Utah lawmakers vote for abstinence-only sex education
March 13th, 2012
06:09 AM ET

Utah lawmakers vote for abstinence-only sex education

by John Martin, CNN

(CNN) – When I was a senior in the late 1980s, my high school brought in a woman from Planned Parenthood to talk to my health class. I remember her because she had props a condom and a banana. Utah may outlaw lessons like that one very soon. The state's legislature passed a bill mandating that when it comes to sex education, public schools must teach about abstinence, and almost nothing else.

If the bill is signed by Gov. Gary Herbert, Utah's teachers will not be allowed to inform students about contraceptives, "the intricacies of intercourse," homosexuality, or sexual activity outside of marriage. The bill says teachers would have to inform students that, "abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases." Teachers would still be allowed to provide instruction on male and female physiology and anatomy, as well as health issues like AIDS/HIV. The proposed law does allow schools one other option: not to teach anything about sex at all.

According to CNN affiliate KSL, the bill's sponsor, Utah state Rep. Bill Wright, said that he believes sex education shouldn't be taught in the classroom; he says that kind of instruction should take place in the home. Wright says he decided to change existing sex education laws after seeing instructional materials provided by Planned Parenthood that he viewed as inappropriate. The proposed bill mandates that Utah schools must use approved abstinence-only curriculum materials for sex education instruction.

The Utah Education Association – a teacher's union – and the Utah Parent Teacher Association are urging the governor to veto the bill. A state senator opposed to the bill said that schools need to teach young people about sex because parents might not address the topic at home. Critics of the bill point to a 2007 study of abstinence classes that found no difference in the abstinence rate between students who took the class and students who did not.

An online petition has garnered more than 35,000 signatures, asking the governor to veto the bill.

Current Utah law stresses abstinence, but teachers can currently provide contraceptive instruction. In addition, parents can decide whether their children will receive sex education. According to the Salt Lake Tribune, very few parents in Utah's largest school districts opt out of these kinds of lessons for their children.

The bill is on Herbert's desk, but there has been no indication yet whether the governor will sign or veto the bill. A spokeswoman for the governor's office said that he has received thousands of calls, e-mails and letters on both sides of the issue. The governor has said his decision will reflect the best policy for Utah, not necessarily public opinion.

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  1. DanG

    My school system switched over to abstinence only my junior or senior year in highschool as the school board was controlled by folks of a certain religion. They brought, or probably better said – Forced, their beliefs into the school system. In doing so, our pregancy rate was raised, including our senior class president. She was pregnant before even graduating high school. Not saying they are directly tied, but you MUST talk about sex and give options. Just becuase you turn a blind eye doesn't mean it is not going to happen. Educating and teaching students about responsibility as well as results for not taking up such responsibility should be paramount.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
  2. pastafaria

    Is it any wonder why high-school shooting sprees seem to happen more often in conservative Midwestern states?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
  3. Really?

    What a bunch of idiots. They might as well just do away with the entire class. Most youngsters will have sex. Bottom line. Preparing them, and giving them options will be the only way to avoid unwanted outcomes.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  4. Ken in MD

    Excellent! Now that state of Utah will have lots of babies to take care of. And lots of pregnant teens. Since when did politicians get to tell schools that ignorance is better than education? Do they really think if you don't teach kids about sex they won't have any? Like if you don't teach kids about homosexuality, there won't be any gay kids? What are you, TEXAS??? Dumb.

    March 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  5. Fig1024

    Why can't politicians look at the numerous evidence and see that abstinence-only sex education does not work. It results in more teen pregnancies and more health risks. Why can't the people in charge of law use reason and not just personal preferences to make laws that effect everybody?

    When will we finally get leaders who do what is right based on evidence, not what they "feel" is right?

    March 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  6. TAK

    And the steady march to theocracy continues...

    March 13, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Al

      Can I get an "Amen!" This country is almost as hung up about sex as the islamic countries we rail against.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  7. socalkim

    I got sex ed in HS, and was still very naive. It was pretty basic info. Mortified to learn to put a condom on a banana, but I survived. Sure didn't make me want to run out and "do it!" Good grief! Didn't use what I learned until after college. And still felt unprepared. Kids need to know this stuff. Some will not use the knowledge until they're married, but even married people need to know this stuff! Heaven help the poor kids who dare to dabble in sex at such an early age and have NO knowledge of how to protect themselves. I consider it child abuse to not educate kids. Adults are only minimally able to influence WHEN sex happens, but virtually ALL kids will have their first experience without a parent's knowledge. The subject of sexuality is embarassing and personal, and it is the cause of much psychological pain and unwanted pregnancies, and I say kids need to know MORE not LESS.

    March 13, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  8. J Santos

    The Utah lawmakers in a statement indicated the following, "We'll better serve our students by teaching them abstinence-only sex education, but we encourage them to get good hands-on education with someone they're on age. We believe that practice makes perfect!"

    March 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
  9. Bob Bobberson

    Duwayne Anderson
    – I'm calling bull. If banning sex ed is so in line with the people of Utah, then why have 35,000 of them signed a petition asking for a veto?
    Life is so much easier when you just assume everything, instead of actually finding out any facts.

    March 13, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  10. BigBendjc

    You can't legislate raging hormones! Kids are going to experiment regardless of what is taught. Responsibility should be taught (condoms, contraceptives, abstinence, etc).

    March 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  11. Amused Texan

    Abstinence is like any other form of birth control- it's only effective if you use it right. Since almost nobody uses it right, it's not really very effective birth control by itself. You can teach people to try to use it right, but our biology pushes us to use it wrong. So good luck with that, Utah!

    March 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  12. Neal Olson

    I guess it's best for our kids to lose their innocence and morals early in life, and screw with mad abandon, without love or committment. Abstinance is a terrifying idea to those who think only of their own pleasure without regard to consequences. You liberals are absolutely nauseating. If sex education really worked as you say, why do we have record numbers of unwed mothers and/or abortions? When idealogy overrules common sense, you get chaos. But I guess that's what you want – when perversion is considered normal, you can be just a sick as you want without being noticed. Satan is laughing his a– off, and Hell is waiting for all of you. Yes, I'm disgusted by you, but I'm also sad to see so many end up in Hades when it doesn't have to be. I'll pray for you all...

    March 13, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
  13. Chill Pill

    Ok first of all, let me preface by saying I disagree with most of this bill. However, I do like one point. I appreciate that they're teaching "abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases." Because it's true! You can't argue the fact that abstinence is the most EFFECTIVE form of contraception! We've gotten so focused on the idea that "kids are GOING to have sex, so we better show them how to protect themselves" (important, yes) that we don't bother to make them aware that they're not going to get pregnant or contract an STD if they practice abstinence!

    That being said, as I stated earlier, I don't like this bill. Utah is kidding itself if it thinks teaching only abstinence is anywhere near a cure-all. There are lots of kids that are going to have sex no matter how much you preach abstinence, so yes, a full sex-ed course is important. But let's not forget abstinence. It's so important that abstinence is part of the curriculum. Show kids the statistics on the effectiveness of each form of contraception if you really want them to be aware of the whole picture!

    March 13, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
  14. Utard

    The only line you have to read is : "Wright says he decided to change existing sex education laws after seeing instructional materials provided by Planned Parenthood that he viewed as inappropriate." Apparently, Wright now thinks that his narrow view of what he thinks is "inappropriate" should also be the viewpoint of every citizen of Utah.

    March 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
  15. Zenia

    Schools shouldn't be teaching kids about sex anyway. They need to learn about it on the streets like we did.

    March 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
  16. BigBendjc

    Oh yeah.....that's going to work!!!!!! Does that mean if Romney gets into the WH that will be his first priority?????

    March 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
  17. Bear with me...

    Ok first of all, I'm not LDS, and I disagree with a lot of ways the church goes about these issues. But I do agree with one point: the idea that abstinence should be taught as the ultimate cure-all, because it is. Modern America has gotten so geared toward teaching kids contraception, that we've forgotten one very important truth: the most fool-proof way to avoid pregnancy/STDs is to NOT HAVE SEX. We can't be afraid to tell kids that abstinence is the best way to go. We're so concerned with the idea that "kids WILL have sex, so we need to teach them how to protect themselves" that we leave abstinence out of the curriculum.

    All that being said, I DO think this bill goes too far. Taking sex ed away is not the answer, because obviously just telling kids abstinence is the only answer isn't anywhere near a cure-all. Utah's kidding themselves there. But I also believe abstinence needs to be taught alongside other contraception methods, because let's face it, it works a lot better than a condom.

    March 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • keith

      that is an ignorant statement

      March 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Al

      First of all, you can't teach abstinence in a vacum. You need to teach responsibility. Explain to the kids that what goes along with engaging in sex. Explain to them that there's emotional and physical consequences for engaging in the behavior and that's why it's generally something only adults should do – because even adults dont handle it well. Just like drinking and smoking and other adult behaviors. But with that said, if you're going to engage in the behavior, you need to know how to protect yourself from those consequences.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • doesn't work

      Bear with me... tries to take an argument about a hypothetical sexual encounter and extrapolate it to form a generalization about a population as a whole. It has been proven time and again that abstinence as a public policy fails. The kids have sex anyway. Condoms don't always work, but the pregnancy rate does go down.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Craig L. from GA

      You are absolutely right. It is the only sure way to peace of mind and leads to healthier self esteem and self confidence. And most kids appreciate the guidance and encouragement to stay abstinent before marriage. It helped me and many others that I went to school with.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
      • ChasB

        This is a bad joke. For starters, most parents don't broach the subject of sex with their kids (my parents are liberal, open-minded and they still didn't discuss it AT ALL with me. Furthermore, you're not only competing with hormones, but also the messaging kids receive from TV, music, peers which are very sexually charged (not to say I think there's anything wrong with that cause I feel our country is WAY too prudish). But the truth is, if you expect to compete with all that you need to let kids know what their options are and most parents aren't even educated enough to know the current statistics or even accurate ways of using condoms. I mean, I still hear people my age and older say that wearing two condoms will provide extra protection when all it does is increase friction between the condoms and raising the risk of them tearing for sure.

        So let schools do what they do best, teach your kids. Give them the tools needed to protect themselves or all you'll do is leave them at the mercy of ignorance.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • JDinKC

      I would think even if you teach abstinence, you should still teach contraception, even for a married couples point of view.
      It is the Catholic Church not the LDS Church that has a stance against contraception. This is why I'm having a hard time understanding why this is getting any traction. I understand the concerns from the teen aspect, but that is short sighted to consider that only.
      In LDS groups proper family planning is still encouraged, especially if you are starting out as a new couple, new job, getting a financial footing in the real world. It is important to learn to plan wisely, and if you aren't learning about contraception because all teaching of it has been removed, you lose a valuable planning tool.

      March 13, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
  18. lianne

    I thought it was proven a long time ago that teenagers can't be told not to have sex or obstain from it. abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases."

    March 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
  19. Republican View

    Of course marriage is the answer. And a guy doesn't even have to have an extramarital affair.....just take another wife. Isn't that what "Sister Wives" is all about.

    March 13, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Neal Olson

      You don't have a clue..

      March 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
  20. Horseyonz

    Worked for Bristol Palin, you betcha'!!

    March 13, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Michael

      WINNING

      March 13, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
  21. xeno

    Let's cap federal benefits going to residents of Utah at current levels, make the state come up with the support for all of the new teen moms and babies they are about to create.

    March 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • Fred Stone

      I agree, as long as we cap benefits to states where folks engage in smoking, alcohol, etc... at a higher rate than occurs in Utah. That being said, I hope Governor Herbert vetoes the bill.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
  22. Suleiman the Magnificent

    Utah like Arizona. Laughing stock of US.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
  23. Christopher Keil

    The conservative states could save a lot of time, money, and effort if they'd just pass a single bill taking them back to the 1950s.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Suleiman the Magnificent

      1950 too modern. Send them back to 1650, with the settlers, may Allah bless them.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • tone34

      Wow, the 50s must have been pretty bad, I wonder how anyone survived. We prefer today's abysmal rates of STD infection, teen-pregnancy, and abortion over the notion that abstinence before marriage and fidelity after just might be a good idea?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  24. reasonablepeeps

    Casteration of all men that want intercourse but don't want marriage would be a better answer but it may be more humane to teach abstinence instead.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Suleiman the Magnificent

      May the fleas of 40,000 camels settle in your armpits.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
      • Suleiman the Magnificent

        With Allah blessing of course

        March 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
      • Really?

        LOL!!!!

        March 13, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  25. Duwayne Anderson

    Utah's legislature is controlled by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The legislature is over 80% Mormon, and fully active Mormons (those who attend the temple) are required, as a prerequisite for temple attendance, to affirm their loyalty to the church's prophet. The church has a tradition of meeting annually with legislators and (in spite of legal disclaimers to the contrary) regularly exercises their influence over law makers.

    This is the same church that, for almost all its history, taught that Blacks were "less valiant" in the pre-existence, and were "cursed" with a black skin and could not attend the temple or hold the priesthood. The same church that opposed the Equal Rights amendment, and was instrumental in defeating it. The same church that was predominately responsible for funding/organizing the proposition 8 measure in California. Unlike most major denominations, the LDS Church refused to specifically condemn the Iraq war - in fact, they welcomed the war criminal Dick Cheney to BYU (the church's university) where he was warmly embraced and given an honorary degree.

    Given the church's abysmal record on civil rights, it's hardly surprising that Utah is taking this draconian approach to birth control. We should expect nothing less from the reddest of the red states.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • xeno

      I agree with everything you said! I wanted to add, though, that Idaho to the north is actually redder than Utah, and it is FULL of LDS that are considerably more backwards than those in Utah. It's like another world there.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • 1 Mormons Point of View

      Regarding "required, as a prerequisite for temple attendance, to affirm their loyalty to the church's prophet," the question is to affirm a line of authority for religious doctrine, not for secular behavior. Specifically, the question reads, "Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys?" This is hardly a call to over-throw the government.

      Regarding "that Blacks were "less valiant" in the pre-existence, and were "cursed" with a black skin and could not attend the temple or hold the priesthood," in over 50 years as a member, I never once heard that doctrine taught. I am not saying that someone didn't speculate in writing, but we believed we were all brothers and sisters of a common God. In fact, I remember exactly where I was when the prophet announced that all worthy male members were eligible to participate in the priesthood-there was only joy and excitement at that time by all I knew.

      Regarding "funding/organizing the proposition 8 measure in California," all of humanity draws a moral line somewhere. Just because one defends a certain definition of marriage, doesn't mean you are anti-someone with a different opinion.

      Regarding "they welcomed the war criminal Dick Cheney to BYU," you clearly have an agenda.

      Regarding abstinence being a "draconian approach to birth control," why should the government program my kids about a behavior (sex) that some still believe to be a moral experience rather than just a recreational experience.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  26. markusp

    Utah has some fine people, I'm certain. They have a problem with this old, white guy that sponsored this bill. Apparently, he is unable to have sex, so by his thinking, clearly noone should have sex. Utah has some fine teachers, I'm certain. The Utah voters need to rely on those teachers that know how to appropriately broach the subjects of $ex education. They've had training and experience. Of course, Bill Wright has lots of field experience when it comes to not having $ex. I'd be interested to see his credentials as to how to properly teach such a course. His "credential" would be his limp member just sitting there, enjoying the abstinence.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  27. Suleiman the Magnificent

    It is the only way. Too many people on planet. This way less. Less fun too, but these are desperate moments. Maybe Utah governor should be president, may Allah bless him.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Neal Olson

      You have no credibility; no one listens to muslims...

      March 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
      • John

        @Neal.... You're simply a NAZI!!!

        March 13, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • Charles B

      You're talking about kids that are going to do whatever they want anyway. America isn't overpopulated. The other countries/continents are. You sound like you're speaking with a boot in your mouth

      March 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
      • ChasB

        If you consider per capita population and distribution of resources then yes, the U.S. is overpopulated and it's only going to get worse. Trying reading a book. I recommend the Limits to Growth–unless you don't believe in 'good' science.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  28. RobK

    Funny thing is that most people who think the government (i.e. schools) should be teaching kids about sex, also think that it is the parent's job to monitor what video games or movies the kids buy, and don't want the government to put restrictions on that. So, which is it? Should the government teach your kids about sex and control what they can buy? Or is it the parent's job to do both?

    March 13, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
  29. Elvishasleftthebuilding

    Where do these people come from? How much effort do they actually put in thinking up these things? Kids today will rather google all about $ex ed than learn it at school. Do these people live on another reality plane? Sould we listen to Newt, open up a colony on the Moon so we can send all the jokers out there? They are out there already, won`t make much of a difference to them

    March 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • lily

      I could tell you the answer to that question, but it's not allowed – the answer, nor the question. So sorry.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
  30. Collin

    It's disturbing how the people we elect choose to impose their religious beliefs on us and our children. There is seperation of church and state for a reason, but our representatives (especially republicans) just can't comprehend it. They attempt to mask their religous intentions by claiming various "family values" or as stated in the article, "homosexuality, or sexual activity outside of marriage." All of which are inspired by their religion.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
  31. Hikerstud

    If we could just get rid of the parents and the politicians we could do all the drugs and have all the sex we want with no rules. Oh wait except the law of consequences. Me and my best friends girlfriend hate that one.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  32. AZlib

    Going back in time today Mr. Peabody? Back to the days of shame and coathangers... Do they truly think the kids don't know about "no". Talk about deciding not to live in reality. While I do appreicate their goals.. the fact is that mother nature has a way to break through the propaganda. Personally, I subscribe to working with children to know the facts and provide them with information that can actually help. How well has the Nancy Regan "just say no to drugs worked out?". Sticking ones head in the sand, while it might make you feel that you are doing God's work or the right thing, actually will end up potentially hurting many people. Truly is time to get the Religious Morals out of our laws and schools. Scopes trial is over, Just say No doesn't work, threating teachers does not make students smarter, try new things and find the right course of action. Hope that logic prevails here..

    March 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  33. Neeraja

    The longer I walk this Earth the more I am convinced we, as a country, are walking backwards. Arcane religious inspired laws that weaken individual rights and liberties. I think we're fighting religious extremism in the wrong country, we should be looking across the street and around the nation for prime examples of threats to our country.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Suleiman the Magnificent

      To quote someone even more magnificent than I, the longer I live the more I like my dog

      March 13, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Rob

      Praise the LORD – SCIENCE! Since science is the only way to true salvation. You religious cowards can continue to rot away in your mythological nonsense.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Horseyonz

      Well stated.

      March 13, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  34. Frank

    Well, at least it'll be super-easy to find babies to adopt in Utah pretty soon.

    Someone should start a web site keeping track of how many babies the lawmakers that vote for HB 0363 adopt.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  35. Mike B

    Hmmmm......Let's see now....."Just say No"...."four and a half BILLION years of evolutionary pressure"....I WONDER which will prevail ?

    March 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  36. Aloisae

    If what he remembered from his sex ed class were the props used by the Planned Parenthood representative then it was an incredibly bad and ineffectual method of teaching sex ed. I still remember my abstinence class from the 1980s... and the research we were required to do on the cost of having/raising a baby, the emotional demands a child makes on the parents and pressure it puts on a relationship, the efficacy rates of various birth control methods (some of which have changed since then but thirty years later I still research any contraceptive I consider switching to to find out what testing was done and what its failure rates are...), what the prevalence and consequences of various STDs can be and the effectiveness of different types of condoms on preventing the spread of these plus the risk of transmittal even when using condoms.... I'm thinking abstinence education isn't really in and of itself inferior to "sex ed" but rather it depends with either what the quality of the class itself is. Seriously.. I bet more of the kids from his class ended up with an unintended pregnancy than mine if a how to demonstration on using a condom made the biggest impact on him.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
  37. Olaf Big

    Lovely! Rick Santorum meets Joseph Stalin! Abstinence before marriage is what they taught in schools, on the radio and in press for about sixty years in the Soviet Union. Did not do much good, because communist or religious propaganda is no match for a sex drive of a healthy teenager (trust me, I know). All that did was to increase the rate of unwanted teenage pregnancies and STDs.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
  38. martin

    The Utah legislators really hit their head on the nail this time.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • alf564

      This will work just as good as ""JUST SAY NO""" **LMAO**

      March 13, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
  39. Jim Rousch

    Just for laughs, let's watch Utah's teen pregnancy rate s k y r o c k e t.

    In all seriousness, the solution for teen pregnancy can be found in 2 Corinthians, Chapter 7, where it says that those who cannot control themselves should marry.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • cc

      Sorry, but marriage is not the answer to teen pregnancy-it's only the answer to unmarried pregnancies. (Admittedly most teen pregnancies are currently unmarried, but making it easier to get married won't make it easier for them to control themselves. And, as you pointed out, the lack of control is the basic reason for unplanned pregnancy.)

      March 13, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
      • Jim Rousch

        Read the verse. It's the only rational solution. God put those chemicals in the body at a certain time for a reason.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
      • John

        @Jim... There is no God... Grow-up

        March 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Charles B

      Yeah... do you remember the "separation of church and state"? This isn't Sunday church here. People are marrying at a much higher age, so drop the whole "we got married when we weren't even 20" act. Times change, people change. We should NOT be using stories out of an out-of-date book and instead focus on what the real solution is. Kids are going to have sex. Period.

      March 13, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Charles B

      I'm sorry but you do realize there is a "separation of church and state"? Quoting from an out-of-date book to supply your argument just makes it look like you have no clue what you're talking about. The age of when people get married is increasing, whereas it used to be around 20 years. Having two adolescent kids get married is an awful idea. Would you want to be brought up where your parents were never happy with each other. Come on now, you're really not thinking long-term here.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Moncada

      God does exist, if you believe in his existence than don't listen to the nay Sayers.

      March 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
      • rkilmer

        Is this the god who ordered the killing of thousands of people, at least according to the bible. Lower case is itended.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
  40. Levi

    these people have something against reality? Or maybe they want to marry their children now...

    March 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  41. Republican View

    Down here in Alabama they are considering a bill that would make all s x ual activity illegal outside of marriage. Marriage being a man and a woman of course. If a girl gets pregnant then both her and the father can be charged.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Republican View

      Maybe that's why you can get married at 13 in Alabama.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
      • NJMom

        Maybe that is the reason the Bible-Belt is leading the nation with divorce rate according to an artile on CNN a few (couple of) month ago.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      Wait a minute....I thought we were fighting a war against religious extremism. I guess we should have taken care of the religious extremists in our own country first.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
      • Hikerstud

        $487,000,000 million paid to planned parenthood in 2010 and they performed over 300,000 abortions in 07 08 09 also. Taxpayer funded. This killed off quite a few who probably would have ended up religious.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
      • derp

        "This killed off quite a few who probably would have ended up religious"

        We have to start somewhere

        March 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
      • Anthony Wilkinson

        Not in Utah. Studies have shown that Utah has the second lowest abortion rate, and 3rd lowest teen pregnancy rate of any state in the country. Wow, those people there must be real fanatics. Didn't they know? STDs, teen pregnancy, and abortion are cool and modern, man!

        March 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
      • le Sigh

        A study? Or statistics?

        I can make a study say what I want but stats don't lie.

        March 14, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • Jim Rousch

      How would they punish them?

      Thank God I live in a state that would never consider that nonsense.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • reasonablepeeps

      Abstinence is the gold standard. If a parent wants to teach promiscuity then let them teach it. Society needs to promote marriage and families.
      We have taught promiscuity in our schools, music and movies for years and it is not working. We need to start teaching abstinence, self control and accountability. I and many others practice abstinence from premarital and extramarital intercourse why can't we teach that. It is the only sure way not to get pregnant or get an STD.
      I support the elected officials of Utah.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
      • derp

        The gold standard of failure. Teen and unmarried birth rates are statistically higher everywhere abstinence education has been tried. But hey, I don't live in some stupid abstinence only hick state so have at it.

        March 13, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Republican View

      Not sure on the punishment....send them to Utah perhaps.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • he's a troll

      The post is fake, this dude is an obvious troll.

      March 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
  42. RobK

    Funny thing is that most people who think the government (i.e. schools) should be teaching kids about sex, because parents don't do a good job of it, also think that it is the parent's job to monitor what video games or movies the kids buy, and don't want the government to put restrictions on that. So, which is it? Should the government teach your kids about sex and control what they can buy? Or is it the parent's job to do both?

    March 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  43. belladonna

    Hmm...so abstinence before marriage. eh? With the age of first marriage rising like a rocket. Yep, that'll work. Oh, yeah, what about contraception *after* marriage, or are you suppose to just pop the little buggers out, regardless of your ability to raise/afford them? How about those who choose to remain childfree? Abstinence within marriage? One problem I see there is not everyone subscribes to this Iron Age nonsense!

    March 13, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • xeno

      It's Utah, so yeah, you are supposed to just keep popping them out regardless of whether you can afford them. Utah and Idaho have a lot of families on public assistance for this very reason.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
  44. Mike

    Was there an oral vote?

    March 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  45. Bethany

    I think this should be tought in all schools, because this could decrease the teen pregnancy rate.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Rebecca

      No, it can't. Look at the teen pregnancy rate in Texas, which has actually just gone done. Abstinence only doesn't work. It should be PART of sex education...but shouldn't there be education ABOUT sex in sex education class? Just saying.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      LOL! You're kidding, right? Tell us that you're kidding, because even the Apostle Paul wrote that abstinence doesn't work!

      March 13, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  46. atroy

    Yeah, the money wasted teaching sex education in schools could be better spent building school daycare centers so students with children don't miss class.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  47. Mike

    Look how well abstinence education worked for Bristol Palin

    March 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Hikerstud

      $487 million paid to planned parenthood in 2010 in Federal tax dollars. They are the largest abortion provider and have performed over 300,000 per year from 2007 through 2010. Is that spelled clear enough for you?

      March 13, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  48. Hikerstud

    American taxpayers paid $482000,000 in 2010 to underwrite the killing of 333,000
    children through abortions performed by Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest
    abortion services Provider.
    The estimate is based on tax dollars that went to Planned Parenthood for "government
    health services grants and reimbursements'"
    The chart below shows the number of abortions (rounded off) performed by
    Planned Parenthood for the years designated.

    March 13, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
  49. Richard

    Wow, what is Utah going to vote on next. abstinence only physical education? Where they will only teach kids to abstain from eating fatty foods. Exercise? No we can't teach them that! It will encourage them to eat fatty foods!

    March 13, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  50. young mom

    there should be a lesson taught that the parent decides if they want to teach it to their child or have the school do it. And that should be sent back to the state. also the parent should be able to choose whether they want their child to be taught abstiance or safe sex. because it all honesty if the "state" wants to have control over it they should know that parent or law will never have control over it

    March 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  51. Steve

    It shows how to close to biblical goat herding barbarians many in this country still are. They would take away all of our liberty if they could. They are the American Taliban. They should be treated with all due hatred and contempt.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Josh

      Steve, it sounds like you are very open-minded and tolerant (note: this is a sarcastic statement)

      March 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
      • Gordon

        Just as open-minded and tolerant as the christians that think that if they only teach that sex is appropriate for married couples (hetero only), kids will abstain until they're married. And they're also so tolerant of teaching kids about evolution, which, at least, has some evidence to back it up.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      Give that man a cigar!

      March 13, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
  52. Paul Duane

    Initially, I was very opposed to HB 363. Now I think that our backward-thinking law makers have unintentionally got it right: http://www.paulduane.net/blog/2012/03/baked-potatoes-condoms-and-kids/

    March 13, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  53. Steve

    Ha ha, now watch as their teen pregnancy rates spiral out of control. Idiots!

    March 13, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • John

      I happen to disagree. I think this is what needs to be taught in school. Funny because my daughter had sex at 15 because she had learned "it was safe" to at school because she thought she knew it all. She was never taught abstenese in fact she says it was never mentioned

      March 13, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
      • JDinKC

        This is where the problem lies. The school shouldn't be prohibited from teaching things, but at the same time the parent's shouldn't assume that what they believe in is being taught in school. It is a pairing of both parental guidance and teaching. The teaching of things like contraceptives still apply for future married couples who are properly planning family size. Even in the LDS Church there is proper family planning (unlike the Catholic Church which is completely against contraception), so prohibiting the teaching of such seems counter productive. Instead they should draft a law that reminds parents to teach their beliefs also.

        March 13, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
  54. Hikerstud

    Me and my 11th friend with benefits are swell. And by that i mean I am swollen with std's herpes, etc and she is swollen waiting for her 6th choice to abort. The taxpayers cover it because they have no choice. Once that's done she has to get checked for cervix cancer and me for aids and anus cancer. But we are free thank heaven we are not like those ignorant utah people. So backward. We are progressive.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Steve

      Yes, I know in your world, people who have sex outside of marriage all have STDs.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Kalster

      Wow...it's always the same old song from you morons: responsibly teach kids about the realities of sex and watch out! – everybody will be pregnant and have diseases. Or maybe people will be responsible with their bodies. I had real sex education in school over 30 years ago – back then they separated the boys and the girls, which I still think is a good idea. We got to review a lot of embarrassing topics, giggle a lot as kids will do, and try to act like we already knew everything already, which of course we did not. The result: as far as I know, nobody got pregnant, nobody got diseases, and everyone was relieved they did not have to ask their parents certain questions. It was a good program, designed well and it was effective. The "Just Say No To Sex" club has never worked. We can teach sex ed responsibly to kids and at the same time encourage them to abstain as long as possible.....even until marriage.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • ahem.. ok

      So, what you're saying is if you actually took sex ed classes and learned about condoms none of this would have been an issue?

      Because stupid trolls usually try to make an opposing point.. not a supporting point...

      March 13, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      And chose not to get married because......

      March 13, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
  55. saddened

    great, more children will be born to single teenage girls

    i cant help but think this is what the religious people want... it is the needy that are fastest to turn to god right? that is at least consistent throughout the new testament.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
  56. yahmez

    Religious fundamentalists have the right to tell their own kids whatever they want. Abstinence only sex education is a misguided attempt to inject religion into government. How about religions pay taxes, or get the hell out of making government policy.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  57. Bones

    You can now teach Creationism and Abstinence at the same time and you could cover both subjects in under 1 second.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
  58. huey johnston

    "abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases." Really?? Marriage will cure those people already infected with HIV from blood contact and other accidents?

    March 13, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • tone34

      Did that sentence mention HIV? And even considering HIV, what would you name as a transmission method that ranks with higher rates of infection than unprotected sex?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  59. Em

    Good luck with Utah being the next locations for a whole season of its own for 16 and Pregnant. Teaching responsibility is a better option than depriving kids of the knowledge to understand what they are actually doing and possible repercussions.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  60. Jim Savage

    Yeah, THAT will will.... Good luck with that....

    March 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
  61. Hikerstud

    Planned parenthood makes lots of taxpayer dollars on sx ed materials and hundreds of millions annually on abortion. Any body opposed is accused of being ignorant. Keep drinking their koolaid.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Jean

      Hiker stud?? Planned Parenthood doesn't get any federal moneyfor abortions. You should get your facts straight.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
      • Hikerstud

        Planned parenthood is almost exclusively funded with tax payer dollars for educational materials and abortions. Oh wait I forgot they teach how to be a pimp and work with acorn.

        March 13, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
      • Hikerstud

        American taxpayers paid $482000,000 in 2010 to underwrite the killing of 333,000
        children through abortions performed by Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest
        abortion services Provider.
        The estimate is based on tax dollars that went to Planned Parenthood for "government
        health services grants and reimbursements'"
        The chart below shows the number of abortions (rounded off) performed by
        Planned Parenthood for the years designated. CNS NEws 0103 2012

        March 13, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
      • Hikerstud

        $487,000,000 paid in 2010 to Planned parenthood in Federal dollars. They performed 333,000 abortions. Over 300,000 per year paid by the tax payer for 4 years running.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
      • Jim Rousch

        Don't confuse them with the facts because it conflicts with their religious freeDUMB.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Utah-the head in the sand state.

      It is you that has been drinking the koolaid. Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization. Only 3% of what they do involves abortion, and none of that is funded by taxpayers dollars. The rest of what they do is education, health screenings and contraception. Being opposed does not make one ignorant. Using incorrect statements and making up "facts" does.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
      • Chris

        Just remember, you can't fix stupid! Those individuals who believe Planned Parenthood is all about abortions will never be convinced otherwise. It's a waste of time trying to get them to face facts.

        March 13, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Steve

      Religious people are against planned parenthood because they are against women. They hate seeing any woman be independent and strong. They think attacking a service like this will lead to more women who are trapped in horrible marriages for the rest of their life like they are.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Skeptic1955

      Your an idiot...nothing else to say.....simple and concise

      March 13, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
  62. earl

    Welcome to the '50s Utah – the 1750s.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  63. Hawk

    Teaching abstinence-only education is like getting rid of summer school, tutors, extra-credit assignments, etc and telling kids that they need to study hard so they can get good grades. While it IS true that abstinence is the most effective form of birth control, and studying hard is the most effective way to get good grades...it is also true that those methods alone are not effective for everyone. Kids WILL have sex. They always have, and they always will. Kids will also fail subjects in school – always have, always will.

    You don't build a building, without planning for a fire and other emergencies. Sure, those things may never happen – people may be careful, contentious and smart. But if everyone was that way, there would be almost no building fires. But there are building fires – because people make mistakes. People make poor decisions. People, especially young people, who are still developing the ability to make good life-choices, do things without thinking of the consequences. Finally, abstinence-only education has been found to be ineffective at decreasing HIV risk and does not decrease the rates of unplanned pregnancy. It is the equivalent of throwing money at people, while sticking your fingers in your ears because you don't want to think that YOUR child just might fool around.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  64. Winnie

    For all of you highly educated people blaming the governing for this law, it was a senator or congressman that wrote the bill and the legislature that approved it and sent it to the governor to be signed into law, or not, which he hasn't done yet! The governor will bear his share of the responsibility IF he signs it. Perhaps you should google who author of the bill is and spew your vitriol on him – – and those in the legislature that allowed themselves to be persuaded that this was a good idea.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  65. Hikerstud

    Human kind is more educated than ever. We are in the infortion age. Yet std's aids affect and kill more than ever. We abort millions. Sx crimes are predators are on the increase. Now we have sx addiction. Wow maybe sx education and being super smart like all of you commentators is not the answer?

    March 13, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • kls817

      Well put

      March 13, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Haha

      Apparently being "super smart" has never been a concern of yours.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • BigRedYeti

      HikerStud, Could I recommend a good spelling and grammer check program for you?

      March 13, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Michael

      You can't even spell information age.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Tre309

      was that even English?

      March 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Skeptic1955

      Wow...what cave did you crawl out of?

      March 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      Sex ed isn't the problem, prohibiting horny teens to marry is.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  66. jack

    Someday Utah will come out of the Stone Age.

    March 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • jim dandy

      Yes, but hikerstud never will.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  67. Gary

    Sad, Why not just meet in the middle and make it an "elective" class. Anyone who wants it can take it and anyone who doesn't can go to some other class?

    March 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • doughnuts

      Because they know what is bwest for you. If they let you make a choice, they know you would choose WRONG.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • amy

      Yeah, why don't we offer them the choice of going to school at all vs staying home while we're at it? Idiot.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
      • cher

        Actually, Gary has a pretty good option. If you're going to teach sex ed, teach it correctly and factually. If certain families object on religious (or any other grounds), allow them to opt out. He's not suggesting opting out of basic school subjects.

        March 13, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • From Utah

      That actually is how it is now. The sex ed classes are all opt in. You can't even go to one without parentel consent. Strangely enough, it's only about .3% of the parents that don't let their kids go. I have no idea where Rep. Wright got the idea that this bill was needed.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  68. paz

    Kids in Utah will learn about sex like the rest of us who grew up in the internet age... From porn.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  69. DPCFOH

    I guess it never occurred to the lawmakers (aka church leaders) to teach abstinence, but ALSO teach methods of birth control in case teens choose not to be abstinent. I guess common sense isn't so common among the Utah lawmakers.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • ASF

      No kidding.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  70. YAG1970

    Might as well let them teach History and science at home also as these people live in an alternate reality!

    March 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  71. jimbo

    Two words...... Bristol Palin.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  72. blf83

    Neither abstinence nor ignorance has ever worked. Utah's legislators seem to endorse both abstinence and ignorance.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  73. blf83

    Well, Mormons only want to legislate others s x u al behavior while many still believe, even if they do not practice, that polygamy is God's will.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  74. Krit

    I'm a bit torn here.

    Ya see, I can see how this MIGHT have started out with good intents and then went through the religious ringer and came out this odd nonsense bill it is now.

    On the one hand, it is true that abstinence is the only foolproof method of Contraception and disease control. Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed. I do believe that in school and Planned Parenthood should teach this as it is a fact. That being said, we know that stopping at that point is a diservice to society. Understanding the risks and methods of other forms of birth control is a vital to modern society, as well as the biology involved in sex. Understanding how it all works out should be taught in a biological method and left to the students and their parents to decide on the moral matters.

    So in summary, Abstinence should be taught as the only 100% effective contraceptive, but that doesn't mean it should be the only thing taught.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Clinton Bunch

      Actually, according to Christian theology, abstinence has a failure rate of at least 1. Granted, out of at least trillions, but still not 100%. 🙂

      March 14, 2012 at 3:37 am |
      • Krit

        Ha!

        March 14, 2012 at 9:34 am |
  75. derp

    16 year old girl in a Utah clinic....

    "What is HIV?

    How did I get it?

    March 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      LOL!

      Yeeeeeep.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  76. DPCFOH

    Wow, that would be the best teaching job ever. It would take one minute to teach the class, then you have the rest of the semester off because you wouldn't have to give them any real information!

    March 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • jimmer

      "Good morning class, and welcome to s ex Ed 101"

      "Don't f&*k"

      "Class dismissed"

      "See you next year"

      March 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
  77. Waiting for a candidate

    Expect unwanted teen pregnancies to increase over the coming years in Utah, in fact all unwanted pregnancies will increase. Honestly in an ideal world sex ed would be taught at home, but it's not. If not for my home ec teacher in 7th grade (and that was in Baltimore in 1964) I would have no clue about reproduction, anatomy, birth control and choices. My parents never mentioned sex except to say they expected us not to have any. Unrealistic. I feel sorry for Utah teenagers who need guidance and help. This ignorance is more unforgivable than that of illiterate Afghans who stone their young women and girls and Iraqui's who kill teens for being different. What a sad state of affairs.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  78. WDinDallas

    They voted for it, let it stand....

    March 13, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • matt

      "they" voted for it? Great, but were "they" listening to their constituents when they did so? The really telling comment from the governor was that his decision will "not necessarily reflect public opinion". Hmm, I was under the impression that we elected officials to do exactly that, reflect public opinion within the rule of law.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
  79. MissouriBoy

    I see no problem with this. Intelligent parents will teach their children about birth control, condoms, etc.

    Ignorant super religious parents will ignore birth control until their teenage daughter gets pregnant, then suffer the consequences. (e.g. Sarah Palin). Many of these super religious parents will end up having to raise the grandchildren, as their idiot daughters will go out drinking late into the night at bars.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • InVT

      The problem is that knowledge should not be treated with such hateful disdain in America. Conservatives are waging a war on education and intelligence in this country, and that will hurt America in the not too far future.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
      • Roland

        Nail on the head.

        March 13, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • arosscpa

      Child of God, A child born outside of marriage is neither a problem or a tragedy. Like every new-born life, the child born outside marriage represents a singular opportunity for humanity to renew itself, and that is a good thing. The saddest and most damaging legacy of Planned Parenthood and its ilk it they have convinced our culture that pregnancy is a health crisis to be solved, not an opportunity to renew the human race.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
      • BigRedYeti

        You may certainly true in general but for some people a pregnancy IS a health crisis!

        March 13, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • silverfox

      The kids will laugh at the teachers because they already know too much about the wrong kind of sex and too little about safe and responsible sex. I guess these State legislators never watch TV or read a magazine or go to the movies or rent a current DVD to play at home. We live in a completely sex saturated culture where the kids figure "everybody is doing it" so why not them also? I guess adults in Utah don't know about the 1.5 million fatherless births every year in America or the 1 million abortions performed on young single women, many of them still in High School. Utah must still have all lead plumbing in the State Capitol.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
  80. rhobere

    as a Utahn, I'm not surprised this passed, but still somehow shocked that it did. if it hasn't worked everywhere else at any other point in time, why do we think it will all of a sudden work this time?

    teen pregnancy, here we come.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Mark

      It's called the definition if insanity

      March 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  81. Mark H.

    The assumption that parents will teach their kids about sex at home is fantasy. How many parents really have this discussion at home and how many kids actually listen to or believe them?

    March 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  82. nuh uuuuuh

    Abstinence only education is a complete contradiction in terms. The word education is derived from Latin, e duco (or to lead out of ignorance). The proper terminology is abstinence only ignorance. Willful ignorance is synonymous with stupidity, so let's just call it Abstinence Only Stupidity. Perfect. And for anyone out there that thinks that this is somehow an effective method of "teaching," realize that kids, driven by their hormones and sexual curiosity, will learn about sex on their own and often the hard way. Statistics prove this.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  83. Debbie

    Information is power. I can see that Utah lawmakers want to keep their citizens in the dark and powerless. Back to the stone age.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • George

      My wife is a juvenile probation officer in Salt Lake City...This is guaranteed to keep her employed for the near future. Guaranteed to cost the taxpayers more money due to the resources that juvenile sex offenders require, including court time, therapy etc. And no not everyone will become an SO but more will. Perhaps I shouldn't complain about the job security,

      March 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  84. Mark

    Next they'll try to ban rock & roll music as we all know that leads to delinquency and rampant sex amoung the young.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
  85. Hikerstud

    Has aids, std's, and the porn and sex trade increased or decreased since we started teaching sex and making everyone so smart and educated. I know planned paranthood gets rich on tax payer money to teach it and do abortions. In fact the more we all get educated the more wars we seem to have? Yes the smarter we get the less we want to listen to any rules. We know best.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • someGuy

      Actually teen pregnancy rates have hit record lows.

      March 13, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
  86. NuttierThan You

    Utah republicans our gateway to the Dark Ages ...

    March 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  87. EgoSumLamia

    Exactly, because as every parent knows "Just Say No" is going to convince a 16 year old.....

    March 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  88. leftcoast

    I have never understood the political/religious right's fixation on ignorance. What are they so afraid of? A detailed, factual, scientific discussion of sex should be apart of every school curriculum. It should include both "mechanics" and also the "emotional" aspects of sexual relations. Should it include absence? Absolutely! Because that is one option on the scale of risk. But to not teach the other options is irresponsible. Parents by and large either do not want to, or are too embarrassed to talk about sex with their children, so accurate information is not passed on. More irresponsibility. In the end, the legislators of Utah are doing the children of the state a great disservice by passing this bill. It needs to be vetoed.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • someGuy

      It's fear.

      March 13, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
  89. Hikerstud

    Sounds like most are in favor of teaching about sex in school. Like it is the teachers job or focus. I did not know teachers trained for this? Why does Planned parenthood teach it? Has sex increased or decreased with sex education? Teen pregnancy? Aids and STD's? I know abortions have. I think most on this site would like to abort people with morality.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  90. Terry

    it's absurd. While abstinence works, it's very difficult to practice due to the biology of humans. Studies have show that teens who make virgin pledges or contracts are just as likely to engage in pre-marital sex as those who don't make pledges. The adults who make these laws are either senile and have forgotten the urges that they too probably failed to resist or they are hypocrites who think they are fooling the rest of the world.

    March 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  91. hah

    using their logic you can turn invisible simply by closing your eyes

    March 13, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
  92. hah

    using their logic

    March 13, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  93. sdmco

    For a party that touts liberty and personal responsibility, they clearly don't trust people to live informed lives. At least not lives they agree with. When they fail to persuade, they legislate. The war on knowledge continues - unilaterally pursued by the GOP. If we vote them in, we deserve what we get.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  94. Patrick

    White trash Evangelicals strike again!

    Why can't they stay in their trailers ...or better yet, go back to the 1800s, where they belong!!

    March 13, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Karyn

      I am not a religious person and I agree with this bill. I am so tired of the "experts" and those that always believe only the religious are against these teachings. I am a responsible, hard working Mom of 4 and feel it is MY job to provide sex education to my children. A families values are part of these discussions and my children can and do as me anything. Responsible parents provide for all our childrens other needs so why is sex education any different. Why do the
      "experts" assume every child is ready for every discussion at the exact same age, discussions in my home are based on my childs readiness and their questions not their calendar age.

      March 13, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Mark

      Mormons aren't evangelicals. Yep, Mitt Romney, I said it.

      March 13, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      Mormonism isn't recognized as a Christian denomination as most Christians consider it to be a cult.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • derp

      "Mormonism isn't recognized as a Christian denomination as most Christians consider it to be a cult"

      And we atheists consider christianity to be a cult.

      What's your point?

      March 13, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
  95. UTARD

    Porn subscriptions is more prevalent in states that have enacted conservative legislation on sexuality. It is 11 percent higher that other states lol!! Use is also higher :). Utah was named the #No 1 online porn subscribers in 2009 and still is. Ohh pretenders....!!

    March 13, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
  96. Mightymo

    Where did the American religous movement go so terribly wrong?? I think we all expect these sort of irrational decisions from Muslim countries of the middle east, then we blast them for being so backwards and out of step with the "modern" world.
    In any other industrialized nation, they have their religion, but they keep religion in its place and don't allow it to dictate what the poplulace will and won't do. They find a happy mediam between religion and non-religion.
    Then there is the United States. Since the 80's we have lost all sense of reality, and any sense of being a part of the modern industrialized world, and have become more Muslim, and out of step then we like to admit. The American religious movement is no longer happy with being able to believe in their own idea of right and wrong, they want all Americans to believe it with them. To make themselves feel better about it, they have built some lame and untrue story that Athiests are out to destroy their beliefs, which of course is absolutely ridiculous.
    At my age I've seen a lot. I have seen nothing more destructive to this nation and it's people than the loss of unity and oneness that has been introduced by the destructive and devisive influx of religion into our daily lives.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Skeptic1955

      Religion of every kind is the problem...NOT the solution. We don't have to freak out and run away when the sun goes down anymore because we know why it happens. We will never get past our "Type 0" civilization and advance with all the superstitious nonsense detracting everyone from reason and truth.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Jim Rousch

      Where did the religious movement go wrong? Try when it all began.

      March 13, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • tone34

      Seriously, I mean, what are these people thinking? Abstinence is so old-fashioned, complete lunacy. STDs, teen pregnancy, and abortion, well, that's rational thought.

      What is the world coming to, people thinking it's a good idea physically, emotionally, and mentally to perhaps wait until marriage for sex?

      March 13, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
  97. GeorgeF

    My kids' schools teach them not to smoke: it can kill you. Makes sense to teach the same about sex. Fact is, hpv is an epidemic, and thousands upon thousands will die from throat cancer, cervical cancer and likely others not-yet-known-related. Don't forget HIV/AIDS, syphilis, gonorrhea, etc....

    Sex is more dangerous than smoking. Condoms are not effective to stop it. Monogamy and abstinence are the only sure-fire way to stay healthy.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • socalkim

      Sex education serves kids who wait until they get married to have sex. Married couples need to know how to not get pregnant until they're ready to support children. Married people need to understand about STDs in case their partner was sexually active before marriage. Married people need sex education. When and were are they supposed to get it if not at school? Not everyone has an educated family. Not everyone has a computer or even the awareness of what to look for. Sex education serves the public of all ages. It just happens while kids are in school as a matter of convenience and even serves to protect those kids who might be sexually active before YOU prefer it. Knowledge serves humanity.

      March 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • TAK

      If sex is so dangerous, it's a wonder any one of us was ever born.

      March 13, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Charles B

      Abstinence will not, nor will it ever, prevent people from having sex. Sorry, bud.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • M.E.

      Lemme guess, you don't have your kids vaccinated against HPV either. Condoms are extremely effective at stopping diseases and pregnancy, this is a FACT. Overall, sex is a very healthy and normal part of being human, in fact it boosts the immune system, so when done safely it's actually quite beneficial. Keeping your kids away from knowledge will cause far more problems than the harm you think you're keeping them from.

      March 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • someGuy

      condoms are not effective at stopping it? Then why do surgeons bother wearing latex gloves? Please explain this to me.

      March 13, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • le Sigh

      This is why we can't rely on parents to teach kids and do the responsible thing, because this parent is waaaaay off base and is keeping Alcoa's bottom line fat with all the foil hats being made.

      Nobody is suggesting that you tell your kids to go screw everything in sight but they are going to be curious especially when society is pushing sexuality at every turn. Why can't we be rational at this and explain to them how it works instead of censoring them from it or forcing them to go online and read about it and get bad information?

      What's wrong with you?

      March 14, 2012 at 6:40 am |
  98. Richard

    I see the fanatic religious have their eyes fixed on the crotch, as usual. Jeez, I wish they'd grow up already.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  99. Chris

    Put these two together:

    " teachers will not be allowed to inform students...(about) sexual activity outside of marriage"

    "abstinence from all sexual activity before marriage and fidelity after marriage as the only sure methods for preventing certain communicable diseases"

    So, let's say I was a virgin and waited until marriage to have sex. I was never taught by my school or parents about sex outside of marriage, so did not even consider that my newly-wed WIFE is not a virgin and already has contracted an STD. And now I've got one, too.

    Yup, makes sense to me. The less information I have, the better.

    March 13, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • BobCs

      How old are you child? I understand that today there are always tests on both people before they are even issued a marriage license?

      March 14, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
  100. gateway

    I had to google him. I was sure he was a white man in his 70s. And here it is: http://le.utah.gov/house2/detail.jsp?i=WRIGHB

    March 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
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