By Lauren Russell, CNN
(CNN) - While most of the nation's students are enjoying summer break, teachers in a handful of states are studying – not their fall curriculum, but how to take out an assailant.
In Ohio, Buckeye Firearms Association, a gun rights PAC, has launched a program to educate teachers on how to take down a gunman.
"We were mocked when we first said we wanted to teach this class," Jim Irvine, president of Buckeye, said. "People doubted if we could fill the class."
States tighten, loosen gun laws after Newtown
Yet more than 1,400 school staff members applied for the 24 spots first offered in late December, he said.
Interest in arming teachers has grown among some school staff, gun rights groups and lawmakers in the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in which 20 students – ages 6 and 7 – and six adults were killed in Newtown, Connecticut, on December 14.
Photos: Teachers pose with their guns
Gun rights groups have sponsored classes for teachers in a number of states from Texas to Ohio.
In the six months since the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, legislators in at least 30 states have proposed laws allowing teachers and other school staff to carry firearms on primary and secondary school campuses, according to Lauren Heintz, a research analyst at the National Conference of State Legislatures. In most states the bills have failed, but laws have been enacted in South Dakota, Alabama, Arizona, and Kansas. Texas, which already allows staff to carry firearms with school approval, passed two new laws creating a "school marshal" program and addressing training teachers.
Some bills proposed in the past six months require only that the school employee have a concealed-firearm permit, but many of the bills include training provisions. For example, South Dakota's new law requires law enforcement-approved training for every appointed school sentinel.
The week after Sandy Hook, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told the media that all schools in the United States should have armed security, and an NRA-backed task force proposed training and arming adults at schools.
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"Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared?" LaPierre asked. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.
Before Sandy Hook, no state's law explicitly permitted firearms on school campuses, though some states had exemptions, according to the NCSL.
For 12 years, Utah's concealed weapon law has permitted a person to have, on his or her person or in a secure lockbox, a weapon inside a school. As concealed firearm permit holders, they are not required to tell parents or school officials.
But in Texas and Ohio, for instance, a person must get permission from the school district to bring a concealed weapon on school grounds.
The Harrold Independent School District board in rural Texas approved a plan to arm certain staff members in 2007. Under the so-called Guardian Plan, identities of armed staff members aren't divulged. This way, a shooter can't target them, the superintendent wrote in a column for CNN's "Schools of Thought" blog after Newtown.
"At the end of the school day, we at Harrold want to know we've done everything possible to protect our children from people who are intent on harming them," David Thweatt wrote.
The Union Grove Independent School District and Van Independent School District, both in East Texas, in January became the second and third districts in the state to authorize teachers with concealed handgun licenses to carry firearms on campus.
At Colt's Connecticut factory, no apologies for arming America
Ohio allows school boards to vote on whether teachers and administrators can carry concealed weapons into schools, a stipulation that was largely overlooked until Sandy Hook. The exception has existed since at least 2008 when the law was last amended.
Dick Caster, head of the Ohio School Board Association, said school safety plans are private documents, so there isn't a list of all the school districts that have armed employees. Though not required to disclose it, a few Ohio school districts have made headlines by voting to allow teachers to carry guns. Sidney City Schools announced in March it would be arming staff, and the school board in Montpelier approved arming its custodial staff in January.
But Bill Bond, a former principal who once confronted a shooter, isn't so sure arming teachers is the answer. In 1997, a student shot eight of his peers at Kentucky's Heath High School, where Bond was principal at the time. Three of those students were killed in the shooting. Looking back, Bond said he wouldn't have wanted a gun. "It could have made the situation worse," he said. "The potential for wrongful accidental killing is greater than the potential for saving," he said about arming school personnel.
He supports having trained school resource officers on campus, but educators have enough on their plates without the responsibility of a deadly weapon, he said.
"Anytime you have divided or added responsibilities, it distracts from primary responsibilities," he said. "From an educational standpoint, I'm against it."
Bond worked 29 years in schools and has been the school safety expert with the National Association of Secondary School Principals for 12 years. He's heard talk of arming school personnel before, but it wasn't seriously considered until after Sandy Hook, he said.
"I do realize that the only thing that would have been able to stop (the shooter) was gunfire," he said, "but that particular situation is an anomaly."
He also points out that an armed educator would have had only one gun with a few rounds, while the shooter had multiple firearms and 30-round magazines.
"Teachers will hesitate and that will cause teachers to be killed, and if they don't hesitate they'll make the wrong decision," Bond said. "It's wracked with danger."
Ken Trump, a school safety consultant who runs his own firm, agrees that it's a high-risk, high-liability proposal. He thinks only a law enforcement officer should carry weapons on campus.
"There's a huge difference between saying, 'I can protect my family and my home,' versus 'I'm prepared to protect the masses,'" he said.
There's also the question of whether teachers want to carry guns. Nearly three-fourths of teachers said they would not bring a firearm to school even if allowed, a February School Improvement Network survey showed. However, the survey showed most educators believed armed guards would improve safety.
John Benner, president and chief instructor at the Ohio-based Tactical Defense Institute, has trained school resource officers for years. He taught his first class to teachers this spring.
The three-day class, sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Association, examined mass shootings and taught school personnel how to predict a killer's behavior and shoot on the run amid obstacles like narrow hallways and stairwells. Police officers and SWAT commanders help teach the course. Participants had to have a concealed weapons permit before registering.
Buckeye paid about $1,000 per teacher, which includes tuition, room and board, and ammunition. The group will cover tuition and board for the six courses offered this summer.
Benner would like to see all school employees – teachers, resource officers, administrators – learn to use firearms.
"I hate the idea of arming teachers, but we have to," Benner said. Signs and locks won't deter an attacker and police can't respond quickly enough, he said. "It's the only thing that's going to work."
Asked if training law enforcement officers to patrol schools was a better idea than arming teachers, Caster, who was the executive director for the National Association of School Resource Officers before joining the Ohio School Board Association, said it's not possible.
School resource officers are typically funded by either the school or the local law enforcement agency.
"This is what it boils down to: Can you afford to have an officer in every school?" Caster said. "It's not in the budget."
In any event, he said, emotions should not drive the discussion.
"This isn't about guns, it's about a possible tactic," Caster said. "My plea is that we have a rational, logical discussion (about arming teachers) as an additional possible tool."
Sigh.....THIS is the solution to the problem?
What if the Teacher shoot ................
Have we totally lost our minds? Arming teachers is the solution? And what are you think? Giving a teacher a permit to carry a concealed weapon permit? The lunatics are running the asylum!!!!
What would you do ? YOu think you can do better ?
What would you like them to do, make the letters in the "gun free zone" sign larger? That sure has worked? How about dumping millions or maybe billions into replacing all doors and windows at all schools?
what is that shes holding," a hipoint?" upgrade please! what you going to do through it at the bad guys when mag falls out.
Guns in the classroom is about the last thing we need. Can't we just imagine some gun "going off" and injuring
or killing some or many.
Guns don't just GO OFF, dumbo.
Just the kind of thing one expects to hear from someone who fears what they do not understand.
Right, but a tazer might be an answer. More fun also, bad guy gets up and you get to hit him more than once.
In my state we are allowed to carry concealed firearms, if we have a permit, at all public schools. To this day I cannot think of one incident where someones firearm "just went off". I had an English teacher who was terrified that someone was going to shoot her because we allow firearms on campus by licencee individuals. I know for a fact that there were at least two people in that class (of 15) that had permits and carried, funny thing is they were both the nicest and most respectful people in the class.
I agree 100% on needing the background checks, but I think the apologists are kidding themselves when they say that keeping the guns away from the mentally ill will solve the majority of the problem. I would be far more concerned about the person who acts impulsively (can you say EVERY teenager?) or has a short fuse. What happens when that person loses it, knocks the teacher down and takes his or her gun? Now the kid has a weapon instead of just his fists.
Because having more guns has worked soooo well for families and kids who are killed every day in the hood. More guns seems to be working well also in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Congo, Somalia, etc., etc., etc.,
Most of the law abiding citizens in "da hood" aren't armed. They live in cities where owning a firearm is illegal. Perhaps we should allow them to defend themselves, they might have less crime in their area if we did.
Crminals might be deterred by law abiding citizens carrying firearms, but psycos are not. They just don't reason like the rational person. Without proper firearm training, arming novices is a recipe for disaster.
thats why any time some nut job goes to shoot some place up they shoot themselves as soon as the police show up right?
Oh you mean like in the hallways, and outside while the kids play in a playground on school property. Get on the short bus you need it bad. You protect kids from bad people with guns by arming good people with guns period. There is NO other way.
You are a bozo.
This is going to end badly. Glad I'm out of school in this day and age.
If I were a little kid I'd probably be scared of talking out of turn after seeing that picture of teacher.
The dumbest idea since the beginning of ideas. Remember Newtown? How the shooter took his mother's guns, killed her then went on a rampage? Is it possible with guns right there in the school that a lesser trained, lesser gun able teacher might have his or her gun taken and used against them? That's one of several good reasons to put this to rest right now. But of course my mind isn't overwhelmed with gun love.
So like the other dumb arrzes you would rather they stand their with their thumbs up their arres while a shooter is killing kids and teacher. ? Join the service and become a man instead of a liberal sissy.
You are able to write your post, and read the others because you had teachers. Disagree with politics if you will, but at least have the respect not to mock those who choose to educate.
I woudn't rather that, no. But you weigh the risks. Putting hundreds of thousands of guns into play will create far more shootings than they will prevent. Jack, can it occur to you that a cunning student might figure a way to get his hands on a gun in the classroom? By the way, my good friend, I have voted Republican straight ticket my entire life. Just because I can think for myself it doesn't mean I am a liberal.
This reply is meant for Dan:
The clever student isn't going to divise ways of either overpowering or tricking their teacher into getting a hold of their gun as they wouldn't know they had them in the first place. Even if they did, supposedly clever student would be taking an immense amount of risk getting caught and when you consider every perpetraitor of a mass shooting is the classic definition of coward it's not going to happen that way.
They might steal it to sell it, if they're that "clever", but they'd have no means to actually do it and would get caught immediately after the incident or after they put up the add on eBay.
Guns are literally everywhere and yet the catalyst for MOAR violence seems inexplicably linked to arming teachers and providing them training?
That's what becoming a man is to you, eh? It's some macho inkling to kill others. Ideas like yours are what keeps society shooting each other. Gang members do the same thing, only your gang might work for the government.
"What are you? A chicken?" ... "Nobody calls me chicken!" ...Then what do you do? Kill the problem.
That works for you until you become someone's problem and they shoot you.
You can talk about liberal brainwashing, but both parties are brainwashed and both parties accuse the other of being brainwashed. I suppose someone has to control the population. Who better than gangs and the gun lobbies that support them?
I think you're a coward and a bully. If my words affected you, maybe you can respond violently. That's what a "man" would do, right? It's not the 1980's anymore. Please evolve.
This reply is for Harami. I think it is entirely possible that a student could get a hold of a gun in a classroom. Im not sure why you think they wouldn't know the teacher had them. Isn't the point of all this to make everyone aware the guns are there so as not to attack the school? (I agree that this could work) But now there would be countless other opportunities for gun crimes or accidents. Gun lovers refuse to see this very real likelihood. I hardly think the specter of getting in trouble is going to stop a student from taking a gun, particularly if it is improperly stored. Everyone forgets the human element here, as if the mere existence of the gun and "proper training" makes it all good.
...and taken away by a student !! With schools barely able to meet staff requirements, causing them to look for 'warm bodies' to put in as teachers, adding in firearms is NOT worthy of discussion. Common sense, right? As a teacher, we've spend so much time keeping weapons off the campus (even utensils have been replaced by 'sporks'). Like most problems in our society, the schools become the ones responsible for 'solving them'.
That is actually a pretty good point. Can't refute that. No system is perfect, but their would need to be a pretty high level of confidence that that wouldn't happen to get me on board.
That's a logical fallacy. You're implying either the students are going to suddenly develop ninja skills and desire to disarm their teacher for the sake of killing them or fellow students or that a gunman is going to have some kind of martial training, and either choose to not shoot them and disarm them first? Which is it?
They pointed out in the article the only people that would know who carries guns would be the administration leaving no room for the scenario you pointed out.
I think the point is that if a teacher were somehow exposed as a carrier, a group of students could gang up and take the weapon. The teacher would be extremely hesitant to use the weapon to fend them off. This scenario would have to be addressed in some way to make this solution lower risk. Its not fallacy at all; the statement is not misleading. It is a logical and legitimate concern.
Teachers live in a different world. A world of Starbucks & croissants. Have you seen these teachers? And they want to give them firearms? I see them at school fighting over noon & crosswalk duty. What a joke.
What is crazy is that people on both sides of this act like they know the answer. I think in most situations this is a bad idea. But if the system is implemented properly does logic dictate that it could save lives(admittedly with a risk of collateral damage), very possibly yes. The newton massacre involved a guy going room to room, and opening fire on a teacher protecting her students with nothing more than her body. They knew it was coming. If one of those rooms would have contained a teacher facing the door, with a weapon drawn do I think they might have saved alot of lives yes. Would they have saved themselves or their students? maybe, maybe not. They very likely would have detoured or injured the assailant at the very least. I don't think people even try to think this out, they just blow their whistles as loud as they can. Consider both sides before you shoot your mouths off. Justify your opinion with logic instead of belittling others who are probably as scared, impulsive and ignorant as you are.
I agree with your scenarios, however most involved are not with kids most of the day. I cannot come up with a scenario that has guns in the vicinity of kids, that ends up getting innocents killed by a kid playing with the weapon. Locks and safes good enough to thwart the kids, reduce the effectiveness of a "protector" getting to the weapon.
The reality is that your child is more likely to win the lottery or be struck by lightning than to be shot by a crazy person at their school. I know it gets big headlines but it doesn't happen very often. Arming teachers is adding risk with a very low chance of reward.
You're right, it doesn't happen in cities and counties with laws that allow concealed carry permits and are actively known as gun enthusiasts, but seems to occur frequently in areas with strict gun control or "gun free" zones.
Odd correlation, that is.
The teachers who would WANT to swagger into school carrying a gun, should not be allowed to do so.
Hire a guard? How do they hire guards when most schools don't have enough money to hire more teachers?
Some say, the teachers may go coo coo. What about the guard? He doesn't go coo coo?
Guards don't have the responsiblity of teaching children; children that, depending on their age, can be heard to deal with. Teach creates a stressful environment. Last thing I'd want is a stressful environment with a gun in the teacher's drawer
How would you know the guard is not stressful? Do you know his personal life? You think the kids now a day are that nice?
And what about that rogue cop, does he go coo coo? Lets disarm him. How about that returned vet from Iraq. Coo Coo chance, disarm him! Is that really how we choose to live?
Wow, way to teach the kids of America an example. Fight violence with violence and pose with guns. The problem in society is that fear is ruling us. What we forget sometimes is that FEAR is a CHOICE, not a feeling. Think about this and educate your kids to fight with their mind, body and soul.
Yeah, way to teach kids to be self-reliant instead of sitting on their thumbs hoping some benevolent "authority" figure will do it for you.
You forgot to mention teaching your children to fight with "good vibes" as well. There's nothing criminals respect more than "good vibes".
Do you know why predators in nature don't attack adults nearly as often as they do younger animals? The fear of retaliation is a detourant. If you can't run, doing nothing wont save you, and no matter how bad we may want to, it isn't reasonable to think we can disarm this country. You may not agree with this, and for good reasons, but do you really not think their is not a logical reason to this idea?
Another band-aid another denial. When you accept all this massacre on the screen in name of entertainment. When you accept violence as an acceptable (and perhaps the only) way to solve problems – on screen, when your foreign policy justifies indiscriminate killings in name of collateral damage then why are you surprised if someone undertakes those same measures in real life as a way to fix their own perceived problems. Fix the problem at it's source don't band-aid it.
What a horrible statement about our society!! Doesn't anyone see how much we have degraded or are all of you blind doing the idiot stare at your phones constantly
How about we spend more money on developing smarter kids?
Google "Dumbing Down of America" if you genuinely want to know. It's a good read.
I've never seen the GOP quite THIS eager to lose an election.
They cannot believe this will go over with the public, and they must know their image will be destroyed when this backfires.
Just wait until the next teacher goes psycho and massacres a bunch of kids...
Huh, how is that recall for several Colorado state senators working out?
All these people who are screaming for school faculty to be armed will be singing a different tune when their kid gets hit by bullet from a school board sanctioned gun. And that tune will be called Lawsuit. Bet on it.
Lawsuits are everywhere. Wives suit husbands, kids suit parents, employees suit employers, you suit me and I suit you.
Your reply has the markings of an NRA troll.
And you are not a dems nor libral troll?
V.Tran said, "And you are not a dems nor libral troll?"
And this reply confirms my suspicion.
Then you are nothing but the other troll. Keep going!
I read most of these comments and have to laugh. This is exactly what we need. Why do you think these crazies go into schools because they know they are GUN FREE ZONES! Chicago is the best example as to why gun control does not work. You will never get rid of guns when they can print them on a 3D printer. Only answer is to arm a sane person to scare the crazies into thinking anybody could be armed. People who say get rid of all guns are truly ignorant morons. Criminals DON'T FOLLOW LAWS!!!
In Littleton, CO there were two armed personnel in the school and it didn't stop those Klebold and Co. from coming in and doing their thing. The school was surrounded for hours by heavily armed and trained responders who did nothing but hide behind their cars. But teachers who mostly don't want the guns would do a better job? You have to be kidding me. And what you don't see is that a gun in every room creates thousands of new opportunities for gun crime that aren't currently there. And who is paying for these guns and training? Sound like a tax increase to me. More big government. But then again everyone loves government when they are paying for the program they love, don't they.
So its about who has more guns? Good guys vs Bad guys? How about countries that banned guns to its citizens? Such as Korea. I don't hear about kids killing other kids over there. Ignorant is someone who asks people to see their view but refuses to see others view. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black. I'm totally against guns. But I can definitely see a reason why some would want the teachers to be armed. I just hope these future gun owners are aware that they are putting themselves in a very precarious situation when they have these power weapons in their hands.
You can arm anyone. The real issue is to teach the person when NOT to shoot. The reaction of people in a dangerous situations is to shoot at the first thing that moves. In a school the first think that moves may be a student trying to hide.
This is why the police are given training in an area known as hogen's alley. In this training there are simulations of bad guys and innocent men, women and children. The police officer needs to be able to determine who is the threat and who is not and react immediately.
How many teacher will be given this training?
This is nuts! What an embarrassment for our nation to the rest of the world.
'In Americas it is so dangerous that the school teachers have to be armed!"
Typical America that lacks the leadership to treat the cause. Instead we treat the symptom.
The continuing decline of America. This sounds more like one of these apocalypse sci fi movies then real life.
I would not allow any child of mine to be in a school that is 'armed".
Its just nuts.
I served 5 years on a community college board of trustees, so I have had to address various issues that affected the campus and student body, and this would not have been a consideration by anyone serious about security.
Bruce, calm down. Just admit that guns scare you.. Once you get some training you will understand that they are just a tool. Now go be a man and learn to protect your family.
Guns don't scare me. A gun in every classroom that may or may not be securely stored does. A gun in the hands of a reluctant teacher who has scant training does. A gun stolen by a student just like the Newtown shooter took from his well trained mother scares me. What person doesn't scare me? A guy who thinks he's a man because he owns a gun who would wet his pants at the first sign of an intruder.
This one thinks you need a gun to be a man...
A man should be able to defend his family. Take your skirt off metro boy.
I agree that a man should be able to defend his family. A woman too. If you feel you need a gun to do it that is your right. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the point that there are a lot of immature "men" in schools who, like you, believe possessing a gun makes them a man, makes them a tough guy. I don't want them to take the opportunity to scheme to find and arm themselves with a government issued gun to a teacher who doesn't really want it in their room and maybe fails to properly secure it. Think.
Dan, it's not about being tough. And it should be an option that teachers have. Not all teachers should do it. But plenty will and that is enough.
In the mid 1980's I went to a HS in Detroit called Mumford and we actually had an onsite police presence, an actual Detroit Police Officer or two and I never saw or heard of one them discharging their weapon, but their presence helped keep some of the students in line, but of course the criminals shot up the school constantly irregardless of police being there or not. How does arming teachers make that picture any rosier? It doen't if you ask me! Though I voted for Obama, I'm starting to wish he had lost the election because these rightwingnuts, libertarians, pro-life, gun toting dipsticks are going nuts in this country just because we have a so called liberal black POTUS in the White House! This country is starting to disgust me with it ignorance and apathy!
So, all the people in college that majored in social studies, got bad grades, and became low-paid teachers are people that we want to have a gun and protect our children? Sorry, but I dont think so. I dont even trust most teachers to be good at TEACHING let alone be armed security as well.
This is just crazy. We require teachers to do so much as their resources keep getting cut, and now people want them to be trained like police officers? With some of the students, parents and other teachers that my wife has had to deal with I wouldn't be comfortable having guns on campus except in the hands of a security guard with special training.
The day that other staff members begin carrying firearms is the day my wife will be handing in her resignation.
I was married to a teacher too and with the way some parents behave I wouldn't blame her for shooting them.
This is so crazy, is it a strategy of the fascist religious right?
Believe in creationism, because I'm packing heat.
I wish I were joking.
Fascists de-arm their citizenry...but that is ok, words don't really have meaning right?
The Christian right is not yet in power. There are many of you who speak openly about imposing the morality of your backwards bronze-age god on others by force. If you use that language (soldiers of Christ, armageddon, etc) it will be heard. Or does language have no meaning?
I use fascist advisedly, and with full awareness of its meaning. There are fascists tendencies in the religious right, whether you realize it or not. Go talk amongst yourselves about the misuse of language, and convince yourselves that you're persecuted.
If I had children in a school that armed its teachers, I would pull them out and transfer them to a gun-free private school. The proponents of this idea are flat out nuts!
And when a deranged shooter enters your gun free school let me know how it works out. I'm sure politely telling him guns aren't allowed will work, why didn't anybody think of that in Newtown? Oh wait...
You mean you'd actually send your kids into a free-fire zone?
You don't know that private schools are going to be gun free. I had a cop for a wrestling coach. Brought his piece into the locker room occasionally.
What if the Teacher Break Down due to various reason and Shoot..............................
Good thinking, it's much better to leave them unprotected and helpless than to give them a chance of survival should such an issue arise.
As a parent that is certainly your right if you can afford it. Too bad voucher programs are shouted down for parents in low income areas who would like the same opportunity because teachers unions want to protect poor teachers and under performing schools.
Apparently some people would rather be Politically Correct than save lives.
It has nothing to do with PC. We think that arming teachers is more likely to take innocent lives than to save them.
There are teachers out there that I don't trust with a paddle, much less with a gun.
So that implies that no teachers can be trusted with guns?
No, you are the one saying that.
Some teachers are borderline, if not completely, psycho. Fact.
It looks like Mrs. Colyer has been doubling down on the tater tots.
I think we should also have a state sponsored Purge once a year.......starting in Texas
the premise behind the Hunger Games is seeing more appealing.
"Overall, the evidence indicates that a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious accidental injury. When 34 injury prevention experts were asked to prioritize home injury hazards for young children, based on frequency, severity, and preventability of the injury, the experts rated access to firearms in the home as the most significant hazard."
Katcher ML, Meister AN, Sorkness CA, et al. Use of the modified Delphi technique to identify and rate home injury hazard risks and prevention methods for young children. Inj Prev. 2006;12:189–194.
Real statistics instead of pseudo-experts show that guns are a near non-existent danger to children compared to many other more mundane things like swimming pools, car accidents, large screen TVs, etc.
With "real statistics" being defined as the ones you believe or anything posted on Fox?
Bad bad bad idea.
Most of the teachers I've known–I wouldn't trust them with a gun.
Plus, nothing instills serenity in school children than being constantly surrounded by a bunch of teachers packing heat. (Not!)
I just hope that when they choose to fire, that they are calm, focused and are aiming perfectly. Most of the teachers I've known would NOT be able to do that under pressure.
Most mass murderers have the element of surprise on their side. Unless every teacher has their gun out and ready at all times, any mass shooter can get out about 100 rounds before being taken down (which is what they want anyway-suicide in a blaze of carnage).
i'd want to know what the school policy on the storage of these guns would be in the classrooms before I ever let my child into a school that allows it. If its not under a lock and key in the classroom when its not being used then no thanks. Some people can't even have guns in their homes without their kids getting a hold of them and shooting each other. What makes you think I'm gonna trust a school with hundreds of kids and guns laying around? I don't think that's unreasonable. Its not just killers you have to worry about.
On the real though, we should probably look at Australia's gun laws for some sense of understanding on what the "true problem is". Look at their mortality rate due to gun violence before existing gun laws and after. But the same people on here who complain about their legislator are the same people who give them the job because they will protect something that to them is more important then their child. If a teacher had a gun, he could have stopped him my ass. If teachers have guns, locked in a closest, then what stops me from sneaking into class with a gun and first shooting the teacher, then everyone else in the class? nothing. I already outted my only threat, the teacher. If the teacher has it on his side, still matters not. I still have the vantage of surprise and you can't stop me. All this is going to do is make it possible for another teacher to come in and shoot students, possibly the wrong one. What could stop my rage?? Idk maybe if I had a smaller clip, that could put me in a bind if I had to reload...naaa that's infringement on freedom! My second amendment! F my right to LIFE, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Give me my glock step back and watch the show. I big time. I am a level 35 in Halo, I should be good with handling a piece.
Then the teacher in the next rooms stop you from shooting the rest of the school. Besides. What stops you even if she doesnt have a gun?
Trying this is better than what I'll call the "abstinence" only policy carried out at other schools, like: expelling or suspending children for a) making gun hand signs to play cowboy and indian b) drawing pictures resembling guns c) carrying water pistols etcetera
I'll take ridiculous comparisons for 100 Alex.
the kids are next.
LMAO.. Another barbarian solution.. Civilians kill civilians with guns.. Lets give them more guns.. LOL..
Outstanding!! it's good to see the states following this kind of protocol and it's a shame it has to come to this but, it is what it is in these times.
Let me know how you feel after one of these teacher's guns accidentally discharges and kills your kid.
USA, land of the insane.
I see a possible downside... Once teachers are armed, will the public dare to say bad things about teacher unions anymore?
Well, students, the party's over. Who's gonna get
sassy in class now? No more food fights. Bullies
watch out. My ex-wife is a teacher, 24 hours a day.
Control freak. Lord help us if she's armed.
CNN, screws Up again!
I urge that their Media staff arm themselves w/high powered assault weapons to protect themselves from editorial adversaries ASAP!
CNN/More dumber Than dumb, another brainless media outlets out of touch w/American citzens!
Armed teachers would give new meaning to "student discipline."
what in the world???? all teachers aren't sane enough to carry a firearm...what if they have a bad day or terrible home life and they come to school shooting students, then what? I smell a lawsuit of major proportions..
Lawsuit? I smell dead students. Seriously, does no one understand statistics in your crazy country?
Using this logic, the first time a teacher misuses a fire arm we will have to arm the students....
Sergio, the bozo's want to do that too.
Sounds like Bill Bond the Bureaucrat has spent too much time polishing the seat of his chair if he believes that "The potential for wrongful accidental killing is greater than the potential for saving." What potential for saving does being a sitting duck provide? Teachers should be allowed the choice whether they personally wish to be armed or not. But if they wish to be actively involved in seeking to provide a last ditch defense of their students and themselves, Timid Bill needs to get out of the way.
Tom, I get to choose if teachers get to carry a gun around my kid too.
Nice ridiculous analogy.
"My plea is that we have a rational, logical discussion (about arming teachers) as an additional possible tool."
I'll give you a novel idea, why don't we have a "rational and logical discussion" about addressing the problem of nut jobs getting these guns in the first place? I know this idea seems crazy, you know actually trying to address the issue rather than simply creating a bigger problem. How are these insane people actually able to buy military assault rifles and gear??!!!
this will not solve anything but create more problems. I carry a a gun and have gt qualify every 3 months, do these teachers have to do the same.....
We need Jim Belushi, The Principal.
next.. every student should carry a gun too. At some point, guns are not enough, we'll need to have small personal nuclear weapons- as long as there a free hand to carry the holy Bible.
The fact this is happening shouldn't surprise me, but it does. Ladies and gentleman, welcome to the United States of NRA.
SO now it will be going teacher instead of going postal
you have got to be kidding! teachers in this country have a hard enough time teaching much less play security guard? pray for the future.
Turn our society into another third world country – cowards!
I for one am on the fence with this but I would like to make a comment about our nations teachers. It's very sad that this kind of stress is compounded to an already crushing load that our teachers carry. They put up with disrespectful children, parents who often hold teachers accountable for bad behavior that should be disciplined in the home, they work very long hours beyond class time, they practically take on the role of a surrogate parent for many children who need special attention. All this for the glorious average salary of 35K annually.
What's interesting is that in the 1800's, the position of a teacher held a certain deference and prestige among Americans. Oh how things have changed. Now teachers are being trained to take down maniacs who decide to commit mass murder. And as the load keeps building, wages are being cut, funding for education always takes the back burner, yet they have the most important job of any person in this country.
Here's something pretty hard to refute: mental illness tends to manifest in the age 15-25 range. Combine that with natural hormones and access to alcohol (on many campuses).....and yet some people think the way to make college campuses safer is if EVERY student were allowed to carry handguns.
I apologize in advance....that doesn't make ANY sense to me. I don't see how it could make sense to anybody. In the public school system, you aren't arming the students, but you are making access to a gun much more possible. Students will actually start planning a disturbance to get the teacher to pull out the weapon, and they'll take it from him or her forcibly.
It doesn't make sense to protect children in schools? Are you fricken serious.
It takes a real Jackarz to talk like you. Liberals like yourself would rather let children be slaughtered than stand up and protect them. You sissy minded people are what is destroying this world. 26 people including kids died because they were NOT protected in any way. I carried a gun for 45 years with 30 of them as a LEO. These catastrophes could be lessened by having armed teachers. When someone comes in like the sicko in Connecticut there is NO time to call the police and have them arrive in time to stop the slaughter. I would rather be a teacher with a gun in a position to defend myself as well as the children than to stand there with my thumb up my aaazrrs like you liberals than jsut stand there and do nothing and die. Use your tiny brain for once in your sorry life.
You are a bozo if you think school shootings could be prevented by arming teachers. Look at the NYPD, they wounded 9 civillians trying to take down one guy and you think teachers who shoot once in a while will do better. I really doubt you were a cop. I suspect you were a security guard.
sorry, but the scenario you paint is a bit far fetched. you are anticipating collusion on the part of a number of students to carry out something that offers them no reward. those same students that would be inclined to do so would be the same ones that could bring an outside gun into the school. and by the way, students that could carry concealed on campus would be the same ones that can carry concealed off. meaning they would have to apply for and be approved for their CCW. the same laws that apply to off campus carry would apply here. those that legally carry concealed understand the incredible burden that comes with having lethal force capability. studies overwhelmingly support that.
Why putting guns in class rooms? Why not creating safe, bullet proof sections in every class where they hide.. make the investment in our children rather than a trillion $ in Iraq war....
Because of budget constraints. One of the first reactions to a school shooting is to hire armed security. This may last a year or two before the first budget cut. The security officer is the first to go.
How long until a disgruntled teacher goes postal and takes out an entire class of grade schoolers?
But then we'll blame the individual.
thank you. that should be the end of this nonsense
Yeah, the class better get A's or else!!
Or what about the disgruntled teenager who overpowers the teacher, wrestles the gun away and then uses that gun to mow down his classmates?
i don't understand your point. they could do that anyway regardless of whether they have the approval to carry on school property.
Great, increase the exposure of someone's child getting popped by a teacher. This was a stupid idea then, and even worse now that lobbyists are pushing it harder.
i don't think you have given much thought to the logistics behind your statement. Please do and then repost if you feel you still have a real understanding of real world scenarios as it applies to this topic. thanks.
It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%.
- Thomas Paine US patriot & political philosopher (1737 – 1809)
If Paine could see that philosophy in practice in 2013 America, he'd be purchasing a fast ticket to Canada.
Oh, boy, another old white person who harkens back to our founding fathers. Yikes.
If Newtown takes place at a mall, do we have guns in every store and every kiosk at the mall? Do we need to arm the ticket taker at all movie theaters? How about at fast food restaurants? Should all college students be allowed to have guns in the classroom or dorm room?
This is an over reaction to a tragic situation, and it's an over reaction being driven by those who want more guns and more gun freedoms.
Really?.. Makes lot of sense to lot of people excluding me.
Seriously, I though this was an Onion headline.
I thought you changed your name to Bovada Castlenut?
So when a teacher shoots a kid out of insanity..who do we blame?
Then we blame the individual.
And the kids would be dead.
Some folks I know would blame the gun. I, however, would blame the person that pulled the trigger.
Or a student gets upset and is able to overpower one of the teachers and go on a shooting spree. I think a lot of things look good on paper that don't play themselves out in real life.
Sure, no problem. Blame the individual. That makes an increase in rate of child homicide no longer something we need to prevent.
The NRA of course.
I have worked with teachers for years and most of them are wonderful people. I don't know one I would trust with a hot glue gun never mind a real gun. Give teacher's guns and they will end up shooting their own students, the very people these misguided political nitwits think will save them. As a country our collective IQ decreases 2 points everyday!
Agreed. You've all gone mad.
Good luck. We can all see the changes from the outside. Soon you'll be Mexico (if you're lucky – you could end up being Romania under Ceaucescu). My country is also going insane.
Arming those who are in responsible charge, as long as they are trained and able, is very wise. Should we not have an army because a few stray bullets might his a noncombattent when a thousand enemy bullets are aimed at him from the other direction? Of course not. If there are three armed teachers who are trained and able in a school, and one armed lunatic walks in and starts murdering our precious children, surely one of those teachers will get a shot at the assailant and be able to put him down and save many lives, perhaps he or she will save the life of your child.
P.S. Anyone who thinks arming trained and able teachers is a total idiot and they should be silenced.
I meant to say, that anyone who thinks that it's a bad idea to arm trained and able teachers, is a total idiot.
Typical lib response. Name call and demean someone who disagress with you. Next?
You must live on some foreign planet, or Oklahoma ;-)
Have you ever been in a fire fight as a police officer or a serviceman? Then you would recognize how stupid this is.
Your point is well taken but the answer is not to 'give' guns to the teacher to protect; it is to 'remove' guns from the intruder. In your example many people still get killed. Just because "less" people get killed doens't mean it makes sense. Take guns away from people and far more people are saved.
“Just because "less" people get killed doesn't mean it makes sense.
Did you write this sentence correctly? "Less does not" means "more does." Essentially you wrote:
“Just because "more" people get killed does mean it makes sense.
maybe the next incident is when a couple kids finish their school yard disagreement with the teachers gun ...
Arming teachers would not have prevented Sandy Hook.
When the teacher went for her gun she would have been victim number one, duh.
FIX THE PROBLEM. TOO MANY GUNS, TOO MANY IDIOTS THAT OWN THEM.
Couldn't agree with you more. Here in Canada, you can't just own a gun and we don't have this problem.
Okay. Here's the problem with this. All of the sterilized, watered down "Summer" training can not, does not, will never prepare anyone for what occurred in Sandy Hook. Several of our own military with the best training in the world do not react well in their first fire fights and that is what they are trained for. This looks great on paper and I'm sure the police would have a thorough training, but this is not a police event. This is a specialty trained Military tactical team event with serious battle experience. Remember how the LAPD were destroyed by 2 bank robbers for over an hour, and that was in the 90's. They were police trained, seasoned officers that were held captive by 2 men. With that said, this would cause more casualties than help. This is not the movies. Go and fire a gun and tell me how easy it is. Look at the other people on the range and how well they are shooting. Firing a gun accurately takes a lot of skill. Now throw in a ton of chaos and disorder and you think that weekend warrior will take care of that situation? Really? Just pay for a cop at the door and call it a day, or are our children not worth that much? BTW Believing that anyone can do the job of a police officer or a military soldier because they took a class is insulting.
You are a wise and articulate guy, Billygoat72. It's only big mouth morons who claim "that would never happen on my watch". Reality is no one knows how they will react until the crap hits the fan and most of the big mouth, tough guys who believe "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun" will be hiding under the table calling for their mommy or running screaming hysterically in the parking lot!
Well said, Billygoat. You hit the nail on the head over and over and over again.
Good post but you failed to mention that the armed guard would be the first guy killed and that would be pretty easy. The only solution is to take guns away from everone.
Like that's even possible...
Liberal eureka!! Instead of having "gun free zones" we should just make our schools "crime free zones" That will fix the problem for sure!
Your sarcasm is well noted.
What liberals fail to comprehend is that criminals do not follow the laws. That is why they are called “criminals.” Why liberals fail to grasp this simple concept is beyond me.
You're not going to submit your homework on time? Go ahead, punk, make may day.
(They really need a edit button for correcting typos.)
An edit button............... This illustrates my point exactly.
Yes, it is better to be ready and prepared. The Obama administration agenda, with "fast and furious, is to declare a second civil war in the country. He want to disarm or unarm the citizens ant turn the USA into a 3rd world country!!..
"don't worry about that crazed gunman with an AR-15 and full body armor kids!! Ms. Colyer has her handgun!!!" How incredibly stupid.
I don't think arming teachers is the answer. Having guns on-site will increase the likelihood of firearm related accidents involving teachers and/or students. A teacher's job is to teach their students, not wield firearms. However, I do think it's a good idea to retrofit classrooms with bulletproof glass and doors.
Students should be perfectly safe if teachers are armed. There has never been a teacher who has thought of going postal. All teachers are saints. And the possibility of a firearm being taken or stolen from a teacher = nonexistent. It will never happen because this is too good of an idea.
yeah there are plenty of teachers I've known who i would not trust with a firearm or to take part in a gun battle. Not all teachers are saints either.
It's called sarcasm...
You're absolutely right. Guns don't misfire, and teachers don't go crazy. That must be true because my gun is so sleek and shiny, and you libtards don't understand that the guburnment is going to brand us with barcodes before the end times.
So – the public thinks so little of teachers – We are incompetent, lazy, overpaid, glorified babysitters who don't deserve pay increases- but they want us to carry around guns to protect their kids. Yeah this makes perfect sense.
Thank you! We have been bashed for YEARS, but now we're suddenly competent enough to do the job of teachers AND police officers? Amazing.
Agree. It has all the ingredients for a disaster.
Your not going to submit your homework on time? Go ahead, punk, make may day.
THIS USA COUNTRY IS GOING NUTS. YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK THIS ARMING SCHOOL STAFF WILL HELP SHOULD HAVE THEIR HEADS EXAMINED!!.
It is not the whole country. People are across the country experimenting with different solutions. Trying experiments is better than nothing, the way things are going at the moment
"If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there." - Anton Chekhov
I'm thinking of one teacher I had several years ago. He had anger issues greater than anyone I've ever met...If he had a gun, I would not have gone back to that school. Teachers are human too.
"the teacher holding a gun" picture is the most ridiculous picture I have seen so far in my 40 years of life.
I will not send my child to a school where there is even a single gun.
What about schools that have a police officer stationed there? My high school had a local police officer whose job it was to just be at the school. He was armed with a gun. You wouldn't send your child to a school where an armed police officer is present?
Adam, that is different. A police officer is a trained security expert whose job it is to look out for trouble. A teacher has multiple responsibilities, one of which should not be to provide lethal security. I will not send my children to any classroom where the person responsible for teaching them is also expected to be ready to get in a shootout with someone.
I really like this idea. Its the fastest and cheapest way to secure our schools while the rest of you wait for guns to evaporate or mentally ill people to heal on their own. Not all teachers should be allowed to carry... just school board approved... you wouldn't find a better vetted group of armed citizens in the U.S. outside of top tear law enforcement personel. Those against this idea please consider the following....
1. Accidental discharge of gun….. Counter: We trust police to carry guns in our schools, and happy to have them in our schools. Police carry guns with a round in the chamber… ready to fire. Guardian teachers/administrators would not need to carry guns with a round in the chamber (district safety protocol could be designed to insure this). Ammo wouldn’t even need to be carried in the gun…. Stored separately if needed (this would add about 10 to 15 seconds to response times)… much better than waiting for minutes for police to arrive.
2. Student assaulting Guardian Teachers and taking the gun….. Counter: Unlikely, and still a better scenario than a student leaving campus, finding an unsecure weapon and returning to campus only to reveal his intention to murder by pulling the trigger. If a student attacks a Guardian teacher, the student’s intentions are instantly revealed… there is time and opportunity to resist and receive help.
3. Accidental victims in an exchange of fire between shooter and Guardian Teacher…. Counter: The only worse scenario than an exchange of gun fire between a teacher and a shooter, is the shooter being able to murder unmolested without being concerned about someone shooting him. A shooter being confronted by a Guardian teacher has several benefits: 1) draws fire away from students, 2) wastes ammunition the shooter intended for victims, 3) provides seconds for students to escape, 4) could possibly result in stopping the shooter. These people aren’t looking for a fight… they’re looking for victims… once the fight comes they usually shoot themselves.
4. Hire professional/trained armed security guards…. Counter: Ok plan for districts that can afford it (we can’t). Very expensive, and in reality unnecessary when weighed against the rarity of these events. These events are very rare, but shock us by their senselessness and brutality. Putting an armed security guard in front of every school is grossly expensive when a similar or better level of security (by having 2 or 3 armed admin/teachers) can be attained at a very minimal cost to the school.
5. Non-lethal counter measures…. Counter: None… implement, but have a layered security… doors, pepper spray, lock down procedures are all helpful…. Schools should be encouraged to explore other means of keeping kids safe… but a few carefully selected armed administrators or teachers should be part of a layered, flexible security plan.
6. Teachers are not trained for this type of action: Counter: Neither were the teachers at Sandy Hook… yet they threw their bodies in front of the children they were charged to protect. Secrete Service agents (unarmed) could not have performed better. Additionally: you don’t need to be a member of Seal Team Six to effectively stop or interrupt the madmen who commit these crimes.
7. Guardian teacher might be accidently shot by responding police officer: Counter: “Thank you for putting teacher safety above that of protecting student lives. “ (sarcasm implied)
Statistically, there will be more deaths if you give so many teachers guns than if they don't have them.
Counter: Rather than soberly assess the statistics, I'd rather type a bunch of nonsense.
Translation: You have no worthwhile response to a logical and well-reasoned argument other than ridicule. Why am I not surprised?
Yes, by this logic we should take guns away from police officers.
Better idea: a lot of Iraqi war veterans are unemployed and soon, a lot of Afghan war veterans will be returning home! And by the way, they're already trained in how to handle a gun and protect a perimeter!
A good idea but they'd REALLY have to monitor for PTSD, else they might put a person around children with firearms prone to episodes.
There is a program called “Troops to Teachers.” This is a fast track for veterans with a bachelors degree to become teachers. Arming these veteran teachers is a different question.
Wow...you just figured it all out. Let's boil this down...more guns in schools, more gun usage will happen. It is simple arithmetic
Imagine trying to teach a group of angry hormonal teenagers Algebra who HATE you for it but you'll loose your job if they don't all pass the year end tests. Then give that person a gun.
It's bad enough that about once a week one of them gets suspended for getting in a fight or trying to sneak a knife through the metal detector. Now you have to keep a gun locked up in the same room.
To top it off, you're a lady...about 5'4" and 125lbs. You teach the 10th grade and most of the boys in your class are closer to 6" and work out every day.
Sound fake? Just go visit any City Highschool in America.
Regualtions...lol ok. 99.9% of the people commenting on this should have no opinion on the matter because they have no idea about the subject other then what they believe, without any statistics by the way, would be the best option. And they then ignore PROVEN FACTS that others have used because the method isn't as appealing to them. Pitiful.
My response is: it is obvious that if you arm teachers, that this will increase the deaths of students. By accidents, criminal teachers slipping through the cracks, sudden onset of mental illness. These things happen at a low but steady rate, and multiplied by the large numbers of classrooms, will result in many deaths per year. Get it? It's quite simple.
Actually, why am I explaining this to you? Anyone who could write the nonsense you did will not understand this point. Bye!
Your country is losing its collective mind. I can't believe this. It's madness.
Has no one learned any statistics? It's a country of >300 million. Teachers will shoot kids. There will be accidents, sudden onsets of mental illness, criminal teachers slipping through the cracks and getting hired, and the occasional death by temper tantrum. It's statistics. It will happen, and you'll very likely get dozens *per year*.
Not to mention the fact that you are putting people with guns in positions of authority over your kids! What message does that send? You think no teachers will misuse the power? Has any fascist country in history ever gone this far?
Are you all going crazy? I know that you're not all crazy... please, those of you who are sane, fight this.
Hey John (the student), if u don't please ur coach in the shower room, u know he has even a gun now.. so u better do what he says... sad sad sad....
How many toddlers have killed their parents this year with improperly secured guns? One was a cop with training too correct?
I'll bet $ those 30 states are all " RED " states! Yeah, that's exactly what we need! MORE GUNS! YEAH WOOO HOOO! Yeah! It's the wild wild west allll over again!
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"I do realize that the only thing that would have been able to stop (the shooter) was gunfire," he said, "but that particular situation is an anomaly"
Wow, I wish they would consider that when they go for eveyones guns and the new laws, rather then when someone uses there own situation against them. Morooons.
I say no guns anywhere at any time time except for the military and law enforcement. Stop shooting animals and if you want to shoot people join the army!
do everyone a favor and get the hell out of this country you brain dead statist id1ot.
I will sue the hell out of the district if they even think of arming any school my children attend! I think it is a complete joke how some people think more guns are the answer when what needs to happen is to enforce background checks and try to do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of these nut jobs. Why is the NRA so afraid of background checks???!!!!
You'd be far from the only one. I'd do the same. It obvious proponents of arming teachers are not around schools or kids much. They'd know within a week which teachers carried, the model and caliber. The gangs would also figure out how to distract and steal the CHL weapons.
WLP thinks we should focus on the wackos that carry out these types of events and increase mental health spending. I suggest the entire board of the NRA needs to be screened for mental illness for even suggesting that adding MORE GUNS to schools is going to save lives.
NRA isnt against background checks moron. We have those aready! wHAT WE ARE AGAINST IS MORE BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT DO THE same thign THEY DO now. If you think arming teachers is a bad I pray you never have to hear about your ki being killed by an armed gunmen because you thought you had the right to tell a teacher they couldnt arm themselves to PROTECT your children. Bad people rarely buy guns legally... and those that do buy them no amount of background checks would have prevented their crimes. educate yourself and think before you swallow what the left i selling you.
NRA, if my kid gets killed by a gun in school it will be the fault of people like you, the NRA, a bought Congress, and a brainwashed country....not because I didn't arm the teacher. Bad people get guns legally, in part because the laws are clearly too lax. Would it be too much to ask to have a little more in the way of background checks? The vast majority of Americans support this. It would be a great start.
They don't want their consumer base to shrink.
I think they'd find that if mental health screening was required for gun ownership, many of their biggest customers will be denied access.
Go ahead and sue. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Pick up a weapon and learn how and why it works. Stop spouting out BS about suing everyone and educate yourself. Welcome to being part of the problem, "I'm going to sue everybody" because everyone owes me something. Like it or not, the only thing that stops someone like that is someone else that has a weapon. So, go buy a clue and educate yourself on where these nutbags attack. It's not where people can defend themselves.
As a law abiding gun owner I think this is insane, as many others on this thread, I dread the day when either a gun carrying teacher goes crazy or a disturbed student wrestles a gun away from a teacher. The number of things that can go wrong with this are limitless.
It's Back to the Future Part 2 and the alternate 1985 – that was fiction, this isn't. This is a terrible idea because that will only make matters worse...
So what is the criteria that will allow the teacher to use deadly force? Does an intruder need to be firing in the hallways? Or what if a student pulls a knife on another student? Can we expect a teacher (or other untrained person) to be able to make these kinds of decisions? And don't tell me that a concealed carry course properly covers all of the intracacies of making life or death decisions.
Actually, the CCW course does break down the use of force justification spectrum. I'm not saying I'm hot on the idea of armed teachers over armed gaurds, or that any changes should be made given the rarety of the active shooter scenerio, but CCW courses do teach when and when not to shoot to defend your life or the life of another. It's kinda the point of the whole thing. If you meant to say that the CCW course dosen't adequately prepair you for when to shoot in the active shooter / school tatical situation, I think that is fair. If you wanted to do this (arm teachers), additional training would be needed.
I would like to see stats for CCW good/bad shootings. If anyone has a link to a reputable source, I would love to read it. Even though there is a lot of useless comments on this story (irrational and expected), there are also some salient points for consideration. Do teachers WANT to carry guns. I think we should be able to agree that teachers who do not want to carry should not carry. As for the background checks on teachers, we would need to be careful not to use a requirement to carry to pry into the life of a teacher that is heretofore qualified to teach by requiring the testing necessary to carry a gun. And, I am very sensitive to the "additional duties" arguement made against the idea of armed teachers. These "additional (often uncompensated) duties" do add up and contribute the problem of keeping good teachers in the first place.
There is also a problem with treating the symptom (school shootings). Addressing mental illness is certianly a need there, but there are many other social and ecomonic problems that result in shootings of all kinds. Maybe an ounce of prevention (further up the fault chain)?
You ask too many questions. This idea is for simpletons, not for those that want to think the problem through. Your are way over our heads.
I wouldn't want the woman in the picture anywhere near my kids.
I respectfully disagree.
I'd be *delighted* to know that a teacher in my district was both able and willing to do more than pray in the event of an attack.
The teachers can use a pistol whip for corporal punishment. Bye bye back talking students. Of course they would come back with a gun and kill the teacher but you reap what you sow.
Pretty soon, the rest of the world will view us not as citizens of the U S, but rather as inmates of a very large asylum ! !
You mean already.
sad very sad,but true
That boat has sailed!
Cheaper to hire a security guard plus it creates a job. If they do this I strongly want you to know that mistakes happen such as the fun I hope will be in a locked box or on the person (concealed) but if someone goes to the bathroom and sets the gun down or leaves the box unlocked my mistake a kid will get ahold of it. So at least put a blank round in the chamber so a kid will drop it and run if he fires it without killing someone by mistake. Also, it takes but a blink of the eye to fire the second round for the teacher defended the kids.
You sir, do obviously not know how a firearm works, nor a holster for that matter. Welcome to being part of the problem.
No sir.. many, many believe that your type are the problem. The sky is not falling. The govt is not out to get you or your weapons. Your time passed in 1850. This is the 21st Century. Please try to join us.
At close range a blank bullet is just as deadly. I remember the day when they said the actor Jon Erik Hexum had died on his set after playing Russian Roulette with his prop gun, loaded with blanks. A hard metal projectile does not come out of the muzzle but superheated gases do and they are powerful enough to blow your brains out if held near your head, which they did to him. The prop master should've taken up all weapons pending the next shoot but he didn't. Guns are not a toy – you should always respect their latent power and fear what can happen in a moment of carelessness.
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