A teacher in a San Antonio suburb allegedly tells students to hit a 6-yr-old "bully" to show why bullying is bad. From Starting Point with Soledad O'Brien.
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I was bullied in school.....I can remember the names of ALL THE PEOPLE that were involved.....I believe it HAS affected me into adulthood.....maybe I wasn't strong enough to stand up to them, but I don't blame this teacher....probably not the right way to deal with the situation, but maybe SHE was bullied as a child....maybe some issues there.....what do teachers DO in a situation like this???
What's really scary is that all those students actually followed the teacher's instructions. You would think that even at age six, these kids would know better.
have you ever heard of the Milgram experiment? actually, its a rather fascinating (however soul breaking) not at all surprising phenomenon
well....kids want to please their teacher (as I've tried to teach my boys.....to respect their elders) and they would probably just do whatever the teacher says.....they look up to adults and respect them, so whatever they say, it must be the right thing.....
This post is in response to all of the "Why don't teachers do more?" comments. Let me just say this; teachng is the hardest job in the world. On one hand, we just want to teach kids. On another hand, we have to please parents. Parents today, do not want teachers "picking on" their little honeys and take offense to them being disciplined or otherwise embarrased in any way. They will complain to administration about almost anything. That brings another hand into the picture. Most administrators are. afraid – yes, afraid – to take a teacher-supportive stand against parents, so they almost literally "tie teachers' hands" and will not allow then to take "legal" actions against bullys. Our education system in this country has almost become a joke. We're so afraid of damaging a kid's ego or self esteem that we require very little of students. One school system in which I taught would not even allow teachers to require homework for a grade. We were also not allowed to give kids a grade below 50%. What's up with that? A lot is required of teachers with very little support. So, it is unreasonable to expect teachers to handle bullying when, most of the time, the support is not behind them to do so. I am not saying this teacher was right in the way she handled this situation. Quite the contrary. I do see her side, however. She'd probably passed the situation up only to have nothing done about it.
"Teaching is the hardest job in the world" – Really. I better change my mind about these Taliban guys over here then, at least they aren't trying to "teach" me.
SB, I totally agree with you. When I was a child, it took a whole village to raise us. If children did something wrong at school, the teacher and administrator did their part. Then, they would go home and their parents would discipline them. If they did something wrong in the neighborhood, at a friend's house, or a family member's house, they had consequences. As a teacher, my hands are tied and the students just laugh at us or do something intentially knowing nothing will be done. This past year, I was pushed, kicked, called names, yelled at, etc... I would put the child out of the class or send them to the office, only to have them returned. Then, I was questioned to see if I was teaching when the child/children did these things to me. It was reversed. I love children and love teaching. God blessed me with this talent, but I feel used and abused and unappreciated. If every person/parent would go into a school and teach for one week, they would raise our salaries to $100,000 and shower us with gifts. Ok, I've vented and I feel better now. LOL
This is the reason nobody does nothing against bulling. If you don't take action you are just part of it. But if you do take action has to be a soft one. A bully does not care if he has to sit an hour in detention. He will keep bulling the next day. The hard lessons are the one you learn the most from. I am pretty sure the bully is not going to bully no one ever again. Also, the kids there now know that you can stand up against bulling, even if it is violence. The system protects the children and teens way too much. That is why we have so many low self esteem and anti social kids these days. The teachers should be left alone with a warning because at least they did something against bulling. Much too often teachers do nothing. So if you going to punish a teacher for standing up against bulling in a drastic way then you should punish the ones that do nothing about it too.
Although, I don't fully agree with the teachers actions, I am glad someone did something about it. Too many times people dismiss kids behaviour because they are too young to fully understand or that we don't want to do anything that will follow them and ruin the rest of their life. These are bullies! Trouble makers! Deal with them now or you can bet that they will constantly be in and out of the criminal justice system the rest of their life.
Curious G, these are the children that grow up to later abuse their parents, torture them, or try to kill them later. Some parents tell teachers, "When he wants something or doesn't want to do his/her homework, he just pitches a fit!" I don't know what else to do!" " I never learned how do to this in school so how I'm I supposed to help him with his homework?" My solution, we need parenting classes and academic classes for parents in all schools.
At age 6, send him back home to his parents to have to " babysit ". Do not make anybody lay hands on anybody else, EVER ! But she IS doing something ! How about you sit over there and you CAN'T be a part of this class until you deserve to be . Two teachers ?! Can't stop it if you encourage it , or exhibit it yourself ! Confused kids ! How are they to make sense of this when some were forced to strike this child against their own will! I had nuns and priests all through my education. I understood bulling. Good Luck !
"I had nuns and priests all through my education. I understood bulling."
Ah, yes, the good old days!
Ann, I agree. Send the child home, set up a conference, talk with the counselor, etc.. I would never have students to do this to teach a lesson. Parents must teach their child early on about bullying and having compassion for others. I teach Character Ed lessons every morning and off and on throughout the day. It's integrated with every subject as much as possible. Why? Because children today don't respect themselves, others, teachers, administrators or their parents.
The teacher was on the right track but went about it the wrong way. On this most of us can agree. She could have taken the opportunity to teach the class about the justice system. Bring the bully up to the front of the class, ask any victims to speak up against the bully, then ask the bully's friends to speak up for him, then let the rest of the class vote for or against the bully. Do all this with the parents of any of the kids that can attend and the principal and vice-principal present. The principal will protest. The parents will protest. It's up to the teacher to hold her ground and demand of the principal, "The jury's out on the kid. He's guilty of bullying, so what's the punishment going to be?" If the principal doesn't follow through on a guilty verdict, he'll have to answer then and there to the parents of the victims. Then look at the kids and say, "This is how the American legal system works; if you do something wrong, your peers will hold you accountable and you will be punished." Might make the kids consider their actions on a broader scale after that.
Theou – very effective way to handle this situation. It also shows the humiliation of being put in front the justice system, in this example, his peers/fellow students. Handling violence with violence is rarely an effective and acceptable solution.
The use of such a silly term, 'bullying', really downplays the severity of what people are experiencing
at the hands of these people. Children are more and more frequently so distraught and ashamed that
suicide seems a better option than facing another day. We cannot rely on the ignorant parents of these
hooligans to control them, they are clearly failing. The schools MUST be permitted to implement punishment
systems that will deter. It's the same principle we apply to degenerate, reprobate adults. Why would their
spawn be treated any differently.
all fine if you got the bully. but if you didn't then the problem is not resolved. still putting the parents back in control of their kids and away fom their jobs could be the most affective way in this life today. it's that or the court room for the parents.
A teachers job is to educate our children, they don't get paid enough to raise or babysit them. Discipline, respect and morals should be taught by us parents at home. As parents we know what we have at home, but when our children are out of control to the point that they are hurting other children then its time for us to step in and put a stop to it. We must remember that there are 25 to 30 students in the classroom and only one teacher, there is no reason why any teacher should put up with spoil bulling brats. To all of you parents that are bringing-up bullies, I suggest you home school them so that our children will be safe when we drop them off at school.
Parents with bullies for kids never think that they're bullies – or they don't care.
I agree. One problem is kids do not know what the maximum consequence is when you bully. They do not think anything would happen to them and most of this thinking comes from the home. It is so sad because these kids are going to grow up.
Very true! Parents of bullies never think their kids are jerks, even when they are. What the teacher did was wrong. But I sincerely doubt this kid was an 'angel' either, especially when so many kids and the teacher were against him. No one wakes up one day and says 'okay, you're a bully so I'm going to hit you'. Something major had led up to that point. While the teacher should be accountable for her actions, I also hope the error of her ways doesn't excuse that kid.
It's kinda good that our society is now fed up with bullying instead of dismissing it as a trivial matter. The time of a soft slap on the wrist is over, especially after that horrible 'Making the Bus Monitor Cry' video popped up. Schools need to take more disciplinary action against bullies and parents needs to be more accountable for raising their kids. My parents were no-nonsense people who made SURE I suffered the consequences for my actions. As a result, I mind my manners and treat others as I would like to be treated today.
The teacher should never have used violence to resolve the situation. Period. And for those who call the victims of bullying "little pukes," shame on you. Teachers need better training, and administrators need to take bullying seriously.
So does parents! They don't believe anything teachers tell them about their kids. Have an open mind and investigate. Remember you kid could get into something you can't get them out of and that is scary enough.
I think it should all go back to the parents we did make and mold them to our liking. Remove these children from public school and public transportation .I don't think it will take very long for a parent having to pay for school and transporting them to school on there own to get these children in line with what is acceptable in our society.
perfect the sckoll is for the teachers to teach kids the books., not the ropes at the ring .that's what the courts and parents are for.
The other students should not have hit the bully. The bully needs to be paddled.
Having 24 children hit another child is terribly wrong. The 6 year old bully could have been hurt seriously. If the parents knew about the situation prior to the incident they could have and should have talked to school authorities and have the parents of the bully held responsible. If the victim's parents had known what was going on, they could have told him to fight back. Most bullies will not bother someone who fights back. It doesn't matter who wins. Bullies do not like getting hit. The class could have also "shunned" the bully by turning their backs to him. Ostracizing the bully would have a deep impact. There are ways to deliver a punch without punching.
I agree that this should have never happened.
A good teacher will pay attention to what their students are involved in, outside of the curriculum they are teaching. She failed the moment there was a "class" bully, she failed again when violence was her only recourse.
If she was aware of the bullying than her moment to help that student passed long ago. She had the opportunity to show, with her own actions, that there are other ways of dealing with problems and people than violent outbursts.
Get real why do these things always fall on teachers. Where are their parents? I think she should of used 5lb book to crack that little bully over the head.
NO! This "teacher" was way out of line and what you suggest is just as bad. The teacher should have called in that child's parents and talked to them about what was going on. Then the teacher TEACHES good behavior, rewarding the good and correcting what is wrong. Stronger discipline measures should be used when necessary, but they must be appropriate. Please also remember what this woman did (I can't call her a teacher) may have taught other students to be just as bad – if not worse- than Aidan was, IF he was actually guilty of what he was accused.
See you don't know what actions she had taken prior and they did not work. If she had reported to the parents and the administration and it just got swept under the rug, she might had reached her limit. Remember she is human......This type of behavior is so distracting in the classroom and when you inform the parent, they would sometimes would turn the table and say other kids were bothering their kids. Teaching is very hard. Not enough support from administration and parents.
You are so out of reality. Let me tell you something, sonce you were obviously NEVER bullied. The teacher CANNOT watch all kids at the same time, and it is so easy to "get your licks in" on those rare occasions when you DO stand up for yourself. I know, I was bullied nearly every day of school. I have been tripped, hit, assaulted, chocked, body-slammed, gut punched, kicked in the groin, and verbally abused... all within sight and earshot of school officials. The secret? easy, bully some other kid into distracting the teachers.... the PARENTS failed by not putting the fear of consequences into that brat. Mostly in this case because there is apparently no father figure to show this punk how to be a real man.
The teacher was on the right track but went overboard on this. She should've handled it more about teaching the kids to stick up for themselves and each other. I was bullied my entire life by an older brother and some of the neighborhood boys. My mom finally told me I need to learn to stick up for myself and my dad helped me learn how to throw a punch. First time I stood up for myself against my brother was the most amazing feeling. The flood gates were opened.....
The neighborhood kids finally left me alone, too. Especially after 5th or 6th grade when one of the biggest bullies punched me in the face. I chased him down and beat the pulp out of him – while some of the teachers stood back and let me. He stopped bullying just about everyone after that. Then I learned to stand up for my friends, too.
We took all the power away from teachers a long time ago and now the same people who were behind that are the ones screaming that they're not doing anything about the trouble makers.
I'm not sure I agree with the teacher's methods, but there is some merit in humiliating the bully.
One well-known bully in HS would not leave me alone. He punched me in the stomach one day in the crowded hallway, and I instinctively hit him back. He was shocked. But shock turned into humiliation when I got the best of him and he tried to escape. Other students – taunting him all the while – kept pushing him back to me to pummel. He never bothered me again.
I agree with you. You did the right thing. As a teacher myself, I attempt to stop any bullying, and I have told kids to hit back before, only after I have tried other interventions (and referral to the office). The number one thing a parent says when their kid is a problem is that they weren't aware of their child being a problem. Well, D-U-H that's the reason your child is a problem, because you aren't aware of the child's actions!!!!!!
That was NOT the right thing to do. We don't know if the kid really was a bully, or even if he was the low one on the totem pole that everyone else liked to pick on and point fingers at. That teacher may have made things much, much worse.
So SHE'S wrong because WE dont know all the details as an internet society. Yea. You make sense.
Have a bully discussion with the class and ask them what they think is an appropriate consequence for kids who bully to various degrees. Get the PTA to start a separate bully committee. Hold evening meetings with parents to get their perspectives so that they can have a say in the prevention and consequences. Send letters to all families, since many will not attend the meeting. Everyone should get involved in this growing concern.
We can argue all day what was right... The real question is, Did he bully anyone else and will he ever in her prescence again? We bomb targets in war to prevent bombing, but can't bully the bully to prevent bullying? What would be his punishment otherwise? A vacation from school.
I can't say whether she was right because I'm not perfect, but if it stops him from tormenting kids in the future, it worked. Stop being so sensitive.
The teacher did the right thing.
U are all sick the bully was only six and to get hit over 24 times that makes the teacher a much worse bully for doing that to rhe child
Wow he was only six Soooo What! if his parents raised him right he would not be bullying anyone. He would be normal like rest of the kids. I think that teachers should be able to punish kids in school. Also, make other kids beat on any kid that is a bully and let him feel the pain.
What would Jesus do? He said "turn the other cheek". Those of you who say the teacher did right must not be Christians.
Jesus also levitated in the air, talked to someone as a burning bush, enabled a man to split an entire sea, and came back from the dead. The Bible is just another story book like Humpty Dumpty, without the pictures.
What do Christians do? Despise all other religions, hate gays, and consider all other ways of life as an abomination... Ya lets go ahead and listen to Christianity
I am sorry that the so called Christians that get media attention have poisoned your outlook on who Jesus really was. Those who hate are not true followers of Jesus Christ.
Be careful how you talk about Jesus Christ...You will face him someday! I hope you're ready...
Derrek said: "What do Christians do? Despise all other religions, hate gays, and consider all other ways of life as an abomination... Ya lets go ahead and listen to Christianity"
Here is what Christians should be doing:
Matthew 5:43: "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (NIV)
Mark 12:31: "love your neighbor as yourself" (NIV)
Christians who do not do these things do not reflect the love of Jesus and therefore act in error.
God, in the bible, also said to commit genocide: kill every man, woman, and child to take the promised land. The bible isn't necessarily the perfect moral compass. It's much better this bully learns his lesson as a child then grow up this way.
And who cares what Christians "should" do. It's America in 2012, the most sinful/backstabbing/immoral nation ever devised, these little religion games don't fix things anymore. You can thank the media for that. This bullying issue will never stop as long as these fat, dumb, medicated kids keep staying inside and watching TV and playing video games all day instead of interacting with others and playing outside. And that's attributed to this wonderful parenting nowadays...
My initial reaction was to say "you got that straight; I'm agnostic and the teacher did the right thing", but on second thought, you're incorrect. The bible is full of examples glorifying and encouraging vengeance and retribution; and eye for an eye and all that. So the teacher definitely did what god would do. And Jesus is God, too, right?
An eye for an eye is the law in the Old Testament. Jesus brought a new law in the New Testament...love your neighbor as yourself.
Most texans aren't.
What's your point?
He never said what happens after the other cheek gets smitten either.
Anyone who had been bullied would most likely approve of what the teacher did. As we all learned from Jesus and a lot of people who'd been bullied, he who turns the other check often ends up dead. I think 29 punches to prevent someone in the future from commit suicide over his bullying is a small price to pay.
ummmm, you need to really read the WHOLE bible before you spout off with common-sense wisdom taken to a ridiculous extreme. It is the responsibility of a Christian to not return violence. It is also shown in the bible that God did indeed establish authority over people partly in order to impersonally arbitrate and PUNISH wrong-doing. Sometimes with violence. I am not defending the teacher or condemming her. I am talking only to YOU, Madelyn. Don't weigh in on a discussion unless you have all your facts straight.
The teacher made a terrible decision! The boy's parents should have been called in for a conference about their son's bullying other students. That would have been the best start to handling the problem, but as a former teacher myself I know that some parents refuse to take responsibility for their children's behavior. They get into the blaming game and defend their child's actions. So frustrating to deal with parents who are in denial. Sometimes the only cure for a bully is a good butt whipping by another kid (I've witness many) but never did I orchestra one.
The parents always say their child is not a bully...but the children often pick up these behaviors from watching behaviors at home.
I would love the Brainiacs here that have a problem with what happened to define a solution. We see how effective all the anti-bullying campaigns are. They're laughed at.
Punish the kid by having him stand in the corner? He'll be fine with that, he does not have to work. Shame him in the class? Fine, he likes being the center of attention. Hit him? You go to jail. Yell at him? You lose your teaching job.
Public schools HAVE to teach these slobs, its the law. And YOUR kid has to suffer the consequences–lost time and distraction from class, or being injured himself.
We don't like the facts of society. I was bullied horribly. It never, ever stopped, not with parental involvement, not with suspensions of the kids who only came back, and angered other kids because you "squealed". The ONLY thing these people understand is being beat. I hit so many people my senior year, when I finally stood up for myself. You'd laugh at how many never struck back, looked at me with a surprised look, and said "Why did you do that!". Cowards all.
Tom – make the parents legally required to come to the school within a few hours of an incident to pick up their kid for the day. The additional pressure on parents from their office and the threat of losing their job to deal with a kid who cannot behave themselves at school will force the parents to address the issue.
Andrew, I agree with you. I had several bullies in the neighborhood when my kids were young. The only ones that the parents actually did anything to correct their behavior where the ones I marched to their parents front door and addressed it publically. The kid wants the attention that comes from being a bully. The parents however do not.
that's the best to do. make the parents embarasd and when that don't work , then rid the school of the kid. then the parents have to deal with them
I was in the same situation and agree completely. My kids are taking jiu-jitsu lessons, and I'm teaching them that they should never start a fight, but should always finish one.
Amen to that – it 's exactly what I told my boys, and neither of them ever picked a fight (at school) – but they weren't picked on much either. One round with a Hamilton was usually enough for anyone....
What if he wasn't really the bully? Another kid being a bully would know to blame him for something he didn't do. They might have just been beating up some innocent kid for nothing, and you'd just go right along with it, not caring for any further information.
that's what bring in the parents are for . bring it to a hault or both go. under the correct parenting you will get to the bully
Love a good Bully Beatdown. Need more teachers like this protecting our kids and putting bullies on the recieving end of there abuse. Otherwise you end up with middle school punks like the ones abusing an old lady on a school bus. They're disgusting! Check out our future bullies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l93wAqnPQwk
Sorry. I believe the San Antonio teacher was misguided. I favor consequences for bad behavior, but with young children we have opportunities to shape them in more life-affirming ways. We call these teachable moments. As an elementary school teacher working with a challenging population, I came up with a whimsical response to bullying that I created with students and staff at my school in Madison, Wisconsin. Take a look.
Of course the mother would say her son wasn't a bully. Most parents don't perceive things their child does to be wrong.
This is what a nun would do... and, in most instances, this kid would never dare bully anyone in this class again.
Not the nuns I had. They'd have you hold your hands out and smack the crap out of them with a yardstick. If you didn't comply they locked you in a room and called your parents to come get you, for good.
Good for the nuns!
It is worth noting that the majority is not always correct.
... and it doesn't matter because they are the majority.
This teacher is a hero. She should be given the keys to the city and at the same time, that little 6 year old puke should be run out of town.
Like so many stories, this one is woefully incomplete. First, how is it that this little angel was "perceived" to be a bully? How many "alleged" incidents occurred before this desperate and disastrous event occurred?
Regarding the event itself, the teacher's object lesson is one we use all the time. If you have some bad person, then you team up with the rest of society and strike back. The world is full of strong, aggressive, antagonistic individuals who can ONLY be stopped by group action. The political nature of schools nowadays prevents the expulsion of such darlings, so things have to be handled by jungle methods. Sorry; I don't like it either. But look what's happening around the world. Bullies on a larger scale can only be pulled down by society. And that happens after a long time and not very effectively. This teacher made several mistakes; one mistake was officially recognizing what we want pretend doesn't happen.
By the way, a six-year-old can very well be a bully. I was a six-year-old, and I was at the receiving end of bullying from time to time.
Sadly, the only thing a bully understands, is another bully.
Did you ever consider that the lesson being taught is NOT that bullying is bad, but rather that it's OK to beat up a bully as long as you have overwhelming force? How the heck do you think gang warfare gets started?
Teachers are supposed to teach and protect ALL of their students. When something goes on too long the best of persons start to act with emotion rather than logic. Teacher tip of the day: Don't let behavior continue until you become overwhelmed. Deal with the small stuff before it gets out of control. It sounds like this six year old needs some help in handling emotions or conflict. It could be that he behaves the way he does because he has been a victim of bullying or life had dealt him an unfair hand. This calls for a focus on help not punishment although he certainly needs a better choice of consequences.
The teachers intentions were not good, they were cruel. Even if the kid was a bully, that's not how to appropriately correct it. The entire exercise was mentally unhealthy and she should not be allowed to work with children again. This is not about coddling or retribution, society or "growing a pair," it's about what works with small children, and that wasnt it.
This teacher obviously has an anger management problem, same as many of the posters in this thread. There are simply too many rats in the cage anymore, and it is particularly this kind of thind of thinking–the kind which makes twenty-six bullies out of one and believes it to be a good thing–that is responsible. We have created a society which is turning out the nut cases in droves this way. Our public schools aren't about education, never were; they are more about keeping us all in sync. So, there is a sense in which this teach has served the system well. "Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school." –Einstein
Yes, it is soooooo horrible to teach children to band together and stand up against being abused. It is also horrible to teach the bully that if you abuse others, they may band together and turn the tables on you.
Let's just tell the bully to use his "inside voice" and his "inside fists" and later on, his "inside armed robbery".
Let's give him a time out...which he won't stand for, and then give him a time out for not taking his time out. And then we'll give him a third time out for not sitting in the previous two time outs. And then when he's an out of control rage-filled teenager that won't follow any rules because he knows that you won't EVER enforce anything, you can just give him to the State, where *I* get to pay for your tree-hugging failure to teach a child to respect others.
I had to pull my children out of public school because every year, they got worse. I went to a choir concert and saw the 8th graders publicly taunting and cursing at their choir teacher, and that was it. No more public school for my kids. I can't unpoison them in the few hours I get with them each night, after they spend all day in school with thugs and drugs.
They fear NOTHING now. This is the product of touchy-feely inner child psycho babble that commonly comes from people who don't even have children! You people are high-fiving each other as our youth are getting more and more violent.
What this teacher did was teach a few dangerous lessons. First, she taught the kids that being in a gang is acceptable and justified. She showed this by instructing them to each take turns hitting him. This is what gangs do. Second, she taught them that physical violence is justifiable. Third, she taught the bully that might makes right, something he will be sure to get better at as he ages. Finally, she taught them that adults are not really there to guide and protect you. Certainly, the bully himself will not be able to trust anyone else in authority.
So, she basically taught him how the world works for the vast majority of individuals?
You are exactly right; most individuals in the world have to live with bullies. I don't think the teacher should have lined the class up like she did and have them hit the bully–that being said, it is a lesson the student(s) will not soon forget. Unfortunately this is the way the world works. My daughter was bullied by the boys in our neighborhood when she was about 7 and so she socked one of them in the stomach so hard he started crying. The boys never bothered her again. Of course it helped that she was a gymnast and had a lot more strength for a child of 7 than most. A few years later when she was in 6th grade a kid in her classroom was poking her and the other two students in her group with the pointy end of a compass. She kicked him so hard under the desk in his leg that he put his head down and started crying. He never poked anyone in her group again.
The mother says that her son isn't a bully and that they never had any problems with him. Thats what every parent says.
I will go out on a limb and say that I am positive that this isn't the first incident with this kid. I mean no one resorts to something like that unless a patern had developed.
I think the teacher had good intentions but it probably wasn't the best course of action. Personally I don't have a probloem with it. When my kid was being bullied I had numerous conversations with the teachers and after school monitors. Nothing changed so I instructed my kid to hit back harder. He did and then the school had the nerve to give him demerits. That didn't sit well and I had to put the principal in here place. Funny thing is we never had any more problems.
So what you're saying is that if someone does something to me I should up the ante? And what's the limit? Should I decide myself? Because I have a license to carry a firearm. The only bully in this story is the teacher. I wish a teacher would tell someone to hit my 7 yr old daughter.
You "wish" someone would goad you into an emotional and potentially violent altercation while you are carrying a concealed weapon?
I'm pro-gun and I'm pro carry but you definately shouldn't have a license if you are wishing for a reason to pull out your weapon.
Folks like you give anti-carry groups a good argument.
Well, aren't you the hero? You sound like one of those parents who influence their children to be bullies and then are astonished when they are. Would you pull a gun on the teacher?
I think the theacher had good intentions, but perhaps not the most sensible approach to address the issue.
What this sitution really shows is the eminent need to establish a school protocol on how to prevent, quickly identify, and how to take remedial action on bullying cases. I know this doesn't sound right, but I rather have a kid publicly scolded so they could learn their lesson than a kid dead (because of bullying and because no one stopped the bully).
Has anyone really thought about the entire picture of parents , teachers ,students ,the real position they have been given?
Today most adolescents are aware that regardless of what they might say or do , that should an adult use an even mild form of physical ,the adolescent can merely tell authorities their parents or teachers or whatever adult leaders hit or punished them in a severe manner. GUESS WHAT? the authorities usually side with the poor , innocent ,child being misunderstood and nobody listens to them . PERFECT EXAMPLE! majority of druggies get kids under age to sell or carry the drugs , IF caught , the juvenile gets lip service and probation at he worst . ANYONE SEE A LACK of FAMILY
As an educator I can tell you bullying is very difficult to stop. It never happens when adults are looking. With no witnesses, the school can't do anything. The bully's parents always side with their child who says nothing happened. What we need is to have monitors everywhere, and currently there isn't enough money to provide that. More couselors to help children learn how to deal with bullies would help too.
I do not believe in hitting to solve a problem. I do feel bad for the 6 year old boy who clearly has learned this behavior somewhere. Remember, parents in our society ARE a child's first teacher. I'd like to know who his parents are and how they are accountable. I am a teacher myself with children of my own. I take full responsibility for each of my children's actions. A child is not born a bully... it is learned from his experiences. Raising kids is the biggest endeavor that life has to offer. Parents need to be better teachers.
The kid should have slapped that ho.
How's prison life treating you? Did I see you on Lockup?
A 6 yr old should not be considered a bully!! This is just a kid who has anger issues and has not been properly taught how to deal with this at home. Frustration in a 6yr old is a very powerful emotion when you have no way at that age to rationalize and deal with it. This is not a Teacher this is someone who prescribes to Mob Mentality and should be stripped of whatever minimal credentials she may possess!!
I am so tired of hearing about "bullying" and even more ridiculous is "cyber-bullying". I was "bullied" as kid because I was the smallest kid in class for years. In my day (I sound like an old fart at 49 !) bullying was considered part of growing up and learning to take care of yourself. You had friends that stick up for you and/or you ran away. Learn to adapt to deal with people who act like jerks. THEY ARE everywhere in life especially as ADULTS. People DO NOT change when they grow up. Some learn to cover their jerky ways, other expand and relish their idiocy. (NOTE-perfect example: watch the first "Back to the Future" Movie.) Some bullies become CEOs and some end up in jail. Some do both. But they never change. Learn to deal with them NOW as childrena dn you will be fine in life. Stop coddling the so-called "victims". Cyberbullying is even more idiotic. Just turn off your electronics and get a life. Get off the internet. Kill Facebook, Twitter and so on. GET A LIFE.
I'm with you 100%! I have debated this online dozens of times, reminding other posters that they are living in a neighborhood with ex- school bullies. Everyone on the board seems to relate to the "victim", but with thousands of responses, there must be atleast some percentage of people who WERE bullies when they were younger, but can't see it for what it really was and consequently think nothing of it now.
Oh my gosh THANK YOU. Someone seems to understand. Yeah, I was 'bullied' by kids at school, too. I had an older brother, too. So yeah i took some gruff when i was younger. Then I grew up to have social skills, and leanred to fight back, and got good at stuff. People then stopped bullying me and I made a lot of friends by the time I was like in the second grade. Quit coddling these little pukes and let them deal with it. Sure, no one wants to see their kid get bullied, but you have to teach them to deal with it by ignoring it or whatever. There's a line we need to draw- and not with punishing the kids (not saying i totally disagree with this teacher's actions), but teaching them to deal, hit back, run awam ignore it, or make clever comments. I'm so tired of hearing about 'Bullying' and 'cyber bullying' too. It's all BS.
Hate to tell you this, but bullying has changed. I agree that for most, bullying is a rite of passage, but in many cases we are seeing a rise in violent style bullying, and the pack mentality of bullying. Yes, a kid at 6 can learn to be bully if he is not steered in another direction. As already stated by many professionals, the teaching begins at home, but if your parents are not watchfull, (or in many cases your day care provider) your kid can turn into a bully before you realize it.
Sorry but I think you're wrong. There is no way that this was an isolated incidnet. The bully had more than likely been acting out for quite some time in order for an educator to feel that this was needed.
I applaud her, too bad the other one couldn't keep her mouth shut.
When I was 6-7 yrs. old a bully hit me up for a nickel or dime everyday until one day I had enough. He threatened me I turned and slapped him across the face that made him spin. He never bothered me or anyone else again. Matter of fact he became a friend.
So much for bullies.
I had a stepson who was bullied in school. Nothing was ever done to stop it by the district. When he entered Jr. High I told him to fight back, as he was a stocky boy. I took him in to the vice principals office and told the principal my son was instructed to fight back. They could handle it however they wished at school, but at home all he would get would be a "good job". The bullying ended emmediately. This teacher tried to do something that only a parent should decide, and only for their student.
I wonder when or if we (as a collective society) will ever realize that we need to design specific courses for each grade level that focuses on problem resolution. Nothing feels better than having a formula for dealing with a specific problem. Instead, we seem to all gravitate towards this mindset that things will somehow work out in the end or we re thinking our lucky stars that the bully isn't focusing his/her belligerence on us. The trouble is, the pervibial "bully" doesn't vanish when grade, middle, or high school ends. In fact, the bully is wait for us all virtuall every other facet of our lives (i.e. used car salesman, bosses, co-workers, bill collectors). Without really moving beyond the acedemic therories of how to deal with bullies or any other social menaces, we're merely going to witness the follies of misguided fools as they attempt to nagivate this mine field on their own. This teacher is a good example of a brave fool who is obviously ill equipt to deal with the situaiton and there's plenty more of that to come...I have no doubt.
Just a thought...
I agree with Calalily. The kids in my school did not like me and would make things up to tell the teachers. They would gang up and it would be my word against five or six other kids.... of course I would always be punished for it and I had done nothing wrong. This is terrible..... really sad....
It's difficult to turn the tables on someone when the table is round.
????????????????????????????? What The Heck does that even mean????????????????????
I think it means either that we all have the potential to be bullies, OR that if the bullied fight back, they're punished for it....take your pick.
...and maybe as punishment for the teacher, we should line up all the adults in the school and have them slap her face to show her how irresponsible her actions were.
I don't think she should be puished at all.
We are taking the word of the teacher that the kid was a bully. She may have just not liked the kid. I had a teacher in 3rd grade who every year picked one student to abuse the whole year and that year I was it. Admin knew, other teachers knew and did nothing to save me. The other kids would make up stuff to tell her just to see me get paddled or not allowed recess or whatever punishment she felt like metting out. I was put in a cloak closet (mid-west-closet for coats and boots) for three solid weeks once for showing another student the cat claw on the bottom of my new shoes. One of the teachers down the hall lived two doors over from us and finally told my mother about the abuse I was suffering, but damage already done. Those kids and the other teachers in that school felt I had done something to deserve this teacher's wrath and it followed me all thru middle and high school (the opinions of the kids). So, what I am saying is don't necessarily take the word of a teacher who not only allowed the abuse of a six year old, but perpetrated it. A good teacher would have been able to communicate to a six year old that his behavior was not acceptable and then would redirect this energy into a more desirable behavior.
A teacher being the bulling sure is showing a good example. I'm sure all the kids now understand hitting is not he answer, since they were lined up to do so.
This was not the right tact.I was bullied as a child, but later realized in life that they come in all forms and for different reasons.One of my bullies i later learned in life bullied because he was being molested by his uncle and that was his only outlet from hopelessness..Others are abused at home.Lining up students to hit him instead getting to the core of what the problem is is not better then the tactics of the bully
I don't get how people say that the teacher did the right thing? This was clearly the WRONG thing. I'm going to stop the bully by bullying the bully. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Also, there were no reports of this kid being a bully? So essentially the teacher decided to have the kids, even the non-violent kids, act violently to make a point. The teacher should be fired and probably will face criminal charges. Something tells me that the parents are going to sue the heck out of the school for this one and win big time. Nothing like winning a major lawsuit to teach a bully..........get a grip people. Send the kid home and make the parents take a day off of work each time. That will quickly solve the bullying problem.
I was bullied for years as a kid, until one day, I won a fight that I did not want or start. From that day on, the bullying from all the other bullies, and there were several, stopped. I'm not sure having a single teacher impose this penalty on the bully is right, though. I'd rather see it as a publicly displayed school policy. What I think might work a little better is to force the bully to be the personal servant of the bullied kid for a period of time, and to have this imposed on them by the school administration. Where the bully has to address the bullied as "sir" or "miss," carry his or her books, stick up for them to all the other bullies, etc. If this doesn't stop the bullying, including that done outside of school, then either expel the bully or force him or her to do the servant bit all over again, only this time with a parent or guardian in tow. Maybe if someone lost some work time as a result of their kid's behavior, something would get done. I agree that many of these kids are basically bullied at home, but that's no excuse for them to do it to someone else. They don't have to like everybody, but they do have to learn respect.
I'm a former teacher, and I'm inclined approve of the teacher's actions – bully gets his just rewards, etc. However, we don't always impart the lessons that we intend – instead of teaching this kid "how it feels", we are teaching him that violence is the solution to the problem. Maybe he'll figure that he needs a stick next time, or a gun. Where to bullies learn their tricks? He's probably already being bullied at home, so he already knows how it feels. There a lot of more effective ways to discipline kids, that they hate way more than being hit. Non violent discipline does not equal "soft", and is much more effective in changing behavior.
I was bullied from 3rd grade for years. Can still name all of my tormentors. I finally hit one of them in 8th grade in the face as he was doing his thing to me on the stairwell at school. I had never punched anyone before. He looked stunned. He ran away and NEVER bothered me again. I felt empowered and emboldened and as I physically outgrew other students, I always defended the little guy. Those bullies in their perverse way, turned me into their nemisis.
I like this, great job.
What this teacher did was horrible. She had 24 students hit this 6yr old as hard as they could. What concerns me is that children who are bullies at such a young age need help. By hurting them physically will NOT help the bullying situation. Remember we are talking about a 6yr old little boy NOT a teenager. He is acting out the way he is because of a reason. I agree the teacher should have lost her job. It's not up to her to teach such a lesson. Hopefully if the 6yr old little boy is a bully, he gets help. Yes there are some bullies out there that are mean and nasty just because. But a majority of them are acting out because of personal issues: abuse at home, learning disabilities, emotional disabilities, etc.... that is why when a child so young is labeled as a "bully" the cause needs to be determined so the problem can be fixed for the long term.
WRONG! You are an example of the coddled, self-important, feel-good mindset. A bully getting his clock cleaned may be the catalyst for a life-changing moment.
Sitting around and talking to him as you would do will do NOTHING. We already have done that touchy-feely junk you espouse and we STILL have bullies. Time for something new. Strap on a pair and man-up and deal with it, stop being a lemming.
betcha that problem is solved, for good.
i like that. that is why bring in the parents means so much. a lot can be told from the parents, and which way the situation needs to be handeled
There is a sense in which life is dangerous and we may not always be there to protect our weaker members of society. Yes, bullying is bad, and there are natural and logical consequence involved. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people in the world, and I would prefer my children to learn how to deal with bullies on their own. Our educators should not be required to be nannies for our kids as well.
@Kim Richard Smith
I completely disagree with you. When I send my 5 year old to school, like all the good parents in here who cares about their kids, I expect them to be taken care of and safe. At this age, I expect the teachers to be their educators, their role models, and their nannies; to teach them right from wrong and to punish and reward them just as I do when she's at home. How could anyone suggest that a 6 year old learn to deal with bullies on their own when a some teens deal with it by taking their own lives?
did'nt say to let them take care of theselves. call in the parents. these days tou can't do a whole lot. if the kid is a bully then something can be fixed.because the teacher is there to teach not to babysit
This teacher did the right thing. Wish more people would step up.
That is certainly typical American thinking ... sort of like bombing for peace, cutting down the trees to protect the forest, and screwing for virginity.
why do suppose putting themm in a boxing ring
It's about time!
I agree with Jose. My son gets bullied at his elementary school. When I spoke with the teacher at the before and after school program where this occurred she did absolutely nothing about it. This went on for three years. I'll bet the kid in San Antonio will think twice about bullying again. I stand behind the teacher in San Antonio. Enough of these pansy administrators and their soft bullying policies. Little wonder we have tragedies like Columbine H.S. and countless others that will occur.
THE TEACHER DID THE CORRECT THING..WE ALL TALK ABOUT BULLIES AND NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT IT....THAT TEACHER DID THE CORRECT THING...GOOD FOR HER..
I agree with you, I think the teacher did the right thing. Sometimes lessons are learned the hard way, it seems these parents couldn't teach their child not to bully.