June 21st, 2012
05:58 PM ET

What would you do with a mean kid?

What would you do if you learned your kid was a bully?

In Greece, New York, parents of middle school students who taunted a 68-year-old bus monitor saw it happen on a video that went viral; it captured students hurling insults, threats of physical and sexual assault at Karen Klein. One comment she couldn't ignore referenced Klein’s son, who committed suicide a decade ago.

Middle schoolers bully bus monitor, 68, with stream of profanity, jeers

Police and the school district where the incident took place are publicly grappling with how best to discipline the students involved. Meanwhile, the CNN community has weighed in on Facebook and on CNN.com about what they would do if their own kids were the culprits in such an intense case of cruelty.

Some commenters on CNN.com felt students’ threats rose to the level of harassment and police action should be taken. Some comments are edited for clarity.

One kid actually said that if he would stick a KNIFE in her, it would be like cutting through butter. That is a THREAT. It went beyond teasing to actually touching her, threatening her with bodily injury through a weapon and sexual assault. They should all be charged as adults. Their parents should be responsible. They are raising animals. And the parents should be forced to take parenting classes and boot camp.

 The harassment and threats should be punished legally.  In addition, that big chunk of community service is warranted but I would add that there is a "supervisory clause" and that a parent must be present and participate in all of the hours with their little darlings.  Since it is the end of the school year, they should be banned from riding the bus for the first month of school in the fall.  Failure to attend/get to school in that time frame means more service hours for mom/dad/miscreant.  I am all for a parental boot camp.

BinaryTruth, Truth can be found in logical, rational thinking. 
 Bullies will stop when they face actual consequences for their behavior. It really is that simple.

Michael Cox 
It's called harassment and it is a crime and the ones that said they wanted to sexually assault her could be charged with more.  I would personally give them all 1,000 hours of community service and have their parents write her a letter of apology that they would have to publicly read for what their teenagers did since they haven't taught them any discipline or manners.

Kevin Huan Le 
I don't give a crap how old they are, I've been angry for the past two days since I've seen the video.
 I hope they suffer in prison and get charged as adults for such verbal tormenting to a senior.
You just do not make fun of death.

On Facebook, many felt society shoulders the blame for kids behavior, but the responsibility to teach respect starts at home.

Joseph R Kramer This is a direct result from a change in our society and parenting. I am only 28, but I can remember when I was a kid and was disrespectful to anybody I paid for it when I got home. Beating these kids is not the answer...but it is next to impossible to teach kids any sort of respect with the way things are now in the schools and what they are watching on TV or finding online. I blame the parents and a majority part of society, these kids will just laugh at punishment.

Sue-z M. Tatum What is wrong with this generation? Wow, these parents need to sit these little brats down and tell them...how it was back in the day, and show some respect...UNREAL!!!

Anna Foss Moore That's ridiculous, if any of those were my kids I'd spank them. Thankfully I've raised my kids to be more respectful and also to be kind. Parents these days have got to figure it out and learn to actually discipline they're kids, otherwise you're just raising a bunch of spoiled little brats who think they're special and should instead be in jail where at least the only other ones they hurt or others just like them.

Marie N Pierre Thank God, my kids will never do that... I raised them too well. They need a better education and better parenting to help these kids! They have too much freedom. Please educate your kids! Raise them well so tomorrow they be a productive citizen... Please parents be responsible!!!

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  1. Andrew W

    What happens to Bullies when they grow up???

    I had a bully beat me up outside the gate at San Leandro High School for no reason... Pummeled me... I reported it to the office... Nothing happened.

    The next thing I heard about Stewart Alexander years later (aka. the Sausage King) was that he had killed two federal FDA food inspectors at the sausage factor he inherited from his dad. He was on California's San Quinten Death Row until his poor-health death a few years later.

    So… What becomes of these kids who bully? They can easily become everything that Stuart Alexander became. (Or, Mitt Romney, who also had a bullying session, for that matter.)

    June 22, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  2. Steve

    These kids apology would be an empty one to Ms. Klein so they shouldn't even waste her time. They have done enough damage to her well being for one lifetime. These totally disrepectful, spoiled brats should perform community service alongside their self-centered parents. They should work in senior homes and cemetaries for a very long time. I also agree that they should be banned from all extra curricular activities for the remainder of their school life. This incident reinforces why I would never teach in schools these days, even though I have a degree in education. I grew up old school where discipline was firm and you respected everyone first and foremost. I was not exempt from a whack on the behind if I did something wrong. That is the problem with kids these days. This "time out" approach does not do kids much good since they do not feel the consequences of their inappropriate actions, thanks to all the psychobabble parents are taught these days on how to raise their kids. We reap what we sow.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  3. SK

    I totally agree with the bullying issue regarding Mitt Romney. Here we have a man who, in a gang, held down a boy who was all alone and cutt off his hair simply becasue he was different than the others. Then, on top of it, we have Mitt Romney initiailly trying to deny it. Then when he could no longer LIE about it, he tried to say he didn't remember doing it. Really Mitt? You didn't remember holding down a crying kid and CUTTING OFF HIS HAIR? That would make you an idiot.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
  4. Gary Golden

    This all comes down to parenting or shall I say the lack of good parenting. As far as punishment for the kids I agree a verbal apology along with community service where all they do is work for or with older people and one of the parent should be responsible for supervising the work that they do.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  5. sos

    Toss the teacher out for not being able to stand up to the kids. She should not be doing that job if she cannot handle the pressure. A grown woman crying like a baby over taunts from a bunch of 13 year olds. She should have gotten up and slapped one of the kids across the face ... oh wait .. the liberals would then be all over that .... DAMMNED LIBERALS!!

    June 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      sos....I suspect you are a parent of a bully. Remember, bullies are rarely successful life. Romney is one of the few exceptions to that rule.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
      • SK

        So true! They usually end up in prison. In Romney's case his family had enough money to hide his nasty behavior. Now he has a shot at running the country... in to the ground!

        June 22, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • SK

      SOS- Obviously your the parent of a bully or a bully your self, or both. Just keep your mouth shut, your reason this country is in the mess it is, NOT THE LIBERALS!

      June 22, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
  6. Gigi50

    The apologies from those kids were shallow and insincere. Obviously they know that empty words allow them to get away with murder. If Mrs. Klein had raised her voice or a finger I'm sure the parents would have been screaming
    " my darling innocent baby was abused. Pay us millions for damages"

    June 22, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
  7. Russ

    Don't bet on your kid not joining in on an attack. It becomes pack behavior, and even the good kids will hurl insults to be "cool" in the eyes of their friends. That is how many group attacks happen. One or two people start it, then the others join to be seen as part of the group. It has to be stopped in the very beginning. In this case, the woman should have spoken out against the kid who started it and followed up with a report to the Principal.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  8. David

    I've read enough comments to deduce that 99% of the stupid over the top punishment suggestions are comming from angry non-parents! You know who you are and just stop with your vitriol criticism. If you are a parent, chime in on the converstation. If you are not a parent, read but stay out of a possibly constructive dialogue.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • to david

      you blow hard we need more input from non parents, maybe some one will see past the end of their nose. that statement shows ur blind to the problem

      June 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
      • sos

        You child molester .. shut the heck up!!

        June 22, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • sos

      Yes. 99% of non-parent children-hating liberals. The same types who will do everything to protect a criminal's civil rights until the crime is committed against them. Oh and they forget that they were kids once and their parents put up with their bull while they grew up. Quick to blame parents on everything but they do everything to tie the hands of parents from doing anything. And they call CPS (CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES) if someone's child looks funny at them. People get shot, raped and killed in other parts of the world everyday and the outcry is over a 68 years old grown up being taunted by 13 year olds.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • anpel

      Actually, David I'm afraid some of the vitriol is from parents. That would make them people who bully their kids who then take it out on someone who they see as weaker than themselves. I'm not talking about not disciplining kids, but violent slaps across the face and other such abusive behavior only leads to meanness. It's like when a dog is badly treated, it either becomes mean or becomes afraid of everything.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • chris

      this is the comments section of a CNN online article. anyone may reply and its rather unlikely anything constructive will result from your average shmo's 2 cents

      June 22, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
  9. Calidip

    Castle Doctrine. Stand your ground. I do get why we send mixed signals. We kept telling our youths to "turn the other cheek." until they're 21. Then we tell them to buy a gun and stand your ground. Anyway, I beleive no matter what age you are, you have the god given right to protect yourself and your own, and to meet force with force. THere were bullies, and I got into school yard shuffles, but I never lost a fight, and bully's always left me alone after I pounded some sense into them.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Sunny

      Same here buddy! They seek out who they see as weak and attack them. Show them that you ar enot afraod and they WILL leave you alone

      June 22, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  10. dave

    In general today's society fosters this behavior but mostly the blame goes to the parents for not teaching their children respect for others. In a day when just about any physical punishment of a child is called abuse what can we expect. I grew up in the 60s (so not all that long ago). I did things growing up no where close to anything like this and I immediately got a smack upside the head or strong hand to my backside – I learned very quickly not to do those things again. That was not abuse, it was teaching me what was and was not acceptable behavior. Oh for the old days and a trip to the woodshed!!

    June 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • sos

      Right blame the parents as usual. Today it is impossible to discipline children because it is considered abuse .. .hmmm. Who was responsible for that? The damned government. The bastion of liberals. If you discipline your child then CPS will come take your child away and blame you for child abuse. I dont think this would happen in texas. Because parents are allowed to discipline their children. Because it is a conservative society. DAMMNED LIBERALS!!!

      June 22, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
      • tnfreethinker

        TX....yea right. Grew up in that awful place. Tried to move back and my child was bullied relentlessly. And in TX, if you report a bully, YOU get in trouble. Also it is the only state in America where the welfare rolls keep going up despite a good economy. The state with the most uninsured. The state where the economy is good because of illegal immigration, the illegal drug trade and greedy oil. The state with the highest rate of not only wrongful convictions, but wrongful convictions that resulted in death. The state where they try every single year to rewrite their conservative lies into the history books.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
      • SK

        SOS is a freakshow people, keep clear of him or he'll blame everyone but himself! How'd the "Liberals" even come in to this you back woods red neck!

        June 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
      • tnfreethinker

        SK....if you lack common sense, the TX education system will make you believe anything.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
  11. Karllinen

    I am sorry for what happened to Mrs. Klein when those four bullies assaulted her on the bus, but here is the explanation Ms. Klein.
    I understand those four boys were seventh-graders, and that is old enough to know right from wrong. They have bad parents for starters.
    We recently had this "bully" issue in the paper concerning none other than our illustrious Mr. Romney and his band of thugs who attacked John Lauber when Romney was a 17-year-old.
    America and its values...or lack thereof...is part of the problem. American society has a bully as a viable candidate for the Presidency of the United States...Mitt Romney.
    America's foundation was corrupt in the beginning, and it has deteriorated every year since.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • SK

      I totally agree with you on the Mitt Romney issue. Here we have a man who, in a gang, held down a boy who was all alone and cutt off his hair simply becasue he was different than the others. Then, on top of it, we have Mitt Romney initiailly trying to deny it. Then when he could no longer LIE about it, he tried to say he didn't remember doing it. Really Mitt? You didn't remember holding down a crying kid and CUTTING OFF HIS HAIR? That would make you an idiot. But then again, we already knew Mitt Romney was an idiot!!!

      June 22, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Texas Land Lady

      You're kidding, right? Please. A general lack of respect had dominated the youth of this country for at least two generations. Life has consequences. Period.

      June 22, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  12. Robyn Barkley

    I think the kids should spend the entire summer working and helping the woman and her family. They could paint, mow grass, trim bushes, do the dishes, wash the car and anything else the family needs. They could also do community service for other older people.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  13. Monte

    This lady, and I do mean Lady with the utmost respect, is an excellent role model for these children on their bus. As school bus monitor though, I do believe she should have gotten their names and reported them to the school principal because as long as there are no consequences, there is no deterrent to prevent these little brats from doing this again and again. I would be so ashamed if one of my boys ever behaved this way to anyone, especially an adult, and especially to an adult that had lost a child to suicide. I totally agree with her that they should be banned from riding the school bus and all athletics for a whole year, plus doing some community service. Suing for damages might inspire the parents to make sure their little monsters behave in the future. My heart goes out to her. She seems like a very patient and caring person.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  14. Me

    Have the parents required to ride along. Parents riding along can be an eye opener. Mom and Dad. Give Karen Klein the backup she needs. She loves the kids but needs those extra sets of eyes and ears to deal with children who do not either know or understand the rules of common courtesy . Parents can make a difference and they should!

    June 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  15. Dabchick

    There is such a loss of civility in the country now it is disgusting. When you observe televised actions showing lack of respect for the President – a Congressman calling him a liar, a Supreme Court Justice disagreeing with him( the Justice is not to react) & a reporter interrupting him in a press conference – what can we expect? Had one of those kids been mine he would find himself walking to school no matter what punishment the school handed out.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • synchornal

      I agree with you, that what is observed as tolerable behavior in public is taken by those who are finding their way in life as acceptable. What terrible role models so many adults have become in public office, in television shows. I want to see a day when the cool kids are those who are kindest.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Jeff

      Agreed. "'Honor the king.' We owe an honor to the office of the man who rules over us. I have never voted for a president whom I really wanted. I have always voted against the other candidate. I have never known a president who I felt was really capable. However, regardless of who is president and regardless of his inability, he should be honored because of his office. I am not impressed by some Scripture-spouting, pious individuals who attack the president of the United States. The office is to be honored." —J. Vernon McGee's Thru The Bible (on 1 Peter 2)

      June 22, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
      • Texas Land Lady

        Gee, I wish our "honored President" would remember that before he bowed to a Saudi king, among other things he has done to disrespect the country he is supposed to represent.

        June 22, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
  16. I_Chicago

    Perhaps the kids should be forced to watch others hurl exactly the same offensive language at their own parents and loved ones and watch them reduced to tears so they understand how it feels. As painful as it has been for Ms. Klein, it must be really difficult for her own children and grandchildren to see this footage.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  17. Ownership

    What's the first thing parents think when they are confronted about their kids bad behavior or grades? They blame everyone for the child's action except the child or themselves. It's everybody else's fault except their own. The teachers didn't do their job. They weren't probably watched or taken care of. We need to own up to our own actions including ones of our children. Back when I was younger (I'm 34), if someone complained to my parents about me, I got punished without even asking for an explanation. It was almost like a direct insult to my parents when I was acting poorly. I'm not going to say I teach my children the same type of discipline, but I do take it personally when my child does good or bad. Parents and children these days just need to OWN UP. Simple, but has since been lost with time.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  18. CindyO

    My punishment for these kids would be the following: From the school they should be suspended from the bus so the parents have to get their brats to school. Once they arrived at school they would have to stay over an hour late each day and scrub the bathrooms with a toothbrush. Kid throw up in the hallway? Pull the brats from class and let them clean it up. Have a drill sargent overseeing them. Take them to the closest penitentary, show the YouTube video to some mama loving hard core criminals and let them have a "chat" with these kids. This should go on for months.

    For Karen, the kids should become her instant slaves. Let them white-glove inspection clean her house each week, mow the lawn, pull weeds, shovel snow, etc. The whole time they must repeatedly say "I'm sorry I called you those horrible things and laughed at you." In other words...make the brats suffer. Have a drill sargeant with a pit bull that loves to eat teenage boys there to supervise them while they do this as well.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • RW

      I can easily imagine some of your suggestions for corrective action being successfully challenged in court by overly indulgent parents or advocacy groups stretching the law beyond common reason. These days, any brutish loudmouth can take a self-serving agenda to a pandering judge and over-ride generally accepted behavioral standards. I'm worry that these brutish kids are the tip of the societal iceberg crafted by an unbridled ACLU mentality that holds virtually any individual right to supersede society's right to maintain standards that virtually anyone finds "oppressive".

      June 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
  19. OsoRumba

    If it were me assigning punishment I would make them read every one of these posts and rewrite them by hand at least 10 times. Then I would make them post these comments on their Facebook for all of their freinds to read and precede each post with "This is about me!" If that doesn't cure their bullying then I'm all ears for another solution.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  20. pattym

    Court supervised Daily, including weekends, working in a nursing home for at least one year, not allowed to participate in school sports, functions or acitivities until deemed fit for society by a licensed psychiatrist. Weekly to Bi-weekly visits with a court supervised psychiatrist to include parents and siblings.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  21. sue

    I was raised to respect my elders, and I am raising my neice the same way. From the time she was able to walk she was taught boundaries and respecting others feelings. She would never talk like that to anyone, she knows it's not acceptable. and yes she knows the meaning of respect. The problem is most parents these days want to be the childs friends instead of parents/guardian. They obviously have not taught the child the true meaning of respect.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  22. Sage

    I am the parent of a kid that would do that. I have 3 sons. Two are fine. The oldest, who is now an adult, has no compassion in his heart. He grew up without that chip. He is smart enough to have avoided consequences for his cruel actions for the most part, but non-the-less, he could hurt anyone, at any time, without remorse, Blaming parents does not help. This culture has lost it's spiritual values and it's compassion.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      @Sage: Forgive me for saying this, but your oldest son should be punished for his "cruel actions," and that means execution.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
  23. Tara

    This is so disturbing. When did kids develop the sense of 'lack of respect' for adults? I would never in my young years raised my voice at an adult, let alone say such ugly harsh words to one. My daughter is 17 and I can honestly say that she has never talked back or disrespected an adult. You have to teach your kids this from the very beginning. I just don't understand why no one, other than the terrbile 4, did or said anything at some point. She handled it with grace and class. I'm glad the idiot did record the abuse.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  24. Freedsf

    Bullying should be a mandatory topic covered in school. Right now they learn about the consequences of intolerance at a much larger scale by studying World War 2, 9/11, Civil Rights movement. But the same principals of hatred are seen on a daily basis by our children through bullying. Just because it's a much smaller scale doesn't mean it's not a problem. Educate them, make them aware of the pain caused by their "jokes"....make them aware that it's not just minor teasing and it breeds hate, violence, etc.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  25. Christine Boisvert

    I am a high school teacher but have also taught middle school. The most important rule for me is RESPECT. That includes respect of self, others, ideas shared, and property (personal or otherwise). Kids test the waters and it's about what they know you will tolerate. Students know that if they see me in the halls or downtown, the rule of respect applies. I have been known to not allow a student back in class who has been disrespectful, however, I need the support of the child's family as well as the school administrators. Social behavior is something learned and the biggest lesson is that it will not be tolerated. The victim in this case is right to seek expulsion from the bus as well as no participation in sports or school sanctioned activities such as dances... Please remember that most kids are good, these little brats are not the norm.

    June 22, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Patrick

      No they aren't...they were seeing what they could get away with....guess what it was whatever they wanted because the woman was a pushover...we don't need pushovers in positions of power when dealing with children

      June 22, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  26. synchornal

    I admire the bus monitor for her restraint, and her integrity. She asks for an apology, and that the kids never act that way again. She doesnt lower herself to their level by wishing cruel things for the children...a beautiful role model of non-violence. The children have no sense of empathy – understanding how another person may feel. They act in a disassociated way, much like those who post comments say cruel things behind the cloak of their username.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
  27. Dave

    Simple...give 'em an a$$ whooping, and keep at it until they learn.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
  28. bob

    If my granny was still alive, she would have said, "Go to the peach tree and cut me a switch from it." If they cut one that is too small, she'd whip them real good before saying, "Go get me another, and do it right this time." She'd whip 'em again. Then she'd tell my grandfather.

    Or, they'd just drop them off at summer boot camp. Either one.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
  29. Stinkerbell

    Bullies continue to be bullies becasue they are always allowed to get away with it. I don't condone the death threats to these students, but maybe understanding what Karen was feeling when the "knife through your body like butter" slur will wake them up.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
  30. Bobby

    Yup. Another reason why I do not want children. I am sure if anyone were to discipline these little $ H ! ts they would be thrown in jail. And the kids know it, too. Best thing to do is get a 16 yr old to beat their as$ for you.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  31. Kathy St.

    The blame here needs to be split between the kids and the parents. The first consequence is that they are no longer able to ride the school bus (a privilege) and their parents will need to drive them, but to a private school until the kids learn how to behave at a public school. I actually taught school for a while, and had a two word motto: NO HURTING. This literally covered every situation: no physical hurting, no bullying, taunting or tormenting, no hurting other people's possessions...it just covered it all. When these students and their parents can learn this lesson, they can come back to public school.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  32. Judy

    Since this kids don't have a problem harassing someone older than them, I'd meet up with them and let them have a shot at harassing me or my husband. Of course, the bullies always pick on someone who they don't find threatening. If a child had done this to my mother...then I would treat them like my own children and they would wish they had never looked at my mother. I agree with the Grandma in the story... these kids need to be punished somehow.. find their own transportation to school because the school should not condone this and allow them to ride the bus and maybe they need to be forced to endure some embarrassment of their own.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  33. Squish

    I totally agree with Mad Sam. they need severe punishement, If I saw this happening I would have no problem pushing their empty little heads through a window. these kids are AWFUL. I hope the very worst and final kind of karma comes back to them. they knew what they were doing. they dont deserve to be walking around on this planet harassing seniors. They are worthless human beings. you folks are WAY TOO LENIENT on unacceptable behavoir. so, this will keep happening.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Ed

      These are kids!! What is wrong with you...Let me schedule an appt for you and Mad Sam for a psychiatric evaluation.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
      • Mad Sam

        @Ed: To me, they are "kids" until the day that they abuse another living being. As of that moment, they are filthy criminals who belong in the ground.

        June 22, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  34. Brenda Perez

    Its not just kids people , adults do it too!!! What about when you see an over weight person, and you giggle or point your finger , or roll your eyes at them like they don't deserve to breathe the same air as you. This is an issue in our society as a whole,
    those kids learned to be bullies somewhere, and it was quoted I believe by one of the dads that this had gone too far, probably because dad does it to his wife or the kids learned it at home. television doesn't help either, every show is downing someone, how many people have to kill themselves before shallow people get a life, if you have to make fun of someone , your are a pathetic person!!

    June 22, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  35. rickwh

    It's the "naughty naughty – go sit in timeout (maybe)" parenting that leads to this type of child. When children know that nothing will happen to them for this type of behavior, they will become these boys. People (experts?) say that inflicting corporal punishment on a child will cause mental problems – I say that this is a good example of mental damage done by the lack of corporal punishment.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • matt

      I agree 100%. This kids are monsters and they are going to grow up to be sociopathic monsters because obviously they have no remorse for their actions. I hope that the harassment they are getting now, is 100 times worse from people who have their personal information (freely posted online:)).

      June 22, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  36. Mark Duren

    I don't know what the policy is for the whoever is responsible for the buses but I would have pulled that bus over and kicked those snots out and made them walk home and would not let them back on any bus till they and their parents apologizes publicly.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • rickwh

      Unfortunately, if they had done this extremely common sense approach to them, then the school and the victim would both be sued by the wonderful parents of the boys for doing something soooo bad to these poor poor boys. Kinda makes me want to puke.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • anpel

      Yeah, I was thinking that too. Why didn't the driver pull over and tell them no more taunting or he(or she) might be taking them to the police station instead.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  37. LeeinVA

    This is what teachers are faced with in the classroom . Imagine these children inside of the school . This was the bus so I could only imagine what it would be like to deal with this type of behavior in class. This just blows my mind people take a good look at this because this is one of the problems with our education system in America. Children have no respect for others and none for themselves. Just a reflection on our society .

    June 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  38. whatupjoe

    Public apology, parental apology and community service that takes up any and all free time that they might have. I'm sure there are streets that need sweeping.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Ed

      I completely agree, they should apologize, but it should be one on one with Mrs. Klein. Not public. This is not a circus, although people are trying to make it one. Definitely commmunity service. I recommend they clean Mrs. Klein's yard and home for an entire year...cutting grass, weeding, raking, shoveling show..you get the picture. And make them hold a bullying class at school explaining what they did to their schoolmates to make them know the consequences of bullying. That's it.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
      • anpel

        I doubt that she would want them anywhere her home or to know where she lives.

        June 22, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Sunny

      They also need to be made to wear a sign "I AM SORRY" while sweeping the streets

      June 22, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  39. bolankeith

    Kids have other outside influences other than their parents. I agree that parents are often to blame. Not all the time though. I knew a family who's parents were really good people and their kids still went bad. I mean really bad. The reason? popular culture. It happened the same time as they started listening to hate music, violent video games, TV shows and movies. All with no moral compass. They started listening to music that shows hate, greed, violence and crime being a badge of honor and rewarded by a better lifestyle. Parents cannot protect kids 24/7 from that.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Rob

      bolankeith: Pleeease! Good kids are exposed to the "bad" influences in our culture, too, so don't diminish their own responsibility or their parents. Their peer groups are the largest influence, esp when they're left to run rampant in the schools. They do it for the attention, to one-up each other, to be "cool" or whatever it is these days. It also speaks to a much deeper and nastier disregard for anyone else, which is why they shockingly go so far to inflict pain, shame, embarrassment, fear, and intimidation. They need to be taught to think, act, and feel 180-degrees by their parents, teachers, and all other adults they are directly in contact with. They need to be held accountable, and shamed and embarrassed by those who's opinions matter the most– their own peers. Otherwise, the will wear this notoriety as a badge of ultimate attention. Otherwise, these little momzers will turn into criminals who commit heinous acts marked by a complete disregard for their victims. 50 years ago, it was violent cartoons like Jonny Quest, 30 years ago it was Dungeons & Dragons, 20 years ago its was video games, 10 years ago, it was Monica and Bill, now we try to blame the internet. When will they, their parents, and their principals, and their school boards be forced to change? To this day, Ryan White's grave is vandalized.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  40. gerald

    Parenting people, these kids learn it at home. This is just an expansion of the idea that parents want to blame the school system for their children not learning and yet those same parents do nothing for them at HOME.
    The media needs to find out what these parents are all about. How about a story on them???

    June 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Ed

      When kids travel in packs, like wolves, they behave differently. I've experienced it first hand. When you see alone, they are fine, but with their friends, it's like Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. It happens everywhere. To point the fingers at parents is very short sighted.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
      • tapati

        I agree, kids and adults behave differently in groups, they take on a mob mentality and don't want to be thought of as different for not joining in, even if they feel bad or uncomfortable. I can't help but think that the age of anonymous commenting on the internet has intensified the bullying propensity some kids have. Sometimes kids who were raised well get swept up in it all because they don't want to stand out as different. That is social suicide and then the bullying gets focused on them. There needs to be a comprehensive program at both home and school where everyone is on the same page about social norms. If my kid were one of the bullies in this video I would restrict things like internet and tv and ground them, first of all, and I would start them in counseling while looking for some volunteer work we could do as a family. I would be seeking to increase their compassion and empathy (both things I did do as a parent) and have some long conversations about treating others with respect. Once my son was making fun of evangelical Christians so I had him read a Christian novel to gain some insight into the religion. He changed his tune after that.

        June 22, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  41. genious

    let that james guy from tv go to work on them. the one that iworks on disfunctionalkids

    June 22, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
  42. jenkoosh

    If they were mine, I'd take a belt, and give them 10 whacks across their bare backsides. Then I would force them to write an apology letter and read it out loud to that poor lady. Also, for the next two months, they would have no video games, or game-time on the computer, or social outings with their friends. They could watch TV, and that would be about it for "recreation."

    June 22, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  43. Steve

    the sad truth is that 99% of people, including many of you, will publicly denounce this behavior and suggest that parents are at fault and that parents need to do a better job parenting, yet the majority of you do not do anything to correct this type of behavior in your own lives. These kids in this video aren't any different from the millions of kids all over this country. Yet every parent will suggest that "my kid would never do that". Making statements on a CNN story doesn't make you a good parent. Good parenting qualifies you as a good parent. Now go check your kid.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Ed

      Steve, people refuse to accept that bullying is not nutured, it's nature. The strong picking those who are perceived as weak. Anyone who has been bullied understands this. some learn from it and some dwell on it. IMO, this woman was rendered powerless because of school parents (ironic). She's obviously not a pushover and am pretty confident she would have put these kids in their place if she was able to do so. You have to impose a punishment that will make them LEARN and not SUFFER. That's just sadistic.

      The lynch mob mentality exhibited by a lot of people is extremely disturbing. It serves nothing to resolve the problem, it only to satisfies a few very sick people's thirst.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  44. cadiza

    So the guy who bullied me in middle school grew up. Now, he's a nice guy, who runs a non-profit that helps a lot of people. . He was horrible child, made my life miserable( like borderline suicidal-miserable). I ran in to him a few years ago around town, and we had a long talk.. he apologized to me. I forgave him. I even thought about doing some volunteer work for him- but never got around to it. I really don't know why he turned the corner.. but he did it in a big way.
    So do I think every 13 year old bully is a dead-end? Based on my personal experience, No. They can be saved and that should be the goal. This horrible behavior is a red flag. Now the the adults around have a chance to try to fix the problem. I hope that they at least try. Beating the crap out of a child, publically humiliating them, shooting them, putting them in prison to raped by scary men, or setting lynch mob on their family ( internet or otherwise) are not acts of discipline, they are acts of vengeance. Vengeance has no place in discipline.

    I can only spek from my experience

    June 22, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • jamie h


      The girl who bullied me in high school now seems like a decent person too. i remember hating her sooooo much, but then in our senior year, she was removed from her home by CPS- apparently she was horribly abused. When I learned the details, my hatred for her died. We work for the same company now- and though i don't know her well- she seems sweet- nobody seems to have problems with her. She has never apologized to me, but I feel she goes out of her way to say Hi or to tell me that she likes my shoes etc... When I was sixteen I wanted to run her over with my car.. but now I'm glad i didn't!!!

      June 22, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • anpel

      reply to cadiza. You make some good points; a lot of the comments on here show more of a vindictive, violent turn rather than anything that will cause a positive change in behavior. Coincidentally, I heard a forensic psychologist today on tv commenting that America has produced more than its share of serial killers. There's something in our "wild west" mentality or maybe our kids being left to themselves to watch all kinds of violence on tv, movies and video games that is contributing to the amount of violence and cruelty we see. They need something positive in their lives to counteract all the negative influences.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      @Cadiza: Bullies do not deserve our sympathy. They do not deserve our efforts to "rehabilitate" them.

      They do deserve mistreatment and death, however. That is all that they deserve. Sometimes, the only appropriate form of justice is punitive justice.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  45. Rob

    Simple! Send the offending kids and their parents to someplace in the world (of which there are too many) where kids die every day for a variety of horrific reasons and people starve, and make them perform community service until counselors agree they show signs of understanding just how out of touch they were with the realities of the world. These kids are clearly over-privileged and need a wake-up call. It's interesting to note the only reason corrective action can be applied here is because one of the kids used his technology (camera phone) in a way that revealed their actions.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Ed

      You really need some help

      June 22, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  46. Deneen

    WOW. I am so sick of these bad a** kids. These kids act, talk and behaves like this at home. If you as a parent like to deal with this type of behavior then home school them. Keep your bully children home!! Kids don't act like an angle at home then act like a devil when they get on the bus. As a parent you know when you have a devil.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • George T

      English language much?

      June 22, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Keyshop

      Watch what happens, at least in LA when a parent tries to discipline a child, all the kid has to do is say at school that his parent hit him and just like that the police and social services are automaticly involved, dont believe in beating children but do belive that many sorly needed swats on the rump never happen because the nanny state has taken over the job and the kids find out they can get away with anything they want. Those kids will fill up our prisons.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  47. Dez

    As a senior, my heart goes out to Karen for the barbaric behavior of those boys. At 68 yrs. she has to work and be abused, disrespected, and inappropriately touched. What would I do to those boys? First wash out their mouths with soap, then take away the privelge of riding the school bus for a year, let them walk, no sports, community service for the elderly, and take away their phones and other electronic devices they carry for six months, and have them all go for therapy.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
  48. Vonda

    How about a current day version of 'The Hunger Games' for these kids.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  49. Sebastian

    As a parent; parenttting coach and licensed marriage and family therapist I tell parents whenever I do a presentation that we as parents set the tone for our our children will act once they leave our house. We have to guide through action and words. My daughter knows what I expect when she is in public and in my neighborhood I get feedback a lot from neighbors, school staff, and others all the time. It takes a village and we need to all work together. Parents need to know who their children's friends are and actually talk to them; get their phone numbers; let your kids see you talking to them. When I walk my daughter to school we say good morning to the crossing guard by first name. Kindness goes a long way. Let's treat our kids to treat others the way we want to be treated.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • anpel

      Good point Sebastian. My son definitely had a mind of his own and didn't always do things the way we wanted him to, but he learned to respect people and I never saw or heard of him disrespecting someone ( unless he was being attacked and then he was very good at standing up for himself.)

      June 22, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
  50. Jim Hahn

    I know how she feels. I endured similar harassment, both verbal and physical, on the bus almost daily for nearly a year in Junior High School. My friends and I decided that the 1.2 mile walk was worth it.

    These children AND THEIR PARENTS need to attend child rearing classes and perform at least 100 hours of community service each.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • sugabunnie

      I think this is very different than what you experienced. This woman appears to be an employee. Why doesn't the school arm the monitors with some sort of disciplinary tools-i.e. we will be returning to the school from which you may leave when your parents come to pick you up. What is the point of having a monitor on the bus (I presume her purpose was to prevent this behavior from happening to other children) if she has no authority?

      June 22, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  51. Julie Martin

    I would have the kids involved play the video at other schools and talk about what is wrong with this pictures. Talk about why they acted as they did. Put them out there educating other young kids..instead of kicking them out of school.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  52. Manu

    Well, I did not grow up in USA but now a well educated citizen of US with a professional career. I have a 3 year old son who I just refuse to raise in the US once he is school age as I see American teenage kids behaving in ways I cannot even fathom. Parenting combined with laws that are in place to protect these kids (from some abusive parents) are actually making a whole generation of kids completely violent, disrespectful, ill mannered and illiterate by world standards. Most of the world gets better generation after generation but America is one country where each generation is raising a worse generation to follow. In my home country if I did a fraction of what kids here do, I would be thrown out of school, get whipped at home and no other school would give me admission in ANY city or State because we had something called 'Character' certificate you need from your previous school to get admission in any other school. So yes, we had fear of the consequences of our actions. American kids are mostly devils.

    June 22, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • George T

      AMEN GIRL!!! I agree.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  53. Billy Smith

    If it was my kid, I would take very wide leather belt and pound each hand 10 times to teach the kid a lesson. Then I would make him go with me to the victim and apologize. That is the embarressing to the kid.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  54. CG46

    For the PARENTS: Try taking their phone from them for a year, one year. That'll give them plenty of opportunity to learn respect. It took them years to get this way, it is reasonable that it'd take a year for the respect lesson to kick in.
    For the KIDS: Shame/Embarassment is a powerful motivator. Why let the kids apologize in private? they publicly humiliated this woman (repeatedly), so why can't a middle schooler apologize to this poor woman in front of the entire school (like in the gymnasium).
    For the PRINCIPAL: Use your power to expel the kids. This non-sense is causing your school to under-achieve, regardless of what academic standard you are presently. Thin the herd!

    June 22, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
  55. The Real Tom Paine

    I live in Greece, and the victim of this verbal onslaught is a friend of my brother and sister-in-law. Nothing can excuse these kids from facing the consequences of what they did, but the mob mentality this incident has generated has resulted in the police department being forced to step up patrols in the enighborhoods where these punks live. My tax dollars are going to protect them from harm because others may take it upon themselves to act as avenging angels, so my solution is to have the parents shoulder the costs of the extra patrols and overtime that the rest of the town will have to pay. The kids will end up in facing suspension as soon as the school year begins, and Karen Klein will have the vacation of a lifetime, possibly a very healthy retirement as well. The kids will be tagged forever as the cowards who bullied and taunted an elderly bus monitor, something they will never live down, I'm sure( Greece still has a small town mentality, and everyone knows everyone here). No system of " justice" involving flogging, public stoning, etc, will ever replace the permanant humiliation these idiots brought on themselves and their families. Hopefully it will serve as a lesson to some to resist the temptation to prey on others. You can't stop all of them, but if it stops even one, her suffering will not have been for nothing.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Squish

      I really hope all this will be true. please send along my love to this woman. Let her know that many of us are outraged! I would be the person to have stepped in if I was there, even if it meant I would have brawled and gotten into legal trouble. I dont put up with that sh**. She seems like a lovely woman and we are all happy to hear some nice things are coming her way......

      June 22, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  56. Ed

    Here's how you deal with a bully...You fight back.. PERIOD. I got the crap kicked out of my when I was a kid and never fought back but now tell my kids to fight back and don't have a problem if I'm called into the school to find out they got into a fight because of it. This woman endured this crap because school parents made her helpless. I watched the interview with her...She is great and definitely not a push over. She knows they are kids and understand more than a lot of short sighted alarmests what needs to be imposed to punish these boys. I think people need to settle down a bit.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  57. Russel

    Lots of whiners on here. Who wasn't bullied, or picked on...or made fun of. Every kid was. I was...I did it to other kids. Its called a part of growing up...very valuable lessons are learned from it. I was picked on until I fought back, until I stood up for myself. Even when I still got beat up I earned more respect from the other kids that even though I got my butt kicked, I wasn't afraid to stand up for myself – and that, in of itself, put a stop to the bullying. What are we teaching kids who are bullied if all they have to do is run to mommy/daddy to bail them out – oh I know, we end up creating more of a nanny state.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • The Real Tom Paine

      Good God. You take an incident involving a group of middle-school predators, and you attempt to tie that to the so-called "Nanny State"? Stop watching Glen Beck and open your eyes. Would you have jumped in to help her, or would you have joined in? Sounds like you would not have lifted a finger, because you're worried about a 68 year-old grandmother being dependent on a fictional " Nanny State" rather than doing the right thing and helping someone. You are screaming for people to grow a pair, how about grow a damn conscience instead? You would have walked right past her with your rightie ideals intact, rather than help someone. Pathetic.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
      • Tony

        Thank you for writing that. You are spot on. I am thinking Russell would have sat and watched.

        June 22, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Rog

      This must be how the bullies feel. If you kid gives answers like this I would worry. In this case we are talking about an older lady. It could have been your grandma. How do you feel about that happening to your grandma. In the end it is the parents. How they raised their kids. Respect or not.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • pml

      What are you stupid! We are talking about a 68 year old woman! No not everybody is bullied and not everbody has bullied someone! These kids have not respect and they learn that at home! It's a paretns job to teach their kids right form wrong! I can tell you one thing if it was my kid that had cursed anyone I would have beat the crap out of them when I found out! That's what's wrong with kid's today they are not corrected or taught right from wrong! Spare the rod spoil the child!!

      June 22, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • frank

      Yes, but often these days when the person being bullied fights back, they end up paying the penalty. I would love to see the bullied person kill the bully myself, but that's not acceptable under law either.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      @Russel: It is not a "part of growing up." Bullying is an abomination and the root of many of society's problems. People die and are scarred for life because of criminals like the ones who harassed Karen Klein. Bullies deserve to die. I find it quite disgusting that you would readily admit to being one and then defend the practice as something that is "normal." Apparently, you do not care about the lasting damage that you inflicted on your victim(s). I do.

      Furthermore, getting a parent's or teacher's help to stop bullying is not an aspect of a "nanny state." When someone is tormented by dozens or even hundreds of people, you cannot just tell them to figure it out on their own. I wish that I could turn you back into a middle school student and put you in one of the public schools in my area so that you could learn that firsthand.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |

    They should all be suspended for one year, have no access to ride the bus for one year, and all parents should have to do any work around her house that has do be done with their kids ,and they also should have to do community services for oneyear.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      @Kenny Black: I agree with what you are suggesting, but such punishments are too lenient.

      These criminals deserve torture and execution.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  59. Fat Person

    I applaud the generally outpouring of sympathy that this woman is receiving, but I want to point out that the general response to any story involving a fat person on CNN or any other news outlet is readers shaming the fat person for being fat and having essentially no empathy. Change starts with you and these children learn from their environment. I struggle to be seen as anything more than my weight (I should add that I am an extremely successful research scientist, but people on the street just see my weight). I have been gawked at, taken pictures of, laughed at, told that I look like a cow and many, many other things....all by ADULTS! So, next time you see someone that you think is lazy, ugly or anything else because they are fat...remember this story of the teens mirroring the adults they see (and I don't mean JUST their parents). Society is just as much at fault as the parents and the children.

    In today's Facebook generation, we are losing empathy at an alarming rate. It is time to re-learn social skills and acceptance.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • George T

      Agreed! Technology is preventing kids today from know right from wrong and how to socialize with each other. The next generation of adults will be far worse than anything we've see to date. It's the beginning of the end in my opinion.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Brenda Perez

      I totally agree with you, its ashame that if your fat, you dont even want to be in public because of the pathetic people that will make fun of you the entire time, well I've gone up and sat down at a table of people that were making fun of my daugther, and told them how ridiculous they were and how shallow, if thats all they have in life is to make fun of people and they were adults!!!

      June 22, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Maria

      Fat Person I agree with you 100%. There is no excuse for these children to behave in the way that they behave and for adults to behave like children. I learned from my parents to respect the elders, I passed that along to my children and I am observing the same to my grandkids. I told my children once that if I ever find out that they were disrespectful to a person, whether a child or an adult, I will demand that they apologize and after that they will get a punishment for their behavior. Thanks to the LORD I never received a complaint and I expect that they will always remember what I told them Respect starts at home and there is no excuse for the generation of today to be so disrespectful, so intolerant and so bad adjusted. The youngsters today need a reality check and their parents too everytime that something like this happens. I do not know the reactions of the parents of these kids but the school should expel them and not to be returned until they comply with 1000 hours of community service in a nursing home facility or a facility that provide services for the elder.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
  60. kira

    Absolutely Terrible.....I've seen kids like this with parents acting in certain ways or saying things that would make their kids think that its "ok" to make fun of other people or pick on them...Wise up parents...
    Since any amount of actual punishment has been taken out of the schools with parents, teachers, aides being helpless to do anything to kids. The kids feel they have this power.
    I'm sure these wonderful little angels would have been the "victims" if the woman stood up for herself..The parents should be ashamed of themselves. You can bet that this is not a first time of bullying this poor woman and others

    June 22, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
  61. an idea

    Send em to bootcamp, or guantanamo bay waterboard them.

    Or send em to China to languish in sweatshops. Send their parents too.

    A few months of that should straighten em out. Theyd kiss someones ass to be back in the USA

    June 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  62. Russel

    What would I do with a mean kid? Beat the crap out of him...or her. Basically, demonstrating to the kid that there is ALWAYS someone bigger...and meaner...out there.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • PugPower

      Russel: So the lesson would be, make sure you are the biggest and strongest, then you can do whatever you want to anyone? (Some would argue that this is the basis of our foreign policy as well, but I digress.)

      June 22, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  63. tnfreethinker

    @Really.....did I hit a nerve? You don't happen to have a daughter named Hannah do you?

    June 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  64. linda simeone

    Bullies suck. I was bullied as a young child by peers and even a camp counselor who used to hold me over the opening of the camp latrine and threaten to drop me into the muck. I like the idea of the kids having to write letters, read them aloud on YouTube and made to wear T shirts whenever they are out in public that declare: I BULLIED MRS. KLEIN, have people point and gasp at them, be ridiculed and shamed to see how it feels. Definitely Boot Camp and Anger management classes for both them and their parents AND have the parents pay out of pocket for it. Also, no summer for these kids. Cut off their cel phones, ipads, etc. no games, no TV, they should be MADE to read books every day and write essays on them. Have them all go on OPRAH including the victim and have the kids offer her an explanation in real time of why they chose to act the way they did. Bring it to a public forum.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  65. Lee

    Send them to boot camp or give them the "5 across the eyes" technique.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  66. Ed

    @Mad Sam...Actually, it's not. You obviously still harbor negative feelings about it. Sorry you feel that way, but this is not about you. These are kids, stupid kids who did something stupid. But they are kids. Jailtime is a bit over the top. and it appears the only people asking for it are people who have no business putting thier nose in the middle of it. Do I condone it. Absolutely not, should they be punished, absolutely, but not in the way some people are demanding. Even Mrs Klein does not want them arrested. She been working for the school for years, she knows kids a lot more than we do. I suggest people calm down and start thinking rationally.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      @Ed: The harshness of my opinions is not necessarily caused by the fact that I was bullied. I am not self-centered. I am simply tired of the injustices in this world. If something does not change about the way we do things, more and more innocent people will be scarred for life by criminals like the ones who harassed Karen Klein. I believe that we should eliminate the problem at its root by eliminating the individual villains responsible for acts of cruelty ... and, yes, I am thinking rationally as I type this. Justice must prevail or the cancers of society will consume us all.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
      • George T

        Absolutely agree. These behaviors are becoming the norm in our society and it's only going to get worse. Ed, sorry bud, you clearly don't have a clue about what is really going on out there. Americans as a whole refuse to accept responsibility for behaviors. I want you to think about something Ed, if this had happened to YOUR mother or grandmother, would you still be taking the LIBERAL way?

        June 22, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • jd

      This was not some ordinary prank these kids pulled. They knew exactly what they were doing. They knew how vicious and cruel they were being. Ordinarily I might agree with you if a young teen age kid made a mistake, but the way I see it the only mistake they made was to post the video online, which got them caught. These punks need harsh punishment not just because of this one incident but apparently there were quite a few more incidents where this lady was harrassed by these same kids. Jail time might be just the thing they need. If they act like that now what's going to happen when they grow up. Like I said this isn't the same thing as getting caught cheating on a test or a school yard fignt, what these punks did was one of the most awful things I have witnessed as far as harassment goes. Also I definitely think there parents should be held accountable as well.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • mike

      ed, shut the hell up with the "they're just kids" crap. they are old enough to know right from wrong.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  67. Garnett Cross

    I am almost eighty years old, we grew up in a society where we were taught to respect an older person. If an elderly person walked into a room, we were taught to stand up. Today if a school teacher touches a child on their shoulder, the teacher may be charged with assaulting the child. Those many years ago we were given the cane on our butts for any insubordination, I and my generation are none the worse for the so-called treatment . I have listened to the way some children speak to their parents – it is no wonder the elderly lady had to be subjected to such abuse by a bunch of ill mannered, obnoxious children. The parents of these children obviously have absolutely no control over them, because their children were not disciplined from infants. I would certainly not like to have the responsibility of retraining children at their ages. These children should spend a year in the military, in the care of a sergeant, one that takes no insubordination.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • jenkoosh

      I am 43 and I think your suggestion is the best one I've heard yet. Rock on!

      June 22, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  68. TGinSanDiego

    It's amazing to me that every single parent posting on here has said that their kids wouldn't do this. Such denial! Don't you think that the parents of these kids would have said the exact same thing a week ago!? I challenge every parent to sit down with each of their kids, look them in the eye, and ask them if they've been mean to any other child in the last month. If you get the truth, you will probably be quite surprised.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • dale

      You are right–everyone believes this something that someone else's child does.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Harbormon

      Well said, TG, and I was just getting ready to write the exact same thing. Quite frankly, the level of denial today from parents is frightening and I know it myself, as it took my own 18 year old to point out that I was being a "bully" to a co-worker and didn't even realize it. We are all guilty of tormenting others, to their faces or behind their backs. Even minor bullying or tormenting is destructive and leaves many people hurt and afraid even when the tormentor doesn't realize they are doing it.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
      • oldbay57

        I applaud you as a parent. Your 18 year old recognized your behavior wasn't appropriate. You have an open relationship with your 18 year old that he/she could point it out to you. You accepted the comments and evaluated them. You are taking responsibility for your behavior. I am sure often your 18 year old does the same because of the example you set.

        June 22, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  69. Willa45

    These kids are just mean and spoiled. Mom and Dad never corrected them when they threw a tantrum and probably gave them whatever it was they wanted. When they shrieked and cursed at their parents and slammed their room doors in anger, their parents did nothing, so as not to upset him any further. When he came home with a failing grade because he was always busy playing with the computer (cellphone, TV), it was the teacher's fault...it wasn't that he cut classes or never did his homework...and when he grew up thinking that the entire world should be handed over to him solely because of his 'greatness', it's because he was never taught to 'earn' anything in his entire life. These little Napoleons grow up expecting to be rewarded for their lazy, disrespectful ways. The parents of these kids are the same ones who will throw their hands up in the air and blame everybody else when there's trouble. They can't believe that their darling boy, the one they so lovingly and selflessly raised, could turn out to be a self serving, hateful bully instead of a mature, responsible leader.

    Many of you on this board have some excellent ideas for putting these kids on the right track, so I won't bore you with another redundant solution. I would only disagree with those of you who recommend the beatings, although the temptation is strong.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      @Willa45: I respectfully object to the tone of your comment. Focus on eliminating the bullying problem rather than advocate the harsh treatment of kids. These bullies deserve to be hanged from the highest branch; regular kids, on the other hand, do not deserve to be tormented by an authoritarian parental figure as long as they do not harm other living beings.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
      • Willa45

        Please read my post again. You must have missed my meaning. In no way do I advocate harsh treatment of kids...quite the contrary, but I do object to permissive parenting, where the kids are the ones in charge and the parents are the ones who acquiesce to their demands. Kids need to be taught respect and parents need to treat their kids like kids. Not by disrespecting them either, but by setting boundaries and teaching them about respect for other human beings, about the value of hard work and reward for effort and achievement. In short, to understand the result of their actions and to be accountable for the outcomes. I apologize if my post was somehow ambiguous and hard to understand.

        June 22, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • anpel

      Willa, I don't think you can assume bullies were pampered and given their way as a general rule. I think many people who are bullies were bullied at home and, at the least, neglected as far as giving them any reasonable rules and education in how to act towards someone else.

      June 22, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
      • Willa45

        I don't disagree that abuse at home can also be a reason, but some kids are mean to others because they want to, and they have the power to do it because they reckon they can get away with it.

        June 22, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  70. WildHawk

    Apology to Ms. Klein? Definitely, face to face, one on one. Community Service for kids and parents? Maybe. Having the kids spend the summer researching bullying so that they can present at a school-wide assembly next fall, telling what they did, what they thought and how they felt before, during, and after, the effect on them, the impact on their lives; they should include talking about other times they've engaged in bullying behavior toward anyone (siblings, friends, anyone), or any times they've felt bullied. Instead of being vindictive, this could be turned into a learning experience for not only these four kids but for the whole school.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  71. madeinamerical

    I am 60 years old and I have to remind people that when I was in grammar and middle school there were incredibly mean bullies that terrorized other kids. Everyone likes to think it was the good ole days and things are so awful now but that is not the case. The difference today is that kids have no respect for adults

    June 22, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Pritiga

      Fine the parents and leave them broke. Use the money to build a library. Make these kids force do some job like poor asian or mexican kids do..like carrying water, making 50 shoes per day or things like that as a part of their school. Allow them not to watch TV or hear loud music for five years.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Bruce

      Sadly, so many of the adults held up for kids to look at are not worthy of respect. With reality TV we see the Snooki's and Hilton's and Kardashians making the spotlight and millions. Our government officials keep failing us. Scandal after scandal.
      Kids will emulate what they are shown, If the only examples being set for them come from their TV-babysitter this is what we will continue to see.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  72. K K Putnam

    Out these little punks on a bus full of disgruntled seniors who are fed up hearing all these bullying tales.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  73. Abel Isidro

    This is a shame, these children and cruel and what they did was borderline evil , I don't know if these children at heart are evil. I don't know these children . I don't know their parents or how these youths have experienced childhood. But we are so angered by what is done in society , that we cannot and do not attempt to change. It seems that we try to justify this by making amends with a single person.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  74. Sam

    This lady is amazing. This story proves that our your are in deep trouble and have no respect for anyone, and where does this behavior start if it's not at home. They definitely need to be punished.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  75. ruben

    what would i do??? how about beating down the bullies until they're confined to a wheelchair?

    June 22, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Thatguy371

      Amen. That seriously needs to happen.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  76. Ed

    It's been my experience, as someone who was bullied as a kid, that those who are the harshest critics, demanding the most severe punishment for these kids, have either not been bullied at all or have been bullies themselves in the past.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      @Ed: Your reasoning is flawed. I have been bullied by the s c u m and I have never infringed on anyone else's rights like these criminals. I also believe that the bullies in the video should be tortured and executed.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
      • Me

        As another poster already said, Sam, I think you need psychological help buddy!

        June 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
  77. David

    These kids acted the way they did becuae they realize adults can't do anything back. We've grown so soft as a society that kids can now take advantage of adults. What these kids need are a good old fashioned Singapore style caning.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • sam

      A public caning should leave an impression, I think.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
      • dale

        Paddling seems to work well.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
  78. TPN51

    Kate, I agree with the community service but I think it should be in part at a retirement home or convalescent home mopping floors or anything. So what is it with these kids? Bad parenting? Today's society? or what? Allot of kids today have no discipline, no seance of worth and far to much time on their hands. If they were mine, I would enforce the discipline my mom gave to me. A good old butt whippen with a belt.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  79. Rochelle D

    Rather than put Tormentors in jail. How about send them to Boot Camp (Should create Bully Boot Camp) for six weeks and are required to sleep in Prison fenced yard at nights. When complete six-week course, then required them to do two-week community service in each different Cultures (not the kids' choice and can not serve in same race.) including Nursing homes and Homeless shelters. This ought to teach them, and other bullies for that matter, we may come in different shape and form but we all have one thing in common; living.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • Rochelle D

      I forgot to add. To do two-week community service each in different cultures for one year.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  80. Mike

    Humans are social creatures. The most damaging punishment for a human is to be ignored. Think solitary confinement without the cell. They speak and get no answer. They ask and get no answer. Ignore them as if they do not exist, because their humanity at this point in their life actually does not exist.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  81. booboobear

    I don't believe in physical punishment, and public humiliation is NOT the answer.
    These kids should:
    1) Face expulsion from any public school system.
    2) Go counseling and participate in community service WITH their parents
    3) Re-evaluate these kids in a year, and see if they fit to go back to public schools.
    4) If they pass, good.
    5) If they don't fit, send them to military school.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • dale

      You have well thought answers, but the bottom line is that nothing works if there is nothing physical to back it up. I DO believe in physical punishment.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  82. tnfreethinker

    I hate to hear "Kids are mean." Really? Because mine aren't. Parents need to remember.....Bullies are rarely successful in life.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Really?

      Really? It is usually people like you's kids that are the bullies, the parents that think my kids aren't mean. I am not saying your kids are foresure but do you follow them 24 hours a day and see their every move? More then not, it is the kids of people who think my kids would never do that!

      June 22, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
      • tnfreethinker

        No, actually, more often than not it is the kids of people who act that way themselves. Kids of people who teach their children to judge others. People who are offended when the truth hurts.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  83. Outranged in Georgia

    The biggest problem is we live in a "my little darling wouldn't do that" society. These kids are now coming out and saying how sorry they are. I don't buy it. The only thing they are sorry about is they got caught. I doubt criminal charges will be filed, but if I could dole out the punishment, it would go like this. They would record a video expressing how sorry they are, they would be banned from riding the bus for at least a year, they would do hours of community service, and most of all they would be grounded for the whole summer. No fun of any kid. No TV, No game systems, no talking on the phone, no ball games if they play on sports teams, trips to the pool.... well you get the point.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Outranged in Georgia

      Should say no fun of any kind.,,,

      June 22, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  84. H.Vernon

    Each student should write an essay, 2500 words on respecting elders, write an apology, hand deliver both to the woman, read the apology out loud while being recorded. Then those apologies placed on YouTube. The students should be barred from extracurricular activities for a year and have to take an ettiquette class after school. Some manual labor like helping the custodial staff for a few months might be appropriate as well, especially cleaning toilets. .

    June 22, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  85. A Concerned Parent

    Shock. Outrage. Unbelievable verbal abuse, threat to inflict physical harm with weapon, stalking, taunting, bullying are all part of the Pack attack mentality released on Ms. Klein. A bus monitor did her job, protect safety of the children. More Bus drivers and moniters receive some form of abuse everyday due to bratty unfeeling kids. They report action and that is it. Senior Citizens are America's Greatest Asset for they teach us everyday how to care, love, and respect and do this with grace and dignity. They are the ones who built this Great Country and endured hardships thru history from the Great Depression, WWII, and the innovation we all enjoy today. Seniors teach us how to be a better human.
    These unfortunate kids on the bus need to relearn one important human emotion: Compassion. For it says alot about a people and a nation on how they treat their aging population. Recommend No Criminal charges pressed, but volunteer and raise awareness for Senior issues and antibullying. Then some Parent/Child prison bootcamp, and suspension from School and bus. Ms. Klein you are a beautiful person good luck and god bless you.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  86. n2hikn

    they should be enrolled in scared straight boot camp

    June 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  87. Kate Mae

    I agree with Michael Cox .1,000 hours of community service and a public apology from each of the parents. However, I would also like to hear a public apology from each of the "children" who bullied this woman. And I would like to know that they are not able to hide. Wearing a sign while they're out in the community saying "I bullied Karen Klein and this is my punishment" makes sense to me. Bullies only do their dirty work when they know they won't get caught. For bullying to be effectively curtailed, I believe it takes a multi-pronged effort from parents, churches, schools, politicians, and the media. Opinion leaders need to speak out against this kind of behavior, and shame needs to be attached.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Ed

      Kate, I respectfully disagree...Mrs Klein deserves the apology, not the public. This is a matter to be handled by the school, parents, and Mrs Klein. This lynch-mob mentality is exttremely disturbing. And frankly, it's none of our business. The parents and the school will define a proper punishment.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
      • sam

        Guess what, Ed; it's everyone's business when little monsters like these get out into society.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
      • Pat

        Ed – "The parents and the school will define a proper punishment."??? The parents haven't ever used ANY kind of "punishment" on these wastes of oxygen they call their children! And the schools are so afraid of lawsuits that they won't take any action.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
      • Tony

        I think it IS society's business to have open, candid discussion about civility. This incident has prompted a lot of much-needed discussion. I don't believe that saying "This is none of our business" is very responsible. I respect your right to have a different view than my view, however.

        June 22, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Buddy Peters

      Kate, thank God there are descent parents and kids out there. What these kids did was totally uncalled for. My wife and I have 2 grown children now, but believe me they were never taught to be disrespectful to anyone. Especially to other adults. My wife and I do not believe in corporal punishment, but there are exception and we have on occasion used the fly swatter on their little behinds. I believe all of this bad child behavior from kids today stems from government interference and progressive child thinkers that warp parents and the schools from taking the required actions needed to bring kids back in line and letting kids get away with just about anything short of murder. I believe kids are born good and any problems with them stems from improper actions that are learned from the parents or from a lack of teaching kids what is right and wrong. It all starts in the home. Punish the kids and the parents. Sending the parents to parenting classes is not enough of a punishment. Place a very heavy fine on them, have social services involved with each family, on a weekly basis, expel the kids from school and the bus, put them in another school for misbehaved kids for 1 year. At the end of the year if no improvement , start the process all over again an add in 10 day jail for the parents and boot camp for the kids.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  88. Matt

    Whoa! What a vitriolic response from the masses! These are children, mean children, but still children. I hope everyone who has posted here attempting to out-outrage the last person that posted here will take a second and look at what they've said.

    "Medicate the child–voluntarily or by court order"

    "thses putrid little clucks need to be put in the main jail with the big boys so they can be the "new fish" if they are so interested in rape"

    "Take them out of Society for some time (few years) until they are corrected and reintroduce int society"

    "Whack their mouths till they bleed"

    Considering at least half of the responses here call for extreme corporal punishment, expulsion from society, jail time or worse, I'm not at all surprised that children today are bullies. They learn it from us. All of us. This hyperbolic insanity that is the American Outrage Machine.

    Everyone is constantly attempting to one-up each other in their outpouring of fake sympathy for dead celebrities, or going ballistic about some verbal slight let off by someone a thousand miles away who has no impact on their life. Pundits constantly express righteous condemnation against anyone and everyone who is perceived to be in the wrong. We as a society display a very sick group-think when it comes to how we react to events in the world.

    I do believe that these children should be disciplined as deemed appropriate by their parents, and the children should be required to see the school counselor, individually and as a group, and the parents should demand to be involved and helpful in the process. But really, who honestly thinks jail time is going to turn these kids around? Have any of you ever known anyone that's done jail time? To those that answer yes: did it actually do any good? In my experience it does not, it excerbates bad behavior, not the other way around.

    We need to collectively calm down and start acting like rational adults or we can only expect much more of this kind of behavior out of the next generation, because it's US that set the example.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Mad Sam

      Exactly, Matt. Jail time will not rehabilitate these criminals. Give them a hollow point to the skull. That will solve the problem.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • wow

        Seriously mad sam, get some help you have issues!!!!! I am more affraid of people in society like you then bullies!!!

        June 22, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Dan

      And if it were your Mother or daughter would you remain so passive; I think not! Easy to judge when it isn't happening in your house.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Ed

      Matt, I completely agree. These are children. Stupid, but children nonetheless. What's disturbs me more that their video is the responses I've seen. There are people out on FB who have posted the full names, pictures, addresses of them and co-workers and also threathened not only them but their entire family. This story has uncovered a nation that is full of self-righteous and sick individuals who are more concerned about what they want and not what really should be done. These kids need to be punished, but not jailed. That's ridiculous. They should do some sort of community service and apologize to Mrs Klein by helping her around her home. Make them better people by teaching them responsibility and accountability.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
      • Mad Sam

        These "children" must suffer to the same extent that Karen Klein suffered or to an even worse degree.

        If they continue to behave the way they behaved in the video, they should be tortured and then, as Tony Montana would say it, given a "first-class ticket to the resurrection." Usual anti-bullying tactics do not work.

        When bullies begin to see themselves getting tortured and executed for their crimes, they will change their ways.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • seethelight

      my my opinions are different when you are not talking about black boys

      June 22, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • fritz

      As an adult, I'm stymied on what to do about such cruel kids. But as a child, I know what works. If you encounter a chronic bully who strongarms you out of your lunch money or get beaten up, you plot and plan with your bullied friends and attack the bully when he's most vulnerable, alone and with no witnesses. The bully is then beaten bloody then given a warning. "Next time, we kill you and no one will ever know what happened to you!" That was the end of the bullying for us. In our case, the bully was pulled from school and the family moved away. What happened to us? Nothing. We got away with it and exulted in our victory. Eventually, days later, one of my friends blabbed about it boasting how 'we nailed that punk' and we got called into the principle's office. We got chewed out for bullying and blasted on how we nearly kiled an innocent student and given a warning. That was the end of it. I'm not sure what moral there is in this except that humans really are animals that respond to pain and reward tactics.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  89. the_dude

    The kids should be tossed out of school. The parents can bear the burden of getting them private school.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  90. Mad Sam

    Those criminals will forever be the same. They are the reason that America is decaying from within and that there is evil and cruelty in the world.

    I suggest putting them through the horrors of true justice and making them into a public example for all to see. Until society fights the evil within, we will continue to be tormented by the enemies of what is right.

    The victims of these "mean" kids are – time and time again – scarred for life. We need to protect the populace by punishing the perpetrators in an equally or even more severe manner.

    Forget indoor suspensions and whippings.

    Forget holding up a humiliating sign and cleaning the cafeteria. Those punishments do not work.

    To me, a dungeon or execution chamber sounds more appropriate ... or just give them to Sandusky and let him have his way with them.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Ed

      @Mad Sam, I suggest seeking professional help.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
      • Mad Sam

        @Ed: Indeed, I will.

        June 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • George T

      Okay. Dude, you're a little over the top on this. Alone on this, actually.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • frank

      I love it Mad Sam.!

      June 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
  91. FluffyBunny

    To parents of the latest generation: Congratulations. You have raised an entire generation that is not educated on the concepts of "consequences", "respect" or "ethics". You have smothered your kids in unearned rewards and told them that they are special, no matter what they do. You have enrolled them in programs like "Fun Fair Positive Soccer" where they get a awards and trophies just for showing up. You have withdrawn any hint of discipline in horror of hurting your kid's feelings and stunting their little psyches for life. In short, you have created the little monsters we see on this video. Good job, mom and dad.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Really?

      @FluffyBunny.....Just curious what makes you so perfect??? Please tell us your secret!!!

      June 22, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Bob C.

      Bullying has always been this bad. It was this bad 100 years ago. Back then, a kid who was bullied was just told to "suck it up", because nobody believed how bad it actually was.

      Didn't the last generation bully minorities? Both kids and grown adults? Those news clips from the 1950s and 1960s must be figments of my imagination.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Pat

      I don't agree with the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality, but at the same time I disagree with the "First Runner-Up" means "First Loser". on the other side of that coin.

      June 22, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Ed

      You are quite presumptive

      June 22, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  92. Mad Sam

    These criminals will forever be the same. They are the reason that America is decaying from within and that there is evil and cruelty in the world.

    I suggest putting them through the horrors of true justice and making them into a public example for all to see. Until society fights the evil within, we will continue to be tormented by the enemies of what is right.

    The victims of these "mean" kids are – time and time again – scarred for life. We need to protect the populace by punishing the perpetrators in an equally or even more severe manner.

    Forget indoor suspensions and whippings.

    Forget holding up a humiliating sign and cleaning the cafeteria. Those punishments do not work.

    To me, a dungeon or execution chamber sounds more appropriate.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Cynic

      Definitely. We have got to stop these people from breeding. I don't give a darn whether they are 13 or not. The only way to deal with a Bad Seed is to destroy it. BTW, neuter their parents as well. They should be stopped from procreating.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  93. former schoolbus driver

    i use to drive schoolbus and middle school kids were the worse. no respect for adults in charge because they know there is nothing you can do to them. my way of dealing with them when they became unruly was to pull the bus over and let them know that the bus was not moving another inch until they became quiet, seated & respectful to the bus aide, fellow students & me. worked every time because i told them that i was paid by the hour and i would sit there as long as took for them to act like humans instead of animals. if they had talked to the bus aide like the kids in the video did i would have radioed the dispatcher and them contact the police and when they arrived i would have filed charges against them. bottom line- its the parents responsibility to raise their children to be respectful to everyone no matter what age, race, creed or color they are.

    June 22, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
  94. Jennifer

    I have a daughter who has 2 children, her husband is obnoxious, a drunk, they yell at each other and now their 4 year old son yells at her, I cannot tell her anything but I know the child will be in trouble at school, he is 4 and yells at his mother. Maybe because the father yelled at his mother growing up, there is no respect with kids today.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  95. HooksAndBullets

    Lots of posts that seem to start and end with punishment or dispcipline (same concept, different words). While I agree in consequences for those actions, punishment is NOT sufficient. If all you do is punish children, the lesson they learn is that those with power (e.g., parents and teachers) get to make the rules and inflict pain (physical or other) on others as retribution for defying their authority.

    Punishment must be accompanied by getting kids to explain why they did what they did. Morality cannot be effectively taught without self-awareness. If the kid is not compelled to explore why they did what they did, and why they thought it was okay to do it, they will not change the undelying beliefs that allowed them to bully others. This takes time and effort both on the part of the kids and adults. My guess is that nobody is going to invest the time and effort to make that happen. It is much easier to mead out punishment and congratulate oneself for having taken decisive action. Too bad.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Jim Nance

      "Talk to them"? "Get them to explain" ???? These kids dont need counseling; they need first hand experiance that certain actions have very undesirable consequences !

      June 22, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Cynic

      They are 13 years old. They should have been taught respect for others when they were 5. It's too late. Eliminate them. No one will miss them, and society will be the better for it.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Dan

      I disagree on punishment doesn't work. A young lad (16) hit my daughter in the face when she rejected his advances and threatened to rape her. She brought the issue to me and I resolved it through similar punishment and while I won't go into details I can guarentee he will go through the remainder of his life with a healthy respect for women. If your child takes the actions of an adult, he or she should be treated as an adult with adult consequences. No pandering to poor little kiddie because his parents were peices of dung that were more interested in themselves then raising their child. You touch or threaten my child I will recriprocate. If you're a bleeding heart liberal to afraid to discipline your children or give the basic social skills to survive in society then you should avoid having children.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • Me

        Agreed Dan!

        June 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Former Marine

      It's this nonsense "talk to them" soft-parenting crap that's causing this unruly behavior. When kids know that all they have to do is talk about the bad thing they did, they're going to continue to do the bad thing. If they're suddenly faced with true consequences for their actions, they'll start weighing the risks v rewards on their own.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  96. KenSanDiego

    This is one rare instance where i would endorse Public Caning. It is the most suitable punishment for their crimes. Public humiliation, embarrassment, shame...and pain.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  97. 123elle

    I too was bullied as a 13-year-old. My bullies barely even knew me, and yet they seemed to hate me fiercely and want to cause me pain. I was very tall, skinny and lanky - actually I had a model's figure, but in the 1950searly 1960s, that was considered a misfortune. They made me feel terrible about my body and the way I looked. The girls were mean in a different way (and some of them were supposed to be my friends!); they too mocked my body and were snide and wicked, planning activities and leaving me out on purpose.. laughing at me when I tried a new hairstyle. I walked around in total misery. And I couldn't escape it. I couldn't stay home from school.

    I finally made a sweet new friend and got a little older, as did the bullies. By 10th grade I had become very pretty and a "fashion plate" with my babysitting money. But the pain is still with me to this day.

    I do wish somebody had intervened on my behalf when I was getting tormented. Anybody, even one person could have shamed the bullies into silence. And that could have happened on this bus too if the other kids had not been such a bunch of "Good Germans" as they say, those who stood by and watched the Nazis bully and terrorize people and did nothing. I raised my own daughter to stand up for the bullied, and she was unafraid and passionate about that, which made me proud. She would no more have listened to the bullying on that bus than done it herself. She would have defended Ms. Klein and followed up on the punishment of the nasty little perps. Parents should teach their children to defend one another and shame the bullies. Bullies are cowards against an organized defense.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  98. Linda Rivera

    Our society if full of moral decay. Actions of these kids is discusting and the parents should be held as responsible and the kids. I know not one child in my famiily would do this because at a very early age they were taught right from wrong and respect for all people. THese parents are not paying enough attention to their children. So sad

    June 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  99. Maria

    I have been a waitress for over 3 years and in my experience the number of spoiled children greatly outnumber the ones who have good manners. Sometimes parents force their children to say thank you for everything but at the same time, those parents are rude, loud or don't even tip you. Schools are also responsible because they see chidren being bullied all the time and do nothing. You have to be blind to not seeing it.

    June 22, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Cynic

      This is the result of a society where the schools are more concerned with preserving a child's self-esteem than with teaching him respect for others and the ability to deal with constructive criticism. This is also the result of a society where children have more rights than adults. You can't discipline a child without worrying that someone is going to accuse you of child abuse. You can't defend yourself against a 13-year old "child" who is bigger than you are and who is tormenting you, because you are the one who will go to jail for it. Don't you think that kids know that they have the upper hand? This is a clear case of it.

      June 22, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
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