By Lauren Russell, CNN
(CNN) - While most of the nation's students are enjoying summer break, teachers in a handful of states are studying – not their fall curriculum, but how to take out an assailant.
In Ohio, Buckeye Firearms Association, a gun rights PAC, has launched a program to educate teachers on how to take down a gunman.
"We were mocked when we first said we wanted to teach this class," Jim Irvine, president of Buckeye, said. "People doubted if we could fill the class."
States tighten, loosen gun laws after Newtown
Yet more than 1,400 school staff members applied for the 24 spots first offered in late December, he said.
Interest in arming teachers has grown among some school staff, gun rights groups and lawmakers in the aftermath of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in which 20 students – ages 6 and 7 – and six adults were killed in Newtown, Connecticut, on December 14.
Photos: Teachers pose with their guns
Gun rights groups have sponsored classes for teachers in a number of states from Texas to Ohio.
In the six months since the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, legislators in at least 30 states have proposed laws allowing teachers and other school staff to carry firearms on primary and secondary school campuses, according to Lauren Heintz, a research analyst at the National Conference of State Legislatures. In most states the bills have failed, but laws have been enacted in South Dakota, Alabama, Arizona, and Kansas. Texas, which already allows staff to carry firearms with school approval, passed two new laws creating a "school marshal" program and addressing training teachers.
Some bills proposed in the past six months require only that the school employee have a concealed-firearm permit, but many of the bills include training provisions. For example, South Dakota's new law requires law enforcement-approved training for every appointed school sentinel.
The week after Sandy Hook, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told the media that all schools in the United States should have armed security, and an NRA-backed task force proposed training and arming adults at schools.
Six months since Sandy Hook: Newtown residents find their voice
"Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared?" LaPierre asked. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said.
Before Sandy Hook, no state's law explicitly permitted firearms on school campuses, though some states had exemptions, according to the NCSL.
For 12 years, Utah's concealed weapon law has permitted a person to have, on his or her person or in a secure lockbox, a weapon inside a school. As concealed firearm permit holders, they are not required to tell parents or school officials.
But in Texas and Ohio, for instance, a person must get permission from the school district to bring a concealed weapon on school grounds.
The Harrold Independent School District board in rural Texas approved a plan to arm certain staff members in 2007. Under the so-called Guardian Plan, identities of armed staff members aren't divulged. This way, a shooter can't target them, the superintendent wrote in a column for CNN's "Schools of Thought" blog after Newtown.
"At the end of the school day, we at Harrold want to know we've done everything possible to protect our children from people who are intent on harming them," David Thweatt wrote.
The Union Grove Independent School District and Van Independent School District, both in East Texas, in January became the second and third districts in the state to authorize teachers with concealed handgun licenses to carry firearms on campus.
At Colt's Connecticut factory, no apologies for arming America
Ohio allows school boards to vote on whether teachers and administrators can carry concealed weapons into schools, a stipulation that was largely overlooked until Sandy Hook. The exception has existed since at least 2008 when the law was last amended.
Dick Caster, head of the Ohio School Board Association, said school safety plans are private documents, so there isn't a list of all the school districts that have armed employees. Though not required to disclose it, a few Ohio school districts have made headlines by voting to allow teachers to carry guns. Sidney City Schools announced in March it would be arming staff, and the school board in Montpelier approved arming its custodial staff in January.
But Bill Bond, a former principal who once confronted a shooter, isn't so sure arming teachers is the answer. In 1997, a student shot eight of his peers at Kentucky's Heath High School, where Bond was principal at the time. Three of those students were killed in the shooting. Looking back, Bond said he wouldn't have wanted a gun. "It could have made the situation worse," he said. "The potential for wrongful accidental killing is greater than the potential for saving," he said about arming school personnel.
He supports having trained school resource officers on campus, but educators have enough on their plates without the responsibility of a deadly weapon, he said.
"Anytime you have divided or added responsibilities, it distracts from primary responsibilities," he said. "From an educational standpoint, I'm against it."
Bond worked 29 years in schools and has been the school safety expert with the National Association of Secondary School Principals for 12 years. He's heard talk of arming school personnel before, but it wasn't seriously considered until after Sandy Hook, he said.
"I do realize that the only thing that would have been able to stop (the shooter) was gunfire," he said, "but that particular situation is an anomaly."
He also points out that an armed educator would have had only one gun with a few rounds, while the shooter had multiple firearms and 30-round magazines.
"Teachers will hesitate and that will cause teachers to be killed, and if they don't hesitate they'll make the wrong decision," Bond said. "It's wracked with danger."
Ken Trump, a school safety consultant who runs his own firm, agrees that it's a high-risk, high-liability proposal. He thinks only a law enforcement officer should carry weapons on campus.
"There's a huge difference between saying, 'I can protect my family and my home,' versus 'I'm prepared to protect the masses,'" he said.
There's also the question of whether teachers want to carry guns. Nearly three-fourths of teachers said they would not bring a firearm to school even if allowed, a February School Improvement Network survey showed. However, the survey showed most educators believed armed guards would improve safety.
John Benner, president and chief instructor at the Ohio-based Tactical Defense Institute, has trained school resource officers for years. He taught his first class to teachers this spring.
The three-day class, sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Association, examined mass shootings and taught school personnel how to predict a killer's behavior and shoot on the run amid obstacles like narrow hallways and stairwells. Police officers and SWAT commanders help teach the course. Participants had to have a concealed weapons permit before registering.
Buckeye paid about $1,000 per teacher, which includes tuition, room and board, and ammunition. The group will cover tuition and board for the six courses offered this summer.
Benner would like to see all school employees – teachers, resource officers, administrators – learn to use firearms.
"I hate the idea of arming teachers, but we have to," Benner said. Signs and locks won't deter an attacker and police can't respond quickly enough, he said. "It's the only thing that's going to work."
Asked if training law enforcement officers to patrol schools was a better idea than arming teachers, Caster, who was the executive director for the National Association of School Resource Officers before joining the Ohio School Board Association, said it's not possible.
School resource officers are typically funded by either the school or the local law enforcement agency.
"This is what it boils down to: Can you afford to have an officer in every school?" Caster said. "It's not in the budget."
In any event, he said, emotions should not drive the discussion.
"This isn't about guns, it's about a possible tactic," Caster said. "My plea is that we have a rational, logical discussion (about arming teachers) as an additional possible tool."
Sometime in towards the end of March I felt like I could go on a shooting rampage. And I teach kids that are pretty nice! Don't put a gun anywhere near me. Very bad idea NRA.
You already sound like a loon maybe you need a new line of work?
The best trained people we have are the police and military personnel. 9 bystanders injured in the Empire State shooting last August, all by police bullets. Boston officer injured by friendly fire in May. Hofstra University student mistakenly killed during a break in in May. No disrespect at all to them! They train throughout their careers, but bad things happen when bullets start flying. Do you really want your kids' teachers to draw down on an intruder?
Your average police officer is not as highly trained as you think. Look up the FBI shooting test, not hard.
WHO is going to pay for the outrageously expensive Personal Liability Insurance for each armed teacher ? ?
Then, there is time out for training.
THAT altogether will likely cost more than having police guards.
Not to mention the training expenses and the cost of the guns. This is such an ABSURD idea.
The people wanting to arm teachers will be the very same people screaming at the Govt for the tax increase in the school district required to pay for all this stuff. Go figure!
Bond should not be listened to a person carrying 1300 rounds and dozens of magazines still has to reload and load mags will only have a few mags to hold.
Bond is NOT a qualified expert end of story. He was a principal NOT an operator.
Yea I kind of had to laugh at quoting Bond. On his watch a bunch of kids got shot while he did nothing, and he says that confronting the shooter might have made things worse? A total loon who is trying to sooth his own conscience.
During my education years I had a few teachers with short tempers. I don't think I'd want them to carry a gun, EVER!
Good for these states! Our kids are troubled and lacking discipline these days. Whats a better way of setting an example than a bullet in their a**. Good on you teachers! Show them kids! Oh yeah and vote Republican
Dumbness in congress never ceases to amaze me. Little or common sense things are this days like a calculus problem. May be we should be sending our kids to school in FINLAND for better IQ in Mathematics and Science.
I used to have a teacher who would turn to the board and count to ten while hitting her head on the chalkboard. I don't think she had a criminal record, but she was a little crazy.
My son is growing up with me, because his mom turned out to be bi-polar. She has assaulted paramedics and generally caused mayhem and been involuntary committed several times for extremely bizarre behavior in public. What is her job? You guessed it, a teacher. She was not charged for the assault because she was so obviously psychotic, they hospitalized her instead. She can seem totally normal between episodes, and since she has no criminal record (and medical records are private) has no trouble keeping her teaching license, and could probably get a handgun permit as well. When my son was small, she only had court ordered supervised visitation, while at the same time teaching classrooms full of kids. People that want to arm teachers haven't a clue.....
W o t - There will soon be some very interesting (and tragic) new incidents ! !
But the nincmpoops driving this insanity will get by without a mark ! !
what if the teacher(s) was so stressed with his/her students that he/she turned to the students and start shooting... isn't this a possibility... americans are turning their school into a war zone... and what about the trauma of the little children seeing their teacher(s) killed someone inside their classroom... guns are not the solution... preventing the guns acquired by the wrong person through controls are the solutions...
What a Uniquely American Solution!
Yeee Hah.....Here's an easy solution to the Gun problem....Lets Git some more Guns....Yeee Hah.
Good Luck folks.
(sigh) ....... I know. America..... land of the gunslinging idiots
Having a police officer in every school is easy and needs no budget issues.
First off you can have cops as part of their patrol with ID cards (on top of creds and uniforms) like at airports. Just do simple sweeps and maybe even write their reports at school.
Second you can eliminate or reduce a non important leo function such as traffic enforcement. Take those same resources put them into schools and have them trained to higher shooting standards.
Same budgets just different allocation.
First and foremost, the lack of respect and understanding of another person's beliefs never ceases to amaze me. This very problem is a large part of the social failures of America. It isn't about gun control and gun rights. It's about the proper treatment of each other as human beings. If we learned that basic philosphy, this entire debate could go to the wayside and not be necessary. Additionally, we can not make a bunch of emotionally rash, knee-gerk legistlation. It must be carefully thought out and implemented. There is no immediate solution.
Now, in direct conversation regarding this article: We do not armed staff in the schools, but there are several requirements that must be met in order for it to be safe. 01.) The firearm must be concealed or secured at all times, in an effort to remove the weapon from everyone's mind. Out of sight, out of mind still holds true and the students will not focus on that during the course of the day. In an ideal situation, the students will never know which staff are armed. 02.) There must be appropriate law enforcement based training involved, rather than any half-baked concealed weapons course available to the general public. I have seen and sat through some very minimal courses that are full of bad information. Law enforcement training is far more detailed and critical, reducing the liability aspect. Additional training annually should also be a requirement, which can be accomplished during the various breaks including summer. 03.) The ability to carry a concealed weapon must be voluntary and free of any additional compensation. By either forcing staff to carry a weapon or providing compensation, you place or attract the wrong types of people in to the situation. In the mandatory scenario, you will have a large number of staff that are not and have no interest in being trained correctly. They will not be in the correct mindset and are more likely to leave a firearm laying around. If you provide compensation, you are attracting the staff for financial reasons, rather than for the safety of the public. In general, volunteers are far more likely to have an inherent interest. 04.) The can not be held liable for failing to take immediate action during an emergency situation like this. The Supreme Court has already ruled that a law enforcement officer does not have a duty to protect an individual, so that same ruling should apply here as well. However, they must still be held responsible for any negligent actions they take should they decide to become involved. Just as an officer is responsible for every round that leaves their weapon.
It is proven time and time again that living in a gun-control state or attending a gun-free school does not eliminate or even minimize the violence or deaths. In fact, even President Obama has indirectly admitted that gun control does not work when addressed Hyde Park Academy in Chicago. He said that 65 children had been killed last year due to gun violence in one of the strictest gun control states, in the strictest gun control city. Los Angeles has the same tragic situation.
Great idea! Now the deranged killers, most of whom are disgruntled students, won't have to buy / steal guns and plan their massacres, they'll be able to go off the deep end right then and there and have a ready supply of guns at their disposal in school. These are teachers, they are not trained police officers or ex-military. And before anyone accuses me of being a "liberal", I own guns, hunt, have a carry permit and served 4 years in the military.
Three of my kids teachers are ex-military... don't throw about blanket statements like that. I agree that many teachers would not be suited to carrying but some could be with the right training and screening.
If you can't beat them, join them.
Right-wingers have dragged this once great nation down the toilet hole. The day cannot come fast enough when the US is no longer the dominant world power. Who wants the leading country to be so corrupt and evil? I used to be fearful of China, but now I think they are a far more civilized country and a better role model.
Honestly, they are probably spying less on their citizens than our government is.
nah, you still have reason to be more fearful of China
So called right-wingers built this once great nation. The loony left came along far later and had proceded to destroy the nation with their irrational and ill conceived ideals.
Home school anyone?
This is seriously the first time I've ever considered it. But its looking like the only option. Not to mention I'm getting to the point where I simply don't want to risk exposing my children to right-wing ideas/psychosis.
I'm a former high school teacher, and I can say with 100% sincerity that there were students I would trust with a firearm over many of the teachers I worked with. The simple truth is that not everyone in education is a professional. In fact, many have the maturity and common sense of a 12-year old. I would only arm myself as a teacher to protect myself from other teachers. And given the number of teachers I've seen who've had their wallets, purses, or other valuable items stolen by students, this idea drips with stupidity.
Yes, I have seen what a nut off the streets can do to a police sub-station. Even the best seasoned police veterans can be caught off guard. This is very serious situation for our country. Also, the background check of police officers, IS NOT the same for teachers, nor is the training. I would be cautious of those to eager to carry a firearm in a classroom.
Every insurance company in America just creamed themselves.
I would bet any amount of money Republicans complain when this ends up costing big bucks, then blame "big government". Oh man this country is just plain d\/mb.
Looking forward to hearing a student grabbing the teacher's gun and start firing. Americans are crazy!
Disgusting. America is going down the toilet. Our forefathers would be turning over in their graves. The morons that a running this country are making a mess of everything.
As a SWAT commander, I can say this is a terrible idea. Schools need trained professional law enforcement officers in the schools to deal with shooter threats. As my teams make entry into a school violence situation we will have no idea of which person with the gun is the good guy and which is not. God bless our teachers, but we train constantly on shoot-don't shoot scenarios, will teachers receive this intensive training?
So, what do you prefer? 6 teachers and 20 kids become bullet sponges while you and your team are in transit to take care of an active shooter situation? There's not enough money in most police budgets to put armed officers in every school and, lets face it, there was an officer at Columbine and he couldn't intervene.
If you're really a SWAT Commander, you know 2 things about these situations:
1. They are an anomaly
2. They are over before you get there
So you want to arm the whole nation to prevent 'an anomaly'? Ludicrous.
There is no substance to the VoiceOfReason.
Right wingers refuse to understand math. In the past few months we've had numerous parents and siblings including a policeman's wife shot by small children who found guns. Let's put a few million loaded firearms in close proximity to kids every year and trust that each and every teacher will have it on their belt but inaccessible to everyone but them in an emergency every minute they're at work. Then when shootings increase, let's pretend it's a failure of "personal responsibility." Naked ploy to sell more guns and show your power over politics, that's all it is.
This is not the America I grew up in. We are on the verge of becoming a wild west/call of duty fantasy world. Only problem is that the bullets will be real and so will the deaths to come. Everyone has "murder in his heart for the judge". Some act on it, most do not. In a world where everyone carries a gun, how will we settle our differences? There are those who actively plan to murder others, but many more who secretly wish they had but reason enough to kill. The human race is at the tipping point and extinction hovers nearby, and the Reaper is laughing!
Teacher employment application form:
Question 1: Are you mentally unstable or have ever thought of shooting up a school ? Nooooo way.
Question 2: Are you an experienced Shooter? Yes, and my Mom is an NRA member.
We can't stop there, we also need to arm the school bus drivers, because these things sometimes happen there. While we're at it we also need to arm the secretaries in the workplace, because these things sometimes happen there too. Please arm the girls at the Dairy Queen because there could be a shooting there too. What about at the daycare center? Arm them too. What the heck, just arm everybody then we'll all be safe.
Arming teachers is nutso. I've had great teachers in my life (most of them). I've also had some pretty flakey one. I've had some nutso fellow students. Now put guns into the mix and....
Only in America!
I really like this idea, as long as their gun is required to be secured in a safe or lockbox.
Yeah – Just tell the shooter – "wait I have to get my gun out of the safe"
Makes sense to me. had a teach had a gun when those schools took place there's a VERY good chance the bad guy would have been taken out much sooner.
worst ... idea ... ever
Just thinking about some of the crazy teachers I had. "Mrs. Johnson, may I be excused to go to the bathroom?" "Sit down and shut up, Johnny ..." BLAM, BLAM, BLAM!
Just because a teacher is trained to use a gun doesn't mean he or she is ready for battle. It applies to soldiers and law enforcement personnel. When the gunman is firing away with his or her machine gun, do you really think the teacher is ready for a shootout? I don't think so.
for those who question weather a teacher would be capable of defensive action with a gun. Several teachers at Newtown and at Virginia Tech stood between the gunners and their students. Those brave people would have shot back.
Amen rom you cant educate a silly Democrat
machine gun ...really? now you just sound stupid not to mention uneducated. This common misconception that law enforcement are crack shots is laughable NYC, LAPD heck they just shot a college kid recently when trying to save her life instead killed her. In matches I compete in cops average lower to middle of the pack. Never had a winner from police in a comp I have attended . I know there are some out there but there few
Taxpayer financed school violence.. Lovely
I wonder whether this is what it was like in Rome, when it fell in 410 C.E. and 476 C.E..
Babylon the Great has lost its mind and is falling, and it won't be able to get up, again.
This are the actions that leads to a nations demise. Bad and selfish policies every day and every where and whenever opportuned.
its funny in VA you can carry a gun in a bar "texasroadhouse" "Applebees" ect as long as your not drinking and notify manager of your CCW. demturds said crime in bars would increase 50% and yet last year they pulled the stats on crime in bars .......Were down 10% :)
ANOTHER DEMOCRAP FAIL
I will not allow my child to attend any school where the teachers are allowed guns in the school site. Arming teachers will cause more tragedies.
I doubt your kis wil ever amount to much anyways. What stats do you have to go on that tragedies will increase? what your a lying demturd ahhh got ya
Do you seriously think it wise to question another person's children and their future success when you can't spell worth a damn yourself?
Since you're clearly one of those "flaky" parents your kids are doomed anyway. You probably also think gays are normal, abortion is a choice, believe in evolution, women are equal to men, etc etc. Open your eyes, the lies you believe are not true.... you saying so doesn't mean anything. Fool.
You are right on one count ... women are not equal to men, they are superior. If the world were run by women we would never have gotten to this level of sheer ignorance.
""This is what it boils down to: Can you afford to have an officer in every school?" Caster said. "It's not in the budget.""
It will dam well GET into the budget after a few of the lawsuits are settled ! ! !
WHAAAAT!? Ban guns, christians, conservatives, dogs... Come on! What is going on arming the teachers. The best thing to do is higher a police officer to guard the schools. Duh! Why reinventing the wheel. So morinic on both the left and right wings.
"Since the Newtown massacre, at least 30 states have made wild power grabs to enrich arms manufacturers and profit from the murder of over two dozen people."
Exactly. Why dont the American people realize how evil the NRA and arms manufacturers are by profiting from the slaughter of innocent children.
Some of us do realize it – and it is like looking into a very dark nightmare.
SOOO glad my kids aren't in school anymore. I would have pulled them out of one that insisted on loaded weapons available.
You are clearly a flake parent, one of those politically correct ones. Probably an democrat, lol. I pity your meager existence.
You're clearly an idiot.
And in Ohio, the safety plans are private? If I were a parent there I would demand that they be made public. I would not want my child in a school that had teachers acting as enforcers. Especially considering the intelligence level of some of the teachers in the work force.
If my school district makes them private, I will sue. Then sue for damages and include the NRA, all gun manufacturers. Heck, the ACLU will even provide the lawyers. It'll be like winning the lottery! Payday!
I wonder how long it will be before one of these teachers goes on their own shooting spree and blows their own class away, or kills everybody in the teachers' lounge. Who here really thinks this pool is completely stable? Clearly, no one remembers going to school like I do. Half of my teachers were off of their rocker after dealing with juvenile delinquents for 25 years. Mark my words....this is going to be bad.
Exactly. Teachers are just as likely to be mentally ill as any other civilian. It is because of the paradigm that teachers are the "good guys" that this is even being considered. This is a horrible idea, and will most likely increase the chances of a shooting.
If teachers are so crazy that you think they will kill your kids then why are we allowing them to teach in the first place.
Some should not be. I remember when my kids had a truly bad teacher. We ended up pulling them out for the year and home schooling them. Much better than to force them to waste an entire. Granted, not everyone can or is willing to make that sacrifice but it was well worth it.
I love the chick pic ...
"Class, you have been very naughty, time to stay after for some rehabilitation and discipline .."
I am a high school teacher and I think this idea is GREAT! Just think of how much easier it will be to keep my classes in control if I can threaten them with a gun every so often. My only worry is misplacing it or having it stolen. I keep losing my laserpointers (where do those damn things go?) and whenever I have a sub something goes missing (usually the candy I keep in my supply closet). Little thieves. Can't trust them farther than you can throw them!
Exactly what I thought. Some teachers are the worst bullies kids ever experience in school. Imagine the lordship that will evolve from this. Its a frightening thought.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard of in awhile. You give a teacher a gun, where is he/she supposed to keep the gun, in a desk drawer, where some curious student could find it when the teacher leaves the room. Oh, they would have to keep in under lock and key? And when some psycho walks in with a gun, the teacher says "hang on, let me get my gun out of the lock box." And are they going to arm the lunch ladies too? "Eat your peas kid or I'll blow your head off"
And what happens when God forbid, some nut does come on to a campus and a kid gets killed because the teacher was unable to get a gun out and shoot the person. I can see the lawyers lining up for that one, suing the school, the teacher etc...
Granted something needs to be done, but this not the solution. Instead it's like pouring gas on a fire.
It's about time.
"The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
I hope that when an armed principal or teacher shoots and accidentally miss a suspect and kills a student ... he or she will be able to explain to the child's parents what had happened and bear the huge burden of guilt and also prepare him or herself for manslaughter charges.
You hope that a student is harmed. Man, you need help! It's the kind of people like you who I am most afraid of.
Only an idiot would wish for an accidental death, especially a child, to prove a point.
We just had an example of a police officer missing a killer and accidentally killing a young person. It is tragic but it could happen. But just letting the killer go on killing without interference is not a good option. DUH
You need to read more closely. The comment was that he hopes whoever accidentally shoots a student while missing the bad guy, if and when it happens, will be able to satisfactorily explain why this happened not that he hopes it will happen.
So, the story we will hear once this goes into effect is that some student wrestled a gun away from a teacher and killed some people.
Then we'll need body guards for the teachers.
the stupidity will carry on from there...
This is a move in the right direction, but sadly, not smart. It's not enough to arm teachers. Because you then just transfer the risk onto the teacher - what if the teacher goes nuts and decides to kill a few dozen kids? What if a kid pulls the gun out of the teacher's holster while he's bent over sneezing, or gasping for breath after being maced by one of the kids?
No - the answer to this is wall safes inside the school - preferably in the walls between adjacent rooms. This way, the gun can be locked up and not be available unless and until two teachers - one on each side of the wall - insert their keys.
What is stopping a cop from going nuts and shooting people. Do we have to have dual key wall safes for all police officers too? What a joke. Do proper background checks, screen them just like you would for police training, and the train them. There are carry safe holsters to prevent someone from grabbing your gun, most guards at schools use them already, and there are gun safes that can be used in a school to keep the gun safe and yet allow quick access.
Your comment is silly and senseless. Are you suggesting that if a student wants a gun they can't get one unless they wrestle one away from a teacher? If so, why stops them from just wrestling one away from a guard or a cop for that matter?
I hate to break it to you, but police officers are human beings just like teachers. With training and proper selection there is no reason a teacher can't be just as effective, safe, and beneficial as a police officer.
Baloney. The type of people who teach are NOT the same type as those who train to be Police officers. I can see where something like this would be a game for some students and not ending well.
Teachers would have to take considerable time off and training to be competent in a crisis situation such as a school shooting. When the first teacher shoots and kills an unintended target, whether a student or another armed "good guy," that teacher will be devastated, and liable in the ensuing civil and legal proceedings. Why are we asking for this madness?
Be prepared for accidental discharge in schools.
What funny country. Will fight for the right to have everyone who wants one to have a gun to the point of arming teachers,( what could go wrong with that) to protect children in the classroom. At the same time it is acceptable to monitor everone`s email and phone calls but don't dare ask for a background check to buy a gun.Very strange indeed.
There is a background check to purchase a gun from any licensed dealer. There is no background check for private sales but those are a smaller number of transactions. Even at gun shows, a licensed dealer will run a background check.
Whatever the case, a criminal who buys a gun on the street won't be subject to a background check even if the law says there must be one... that's why they are criminals.
All guns are purchased legally in the beginning. They end up in criminal's hands by private sales.
Maybe in your state they do background checks at gun shows, but certainly not in all. When I brought a gun in Texas from a gun shop, there was a waiting period and that was all. No background check. At gun shows in Arizona and California, you can buy an gun or rifle without ever showing an ID let alone a background check.
One more thing, the vast majority of people I've spoken to DO NOT think it's acceptable to monitor everybody's email and phone calls. That is government run amok.
Thank you Patriot Act!
School employees would be complete morons to accept the liability of carrying firearms and trying to defends schools. Not only is that totally unrelated to their responsibilities and duties as educators, at a minimum, they would need to be protected totally from liability by state law and paid for the risk and responsibility such as 25% or more of their base pay!!!!!!!! Also, totally covered under workers' compensation for any accidents, injuries, or dying and allowed full retirement with 20-25 years in just like cops and all sorts of guards, etc. are allowed!!!!! Don't let yourselves be total chumps educators and school staff!!!!
Name one state where educators already do not get from 20-30 year retirement.
If someone can create a cost effective metal detector they'll be set for life! Another MAJOR step forward would be to incarcerate people for gun crimes, NOT on the 3rd/4th/whatever but 1st time, our impotent legislators/ACLU/churches/etc always want to give people a 'time out' instead of enacting 'serious' penalties for making bad choices. If you're going to be removed from society for some serious time, it will eventually sink in!
This means that the arms manufacturers and the NRA won a victory and will make a tremendous amount of money, due to this foolish plan to arm teachers; and, our legislators, who received money from the lobbyists, were, no doubt, rewarded handsomely for making this possible.
I ask you all this.
If the principle or a teacher at Sandy Hook had access to one gun. Do you think as many children would have died?
One of those brave women ran into the shooter to try and tackle him but was killed before she could do anything. Maybe if she was able to fight fire with fire she might have helped save a few people from harm.
I understand where you're coming from and I'm all for gun rights, however, events like this happen very seldom. There are thousands of schools in the U.S. and 1 psycho entered Sandy Hook. How many fights, bullies and bullied people that snap are present at schools on a daily basis. This mindset allows access to a gun in the heat of the moment. More people will die than be saved by this approach.
Sandy Hook is not an isolated incident. You just don't hear about all the incidents, but that doesn't mean that they don't happen
Funny you should say that. Since your statement seems ignorant of fact I shall allude you to some. Fact: There was an armed guard at Columbine. Fact: There was also another armed guard near by.
Gee, lets talk that out. The guy took them by surprise. how long would it take to get a gun out of a gun locker – longer than it takes the shooter to get you first, or run down the hall to get someone else.
Or say you have the priniciple and a few others carry guns around all the time. So what if they are not around when shooter appears. he shoots a bunch of people and then when you come running he is going to shoot you.
Or, the most likely outcome: thousands of armed teachers have weapons that end up being used for dozens or hundreds of one-off killings all over the country. Similar amounts of people killed, just in separate places. But hey, no bad guys right? right?
You will never have enough guns....NEVER!
That is a stupid argument. Explain to me how we determine who is the good guy, and who is the bad guy. We have bad teachers too. Please help me understand how a teacher is going to be responsible not only for teaching but for saving your children from a shooter. When do we decide that a teacher is qualified or trained enough to handle a gun, let along shoot at someone. Even cops make mistakes. The solution to gun violence is not more guns.
No kidding. That principal ran at the intruder and got shot. If she ran at the intruder with a GUN that might have changed things drastically.
Or he might have had one more gun to use...or the Principal might have shot, missed and killed someone else. Lot's of possibilities,few of them good.
Buddha, there is a flip side to that scenario. Maybe the principle has a gun and mistakenly shoots a student. Or maybe the principle has a bad day and takes it out students and employees. You are thinking one single scenario. There are so many other scenario where a teacher or principle has a weapon and things go wrong. Teachers are not armed forces, they are educators. If this is the road we are going to take then they should pass a bill to have police teach grade school
Buddha I agree. If a teacher were only carrying a simple tiny concealed 6 round revolver that would have been more than enough to take down one shooter. If it would have saved one childs life it's worth arming the teachers. The real question is, what makes the "police officer" more appropriate to carry the gun? The answer? Training. This isn't about guns or the second amendment this is about protecting the children and at the end of the day that's all that should matter. I say we go for it. Those teachers who feel comfortable with a concealed (keyword CONCEALED) weapon and having to use it if necessary should be allowed to take Law Enforcement training classes. I would feel much safer knowing my daughter is going to a school where there is a teacher or multiple teachers that are armed knowing how long the response time would be for a police officer to arrive.
"Can't sleep, teacher will shoot me. Can't sleep, teacher will shoot me. Can't sleep, teacher will shoot me."
Bullying at school has gone to a whole new level. I can't wait to see where all the cards fall.
And where is the teacher going to wear the gun...on her/his person ...possibly visible...scary for the kids, in a locked desk drawer...that could be forgotten to be locked at some time, in a purse on the lunch table. Sounds really like a false sense of security to me that could result in a disaster! Guns near kids on a daily basis where an accident could happpen to mitigate minimal risk doesn't make any sense to me.
The weapon should stay concealed and the names of which teachers actually are carrying should not be divulged. I think it's a great idea. There is no difference between a police officer and a teacher except for PROPER TRAINING. Train them properly. Most school districts are BROKE. Unless you want your taxes to go up to pay for a single armed guard at the school full time, why not look into teachers who have military background and train them properly? Seems like a pretty reasonable solution to me...
What if the teacher gets an unarmed angry student who attacks her? Does she shoot the unarmed student or allow him to overpower her and take her gun then becomes an armed assailant in the school. Teachers cant be expected to be educators and trained in the hand to hand combat and weapons training to safely carry a gun around the masses.
If a child is within range of a pistol, chances are if a gunman is walking around shooting everyone in sight, a stray bullet from a teacher might strike 1 child, but chances are that child was very likely and many more, to be shot and killed from the undeterred gunman, who has at least 10-15 minutes of free reign until the police arrive. So God Forbid, but say a gunman walking into a classroom, shoots 2 kids but the teacher pulls out her pistol and opens up, killing 2 more students and the gunman. But if the teacher had been unarmed, the gunmen could very easily kill 20+ kids in that classroom, and the next and the next, and the next until police arrive. It stinks either way, but having armed guards and/or teachers is the only way to limit these lunatics unless the government takes a real stance on mental health issues.
if it's FLA, stand your ground, man.
As with the Marines, only the few are qualified to bear arms professionally. A person that is physically weak and timid and has qualms about using a weapon that carries a gun is a danger to themselves and others. A determined, strong individual with a killer instinct can disarm them with ease.
In my opinion, Larry Correia made the best, most comprehensive argument in favor of guns in schools, back in December: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/
He addresses every concern from "untrained" teachers to the fear of accidental shootings, examines the psychology of the mass-shooter, and explains why a few bullets in a few "untrained" hands reduces the innocent-body count. Do yourself a favor and read it.
I don't think the idea is for the teachers to leave the room after the children have been put in a safe place, I think it's more for if the gunman actually manages to get in a classroom the teacher has a way to defend the children instead of all of them being disarmed and killed on the spot like in the Newtown killings. What pains me is that the government has been painting the citzens as untrustworthy with weapons and defending themselves so instead of educating them selves people just think it's easier for the police (who've been shown to be incompetent and handling weapons also) to save them then have Teachers who have gone to a firearms class and have to renew their consealed carry permit every few years. I would rather have my child in a school where I know that teachers are armed and have been trained to use them than in a school with no defense and 1 "security guard" who has probably never even shot his weapon outside of a gun range.
when you say "security guard who has never even shot his gun outside of a shooting range", what exactly do you mean? Where do you think the teachers are practicing? Are you suggesting this experience is inferior? If so, don't you think this whole idea is dangerous?
This is really bad. Are they going to be found culpable of their stupid decisions if a teacher gets mad and shoots his/her students. Can the parents sue the school district if their kids get harmed on account of this decisions. We should change the law so that people can sue politicians also.
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. This is the DUMBEST response to school shootings I've ever heard.
1) More guns in schools merely equals more opportunities for accidents and mischief. We'll see how popular this idea is the first time a kid takes a teacher's weapon and shoots someone with it.
2) Teachers will now become the primary target. Yes, it's slightly better than the kids being the target, but we're talking about teachers becoming targets. What kind of society are we living in where teachers becoming targets is slightly better than current state?
3) Let's also see how popular this idea is after the first teacher flips out on a student and shoots one of them with their school-issued weapon. Don't lie, we've all had a teacher we could picture doing this.
"1) More guns in schools merely equals more opportunities for accidents and mischief. We'll see how popular this idea is the first time a kid takes a teacher's weapon and shoots someone with it."
Last I checked, students are bringing weapons to school and shooting people. No "first time" about it.
Thanks to my concealed weapons permit, I take a Firearm everywhere I can take it with me. I do it to protect if needed. I will never hurt the innocent and will only use it for good. And to all the Good people out there. Get a permit, so you can protect, our police can't be everywhere all of the time.
And for most responsible gun owners who keep bullets away from their locked up guns, neither can your locked and loaded weapon be there for you all the time. Sorry NRA, you don't have a customer in me.
Since all shootings, except Giffords happened in "Gun Free Zones" now the kids WILL be safer. Sorry anti gun flower children, you will have to find some other way to seek your thrills, as news stories of school shootings disappear. Incidentally, just about all of these shootings were performed by Democrats. Maybe we should ban Democrats from owning weapons next?
Shooting of the Congress woman was in a gun free zone. In AZ your not allowed to have a gun in a "congress persons" presence without prior approval.
I sit corrected.
Just wait some kid will find or take his teachers gun, and start blowing away his class mates with her weapon.
The presence of these guns will only increase the odds of kids getting shot.
"Can you afford to have an officer in every school?" Caster said. "It's not in the budget."
What I hear in my head when I read this: "Why pay for the extra services we demand when we can get our staff to do extra duties for free?" Caster is probably right in the sense that a lot of communities would balk at the extra expense. That doesn't make asking teachers to be volunteer deputies right.
Right. You get what you pay for. If you expect a teacher serve as an armed guard with the training to respond properly under pressure in dangerous situations, you would need to pay to have them trained in a way similar to the way real armed guards are trained. Plus, it's extra duty, and they should logically be paid extra for that. Otherwise you'll get cut rate service for a cut rate price.
I foresee a lot more homeschooling of kids, and not just by the fundamentalist wingnuts.
HAHA What a failure this country is turning into. We should also arm the janitors to protect people from disgruntled teachers!
Well when you have a generation of kids that grew up in dysfunctional families headed by the parents came out of the dumbest generation (baby boomers) this country has yet to produce what do you expect to happen to society.
Let's see here..hmmmm..
We get rid of corporal punishment,,,,,,,then bring in the guns..
Yeah, because the paddle just don't cut it.
No worries folks! The really important conservative politico families are home schooling their kids.
So the the good guys will be safe regardless.
I will not consider sending my child to a school where a teacher is armed. In NYC, school safety officers aren't even armed (though at some of the middle & upper schools I can, since they are part of the police dept. justify that, as in some places they are dealing with gang activity). I find this utterly foolish thinking. More guns = more potential for accidents, not less violence. Security, buzzers, doors, alarms, locks maybe– guns– NO!
What a nut job, you must be a democrat. people like you are turning this great country into a politically correct nanny state. You probably think gays are equal too. I can only image the kind of baby you are, your kids will grow up to be pansies for sure.
Well at least the pansies will be able to spell and construct a logical, grammatically-correct sentence, all of which seem to challenge you and quite possibly your seed!!
What if the armed teacher turn to be sicko?
great point these educators are members of teacher unions...
If someone is a sicko they wouldnt follow the law either way would they? its like saying well i nut case wont kill because its already illegal.
This is THE MOST LIKELY scenario we'll see happen once you arm teachers. A depressed, deranged or psychotic teacher will just lose it one day and watch out. More guns in schools will only cause more death. I don't have the answer, but let's not create school environments conducive to a shootout at the OK-Corrall.
If guns make us safe then we are the safest country on earth.
In a way, yes. What nut would attempt to invade the country where there are 3x more armed citizens than military personnel? You cannot deny that it's an excellent trump card to any would be invader.
Right.....and the invasion of our country would be deterred because our citizens are armed. Dude, any foreign army on our soil will have to wear biohazard or radiation gear for a very long time and that means that most of the 'armed citizens' are already long dead. Weapons are a mindset, not a necessity. Stop trying to justify them.
That's using your head, America. Now we can have shoot-outs in our schools between the teachers and the nut cases.
You can't be recognized as a policy-maker in this country unless your head is shoved so far up your a** that no one knows which end their talking to.
Burglars are afraid to break into a house if someone is home and has a gun. Robbers are afraid to take you on if you're armed. A full-blown psychotic could care less if they're facing an entire brigade. They'll wade right in and take as many as they can, armed or not. Leave it to a bunch of witless clucks to think that teachers parading around with sidearms is going to deter what has been taking place. Children are already faced with difficulties navigating life in a country where guns are as accessible as chewing gum and where men love men who love women that love women all parading in the street for the rights of men who become women. Now they have to be suited in kevlar and dodge bullets on the way to class.
So rather than having a shootout between a teacher and a nutcase, you'd rather have the nutcase walking around shooting unarmed children?
That's using your head, John.
NEWS FLASH – THERE ALREADY WAS A FIREFIGHT. The only problem was, only one side was shooting.
In every single case where a mass shooter has been confronted by armed resistance, casualties were SIGNIFICANTLY lower.
Our way, the teacher has a firefight with the nutcase.
Your way, the nutcase walks around totally unopposed, and kills 20 children, before ARMED POLICE finally arrive.
Maybe a couple children die from collateral damage. Maybe the teacher kills the nutcase, maybe not. But every second spent in a firefight is one second the nutcase isn't shooting children in the head. There is no possible scenario you can propose where stray bullets will produce more casualties than an armed killer intent on shooting people roaming unopposed.
"guns are as accessible as chewing gum"
Nothing you've said has any credibility whatsoever. Your entire post is rendered invalid by these ridiculous exaggerations.
No, it's better to be unarmed and plead for your life before the gunman. After all, they are rational human beings, right?
You lost me after "chewing gum." If you and your ilk are so concerned about the private loving affairs of your fellow Americans, ostensibly because of some religious dictate, then why is the equally important dictate of said religion, Thou shalt not kill, suddenly persona non grata, expired, passe', void, out of fashion, overruled, etc in this frenzy to see how many instruments of killing we can pack into every facet of this "christian nation?" Gee, I wonder what caliber Jesus would pack?
Since we all know guns don't kill, PEOPLE kill,
How bout we start arming ROBOTS to kill the guns?
That way, PEOPLE are protected !
Klaatu barada nikto
As long as I don't have to pay property taxes any longer because I don't want my kid being in such an environment...but since I do, this is a horrible idea.
Why don't we just skip the middlemen and arm the students? That would certainly put an end to bullying on the playground and cutting in line at the cafeteria. How are we going to select which teachers are armed? Aren't we going to have to arm the school bus drivers as well? And what about the coaches who take the kids to other schools? Will teachers packing heat be allowed into the local art musem when the class goes on a field trip?
Nice logical thinking.
I was being illogical on purpose in order to point out the lunacy of arming teachers and where it could lead.
The NRA got what they wanted. More gun sales and bigger profits for the gun manufacturers.
Oh boy, nothing bad can come of this I'm sure.
I am so glad I don't have a kid in school in school or anything to hide on my phone or internet activity. This country has gone mad, and most likely, won't even exist within another generation or two. Thankfully, I will be dead by then.
You said it Charlie
I think you nailed. their used to be a Qin Dynasty, a Roman Empire, an Ottoman Empire, a British Empire and soon you can add the USA to that extinction list in about 50 to 75 years, and what a miserable fall from grace it will be. I guess, in the end, we'll find out who was right all along: The right wing nut jobs or the liberal weenies!!! I just feel bad for my kids and grandchildren, that's all. They'll probably be factory laborers for China in the end......
There are people on here who say that you need an extensive amount of training, hours, experience to be able to handle a gun. While many of these people are pro-gun people touting their gun prowess and also honesty, I don't disagree with you.
But I have a 40+ hour a week job and two little kids. When in the world am I (or a teacher no less) have TIME to devote to gun safety training? If it can't reasonably be done by a normal hard working person whose hobby is NOT shooting, then how can we expect it to be done properly by someone with better/other things to do with their time? Answer: it can't.
That's why we leave it to people who do this for a living. That's how our society works. Someone delivers the mail, someone teaches the kids, someone drives the bus, someone picks the corn, why can't we leave public safety to the experts or at least expect more of them???
Police officers normally only train 2 times a year. They are less trained than the average gun owner.
Last year 5 children at my kids' elementary school were attacked by a mentally deranged schoolyard supervisor. This woman had a police check and came out clean. If she would have had a gun, many children would have died. This schoolyard supervisor tried to suffocate the little kids instead. Fortunately, all of the kids survived in our instance. I will not have my kids attend any school where teachers or other employees have guns. The risk of accidental shooting or shooting by a deranged employee is much higher than the risk of a stranger coming in off the street and shooting children.
You are absolutely right. Security cameras throughout the school would have helped far better because security people could see what was happening and go help.
Take a closer look at your schools – a *lot* of schools have had armed staff "resource officers" for many, many years...
In all that time, how many children have been killed by those armed staff? Does the term "zero" mean anything to you? Give it some thought, do some research, and get back to me.
I don't know if you are referring to me (Vinster76), but if you are, you are in no position to educate me. about anything....For anyone, anywhere to look at us as a race of people during the last 40 years and not conclude something is desperately wrong with our collective soul, is either ignorant, under the influence, or pardon me, just plain stupid.....
never in my life would I have expected this day to come. America, we need to look deep within our country's soul, and ask where we have gone wrong. We are on a wrong path, folks......
A rule against having a gun on school property does not help as a deranged teacher or school employee intending to do harm would simply ignore the rule. So it does not do anything to protect the children. Thankfully in your school the deranged person did not use a gun (or knife) and the children survived. But in Newton guns were not allowed on school premises – we all know that this did not stop the shooter.
How to ensure the extinction of our species in ten easy lessons.
This should be a district or school level decision. There are some communities where this would be great, and teachers responsible enough to handle it and others where the teachers could not handled it. Local communities is where the decisions belong.
This is a recipe for disaster. Stronger security systems in schools. plus security people with hidden guns (so the kids don't get upset), would be far better.
P.S. The kids wouldn't have to bring guns to school to shoot people. All they would have to do is attack the teacher and get the teacher's gun and start shooting. I'm for a total weapons ban except for law enforcement personnel.
Not taking away my guns and rights honey....and that will work about as well as prohibition!
My kids don't get upset at guns. They have been shooting since they were 5 years old, and shoot better than 85% of most adults that I know.
This is really bad. Now we have the Saturday Special Ed Teacher!
I meant to say Saturday Night Special ...ED Teacher
As a "Special Ed" teacher, I can appreciate the difference.
The country is ill!
Don't stop at arming teachers. Arm all the kids as well. Instead of teaching them to read, teach them to load and shoot a gun. Provide helmets and body armor, because we know some kids don't always listen to what they are being taught.
There is no safe place in the classroom to keep a gun. Anybody who thinks so, has not spent a lot of time in a classroom. Who will be held responsible when a student gets hold of the gun and shoots others? It is definitely time for me to retire.
I remember taking a rifle to school for hunter safety courses, and groups of us going out to the firing range afterwards.
I remember high-school students with rifles in thire cars or the gun racks in their trucks at the start of hunting season, and no-one raising an eyebrow.
Yet somehow, today, even the mention of the word "gun" is enough to get a kid suspended.
It's truly and deeply sad.
Gun should be kept on the teacher. Doesn't do a teacher any good if a gun enters and the teacher's gun is locked up in gun case in some cabinet across the room. The program should require that the weapon is concealed and maintained on the teacher at all times.
Gun should be kept on the teacher. Doesn't do a teacher any good if a nut with a gun enters the room and the teacher's gun is locked up in gun case in some cabinet across the room. The program should require that the weapon is concealed and maintained on the teacher at all times.
Teachers should not be armed period. It will be only matter of time before a small female teacher feels threatned and shoots a large child.
What a sad state of affairs when people think teachers in schools should be armed, says something about your society does it not? To the idiot who says teachers in Israel have weapons, think about it. Israel is subject to terrorist attacks. Lets look at the problem. Most of these crazys who do mass shootings are loners and depressed. Where's the parents responsibility to get them help? Police officers are highly trained in firearms and how to deal with stressful situations. A teacher who takes a few gun lessons is nowhere near as trained as a police officer. Considering the gun viloence in the U.S. compared to other so called developed countries is a disgrace. More guns is not the solution.
Bet now that the teachers are gonna have guns, bet their evaluations will never be anything negative...Now thet aint gong to have to worry about stupid things like tenor and seniority for promotions and bad evaluations he he
If this is forced legislation it will be, in the logical sense, no different than nanny state laws that the DFL is so intent on slamming through....so good luck aligning under the "smaller government" banner in the future. Then again, the GOP has crapped the bed on literally every other primary platform item they cling to so this would just be in the spirit of being thorough I guess.
But I for one won't fight you on this other than to remind you of this choice EVERY single time it backfires. Every teacher that flips, every kid that gets to the gun first, every missed opportunity to be Rambo. I, and many others, will be there to remind you it isn't working like you said it would.
Now, we are all aware of your pentient for revisionist history, if you even admit there is such a thing in the first place. The fact remains.
And to be absolutely clear – I 100% disagreed with the Assault Weapons ban stuff too. The group espousing prohibition as a failed venture pushed immediately for said method.
From the middle, both teams are looking pretty backwards on this one.
Most of the guys who go on shooting rampages plan to kill themselves anyway. By the time a teacher would pull his or her gun a shooter would have done most of the damages. A teacher would be way too frazzled to shoot properly, even if they are in the right area. I would imagine this might encourage more psychos to go on shooting rampages because now the teachers with guns are like a challenge, a target if you will.
I find it amazing that the tables are turned. Right after Sandy Hook there was an outcry for banning assault weapons (which by the way civilians can't buy anyway, unless they were manufactured prior to 1986), stricter regulations on the sale of guns, stricter this, stricter that.
Now the tables turn, and the liberals cry foul. Welcome home, time to eat some of the same cake you've been trying to serve the gun lovers of America.
I am a gun lover, but quite frankly I do believe this is going to far. I would agree to say having the Principle, Vice Principle and office secretary armed but not all teachers in a school. Also for those that say that teachers won't have enough training to handle a situation like this, I pose to you the fact that if teachers were armed these situations wouldn't occur at all. Crazy people target schools BECAUSE they are gun free zones, and they know they will not be contested so they can get a large body count. Once you add signs outside the school, "Teachers armed, intruders shot, survivors shot again." I bet that will be the end of mass shootings at schools.
wherever there are guns, there is trouble and death follows trouble. You can bet on it.
If that were true we have double the amount of firearms in the usa since 20 years ago and many more carry permits but gun crime is down 60 percent. Most places with higher gun ownership have lower gun crime than cities where guns are banned.
Madness. If you arm teachers to protect against potentially deranged students you have to then arm the students to protect against potentially deranged teachers.
Did you even think this through? Some arbitrary "gun free zone" sign on the front door didn't stop Newtown.
That's what "other teachers" are for.
I'm going to laugh the first time: 1) A teacher comes in and starts blowing away the students because they have a bad day. 2) A teacher that blows away an unruly student that they feel "threatened" by. 3) A teacher doesn't secure the gun properly and a student gets a hold of it and blows away students and teacher. 4) [This is not that bad] A teacher threatens to shoot a kid because they are acting up.
What I'm truly expecting to see is a kid get a hold of the teacher's gun.
So, the people you "trust" with giving your child a non-partisan, quality education cannot be entrusted with the the safety of your child? What sense does that make? As if they are incapable of learning how and when to properly use a firearm, but are somehow MORE than capable of retaining the requisite knowledge required to educate your children. That's rich!
That logic is so flawed I don't know where to begin. Only seriously disturbed people would do that...and they can go buy a handgun in most states and be home with it in 48 hours. And most people already own guns and this never happens (probably one in 40 million or something if you looked at the actual statistic of gun rampages vs number of school days in the past 100 years).
What! Cops can't even protect us half the time and often misuse their power/firearm and now we want to arm the individuals who are trained to teach children. This will introduce more problems like: "teacher shoots child because they felt threatened" or "Teacher was sleeping with student and shot his girlfriend" or "student takes teachers gun and shoots up school"...Teachers are not protectors they are teachers. People will still die if someone walked into a school with bad intentions. So what happens when the teacher accidentally shoots kids when aiming for bad guy? Police are trained not to shoot in public; now we plan on training teachers, and giving them trauma therapy, PTS...come on with the reactive solutions.
That teacher needs to go out and get some sun before her next gun lesson. She looks like she doing an impersonation of Dirty Harry. Do you feel lucky, punk? Not a chance.
I didn't the republican politicians actually attended schools, judging by the results that is.
Judging from your sentence structure, I would assume you missed a lot of school.
Easy for you to say.
I can type faster than discus can keep up. It doesn't do "N Key rollover" very well. That's why so many gun owners can post here.
Well these posts are very interesting with everyone trying to ram there beliefs and ways of living down each others throat. I live in a free country where I am able to think as I please Seems as thought forum where people think the are superior in thought process then to just accept that some people have different ways of thinking. Don't the call it 'Diversity"? Hello
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So they shut these guys up by staging shootings by their children? Makes perfect sense.
what's the percentage of teachers are liberal democrats??? sounds like a set up
How about we educate people on the proper use and storage of guns and maybe you might see a change in things. In most cases with gun related deaths in children its because the parents didn't lock the gun up like they are suppose to. And it is left loaded and laying around for anyone to grab. Also mental health is a huge issue in the mass killings. No gun law strict or not is going to keep a mentally ill person from killing. If people would make mental health such a stigma then maybe more people would get help for their issues and that of their children and not feel like some outcast because their child has issues beyond their control. Its people exactly like you all criticizing these teachers wanting to arm themselves who make someone with a mental health issue feel like an outcast, therefor not getting help they need for fear of being made fun of or shut out of normal situations. How about we all grow up and start trying to find a real solution that is going to work and no I'm sorry but stricter gun laws aren't going to do it.
There are courses on the proper use and storage of nuclear weapons too.
Yeah that's going to keep a deranged nutcase from going crazy or getting their hands on a gun(or other weapon for that matter.) What they need to teach is how to minimialize the casualties as much as possible, not to unrealistically(key word) stop crazy incidents from happening all together. Trying to ban guns(weapons and violence in general) is like trying to ban drugs. Yes you get a lot of people to stop because it is "illegal," but people still do drugs to a HUGE DEGREE don't they? There is a reason for that, it's because it's impossible to control everybody unless you want to be North f**ing Korea. : D
I'm not opposed to teachers having guns, but why dont they have armed security like some schools already have? My concern is that sensitive teachers may shoot a student unjustified. Will it be on there person? Will the students become hesitant to approach their teacher about a concern, if they feel threatened? I want my kid to be protected, but I just dont want them shot by a teacher who can't handle the stresses of the job any longer. I think the problem is the security that the schools do have, are untrained, unprofessional and do not know how to handle a crisis situation.
Anyone that carrys a gun must have strong self-control and courage; the timid should not be armed. As Vince Lombardi said, "You have to be in top physical shape. Fatigue makes cowards of us all." As a group, the average age of teachers is probably in the 40s. They are not usually physically imposiong individuals. Fear can make one fatigued without the involvement of physical exertion. Most can likely be disarmed easily by a strong sociopath.
So first day of class with an armed teacher:
Hello my name is Mr Smith. I'm armed and licensed to kill. Any questions?
excellent. May be put Chuck Norris in every classroom
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