoods where the teachers have to consistently deal with obnoxious students on a daily basis. Just try to drive one of these teachers over the edge. You'll pray for a trip to the principal's office as your only salvation.
I am not in favor at all of letting frustrated teachers walk into class packing a piece. They can barely keep up with a large class of kids without having to keep track of their bullets.
However, I am in favor of hiring active or retired SEALs to serve as chefs or line cooks at school cafeteria's throughout this land. Nothing would make me happier than my kids getting well balanced meals and having Seal Team Commander Casey Ryback ask the bad guys if he can "Serve you a meat?..." Cah- POWWWWWW!
I agree with you. Of course the idea of getting guns in the hands of every teacher in the country is fully supported by the NRA. That would surely pump of sales exponentially on the mass market. I don't even consider it a knee-jerk reaction to the Newtown shooting. They're purpose is to sell guns, plain and simple.
Almost always wacko's have targeted the so called "gun free zone's"..The teachers that will be armed will act as a deterrent...but these teachers will have a big responsibility.and will have to be trained in the use of firearms....and if God forbid, another wacko starts shooting up a classroom the teacher can do more then to try to shield their students with their bodies and be at the the mercy of some psycho....professional trained security is best,but in area's where this isn't an option,then armed teachers should then be used.
It could make them even more of a target. These psychos aren't your typical criminals...they think they're heroes and the idea of going up against armed teachers will possibly be a very inviting way to prove that.
Now a terrorist won`t even have to sneak a weapon in... They will be there ready and waiting..WHOOPIE
Just because someone can get a gun or a permit to carry one doesn't mean they should be carrying one around children. My grandmother could qualify for a concealed permit, but I wouldn't want to be around her if she was packing heat.
At least the states are trying different things. You can't stop 100% of the people from owning guns...it'll never happen.
You sir, are a pu$$y!
While that is completely untrue, it would still be better than being an idiot. Would you like to see every person who could qualify for a permit carrying around a firearm? Ride public transportation in a major city for just one day and tell me how safe you'd feel if all of those people were armed.
A big step .... in the wrong direction, America.
Not hardly. They should be trained.
What I mean is they are reinforcing a gun-centric society. This is only the beginning. If this continues, in a few years you're going to see guns pretty much everywhere. Not sure that is a society I (and millions of others) want to live in.
If you were a teacher, would you prefer to be a sitting duck, or have the ability to defend yourself, and others around you?
Irrelevant. Statsitics show that having a gun in the house increases the chances members of the household will come to harm by firearms. The same will hold true in a building filled with children and guns.
where did you get this stat ? source pls.
only matter of time before a high stress job turns someone with a gun crazy
I am a teacher, and it is a stupid idea. Most trained law enforcement officers have a hard time hitting a moving target when it is shooting back. I am more likely to kill a student than the shooter. Look up the ALICE program, much better idea.
Duh ... just wait. Some armed teacher flips out and guns down a whole classroom full of kids. Absurd? No.
Yes and a psycho would care about some law about not having a gun in a school....brilliant!
They likely wouldn't care anyhow. You're trying to think a psycho acts normally and will react as such. He likely will be driven even more to attack because he wants the thrill of combat. Have you noticed how these guys are always dressed in combat gear? They're just looking for a gunfight.
Because if the teacher has to bring the gun from their house it will definitely stop them from shooting people...
Some crazy teacher could do that now if they wanted to. What's your point? Another problem with liberals.. always so concerned about what MIGHT happen instead of what's actually happening. People are being murdered in gun free zones every single day and you don't care. It's a proven fact that an intruder is more afraid of an armed victim than the police. It's a fact that the more guns there are in an area, the lower the crime rate. Why do you want our children to be targets for psychopaths? You must be out of your mind!
In at least one state - TEXAS (of all places) - Self-Defense is NOT a defense against prosecutions against you owing to your infliction of injuries or death upon third parties ! !
You WILL be held responsible ! ! ! . Since when is YOUR skin worth any MORE than that of ANOTHER !
This, I think, is the crux of the entire gun ownership issue : Enact this sort of measure, MAKE IT CLEAR to everyone, ENFORCE that law - THEN, yes, guns are fine for those who feel that they can or need to BEAR this REAL, TANGIBLE risk ! ! - of PRISON OR EXECUTION.
Policemen are always policemen on the job.
Last I checked a teacher is a full on full time job. Do we now expect them to switch instaneously from teacher to cop and decide when lethal force is justified? Just asking for trouble.
They will end up being either lousy teachers or lousy policemen, or both.
No, seems to me we're just expecting our children to be targets and don't want anyone to be able to defend themselves. Seems to me we love gun free zones, even though people are murdered in gun free zones every single day. Yet we still don't want them to be able to defend themselves because an accident MIGHT happen. Well, in case you were unaware, murder is already happening.. and the vast majority of victims are unarmed. In fact, EVERY SINGLE VICTIM in Newtown was unarmed. Don't you want them to have a chance? Or are you really that messed up in the head? Because to be honest, I think people like you who want to prevent people from having the means to defend themselves are more dangerous than the psychopaths doing all the killing.
Well this is wonderful. Tell me how it would work in the playground with a hidden sniper?
It probably won't help against those with atomic bombs either.
details, details....(I'm telling you, full body suits for this kids is next)
How is this going to stop some crazy lunatic with full body armor and an assault rifle? Should teachers pack semi automatic weapons as well?
Most probably will have semi-automatic weapons. Pistols are either semi-auto or revolvers.
More & more, Americans are seeming likely the crazy outliers in western society. The rest of us can only shake our heads in disbelief. I feel bad for the many sensible US citizens caught up in this insanity.
Well said.....America is it's own worst enemy....
Right, just wait until an armed teacher kills a or several childern by mistake! You know its not if but when!! Let the lawsuits fly!
That is for sure!
wow... this is the best we can do for school children? how sad. Putting a new, minimally-trained gun owner in a confined space with dozens of kids – all of whom will be running and panicking in an intruder situation – is a dumb idea. Highly trained police officers just killed a young woman in a home invasion on Long Island, but a math or shop-class teacher w (at best) a few hours of gun training is supposed to be superman? puh-leeze. this is asking for tragedy.
Its sure beats not doing anything, so you expect teachers to run around in panic while their kids are being shot out? average response time on a 911 call is 15-20 minutes and by that time many in the class room would have died already, being the only adult in the class room you should always consider yourself as the first res-ponder on any situation....
You sound like the teachers have never seen a gun before. Most already have conceal carry permits, so they already have training and have considered what would happen if they have to use a gun. And most people with permits train as much or more than police officers, at least New York City police.
"Most already have conceal carry permits"... really?? What part of Wyoming do you live in?
Very few teachers I know have CHL's. Besides you can't carry in schools.
I think people like you who want to prevent people from having the means to defend themselves are more dangerous than the psychopaths doing all the killing. You don't even want the kids to have a chance! You'd rather they be sitting ducks just waiting to be gun downed by some psycho. Shame on you!
It is the only idea I can see that will work.
Except it won't work.
I think people like you who want to prevent people from having the means to defend themselves are more dangerous than the psychopaths doing all the killing. You don't even want the kids to have a chance! You're a sick b@st@rd.
Prepoesterous! Ok teaches, you can shoot me for misspelling that :D
Leave it to CNN to create an article solely for the purpose of striking a nerve with it's readers and not for useful public knowledge.
Okay, So I am supposed to send my kid to public school for 13 years to be supervised by (?) many adults with all different kinds of personalities and each one of them has a loaded gun?
Of course there will be tons of people arguing it's worth. I'm done with this site.
So you trust them to teach your kids, but not to protect them.
This is ridiculous. Does anyone want the US to become a wild west joke, where everyone is packing guns everywhere?
We already do pack them everywhere, you just don't know it.
Everyone does not have conceal carry permits; nor, are they allowed to carry everywhere.
At the rate we are going, everyone walking down the street will have a gun on their hip or swung across their backs. F that.
blackhawkmom, so you'd rather be a victim? People like you are sick in the head! I think people like you who want to prevent people from having the means to defend themselves are more dangerous than the psychopaths doing all the killing.
What could go wrong?
what happens if the teacher gets mad.she might use the gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Guns are not the answer. Schools and neighborhoods need to be more vigilant. The parents in our school still refuse to sign in at the office and if you confront them in the hall and ask why they will swear at you and keep walking to where ever they want to go. This is terrible. At one of our faculty meetings after Newtown, the principal said if you have a license to carry a gun......don't ask and don't tell. I am certain our principal has a gun in her office. My greatest fear is that no matter where you hide the gun in the classroom some student will find it. They can't study and pass a spelling test but they sure have the wits to find a gun and play with it.
You hit the nail on the head there! People need to be accountable for themselves, but they are too busy asking big government to be their nanny. They want laws and regulations, but no accountability. They want the government to protect them from psychopaths, but only on their terms. They don't want to see the facts. They just want someone to do something, anything to make them feel better about themselves. It's disgusting! No one wants to do anything, they just want to complain about what is or isn't being done. Spoiled brats!
What could possibly go wrong? A nation where a high percentage of the populace is functionally insane with unlimited access to firearms. Solution? Let's add some more! Brilliant plan. Most of the teachers I knew couldn't even hold chalk correctly.
And you allow them to teach you children?
Libtards like you are confusing to me.. you complain about the quality of education coming from the socialist government programs but still ask for more government funded programs (Obamacare) and won't abolish the ones that are failing.. like our education system. So, what happens when the surgeons can't even hold a scalpel?
While you're at it...do not forget to arm the janitors as well.
Why not? There's no law prohibiting janitors from owning firearms...if they're properly trained and they have no criminal background, then why not?
Fantastic idea. There remains some sanity in this Country. Now the Criminal has to beware of law-abiding good Americans.
I am sick of the "law abiding" phrase. All the criminals in our prisons were also "law abiding" at one time.
So, let's just throw everyone in jail because they MIGHT do something. Are we going to be charged for our thought crimes too? People like you make me sick.
And the students have to beware of their teachers and each other.
Arm the teachers...that will make them behave.
Guns in class room? Someone talk sense to these crazy people.
Why not they are everywhere else.
Armed teachers are a very bad idea. To prevent one armed invader from killing once in a blue moon, you will have dozens of shootings either from accidental discharge or from passion killings. It doesn't add up, sorry.
Yeah, arming teachers who are already stressed and dealing with some punk kids that they already feel like shooting is not a bright idea.
You're assuming that a "gun free zone" sign on the front door would stop a criminal. All this does is empower good people.
And you know this will happen how? Let some states experiment and see what happens. There are no examples to reference, so your comment is pure conjecture, stated as fact. Most of what is on CNN at this point in time is conjecture, because they can't afford to bring actual news, so they bring you creative writing (interesting to read, but please take it with a few grains of salt)
I hope the school districts insure school staff who go through training and permitting to carry a gun as part of a school's security plan to indemnify them against lawsuits and prosecutions resulting from any shooting.
Your correct that might be a problem in California, New York et cetera but other states would no bill the incident at the grand jury level.
mmmK...the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun? Why can't the good guy be law enforcement? Are all teachers good guys? Bringing guns into the classroom, teachers wearing guns? Teachers accidentally shooting the wrong person, maybe an innocent student in an emergency situation? Let's hope we don't have any disgruntled teacher shootings or that a disturbed student doesn't somehow forcefully take a gun off of a gun toting teacher. Seriously, the best solution is to add more guns?
I'd rather it be a cop too, but I'd also rather have an armed teacher than nobody to stop a tragedy!
Ditto guys. This is a job for the police. I would even pay more taxes to cover the bill for this one.
Yes, several trained officers in each building would probably be a good idea. We will be increasing your property taxes to pay for them.
Yeah, great idea.. because police have never been in trouble of police brutality before. You know.. because police officers are such better people than teachers. Wake up. They are all just people! And police officers respond to crimes in progress. They aren't security guards.
... How about we use the liberal philosophy and waste a bunch of taxpayer money hiring armed guards to stand outside the schools when we could just as easily train and arm the responsible adults who are already there?
This idiocy will lead to an increase in gun related deaths in schools.
Yes but it will be one or two at a time instead of by the dozen.
when we have guns everywhere even police will pee out their pants to respond. No more 911 handle by yourself.. got guns after all... this is so uncivilized shame on people.
We already have guns everywhere. The only debate is the capacity of the ammo magazine. You should turn off the computer and go outside more often. Maybe a gun range?
Guess this would be a good time to remind people that the biggest school killing in US history was done with a bomb. Guns are optional to wack jobs. Of course, a well trained, armed teacher might stop a nut case with a meat cleaver as well.
Am I advocating guns for teachers? NO! I am advocating fixing the WACK JOB machinery. Turn off the violence education and maybe there won't be as much violence. Now before someone tells me violent crime is down in America, I must state that it isn't. The reports that it is neglect to say we have just moved the violence behind bars. Violent crime is just as popular as ever.
Larry unfortunately most people do not have the capacity to apply an historical event to their current situation. This would require critical thinking and that excludes about 90% of the planets population.
And a teacher cannot be the shooter? Easy planning and pickings.
A "gun free zone" sign wouldn't stop a psycho teacher anyway.
Yep, no way to see anything bad that could happen from this! :(
Turn in your homework or get pistol whipped. Scary world we live in.
It would not certainly be a problem in elementary schools because the students are still sweet and easy to work with. But as they grow up and reach high school, some students can be become very challenging to the teachers. Giving teachers a gun may become another way for them to deal with rude and disruptive students. I fear that instead of using the gun to defend their students against an intruder, some teachers may turn that gun to deal with discipline matters in the classroom. I strongly disagree with arming teachers with gun in the classroom.
I think that would help clean up some of our youth problems. maybe they deserver to get shot to keep the peace in the classroom. think about it. its very forward thinking.
I can see it now. Instead of blowing the whistle, the gym teacher will fire a gun to signify the start of the track session... or to quiet the class down. Very dangerous indeed.
where's the 'dumbest idea in the world' button?
Oh man!! Could you imagine if all 30 states passed that saying its ok for teachers to carry fire arms? Liberals would have a fit. I would love to watch all the liberals run around crying like babies.
If it meant a few more dead right winggers, I'd be all for it!
Until a teacher kills every kid in the classroom! Good Job America!
You are a scared liberal!
And you are another i d i o t clinging to your guns. Trying to compensate for lack of manhood somewhere in your anatomy?
You are an uncivilized conservative that obviously believes all of the steps taken to live in a civil society should be broken down for a few crazed paranoid gun fanatics that have been and will continue to be the real crybabies. I am a gun owner but the nut jobs that cry and whine that the big bad government will take away their assault rifles are a joke and an embarrassment to civil gun owners. Try and fight an F-22 or an Abrams tank with your AR-15 Bob, good luck. The first amendment is much more powerful at fighting a tyrant Government that the second will ever be, why because we are civil or at least I thought we were before crazy nut jobs like the tea party ran for office. For the people NOT the FEW!
Do you mean that this hypothetical educators would take out his students with a gun? Or do you mean with a baseball bat or a kitchen knife or some other lethal re-formatted weapon?
Somehow, I think we can trust our educators to not go postal on their students.
A teacher could waltz in with a gun in his/or brief case and do that easier now since no one in the school is armed. I'm not saying arming teachers is a good idea, you are much more likely to get struck by lightning than killed in a school, but your comment is not very well thought out.
Glad you think so highly of our teachers.
Any country that has to arm its schools is fundamentally flawed.
You got that right ! America is ripe with fatal flaws. And since the beginning.
you sound like a nut job Roger, what world are you living in? so why not just unlock the school doors and give anyone access to the schools? bottom line you have to protect the students for these acts of violence. now if the teachers need to have mental examination done prior to carrying a firearm, then i'm all for that. other than that and training. arm these teachers. and yes at some point you may a have a teacher use that gun to kill someone at the school, it is possible. but they could do it anyway if they wanted to without having that permit and training.
If you seriously want to protect our kids, you will protect them not just in the schools but throughout society. That will only happen when we take our head out of the clouds and pass some real gun control laws. (I know, you read that as blah blah blah, blah, blah).
Ok. This is one of the dumbest ideas I ever heard of! What happens when teachers loose it and decide to go off on a rampage themselves... gheeez... I'm not a teacher, but I would imagine trying to keep a bunch of unruly kids is a very stressful job (even more than working for the post office)! Is it really a good idea to give teachers guns? And what happens when a couple of bad apple students decide to overpower a teacher for his/her gun! Do these people think such things will not happen? The only real solution here is gun control and background checks... I would even take it a step further with full psych evals. This is required for law enforcement officials and in the military before they ever hand you a gun.
Now this is common sense. You cant protect against crazy. Better for these teachers to be caught with their pants up, than down. I would trust my child's life 100% with a responsibly armed teacher at the helm! Bout time these states get smart!
Would would have to be dumber to think this idea is dumb. Hope your kid is in that next school that gets hit and the Liberal Lying Politicians don't allow it.
oh, give me a break with your backwoods mentality on guns.... what's next, arming cashier clerks at supermarkets, how about arm priests at churches, or how about arming zookeepers and roller coaster operators? When does it stop? The problem is not that there aren't enough guns out there... the problem is that there are too many of them!
'Hope your kid is in that next school that gets hit '
did you seriously just say that? you pitiful excuse for a human being.
Libdumb-I think you should have stayed in school but here is a lesson Bob needed to hear too.
You are an uncivilized conservative that obviously believes all of the steps taken to live in a civil society should be broken down for a few crazed paranoid gun fanatics that have been and will continue to be the real crybabies. I am a gun owner but the nut jobs that cry and whine that the big bad government will take away their assault rifles are a joke and an embarrassment to civil gun owners. Try and fight an F-22 or an Abrams tank with your AR-15 Bob, good luck. The first amendment is much more powerful at fighting a tyrant Government that the second will ever be, why because we are civil or at least I thought we were before crazy nut jobs like the tea party ran for office. For the people NOT the FEW!
Agreed. What are we turning into when we have to arm teachers in schools? This is like the old wild west where everybody has firearms and draws at the slightest hint of confrontation. Is this what we've been reduced to as a society?
Teachers in Israel carry guns. There hasn’t been a school shooting since 1974: ‘nuff said’!
We are not Isreal...nuff said!
Were directly bordering Mexico, who last year had more deaths than both Iraq, afghan wars wars combined Nuff Said!!
Which is why we still have school shootings...nuff said.
this is not Israel. this is america. you people are all idiot to think that you should put more guns in school
What a persuasive argument. I'm not pro gun per se, but I am becoming very repulsed by anti-gun people because of their sheer stupidity and lack of rational thought.
You are literally too stupid to insult. And I feel correcting you would just be a waste of time. Some people are brainwashed to a point of no return...you are one of those people.
America has 50 times the population of Israel so in one year in the US you 50 years in Israel...it will happen sooner than later
The situation may be slightly different in Israel, has your little dinosaur brain considered that?
Israel is a war zone...Israel longs for a civil society...American has a civil society,and longs for a NRA induced War ZONE.
Go figure...Oh yeah,Conservative thinking
The word is 'enough", not "nuff", I can see how close you listened during your own education.
Actually they put armed guards in the schools, not armed the teachers. And the guards were as a result of terror attacks and not some random psycho coming in off the streets.
Israel themselves responded angrily to the NRA when they tried to use Israel as an example of arming teachers, especially as Israel actually has very strict gun laws (something the NRA didnt bother to mention)
cedar rapids – you can stick your guns right up your you know what you stupid hill billy... i feel bad for your kids if you have any or ever plan to. so sad they'll grow up to be as stupid as you.
Jersey355 it seems like Cedar Rapids has pointed out an awkward fact (ie. truth) that doesn't mesh with your view of reality. The fact that you cannot accept it doesn't make him a hill billy. It would seem quite the opposite. If we have any chance of solving this problem, it won't be by name calling and selectively choosing to ignore facts in favor of hyperbole.
My wife and I recently agreed to pay for all our grandchildren to attend private schools, but we told their parents we would only pay for a school with armed security. Everyone agreed, so this fall none of our grandchildren will be in public schools and 4 of them will be in a school with a large sign on every door that reads: "NOTICE: At Least 4 Armed Adults Are on the Property Whenever Children Are Present." The whole family feels more secure.
Every parent has to make their own choice. We feel good about ours.
Good On you tucker!
Quite to the contrary, I will see to it that my grandchildren are immediately removed from any school where teachers and/or administrators are armed. I believe that children are far more at risk with every gun that is present in their environment. I do NOT want my beloved grandchildren to be in an area where people feel a false sense of safety because of firearms. Homes where there are loaded guns appear to be far more dangerous than those without. What will happen the first time one of those guns in a school is used wrongfully? By the carrier or by someone who takes it away from the carrier?
Columbine had a uniformed armed guard and clearly that didn't have any affect on the planning or the attack itself.
Because he was a coward who fired off six rounds and then fled, and then later complained that no one regarded him as a hero.
A gun is like any other tool; potent in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.
This is more than just allowing teachers to have guns in the classroom. You are in essence giving these people permission to, or are putting them in a position to, kill someone. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, even someone in law enforcement with the training in such matters, but especially a teacher. And my son's a cop. I hope never to hear that he had to use his weapon in a lethal way.
For some reason I think killing a violent criminal would be less traumatic than watching innocent children being shot dead in front of you, while knowing you can't do anything about it.
Easier said, than done, I bet.
Which is what MILLIONS of people who carry everyday have to deal with, that simple choice, be the victim or not to be the victim. We respect you the weak who don't mind being unarmed. But you cannot shut out the folks who save them and their families lives EVERYDAY with firearms.
We aren't talking about the common citizen who chooses this risk in the privacy of their own home. There's a big difference between a law enforcement officer (or someone in the military) who accepts such responsibility as a job requirement and a teacher who is being ASKED to accept that responsibility in a school setting. Weakness has nothing to do with it. Unless I know you have had all the requisite training, etc. to handle your firearm in an emergency situation, I don't want you anywhere near me or anyone's kids.
Guns endanger more than they protect.
Tell that too Chicago, Baltimore and New York! than look at the laxed gun laws in the states that surround thiers and their gun violence rate. Those places I first mention have 2/3rds more violent crime that the states and citys that are progun, so your opinion has no value. Don't think with your heart. Use the stats!
All of those cities and much worse rates per capital before the laws were put in place, know your stats. Stats are great but only when the full picture is painted. Anti-gun laws lowered crimes with guns in these cities, there are high now because there are more people with a general higher crime rate. Guns will always find their way into criminals hands so why on Gods earth do you want even more!
Hmmm, could it be the guns are coming from the states with lax gun laws? Could that be a reason for a cohesive, national strategy to control guns?
I look back, shuddering at the thought of Mrs. Espinlaub with a 9mm.
Let the pointless internet fight between people who have too much free time begin!
I am so tired of this Culture of Death!
That's what this is part of, a lot of gun fantasy. Doesn't matter if it's on the part of the "bad guys" or the "good guys"... it's all the same. There is no difference between the hood rat who shoots up a street or an armed teacher – same culture of death mentality. And yes, much of it is being fueled by the gun manufacturers.
Wow. You must know SO much about firearms. There is no "culture of death" here...there's bad and violent people all over the world in every country. You want a culture of death? Go to Uganda, where mass rape occurs and 6 year old children are being recruited as child soldiers. Keep in mind, the US has a lower over all violent crime rate than the UK. Go watch Bowling For Columbine and smoke some more weed, idiot.
Just what schools need more guns more dead kids.
How do you figure that??? I live in md and we have some of the strictest gun laws on record and we have 33 murders per 100, 000 people. Richmond VA is just as big and has 8 murders per 100,000 You all are going to learn that trying to decide things with your hearts are not going to effect actual stats on gun crimes. Guns are here to stay in the USA Like em, love em or Leave it!!
You're implying that teachers would be shooting at kids...they wouldn't. They would be trying to stop the threat and possibly saving a lot of lives. When the only person armed is a crazed psychopath, things tend to end up horribly. It's like fish in a barrel because no ones shooting back and equalizing the threat.
"why you pistol packing mama"
Let's get it on baby ..
Statistics prove that if you have a gun in your home, the chances of you or your family being harmed or killed by guns are greatly increased. There is no reason to think that this will not hold equally true in a school. Therefore, statistics show that introducing firearms in schools will make it MORE likely students will be harmed or killed by firearms. Thank you, NRA, for sponsoring this new program to further endanger the lives of your children. Well done.
James – the original study that published these findings was greatly flawed. For example, the families that were surveyed had 1. higher instances of criminal behavior in the home when compared to the US 3. higher instances of domestic violence when compared to the US 4. higher instances of convicted and paroled persons living in the home.
I see this report cited all the time but the facts are it is incredibly flawed.
Gee, between 1979 and 1983 I must have shot off 25,000 rounds in my school. My friend would drive to school with his rifle and take it down to the range. It was called a rifle team. #1 or #2 in the state. No one in our school ever got shot.
Yeah, that study has been debunked multiple times. Completely untrue
This is one of those statistics that is designed specifically for idiots to cling to.
Let me enlighten you in the simplest terms possible.
People commit suicide. Left people, right people, rich people, poor people, young people, old people, men, women.
If they have a gun, of course they'll use it, because it's quicker and simpler.
There's your ENTIRE statistic. It's depressed people shooting themselves in the mouth, instead of drinking bleach or taking all their meds.
I suspect there will be a few sad stories coming our way soon. It is too bad that some states think this will solve our social problems.
So Wasserball. Since this has already been law in Texas, can you point to the stories? Nutcases are crazy, they are not stupid, they avoid questionable zones, stick to the gun-free zones.
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