Utah lawmakers vote for abstinence-only sex education
March 13th, 2012
06:09 AM ET

Utah lawmakers vote for abstinence-only sex education

by John Martin, CNN

(CNN) – When I was a senior in the late 1980s, my high school brought in a woman from Planned Parenthood to talk to my health class. I remember her because she had props a condom and a banana. Utah may outlaw lessons like that one very soon. The state's legislature passed a bill mandating that when it comes to sex education, public schools must teach about abstinence, and almost nothing else.

If the bill is signed by Gov. Gary Herbert, Utah's teachers will not be allowed to inform students about contraceptives, "the intricacies of intercourse," homosexuality, or sexual activity outside of marriage. The bill says teachers would have to inform students that, "abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases." Teachers would still be allowed to provide instruction on male and female physiology and anatomy, as well as health issues like AIDS/HIV. The proposed law does allow schools one other option: not to teach anything about sex at all.

According to CNN affiliate KSL, the bill's sponsor, Utah state Rep. Bill Wright, said that he believes sex education shouldn't be taught in the classroom; he says that kind of instruction should take place in the home. Wright says he decided to change existing sex education laws after seeing instructional materials provided by Planned Parenthood that he viewed as inappropriate. The proposed bill mandates that Utah schools must use approved abstinence-only curriculum materials for sex education instruction.

The Utah Education Association – a teacher's union – and the Utah Parent Teacher Association are urging the governor to veto the bill. A state senator opposed to the bill said that schools need to teach young people about sex because parents might not address the topic at home. Critics of the bill point to a 2007 study of abstinence classes that found no difference in the abstinence rate between students who took the class and students who did not.

An online petition has garnered more than 35,000 signatures, asking the governor to veto the bill.

Current Utah law stresses abstinence, but teachers can currently provide contraceptive instruction. In addition, parents can decide whether their children will receive sex education. According to the Salt Lake Tribune, very few parents in Utah's largest school districts opt out of these kinds of lessons for their children.

The bill is on Herbert's desk, but there has been no indication yet whether the governor will sign or veto the bill. A spokeswoman for the governor's office said that he has received thousands of calls, e-mails and letters on both sides of the issue. The governor has said his decision will reflect the best policy for Utah, not necessarily public opinion.

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  1. UtahResident

    Full Disclosure: I live in Utah, was raised here, and am not Mormon. It is quite unfortunate that this kind of stuff hits the press and that our legislature pulls this kind of nonsense. Utah was one of the few states that did not go through a horrible time with the recession. Yes, we had unemployment but the State could pay its bills without massive, hemorrhaging cuts. We have few unfunded mandates and if we don't have the money, we just don't do it. This is because our legislature is sensible and responsible. Then they write this kind of idiot law, and we look like a bunch of wingnuts.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  2. Alex

    OMG, looks like I've been black-listed by the Omniscient One. I'm going to cry.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Alex

      My previous, unpublished text was more moderate.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  3. Jokesterer

    What happened to the banana?

    March 13, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Sherri

      Here's another state full of idiots. Abstinence only sex ed has been shown to be a failure. Have they not read any of the studies? It does not work. And if you deny teens the knowledge to prevent pregnancy, they will end up with a ton of unwanted children. But, what do we expect of a state that looks the other way at plural marriages – which by the way have been illegal for over a hundred years? Young girls being forced into marriages with (much) older men? Remember this is a predominantly Mormon state. Remember that when you vote for Romney. THIS is what he believes. Just tell the teens to say 'no'. That will work. Yeah, right.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  4. Edgar X

    Conservatives have finally invented a time machine. They designed to only go backwards.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  5. Horus

    Really Utah? Come on. Abstinence is only effective if you abstain. That's asking teens coming of age to ignore their most primal of instincts. It's completely naiive. In the words of George Michael: Sex is NATURAL, sex is fun...

    March 13, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  6. N

    Ignorance is always the best policy.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  7. sftommy

    Here comes a decade or two of unwed mothers to Utah. Historically a lack of education leads to unwanted babies which leads to abortion, child neglect, abuse, etc. Education always works better to achieve a goal than lack of education or dogmatic ideology. Utah governor wants his people to suffer and learn that lesson all over again, I pity them that experience.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  8. art

    Mormons scare me

    March 13, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • AC

      Uhhh... You do realize that a high percentage of Utah is not mormon. In Salt Lake City they are not even the majority.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • Ben

        70% of Utahans are LDS. I don't think the 30% who aren't count as a "large percentage".

        March 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
      • Penny

        Yeah, saying that SLC has less than 50% Mormons isn't a swaying argument. It's still a huge percentage and to pretend this doesn't have a HUGE effect on politics is ridiculous.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
  9. Horus

    Really Utah? Come on. Abstinence only works if you actually abstain; which is asking teens as they come of age to ignore their most primal of instincts. To supress urges that they do not fully understand (and will understand less thanks to less education). This has to be one of the dumbest clock-reversing ideas I've heard in, well today anyway. I see this as a path not just to more unwanted pregnancies, but more sexual assualt cases as well. It's time to embrace sexuality as part of who we are as human beings. To quote George Michael: Sex is natural, sex is good.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  10. Patrick

    Sounds like they believe if they ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist then the problem will go away. Yeah, good luck with that

    March 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Alex

      Patrick: Amen to that! Abstinence-only didn't work in our northernmost state, as I recall. Education usually works; acting like and ostrich can bring you some unexpected blessings. I bet Mormons have the same attitude about alternative lifestyles: what I ignore doesn't exist. Yeah, right.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • mjinmd

      Gee, Patrick, this sort of sounds like the sex education I had when I was a teenager (many, many years ago). Didn't work then; won't work now.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  11. nothanksimdriving123

    The only proven 100 percent effective way to avoid the tragedy of motor vehicle accidents is to never, ever ride in or drive a vehicle. Our school driver's education classes should teach our impressionable young ones only that they should never, ever drive a car for personal "needs" outside of their driveways at home, after they are married.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Ivan

      Beautiful. Thank you for posting that

      March 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
      • nothanksimdriving123

        Quite welcome. Glad you liked! 🙂
        By the way, I met some Dutch teens a few years back. They told me they learn all about sex and contraception at school in a matter of fact, no mystery way, and no surprise, they still don't all jump into bed together and their unwanted pregnancy rate is much lower than ours.

        March 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  12. neotnec

    Ignorance is never a good idea. Why are people so opposed to educating their children about contraception? Just because you explain how to prevent pregnancy does not mean you are encouraging sexual activity. You are educating your child on human reproductive matters. It's called "being informed".

    March 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  13. Ray Ferguson

    I think many of the comments posted are a good snapshot of how things reach impasse. Hurling insults, either at the state, or each other don't get you down to the substantive work of fixing issues. Utah is a state with many equity related issues but by no means is it alone. Republicans do not have total ownership of "backward" thinking as many put it. As parent, do I agree with the legislatures decision? No. However, I whether it is taught in school or not that does not remove my responsibility from teaching my child about sex. My question is how will we problem solve this? Beyond writing and calling the governor, will we research how each of our legislators voted? Will we vote out those who put this into play? Will we engage in a public outreach to teach what is missing in the schools? Complaints and insults solve nothing.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • steven Harnack

      Then give us an example of "backward" Democratic thinking. How else can you react to such blind stupidity? Such a jaw-dropping ability to ignore centuries of accumulated knowledge. Such blind nerve to destroy lives.

      March 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  14. Kunst

    Abstinence-only indoctrination doesn't work. But that doesn't matter, because the real issue is that the proponents are anti-sex and it fits with their emotional needs.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  15. Republican View

    Down here in Alabama they are considering a possible bill outlawing any sexual activity outside of marriage. If a girl has a baby, both she and the father could be charged.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
  16. Kevin S

    How irresponsible, you can't "legislate" morality nor can you "legislate" that kids not have sex. Now your medicare costs and teen pregnancy rates will sky rocket, congratulations.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  17. Patriot 1775

    Why is PP the only organization that can talk about sex? Their overall agenda is death of the unborn in pursuit of money. Let religious organization present "an opposing view," to include realistic depictions of abortions. Then let's see where things go. Information is great from PP, but banned from everywhere else. Hypocrites.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • steven Harnack

      A better question would be why is it that PP is the only organization that is willing to talk about sex? And just saying "don't do it" is NOT talking about sex. Why does reality scare you so badly? Isn't your sky pilot supposed to be protecting you?

      March 13, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • sqeptiq

      Nice reiteration of a Republican talking point; now, try some reality.

      March 13, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
  18. Rod in Dallas TX

    This will never work. Don't they know that when you tell a teenager NOT to do something, that is exactly what they are going to do! The best way is to educate them on the importance of staying safe if they do find themselves in this situation. There's gonna be A LOT of pregnant teens in Utah!

    March 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • DPCFOH

      There already are, and most of them are already married.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  19. nomad

    Whoever is for this bill has missed the most important part of learning. The more available information, the better the education. Informed decisions are always better than uninfomed decisions.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  20. Xman

    I went to Catholic and Christian grade schools and high school. It wasn't until I went to a public university that the world shifted into clear view, free from obsessive control and fear/paranoia that private institutions had pulled over my eyes and ears as a kid. That said, realize I am not anti-religion, but rather anti-control.

    Now I see this article, and it's about Utah, a state filled with crazy Mormon cultists. Without delving into the many defects and nonsense that this cult fills its naive and gullible members, I am reminded how "religion" certainly can be the "opiate of the masses". I learned that although I love knowing and believing in God, or some form of higher power above myself, it is more up to my decision, mine alone, to determine what that means. It is NOT up to teachers, ministers, and especially government to force their doctrine over my children, especially in public schools. Utah is fundamentally violating this, and they should have instead listened to parents and what they collectively want for their kids, not the other way around. Mormons, their crazy and ridiculous beliefs aside, have no business in the public school curriculum, and should keep their saintly nonsense confined to the walls of their temples.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  21. John

    big mistake. unfortunately, the world no longer works the way that conservatives and hyper religious people want it to. teens are having sex, and in those situations, the more kids know, the better prepared they are.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  22. fletc3her

    I think it's a matter of picking your battles. The drive to prevent teenagers from having sex altogether is one you simply can't win. But, I think you can help ensure that when they do have sex they will do it in a responsible way. The goal should be to eradicate teen pregnancy and STDs.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
  23. Rick

    After reading the discussions posted on this commentary it looks as if the morals of the country have come close to 0%. It would seem that Utah and many of those living within the state are the only ones wanting to make a change for the better concerning the low moral status of America.

    Maybe if we talked more about abstinence and less about of creative ways to get laid without causing pregnancy, then we wouldn't have to worry about paying for contraception for others. We might also be able to turn around spiraling birth rate of unwanted children because somebody was too horny to put on their condom, or forgot to take their pill.

    Where has America gone? Headed down the wrong path and looks like it maybe to far already. God help us all!!!

    March 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • socalkim

      Rick, did you have sex ed in school, or did you read a book on your honeymoon? Or do you believe the Catholic view that God gives you babies and you can't say no. Sex ed serves responsible, married families and kids who don't have sex before marriage. You're hearing from one.

      March 13, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  24. PeteTX

    Stupid non-Christians. What would you expect from Mormons?

    March 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • RightCoastVA

      This kind of bass ackwards law is red meat for 'christians' or does that not even compute for you? I'd expect this kind of stupidity from the South, but am disappointed to see it out of my home state.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
      • Chris

        "I'd expect this kind of stupidity from the South, but am disappointed to see it out of my home state."

        And you are talking about others being stupid?

        March 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Rick

      Sounds like you're a non-Christian also, if your don't believe in abstinence. Maybe you should read the Bible sometime. It talks about both abstinence, and being judgemental.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
      • Howie

        Go forth and multiply....yeah, I can see where you get abstinence out of that.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
      • sqeptiq

        What did Jesus say about abstinence?

        March 13, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • LostinSLC

      Pete, before you continue to look like an ignorant red neck you should understand 99% of this state does not support this bill. Since half of the state is Mormon would that not beg to say most of them do not support it as well?

      March 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
      • steven Harnack

        Then how did it pass both houses of the legislature? Apparently then, you people don't have very much to say about what happens in your state.

        March 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
  25. Jack

    I'd like to see my state pass a law that a prerequisite for admission to our state universities/colleges that all students pass a Sex Ed class that is not abstinence only. We in our state should not need to pay for the backwards thinking of Utah.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  26. dick

    Is this still 2012? I can't believe how common sense does not apply when religion comes into play.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • nomad

      Very well said.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • doughnuts

      According to Heinlein's "Future History", 2012 is the year Nehemiah Scudder was elected president, and took the country into a century-long theocracy.

      Funny how life can imitate art.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  27. trish

    Awesome idea!!! I totally support this bill. I don't think teens have ANY problem understanding sex. Historically sex was not taught in schools and there were a lot LESS teen pregnancies. Maybe we should at least TRY a generation with this idea and see if it works before we decided if its a stupid idea or not. Lay off on calling mormons backwards, they have a lower teen sexuality rate then any other religion AND they teach abstinance. So maybe they have something there.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Adam

      Why we're trying things for a generation or so, can we try taxing churches for a generation?

      March 14, 2012 at 10:05 am |
  28. Pan3

    OMG! One giant step backwards in Utah!

    March 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • dick

      They have always been backwards

      March 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  29. pat

    Why are they telling students that sex before marriage is wrong?

    March 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  30. Vader

    Abstinence is but ONE method of birth control, but certainly not the only one, and as such, is appropriate to include in any curricula relating to reproduction. To exclude ALL other methods of contraception in the same context is irresponsible, at best, given the track record of teenagers for impulse control.

    How many of my tax dollars will have to go to support the inevitable increase in unwed teen mothers and their offspring?

    March 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • blah9999

      Abstinence is the only form of contraception that's 100% effective and 0% fun

      March 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
      • Jesus H.

        My mother was abstinent... so it isn't 100% effective.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
      • Todd in DC

        Guess what, even abstinence isn't 100% effective. Many STDs can be spread without the peni$ touching the v@gina. Also, a woman could get pregnent if semen so much as touches the labia.

        It's not very common, but it is possible. But of course, right winger nutcases don't think people need to know that.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  31. blah9999

    S E X is only for making babies. nothing else. Having s e x for any other reason is a sin against God.

    *insert massive sarcasm here*

    March 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  32. pat

    What gives the state of Utah the right to determine that sex before marriage is wrong? Or that sex for the sole purpose of pleasure is wrong? These are value judgments that should be left to an individual to decide. Sometimes I think these people treat scripture as fact, when it is not.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  33. Freddo

    Well, they are correct in stating that abstinence is the only way to eliminate exposure to STDs. No sex, no STD.

    But they're idiots for believing that playing ostrich will solve anything. Kids will experiement with sex – they're living in a fantasy world if they think they won't.

    But the bottom line is ... I don't want schools teaching my kids about sex ed – that's MY job. They can take their morality agendas and shove it.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
  34. Dorota

    I don't know what will be the results of this bill, but as far as I know, abstinence and fidelity ARE 'the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases' and unintended pregnancy. The rest is either not as effective as its producers say or it damages your health.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Ol' Yeller

      Well, that's funny... I was abstinent before marriage and practiced fidelity... but apparently my wife didn't and brought me home some chlamydia.
      There are so many self righteous, I'm-better-than you folks out there who think they know what is best for everyone. Gimme' a break!

      March 13, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
      • blah9999

        Oh Snap!! Dump that chick!

        March 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
      • RightCoastVA

        Bitter much? You think sex ed would have kept her home?

        March 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
      • Dorota

        By 'fidelity' I mean 'mutual fidelity' of course. To put it bluntly (please, don't take it personally!), some men are faithful to one prostitute... and that's not 'fidelity'.

        March 15, 2012 at 5:06 am |
    • Sarah Palin

      You Betchya'!
      Just ask my daughter!

      March 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • joe

      By that argument then not driving always prevents death and injury in a car wreck and not eating always prevents food poisoning

      March 13, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
      • Dorota

        Or the other way round: If you get into a car or eat something you are aware of what can happen but you still do it. I hope that most of people having sex take into account possible consequences.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Well Duh

      So lets ignore the methods that are what 99.9% effective.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • Dorota

        Yes, some are like 90%-99% effective at the expense of the woman's health. She can have sex and not get pregnant. And when some years later she wants to have a baby she's in trouble.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  35. Jack W

    Maybe they should also vote to teach kids to spell stupid U-T-A-H.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
  36. harrison

    Hence why you have a mormon only welfare system. If you look at te list of highest states in teen pregnancy you should notice that they are almost all RED states with the exception of California and maybe New Mexico. Got to hand it to the mormons when they marry their teen age victims though

    March 13, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • RightCoastVA

      Something tells me you live in Utah...Only a bitter angry person that has somehow been 'wronged' by the man would spout such vile garbage.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  37. LostinSLC

    For those of us that live here in Utah, 99% of us do not support this and have been sending letters and emails to the Governor not to sign this into law.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Ol' Yeller

      Uh... I got an idea... why don't next time 99% of you don't vote for him. While you are at it, why don't you 99% try not voting in neo cons who are trying their gawdawfullest best to take us back to the good ol' Puiritan days.
      Sad fact is is that a majority of your state DOES support this, along with a whole bunch of other crazy ideas.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
      • Buddhist in Utah

        Problem is that its an ultra-red caucus state. Only a handful of "carefully" selected delegates pick the parties' candidates. Then a general election picks the republican one. It's required in state constitution :-).

        March 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
      • Rick

        Ol' Yeller,

        Good name for a horny dog who obviously thinks that our country is marally headed in the right direction. Maybe instead of watching the ball drop at new years we should just have a giant orgy televised from time square. Just make sure that their are plenty of closeups of gay activity going on. We wouldn't want to leave their activities out and be charged for a hate crime. Maybe we could throw in people doing horses and dogs too. That's the way America's morality is headed. God help us all!!!

        March 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
      • Adam

        Rick, your posts are very refreshing. Its like the 1940s are here again.

        March 14, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • CB

      If 99% don't support this, how did these people ever get elected?

      March 13, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  38. Jerry

    Good old Utah, showing they are backwards as ever there.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Davis

      Like the other school of thought has taked us so far forward....pfffft!

      March 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
      • blah9999

        "...taked us further." haha. Yeah...you guys really do need a new school system

        March 13, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
      • Todd in DC

        Sorry Davis, you seriously undermined your own argument.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
      • derp

        "Like the other school of thought has taked us so far forward"

        I guess you never taked an English class?

        March 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • LostinSLC

      Don't lump us all in one basket because of a couple of knuckle draggers. Most of this state does not support this law

      March 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
  39. BillyD1953

    Wow, this is sure to work! I don't see anywhere it can go wrong. If there's one thing that teens have no interest in it's having sex. Yeah, boy, this is one program that's sure to work.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  40. The One Who Knows

    So what's the answer? Everyone has a view but no one has an answer. The first step HAS to be to teach physics.

    Yes, physics. As in cause and effect.

    "If you have sex, THIS is what could happen:", and then lay it out. Pregnancy and teen parenting, STDs, poor reputations, etc, etc, etc. Until science comes up with a way to eliminate the hormones that drives teen desires all the education in the universe will do no good. Until we can instill a sense of good morals into children the education will do no good. As long as kids look toward Twilight and Snooki and Friends with Benefits and other morally bankrupt societal losers as role models, ALL THE EDUCATION WILL DO NO GOOD!

    So what IS the answer?

    March 13, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  41. BillyD1953

    Wow, this is sure to work! I don't see anywhere that it can go wrong. If there's one thing teens have no interest in it's having sex. Yeah, boy, this is guaranteed to be an effective program.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  42. Angel

    as a teen myself, this bill will not change anything. but maybe the pregnancy rate. making us uneducated is just making everything worse. yes, we have a mind of our own and do what we want, but giving the opportunity to see what can happen when we take part in sexual activity helps.

    March 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  43. Allen Whitt

    Butte-e-Full Dreamers
    The folks of the Party wot’s Grand
    Have a house wot’s built on the sand
    ‘Cause inside their minds, ya’can see
    They think the truth’s wot they want it ta’ be!
    –Uncle Ralph

    March 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  44. esoteric1

    Wow another attempt of old people to try and prevent young people for doing exactly what most of them did when they were young...absurd

    March 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • RightCoastVA

      This is exactly what is going on...It isn't some religious power play, it's out of touch old people pushing what they think is best 50 years too late.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  45. hypatia

    Next week, they're going to send a sailing ship to search for the Lost Continent of Atlantis...

    March 13, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Rob

      Why aren't they pushing the most logical green approach? I'm speaking of course of 4 leaf clovers! They replenish themselves by nature, AND, one of these lucky young people just may find a leprechaun nearby and discover a pot of gold!

      March 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • doug

      You joke about this but Mormon theology actually believes that the lost tribes of Israel are hiding somewhere above the arctic circle. Mormons around the turn of the century believed this stuff so much they send arctic expeditions in search of lost civilizations as well as entrances into the interior of the earth (they were also big hollow earth believers).

      March 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
      • RightCoastVA

        Put the tinfoil hat back on douggy...

        March 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
      • trevor

        mormons are so clueless. they all live in some land of make believe...

        March 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
      • Todd in DC

        Actually Trevor, you better not be a bible thumper, otherwise you are being quite hypocritical.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  46. jimranes

    Obviously this fool of a Governor of Utah, has not had much experience with LDS females. Many of them do not "abstain" so the abstinence-only policy may be ineffective. Perhaps they could change the policy to "coitus interruptus" or something similar. Silly is as silly does! Governor, please return to BYU and finish your education and check out the ladies while you're at it. (hint: many are on the pill.)

    March 13, 2012 at 11:53 am |
  47. cronewinter

    There is going to be a lot of pregnant Mormon girls.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  48. Denny

    Another example of why we are supposed to have separation of Church and State. Theocracy, just like Iran. Next we will have laws for "Stoning". Ignorance is not bliss. Women are equal and need to be treated as such. Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves. There are those running for President that believe theodracy needs to be installed on the national level. BEWARE...

    March 13, 2012 at 11:50 am |
  49. Steve

    This is great! I know a couple that's waiting to adopt. This will help them out a lot.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • ellie

      Hey, Steve... is Utah all out of eligible children to adopt? Somehow, I don't think so!

      March 13, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  50. Josh

    I would just like to say that, while I could care less what they teach in the schools, the point is that it's the parents job to teach the kids about sex. Everyone seems to forget that parents are the biggest influence in a kids life and it's their job to teach about sex, not the school. Really they need a bill to tell lazy parents to get off their butts and do their jobs.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:43 am |
  51. Republican View

    Utah should do what they are discussing here in Alabama. Make all sexual activity outside of marriage illegal. If a girl gets pregnant, both her and the baby's father can be charged.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  52. anon

    have any of you ever been to BYU!?? or as I like to say "baby factory" those girls are total freaks in the sac!!! Says the Vandal.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • esoteric1

      "I'M FREE! ....I AM FREE-ee–ee!!! (DA! DUNA! NUNA! NUNA! NUNA!)" the who, Tommy.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  53. Darwin was right

    This whole problem is ALL GOD'S FAULT! If God – if this amusing character actually exists – had not made males so horn ee, then there would no need to worry about girls being lured into sex before marriage. And God, being omnipotent, could with just a snap of his omnipotent fingers, solve this problem right now. I'm waiting!

    March 13, 2012 at 11:33 am |
  54. batteryinme

    Lets all pretend that hormonal surges, normal growth and development, and sexual behaviors are ALL made up and capable of being ignored. Abstinence is not normal or realistic for humans who reach reproductive age. Certainly educating people about what options they have for protection when they decide to engage in sexual behaviors is both intelligent and necessary in a civilized society. The full gambit of options, INCLUDING waiting for a more mature age, should be on the table.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:30 am |
  55. frink

    Governor herbert is a feeb without a college education. He will pander to the reich wing morons in the eagle forum.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • cronewinter

      reich wing..LOL. I will borrow that from you if you don't mind. Very true and funny.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  56. us1776

    Utah, welcome to the 16th century.

    I would never live in Utah, even it you paid me a million dollars.

    Some of the worst child protection laws in the United States.

    A completely backward state government.


    March 13, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • cronewinter

      My dogs and I camp and hike alot and we avoid right wing states like the plague. I'll spend my pennies in states that respect me and all other female citizens. There are things I'd love to see in Utah but I'll never pass through that state or the Dakotas or Kansas or any of the women hating states. They horrify and scare me. I travel alone and the men in these states seem to be very unintelligent and hateful where women are concerned. Bad places that are not civilized.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
      • Mark

        Yes, you and your fellow b–ches can camp elsewhere. It pleases me to know that we won't see you here. As for intelligence, I would have a battle of wits with you any day.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
      • Folkgirl

        Yeah, because we all know that Mormons have healthy conversations about sex with their kids...

        I still hold the LDS (which also equals the Utah state government) responsible for what goes on down in Hildale, UT. How else could that town exist the way it has for so long? Everyone knew what was going on down there, yet it was allowed to continue. Not surprising they are also passing laws that restrict young women of knowing how to protect themselves from church sanctioned perverts.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
      • doughnuts

        Mark, she is too fair-minded to fight a batle against an unarmed opponent.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
      • Mark

        Yes, Doughnuts...I see your point completely...

        I mean, who could deny that she's "fair minded" with comments such as these...

        "I'll spend my pennies in states that respect me and all other female citizens".

        "...but I'll never pass through...the Dakotas or Kansas or any of the women hating states".

        "They horrify and scare me. I travel alone and the men in these states seem to be very unintelligent and hateful where women are concerned".

        "Bad places that are not civilized".

        Just a question Cronewinter....do you have a dog named Doughnuts??? One B–tch deserves another.

        March 13, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
  57. Maimonida

    Kids should know enough about contraception, infections, anatomy to be safe. It will keep number of abortions and teen pregnancies down.
    From the other prospective they must be educated about valuable relation, special bond and love coming first and sex follow this special bond.
    So in a way they need both to be happy in future life

    March 13, 2012 at 11:22 am |
  58. Jim

    Utah is SO backwards, I live here love the mountains and life I have....But when you live in a religious controlled state you are going to get Morons making moronic decisions! Thankfully Park City does not count as part of this crazy right wing lunacy!

    March 13, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • cronewinter

      There are beautiful mountains in many states..come on over to the blue states. We have real people here, you know..the kind that respects women and do not allow some church to control the thoughts of the majority. Leave Utah and be free of the hate..your daughters will thank you.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
      • RightCoastVA

        Be free of the hate?

        The irony of your comment is pure awesome.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
      • Todd in DC

        Sorry RightCoast, but there is no hypocrisy in the above statement. The red states really do hate women, gays, agnostics, and non whites. Or are you saying women don't have the right to abortions (especially in cases of rape), gays don't have the right to marry, and non whites don't have the rights to vote or to walk around without "papers"?

        March 13, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  59. americaisgoingbackwards

    This is too hilarious.

    If you all want this for the entire country then vote for a repubican

    March 13, 2012 at 11:17 am |
  60. SCRISS

    Not too long ago, went to a Mormon church dance. Lots of ladies to dance with – very nice. One gal there I danced was divorced with a kid. Very cute lady. After dancing with her, she told me that she didn't really want anything to do with me – as I'm not a Mormon. OK, that's they way things go. Time for me to move on.

    Eight years later, I see her again, working a minimum wage job at a craft supply store. She now has five kids, the oldest just joined the military and the youngest just out of diapers. She had changed her attitude towards me – wanted to know what I was doing, how things were going, did I have a job, etc.

    I guess some things change over time. I look better to her now (ijust turned 50) than I did then; might have something to do with the fact I have a decent job and less than $40k left on my house mortgage, or maybe I just look like a wallet with feet.

    I look at her now, and I see two things: a) if I wasn't good enough for her four kids ago, I'm not good enough for her now, and b) this abstinence thing the Mormons and other church hipocrites teach – it just doesn't work.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:16 am |
  61. CZ1234

    Do these people realize that it is 2012...the cat is already out of the bag. Kids are going to have sex, we need to teach them to wrap it.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  62. deepworld

    DUMB AND DUMBER!!!. One the same logic solution to obesity is starvation.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Todd in DC

      Well, that literally would work, though there would be some mild side effects.

      March 13, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  63. Jason

    I have seen firsthand the damage that abstinence only sex education can do. Those I know that were subjected to it are woefully ignorant and tend to make foolish decisions in regards to birth control. PS – none of them actually ended up practicing abstinence.

    March 13, 2012 at 11:09 am |
  64. jim

    like I said we've had abstinence sex ed for decades and the numbers are no different than other states'. so what do you care and what does it matter?

    March 13, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  65. Ralph in Orange Park, FL

    As the Mormons say "Breed 'em young".

    March 13, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • jim

      nice, another bigotted remark from someone who probably cries, "BIGOT!"

      March 13, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • I can see Russia from my house

      Abstinence – because it worked so well for Bristol Palin

      March 13, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Jimbo

      VERY TRUE! Backwards religion and state!

      March 13, 2012 at 11:27 am |
  66. Noah

    They should not even worry about having a baby until they are out of collage and they have a job.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Rob


      March 13, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • 757Matt

      Who said they were trying to have a baby?

      March 13, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • yeahalright

      And your point is...what? Because that's exactly the reason for teaching them about contraceptives. So they don't have said baby before they're ready.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:06 am |
  67. Acth

    Why bother teaching about AIDS/HIV then? In the perfect world they live in with no premaritial sex, no infidelity, no same sex relationships this AIDS/HIV wouldn't exist and we can sweep that under the rug too.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:55 am |
  68. 757Matt

    I'm sure we'd all agree that abstinence is the only way to be 100% sure you won't get pregnant or an STD. These kids are going to do what they want, it's how kids operate. Advocate abstinence, and teach safety.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:55 am |
  69. Kris

    Teaching teens abstinence is not going to make them practice abstinence. They will continue to do what teenagers do. Except now they will make even worse decisions, because they were not taught the risks and how to avoid them.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • EW

      Who said they are not taught risks in abstinence training? Do you really believe that class is "Just say no" then move on to algebra class?

      March 13, 2012 at 11:35 am |
      • Angel

        thats what the article is saying.....that they are only going to teach abstinence...

        March 13, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
      • cronewinter

        Raging hormones will win out over abstinence almost every time. Gonna be lots of little girls with big bellies.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
      • Cedar Rapids

        "Utah's teachers will not be allowed to inform students about contraceptives, "the intricacies of intercourse," homosexuality, or sexual activity outside of marriage. The proposed law does allow schools one other option: not to teach anything about sex at all."

        Yep, thats exactly what it says.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
      • Aloisae

        My Catholic grade school and high school taught "abstinence". Probably the most effective part of it was all the education about various contraceptive methods and the potential negative consequences. Honestly, I'm not sure if abstinence was any greater than in the average but only one girl in my high school got pregnant and this was back during the higher teen pregnancy rate 1980s. We didn't have any show and tell instruction on condom use... but we did know the failure rate and what could cause failure as well as with other contraceptive methods and about STDs and the cost and (as far as you can teach such) the emotional demands of a baby. All of this pretty much convinced a certain portion to not become sexually active until they were older (note I'm not saying until marriage.. just not while teenagers) and/or to be very careful about contraceptive methods and usually using more than one method. Talking to kids today (both online and in real life), I'm surprised a bit that the public school kids with the supposedly good sex ed classes seem to think if you use a condom you can't get pregnant/get somebody pregnant or transmit STDs while the kids at my old high school with pretty much the same abstinence classes I had can quote you comparative efficacy rates of various forms of contraceptives, what can cause contraceptive failure, how effective different types of condoms are at reducing the spread of STDs and what activities can transmit STDs even when using a condom etc. So ironic.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  70. I think Abstinence should be stressed as the best option...

    ... but not the only option. There is something to be said for the really low abortion rates in Utah, they are doing something right.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Spinner49


      March 13, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Johnny

      But what is the teenage pregnancy rate?

      March 13, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • AM

      Utah is also the state with the highest birth rate. Just because they aren't having abortions doesn't mean they are doing something right. It just means they like having babies, lots of babies. And with so many kids and stuff you would hope that they would have better schools. Not only do they have bad schools, they wanted to reduce high school by 1, even 2 years.
      Have you ever been to Thanksgiving point on Two Dollar Tuesday? If you have, you can definitely see the reason to teach about birth control. Learning about contraception and safe sex is not only for teenagers to learn about, but it's something that they can take into a relationship or marriage. Being able to plan a family for when you are ready is better for everyone in the end.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • D

      Tell that to the Lost Boys

      March 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  71. Kaitlyn

    Teenagers should just worry about school. You should have a child when you are out of collage.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Lol

      maybe you should stop posting as multiple people...and spell check is your friend.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • yeahalright

      Hey wow you solved it! Teenagers are so well known for doing what they should.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:07 am |
      • Todd in DC

        And who puts a teenager in a collage anyway?

        March 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  72. Archived

    I feel bad for the kids once they get to college. There are going to be so many naive freshman that it's just going to end poorly. Get ready for a slew of Utah babies.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:49 am |
  73. freeme10

    Isn't it time that the Department of Education just mandates common-sense education in this regard. Teaching abstinence only? Doesn't this seem like something the Taliban would do? (granted, the Taliban does far worse things)

    March 13, 2012 at 10:48 am |
  74. patricia gutta

    This is just one more example of deciding to legislate based on your subjective "beliefs". If you throw facts, and science out, we can go back to believing the world is flat and the center of the universe. These people make me very tired, and I feel sorry for the children they keep uneducated.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:47 am |
  75. jim

    In an attempt to cure your ignorance..

    Utah has had abstinance only education since I can remember (i'm 26). and as the article said: abstinence rates are no different. So it works as well (or as worse) as comprehensive sex ed. So why do you care? oh thats right you just want to belittle and defame....

    Any level headed person would recognize that PARENTS need to teach sex ed to their children anyway. If parents don't want to teach it they should do one of 2 things:

    2) Take the extra step (it's difficult cuz we already know how irresponsible you are) and enroll your kid in an extracurricular comprehensive sex ed class.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:45 am |
  76. EldRick

    Utah and its state religion are a bunch or ignorant clods.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  77. PraiseTheLard

    Well, abstinence "education" sure worked well for the Palin family...

    March 13, 2012 at 10:43 am |
  78. Big Jilm

    So, what about people who get married or are planning to marry soon? Do they just magically get an education about sexuality and birth control options once they say "I do" or do they get a pamphlet? Don't tell me you assume that only unmarried/non-monogamous people use condoms?

    March 13, 2012 at 10:39 am |
  79. Chris

    This bill is nothing new. Ten years ago they were teaching abstinence. This is merely the legal system removing any ability for a rogue school board to deviate from the social norm. Majority of the school districts more than likely always taught abstinence and never considered a change. Granted I have been out of high school, and the state, for over a decade. While the social norms are different, I do want that Utah does have some wonderful people and is a beautiful state. By the way, I am not Mormon.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:39 am |
  80. jim collins

    I will not hire people from these backward areas or if by law I have to I just wont put them in positions which require critical thinking.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • Derp

      Hopefully you do not have a job that involves critical thinking. Not hiring someone simply because they come from region X demonstrates your own close minded and backward thinking.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:37 am |
      • Mark

        Nah, it just demonstrates he's a dumb-a$$.

        March 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Duh

      So...you fault the majority vote in a state for something you dislike so much that you're willing to break employment laws in your own? (Even withholding promotions count.)

      It's not that I disagree with those that say the bill is a bad idea. However, most of your arguements as to why are just plain stupid and uneducated. That's aside from the truly moronic who are bigoted against "Mormon's" because one state in the union heavily populated by Latter-Day Saints voted in a conservative manner. (By the way...if Utah is about 70% LDS and a recent poll by BYU says about 53% of the state are for "traditional" sex education, then you're making too many assumptions about what makes a Mormon a Mormon.)

      March 13, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • RightCoastVA

      Something tells me you don't do much of any hiring...

      March 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  81. MK045

    The article, and most on this topic, say that "...teachers can currently provide contraceptive instruction." Teachers don't make any decisions on this, in any state. They teach what the local school corporation/district tell them to teach as part of the local curriculum. Don't go blaming this on the teachers; they get bashed enough without imagining new transgressions.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:36 am |
  82. TheTraveler

    "Bill Wright, said that he believes sex education shouldn't be taught in the classroom; he says that kind of instruction should take place in the home. Wright says he decided to change existing sex education laws after seeing instructional materials provided by Planned Parenthood that he viewed as inappropriate."

    ROTFLMAO! This is the same guy who rammed through HB116 in Utah granting illegals amnesty via work permits. Wright also owns a substantial dairy farm operation and I guess he needs more workers...

    March 13, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  83. ozilot

    Hopefully, when the law is signed, Utah will have the good sense to select none other than Bristol Palin as their poster child for the "abstinence only" policy, maybe she'll even pose with her "born out of wedlock" child!

    March 13, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  84. Ron Dunn

    While this is no doubt a noble effort, there will always be that sad percentage of emotionally stunted young people that wont get it. It's sad but you have to set the bar very low for the kids that are just dense.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  85. Dunlar

    "Just Say No", worked so well, at eradicating all drug abuse in the US! This is bound to work.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  86. Bob

    To you from Utah, are you a bunch of backwoods idiots? Comprehensive research has shown that abstinence education fails on all accounts. And the causal connection between it and the uptake of unwanted pregnancies and STD transmission is strong even after controlling for a whole host of socio-demographics, etc. Take a look at:


    This is an impartial study.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • bro

      i saw a online poll the other day on the utah news about this and most were against it. I am from utah the religion associated with the state and can't believe they would even think of doing this. it makes me sad to see it.

      March 13, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • CityGirl

      Yes, we are all a bunch of idiots. What a brilliant deduction. The legislators in Utah reflect the will of the people just about as accurately as the U.S. Congress. But, hey, don't let logical thought stop you from posting comments.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
      • Jack Reynolds

        CitiGirl – I agree. I am from Utah and most of the people I know think this bill is true lunacy. However, I do put the onus on us as Utah residents for voting for these people, and more likely than not, re-electing most of these people in the future (if statistics hold true). (same theory goes for US Congress – people say they don't represent how we feel, yet they get re-elected the overwhelming majority of the time). If the representatives had any reasonable fear that pushing this would mean no re-election (this idea, or any other issue) they would not push it.

        March 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  87. Jay

    A balance must be found with this. Yes, abstinence before marriage and fidelity afterwards is the only 100% way to avoid STDs and premarital pregnancy, but kids also need to know about safe sex! Teach both. Help the kids understand that if they are going to make that choice to forgo abstinence (which is their call) then they need to be armed with the knowledge that an abstinence only program wouldn't give them. As Debi pointed out, a just abstinence course often leads to a high teen pregnancy rate and a just safe sex program often leads to a high teen sex rate. Balance people! Balance!

    March 13, 2012 at 10:28 am |
  88. rockysfan

    Funny how the men want us to have no reproductive say but they will leave you to raise the child and cut off any access to care or jobs in a nano second. Any else see that irony?

    March 13, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • yeahalright

      I think you're a bitter person who can't get over her hatred for all men, lumps all of them into the same basket and contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:09 am |
      • Well Duh

        She did say "The men who..." not all men

        March 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Spinner49

      Same folks say they are "pro-life" are the first to want to de-fund social service safety nets, Headstart, public education, college tuition aid, and anything that smacks of universal health care. They aren't pro-life, they're only pro-birth. After that, tough luck.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:37 am |
      • Pan3

        Spinner – I agree 100% !

        March 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
      • RJ

        Something I have noticed time and time again. Pro-life does not equal compassion.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
      • Tim

        Spinner, I have noticed the samething as well. I see so many screaming pro-life the first thing I want to ask them, are you going to adopt the child born born on drugs? I say let the woman make the choice. I know for some women they would love to have a man stand beside them but then you get the situation where the guy is like I don't want anything to do with the baby and now she is stuck raising a baby alone. This world is so gray and it sucks that some people can only see in black and white.

        March 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • The One Who Knows

      Do we see that? No...all we see it bitterness...loss...failure...contempt...ignorance...but mostly ignorance.

      But thanks for playing.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  89. bro

    such a bad idea. I am from utah and a mormon and i believe this so stupid. i believe you shouldn't have sex before your married but i think our kids still need to learn about safe sex. Not everybody in utah is mormon any way. I am very disappointed in utah for this. I hope it gets vetoed.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:25 am |
  90. Richard

    What part of the world are we living in? Wait, what year is this? So Republicans/overly religious groups run on the idea that government is taking away of all of their liberties but can someone explain to me how this is not about religion staying out of government? This is incredibly creepy. What does a law like this serve? Who's it for? This is stupidity at it's purest.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • bro

      unfortunately in utah there are some extreme mormons that think everyone should adhere to their beliefs but the normal mormons like me don't think so. i really hate this idea and hope it doesn't pass

      March 13, 2012 at 10:29 am |
      • Hadenough

        "normal mormon" is an oxymoron.

        March 13, 2012 at 10:49 am |
      • Derp

        Hadenough is just a moron.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:41 am |
  91. Drew

    I love these people who continue to believe that somehow marriage is a buffer against disease.
    "abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases." Oh the ignorance!
    Why are so many people terrified of sex?

    March 13, 2012 at 10:13 am |
  92. Sheila

    So, parents won't tell them, and the school won't tell them. If no one tells them how to prevent sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancy except to ignore the urges that are taking over your body and robbing it of common sense, they're just sunk.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Cord

      Why do you say that parents won't talk to their children about sex? Since when did our schools become the only way to educate our children about serious things like having sex, creating a family, etc.? I discuss these things with my children and feel it's my responsibility to do it, not the school's (and it's not a one-time "talk" - we have discussions about it often). I would be totally fine with the schools not having a sex-education curriculum at all.

      And why is it an okay method to "just say no" when it comes to drugs (which many on this board are totally fine with using), but not to having sex?

      March 14, 2012 at 11:34 am |
  93. raggmopp

    If the gov signs this, UT better get ready for an increase in teen mothers, an increase of the welfare rolls, an increase of Medicaid, an increase in abortions, etc.

    Yes, teens should be responsible but don't count on that happening.
    Teens will have sex no matter what you say to them. Best to educate them on how to prevent babies and STDs.

    If we are passing out the blue pills to the males we are telling them "OK, these blue pills are for having sex". But we say nothing about how to prevent.

    March 13, 2012 at 10:01 am |
  94. PhilTheDrill

    This is Utah. Won't most teenage girls be somebody's wife no. 5 well before they take sex ed, anyway?

    March 13, 2012 at 9:58 am |
  95. Debi

    Watch the teen pregnancy rate start going way up in the next few years.

    March 13, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Matt

      Concur, these folks are so silly. They need to face reality.

      March 13, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • michael

      i was just about to say the same thing - teen pregnancy is about to jump upwards.

      March 13, 2012 at 10:33 am |
      • Jim Rousch

        Try the availability of women's clinics in Utah as the reason why Utah's abortion rate is so low.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
  96. guitarharry

    Yeah. Sure. There is a simple way to determine if this will work. How old were you when you first had sex? Okay. Do not expect teenagers today to behave any differently.

    March 13, 2012 at 9:39 am |
  97. guitarharry

    Yeah. Sure. There is a simple way to determine if this will work. How old were you when you first had sex? Okay. Don't expect teenagers today to be any different.

    March 13, 2012 at 9:36 am |
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