300,000 education jobs lost, White House urges investment
Students and teachers protest education cuts in Los Angeles in May 2011.
August 18th, 2012
06:01 AM ET

300,000 education jobs lost, White House urges investment

By the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) - Budget cuts are forcing districts to scale back on teachers and staff, resulting in larger class sizes and fewer school days, according to a White House report released Saturday.

More than 300,000 education jobs have been lost since the end of the recession in June 2009, said the report, which was prepared by the White House Council of Economic Advisers, Domestic Policy Council and National Economic Council.

"Think about what that means for our country. At a time when the rest of the world is racing to out-educate America, these cuts force our kids into crowded classrooms, cancel programs for preschoolers and kindergarteners, and shorten the school week and the school year. That's the opposite of what we should be doing as a country," the report quotes President Barack Obama from an address in June.

As a result of the cuts, the national student-teacher ratio increased from 2008 to 2010, from 15.3 to 16, the report said, reversing nearly a decade of gains. Typical class sizes are larger than the ratio because it includes teachers for students with disabilities and other special cases.

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Some schools are also shaving the number of days students spend behind their desks by shortening the school week, school year and trimming programs like preschool and kindergarten, the report said.

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The White House report, "Investing in our Future: Returning Teachers to the Classroom," highlighted the potential consequences of such cuts: lower graduation rates and overall achievement levels. Obama also discussed teacher hiring his weekly address.

The report, which comes in an election year for Obama, also stressed the need to invest in education and praised Obama's plan to provide $25 billion to prevent layoffs and strengthen public education, while slamming Republicans in U.S. House of Representatives for passing a budget that would cut non-defense discretionary spending by almost 20%.

Republican Mitt Romney's education plan emphasizes school choice over efforts to reduce class sizes, a stance he said was backed by some studies, and his experiences as governor of Massachusetts. Earlier this year, he said he frequently heard teachers seek smaller class sizes, but some of the worst-performing schools in the state had small classes.

"Just getting smaller classrooms didn't seem to be the key," he said.

The White House report echoed some campaign rhetoric, urging action to keep students from falling behind and touting Obama's American Jobs Act. The American Federation of Teachers and National Education Association released statements Saturday in support of Obama's plan, warning of "poverty spiking and student enrollment increasing," and calling class size "a critical piece of the school improvement puzzle."

"The difference between the President's education budget proposals and those of Congressional Republicans highlights a choice between two fundamentally different visions for our country," the report said. "Nowhere is this contrast more clear than with regard to the choice about investments in teachers and educators as we enter the upcoming school year."

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  1. sithlord1

    You can thank the democrats and all you fools who voted for them.

    August 20, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
  2. Principal Thots

    I have seen this sent to me via email a number of times and somehow I think it is fitting that I share it here...

    Are you sick of highly paid teachers?

    Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit! We can get that for less than minimum wage.

    That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).

    Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

    LET’S SEE….
    That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

    What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

    Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is!

    The average teacher’s salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

    August 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Monique

      Dumb -ss just know that if you wanted to pay teachers $3/hr. you will then have to take care and teach your own children and the neighbors children. No one wants to be saddled with your children and their brain-damaged parents!

      August 20, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Tabby

      I agree with you . some public school teachers are desparate housewife and do a very notoriously amazing !! test to our children like they are superman. I experieced last year when my daughter got A all classes, which is IMPOSSIBLE.
      Teachers who earned a lot of money but ;perform smthing like "crazy" in order to keep parents love them and they can get hired. Very ridigulous of all time. we are lured !!!

      August 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Sal Grimaldi

      You forgot to add in all the secretaries,administrators,coaches,maintenance and cleaning staff. plus the utilities and upkeep on the buildingsand the books and teaching supplies cleaning supplies. In other worde you have a cranial rectal problem! If you don"t know what that means ask a teacher. You really need to learn how to fill out a profit and loss statement schools are going broke from the cutbacks that Obama put in place. Go to a school board meeting and listen to the expenses they are public information.

      August 22, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Jeanette Toomer

      Please check out my blog for more educated comments about teachers and improving literacy instruction for students. I want to recommend an article in the NCTE journal, Teaching English in the Two-Year College, May 2012 issue. Paul Morris provides detailed explanation of how to use annotation and other reading strategies in high school to better prepare students for college. Go to http://www.dramadiscoveryandlearning.com/blog. For the full article visit the website of the National Council of Teachers of English, http://www.ncte.org.

      August 27, 2012 at 9:04 am |
  3. Joe in Kalispell

    Notice one sign include Spanish? Deport illegals, we will need less teachers.

    August 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  4. Will


    August 20, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • DrEvil

      You are an ignorant bigot.

      August 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Joe in Kalispell

      You are the white trash.

      August 20, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Monique

      Love it! Only trailer trash will call you a bigot!

      August 20, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Concerned Parent

      WOW, what amazing "words of wisdom" from a complete fool who has never been anywhere near the south in their enire life!
      You must be one of those "shining examples" of the "excellent" school systems of the northern snob states, huh? You are setting such a fine example for your ignorant hoodlums to follow...

      August 21, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
  5. gb333

    I've always wondered why we don't revamp our entire education system.

    Has there been any studies going towards only making kids go to the 9th grade? Then offering either a trade school or further education via High School but making both of these a choice? Is a slacker 12th grader that barely gets by any smarter than what he was in the 9th grade?

    In this way the kids that are going to High School actually want to be there. And possibly deserve to be there due to have the intelligence or the desire or both.

    Also what about online classes? Seems there is a lot that can be done with technology to both improve teaching, and reduce costs.

    Now, I could be totally wrong. But I think it would be money well spent to fund 5-10 different schooling systems throughout the country using alternative teaching methods and finding out which one is best, or even combining the methods based on best results to see if even better results are made.

    August 20, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Principal Thots

      The studies are out there, but the current push is to mandate education until 18. I do not see anyone suggesting going back to the tracking of students (like in the 60s) where you test and then it is determined at the start of high school where you will go. This has merit but it also has drawbacks and requires that one has a proper test instrument in the first place. Right now too much time is being spent teaching to the tests as is as to create a system such as you are suggesting has enough holes in it that it is not likely to occur anytime soon. But don't be shy about writing your State Board of Education and suggesting it...then go see your local school board...talk with your building principals. They would all love to hear your ideas.

      August 20, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
  6. pOLLI

    iN TEXAS MANY COMPLAIN all their students are illegals kids......theya re trying to teach to kids who do not speak the language and just sit there....how is this helping america?Obama Just gave the Unions bringing in and supporting illegals $30 Billion this week.....afl-cio and others...GET MAD MOMS AND DADS...GET EVEN....Get out and Vote against the Obamaland Dictator.... "see this:http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/29/Non-Partisan"

    August 20, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Monique

      Just posting stupid stuff. If you are a true Texan then you know unions are not powerful in the at will state!

      August 20, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
  7. TIM

    Anyone who doesn't consider the state of our Education system in crisis is extremely ignorant. Smaller classrooms means teachers can give more one on one help to students that need it. It's not the only problem teachers face but it is one of the big ones. Out-dated text books, shorter school days, elimination of needed school programs and underpaid teachers all contribute to the state of our Eductation system. The fix, invest ALLOT more money into our public education system. This should be common sense and the fact that it is not to most people really worries me. I see the movie, Idiocracy, becoming more a reality we ever though possible if we continue this course. Of course, Romney doesn't care. He and the rest of his extremely wealthy friends send their kids to private schools. Romney is all about keeping the rich in power and oppressing the poor and middle class.

    August 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • kls817

      Spending more money is not the answer. Other countries whose students outperform ours spend a lot less.
      Also, this whole topic is largely moot at the federal level because education spending is done by the states.
      The federal bureaucray needs to stay out of education.

      The best approach would be to bust the self-serving teachers unions who want complete job security for bad teachers and who set themselves up with such lucrative pensions that state services must be cut (including teachers) to fund them.

      August 20, 2012 at 3:27 pm |

        you are exactly correct

        since the creation of the dept of education and the unionization of teachers, the costs have gone up and the results have gone down exponentially.

        break the unions, eliminate the dept of ed and let locals run their own schools, they have the most invested in the results and will work harder for better results than unelected beuarocrats in wasington,.

        August 20, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
      • Michael

        ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? You are clueless as to what education is really like so please, since my job is to teach, let me educate you in the matter.

        The countries that out perform the U.S. on standardized tests 1. Teach to the test. 2. Do not test their "Special Ed" student population. and 3. Have parents that support the teacher and education of the child instead of making excuses for why homework was not done, or saying that the test was too hard and poor (insert your child's name here) had other things to do and could not study properly, so please let him/her retake the test with NO penalty.

        Teacher Unions ARE NOT keeping bad teachers in the class room; teacher's unions protect the rights of the teacher. If a teacher is bad, like in any other profession, proof and a paper trail will allow an administrator to dismiss them. However, having a union does mean that I can have some protection for a possible $h1T-head parent that is upset that their darling did not make the softball team, or earn an A in my class when they did little to no work.

        As for your comment on "lucrative pension fund"... YOU MUST BE ON DRUGS!!!! We must work for 30 years for full retirement and our salaries are NOT what you think they are (the National averages are calculated by including ALL in education... administrators, president of the universities, etc... not just your local public school teacher). Most of us work extra jobs over the summer as well as constantly having to take more classes for re-certification as well as being current on new methods and technologies. Now, before you say the age old "if you don't like it then quit", please understand that most do. The percentage is not good for teacher's making it through their first 5 years, and it is due to jack-a$$es like you that think we do it for money, summer vacation or because we cannot do anything else (my background is engineering). We work constantly to improve our lessons, instructional practices and knowledge, all while being asked to tutor more, coach more volunteer more and do it for the "good of the kids". This comes at the expense of our family and our own time, which we continue to give up for YOUR kids.

        Please do all of us teachers a favor and go sub in a high school for 2 weeks, come back and have an educated conversation pretending that those 2 weeks give you the right to speak, or shut the @^&#-up.

        August 20, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
      • Teacher X

        Hear hear, Michael! I have taught for 10 years and everything he said is SPOT ON. A big chunk of my money goes to pay my health care and my retirement. My health care is partially subsidized but money is also deducted from my paycheck since the premiums are significantly higher than the subsidy. As for the "pension", I hope no one thinks the district is giving that to us using taxpayer money? I am required by the state to pay 5% of my salary towards my retirement fund. The state gives me the option to pay more if I wish (I'm currently saving 15%, which is the maximum allowable), since I will not be able to survive after retirement if I only save 5% each year. I also have a TSA taking money from my paycheck, since teacher salaries haven't kept up with COLA.

        As for our union, our representatives are all classroom teachers we elect to be our voice. They do not get a salary. A few of our officers do get a stipend...and they earn it 100x over. When the district refused to honor a promise they made to all of us, our union officers pledged to stay at the negotiation table until they could reach a compromise both the district and teachers could live with. And stay they did...22 hours nose to nose with a district-hired strike breaker. Unlike the district, the union kept its promise to us: it's not the concessions the district promised us, but it was a deal I could live with.

        August 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Principal Thots

      Money alone will not solve the problem. This is a systemic issue and it permeates more than the Education System. Perhaps it is time to consider an overhaul of the Federal Government System?

      August 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  8. Max

    Wow. 6,000 jobs (in education alone!) lost per state? I wasn't aware the unions had padded the jobs that extensively.

    August 20, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • R Quarles

      To balance the budget, some hard choices must be made, including cuts in education. What truly will help in the end is parental involvement in support of teachers, and support of education.

      August 20, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Teacher X

      Max: they didn't. They weren't cut because they weren't needed. They were just cut.

      August 20, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
  9. teacher757seesTHEtruth

    American education is primarily judged by these two factors; test scores are not as high as we would like AND the dropout rates are too high. Scores and graduation rates are what the general public base their judgments on. So then we look to find out why and we can come up with several possible reasons as to why there is failure. Funding and class size are valid arguments. There are others as well. As an educator at the high school level, I see a bigger reason for failure that isn’t often discussed among the general public. Just like any other job, there are excellent, good, average, fair, and poor employees. These are your downtown officials, building principals, teachers, and assistants. As a teacher, I know when I’m giving my best and when I have slacked a little. I also see when my co-workers put their best effort forth each day or slack off each day. If you want to fix education, DESIGN AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO EVALUATE TEACHERS AND THEN GET RID OF THEM WHEN THEY DON’T PERFORM!!!!! It is very difficult to fire a person in education so they should start by re-writing the laws and procedures so that it is possible to fire these people who don’t care. Fact: drug testing is required in many different jobs including retail but it is NOT required to become a teacher!!!! This is just an example of how slack it is to become a teacher. At the end of the day, if you weed out the bad teachers and replace them with effective ones, then you will see test scores and graduation rates RISE. Obama or Romney, republican or democrat, use this as the primary way to reform education and you will see the results. Beware though, whichever party or candidate who ignores this specific issue might be the one that is trying to keep the majority uneducated to control their vote. A GOOD TEACHER CAN MOTIVATE THEIR STUDENTS TO LEARN, KEEP THEM ENGAGED, CONTROL THE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT, AND DESIGN A RIGOROUS LESSON REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MATERIAL THEY HAVE, HOW MANY STUDENT THEY HAVE, HOW MUCH IS IN THE BUDGET, WHAT RACES OR SOCIO-ECONOMIC GROUPS THEY HAVE OR ANYTHING ELSE OTHERS TRY TO USE AS EXCUSES FOR FAILURE. Of course it is easier for the good teacher when money isn’t an issue !

    August 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Sawtooth

      The quality of the human material that teachers are tasked to educate is a major factor.

      August 20, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
      • teacher757seesTHEtruth

        Do you mean the "character" of the student? I'm assuming that's what you are saying and if that is the case then no, the "bad characters" don't run my classroom. I have taught pregnant teens, teens under house arrest (theives, assaulters, dealers, etc.), rude, and the rich & spoiled teens. My classroom management ERASES these pre-determined characteristics prior to entering my room. Do these kids still have these charactersitics? Yes, they act up again when they leave my classroom and I hear about it from other teachers. The difference is my expectations are HIGHER than these other teachers.

        August 20, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • TIM

      I agree compeletely! Educational funding is a main problem that most schools face but it is "bad" teachers that is the biggest problem most schools face. I never understood why so many people that hate kids become teachers. As you state, teachers can tell when themselves and their co-workers are not really trying but so can students. Actually, I believe students are a better judge of a teacher not putting forth the needed effort. If a teacher isn't giving the effort, their students will not either.

      August 20, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • intimidatoroftdo

      Wow...it must be awesome to be the greatest teacher on the planet. I am married to a teacher who works hard everyday..has to supply her own materials for students..has very little backing from her administration. Maybe instead of running down your fellow teachers..you should try to help them with your vast abilities to become better teachers but I have a feeling your opinion of yourself is much greater than reality.

      August 20, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
      • Principal Thots

        This whole topic is a hot button and one that always rears its head during election season. Unfortunately we really do not have a strong Educational candidate out there and regardless of the politics, the reality is that all walks of life are going to be taking financial hits in the coming years. We cannot continue to live as if we have an endless pot of gold for education. Yet, we must work with greater diversity within the classroom daily. Regardless of being the "best" or "worst" teacher on the planet there are too many things that need to be done and not enough in the trenches to accomplish our task overnight. We have to face the harsh realities and parents do need to step up and help out. Administrators need to get out of their offices more and into the classrooms more, business owners need to take a walk on the education side and help us train these children for the jobs of tomorrow – it is time to merge business and education if we want to compete in the global marketplace.

        August 20, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
      • teacher757seesTHEtruth

        I never said I was the “greatest.” I have given up cable tv. That’s $70 x 12 months = $840 that I now have to possibly spend in my classroom. I have worked diligently to make things right, sometimes with administrations blessings and sometimes without it. I have several bad days in the classroom and I have made many silly mistakes over the years. I learn from them though and I don’t make those mistakes again. As for not helping my fellow teachers, I am frequently involved in professional development presentations to share what works and I have been on teams that help design lessons and curriculums. The problem is that there are teachers out there who either don’t care or they are set in their ways or they lack the ability to recognize when things are going wrong. It’s very difficult to change the opinion of an adult if they are like this. The simplest way to educate a student is to get them to care, to show them the “why.” You can’t do this if they don’t respect you. If they don’t respect you, they will not follow your directions or expectations and they will have a difficult time learning in that kind of environment. So the “advice” I give to fellow teachers is to remain positive, never lose your patience, and show some passion about the topic you are trying to convince the audience about. The teacher should have the ability to adapt and remain 100% optimistic about future events. If students are engaged, there is NO TIME to act up, it’s that simple! It’s funny how that advice can work in any working environment, especially retail. So please understand that I am using the term bad teacher for the ones who can’t or won’t change, not the ones who try and don’t make those mistakes again. I don’t think I’m above other teachers, it’s just so frustrating when you try to share what works and they laugh in your face and say whatever, similar to the way I see them treat their students.

        August 20, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
  10. Poor Teachers

    Why do teachers always complain about their low pay anyways? They went to school.. they know what they are getting into. They get a paying job and they are just about at the poverty level. Jokes on them. Thumbs up for the Liberal Arts major... ha ha ha.

    August 20, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • teacher757seesTHEtruth

      Excellent teachers don't care about the pay, I worked for several years without a raise. In fact, I would still teach if they cut my salary. I would just have to adjust the way I spend my money.

      August 20, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
      • MRN32

        Thank you, I didn’t think there were still teachers like you out there.

        August 20, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  11. Brian in DC

    Yeah, giving more money to the unions is not the answer.

    August 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  12. Barry G.

    Is this because of outsourcing?

    If so, I imagine it won't be long, before every job in America will be outsourced somewhere or to someone elsel and, then the Wall Street Bankers and those outsourcing our jobs will have all of the money.

    Of course our politicians (both parties) will still be extremely rich. They will continue to take lobby money and sell out our contry, as they have since the administratioini of Ulysses S. Grant.

    August 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • WOTAN

      Yes, the teachers are outsourced to India-ns, and the kids are in the US. Next up is Joe Da Plumber – da plumbers will be in India and your plumbing will be here in the USA. Cheese and rice, wake up. Every state, county, and city, unless they are lucky enough to have an energy resources, for now, is battling with revenue vs. spending. Can everyone be a teacher or so some people have to have other jobs to pay for teachers? We had $30/hr manufacturing jobs and those people paid taxes, now those jobs are gone or they are $15/hr and the worker pays little if any taxes. Do workers with $60k income buy more stuff and pay more state and local sales tax, or do workers with $30k incomes? Reduce all sources of revenue from 'workers' AND reduce revenue from TheRich – yeah, how's that working for ya?

      August 20, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  13. penguins42

    Quick, we need Derek Zoolander and his Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too to help offset this deficiency of teachers!

    August 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  14. 00TATEXAS

    Just more scare the voter stuff the Demos have nothing else to run on they only have to scare the people to think the republicans are the devil. May be ther was 300,000 too many teachers to begin with.

    August 20, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • David

      Obviously, since it is apparent you learned nothing in school.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Firedog51

      If my math from my school days is right, (And it is because I had great teachers), at 30 kids per room that should equal 9 million poorly educated potential Republican voters.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • alex

      Expository. A sterling example of our education process.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Concerned Parent

      Yes, We all know how little Republicans care about their own children's education! Congratulations! YOU are a SHINNING EXAMPLE!!!!

      August 21, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  15. furdburfle

    "Think about what that means for our country. At a time when the rest of the world is racing to out-educate America, these cuts force our kids into crowded classrooms, cancel programs for preschoolers and kindergarteners, and shorten the school week and the school year. That's the opposite of what we should be doing as a country," the report quotes President Barack Obama from an address in June."

    Sounds like a Republican Wet Dream

    August 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • David

      We can spend $600,000 training each soldier/police officer in Afghanistan but less that $30,000 from K through 12 for each student here. Go figure.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
      • WOTAN

        David, are you related to King David, who searched the 'entire world' for gold and riches, and how much de he pay for those soldiers that were able to take gold from Africa. We have $600k for regular army in Afghanistan, and how much for Special Forces now in Africa protecting the 'US Interests' which are gold, diamonds, oil, and timber. You enemy is ignorance, and your ignorance had allowed DC to give this country to Wall Street. Sure was fun while the party lasted – but you are now sewing what you reaped.

        August 20, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  16. iceload9

    You keep what you value. All the parents who complained incessantly about the teachers , the schools, the administration, well you got your wish in a few years you won't have to worry about them at all. You can teach your "bored, unmotivated, brilliant but not noticed) prodigy.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  17. Ah'sheet M'Drurz

    Ahh Great Satan, your stupid children will be your final undoing.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:55 pm |

      Ya, just give em a Quran with a thousand dollars and teach them how to blow themselves up, moron.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Barbara

      Atleast we don't encourage our kids to blow themselves up in the name of Satan!

      August 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Barbara


      August 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  18. OldGrouch

    One thing to keep in mind: As we all know, a politician's worst enemy is an informed electorate. This would explain a lot about the Republican's ideas of wasteful spending.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:39 pm |

      If education was the answer to society's problems, the educated idiot whom you voted for wouldn't have driven our country into the ground.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
      • David

        Are you talking about "W", since he was the one who drove this country into the ground with two wars and unrestrained greed in banking and Wall Street.

        August 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
      • Concerned Parent

        If YOU had actually received a proper education, then YOU would comprehend the well known FACT that it was YOUR saviour, the great "George W" that caused our entire recession! YOU need to go back to school and educate yourself!...

        August 21, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  19. Willy Brown

    300'000 lost = 300'000 less being froced to pay union dures to the DNC and Trumkpa's fat cats. Anything or numbers coming out of the White House I'd take with a grain of salt anyway.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • David

      Withyout Unions you would not have
      1. child labor laws
      2 Paid holidays
      3. paid vacations
      4. Minimum wage and overtime laws.
      5. Pesnions
      6. Health insurance through your employer.

      We would be very similar to the worker in China, is that what you want?

      August 20, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
      • Bob

        So now that the federal government has created laws and alphabet agencies to maintain workers rights, it only stands to reason that unions have outlived their usefulness.

        August 20, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  20. alpg49

    Not a problem. Noted education expert, Mitt Willard Romney says a study concluded that class size doesn't matter.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Coflyboy

      neither does education for the middle class and the poor.

      August 20, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Concerned Parent

      Willard knows that you don't need an education to simply steal other people's money!

      August 21, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
  21. Dr. I think we need Schools

    "Budget cuts are forcing districts to scale back on teachers and staff, resulting in larger class sizes and fewer school days, according to a White House report released Saturday." White House should have a report on it, they are the ones that cut the jobs in the first place ... !!!

    August 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Sildenafil

      You obviously don't have any clue how the education system works. The federal gov't doesn't hire or fire teachers, nor are they federal gov't employees. They work for the school districts, which are typically city/county run. But go on, blame the White House for the layoffs, your cat's hairballs and your flat tire you had this morning.

      August 20, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
      • youcanthandlethetruth

        U.S. Government contributes about 10 cents to every dollar spent on K-12 education – less than the majority of countries in the world. Get off your high horse and do some research. I love people who make comments about educators that don't have a clue about what it takes to be a good one.
        "Every member of Congress and every state-elected lawmaker should be required to head to a school for a week and the meet with teachers on the Friday before their teaching assignment. The Friday before would be for teachers to give them a tour of the classroom and school; the state standards for the content areas they are responsible for on a daily basis; district content curriculum maps and answer any questions they might have on that day. However, since many politicians believe "anyone can teach" – they'd receive no help from teachers for that week.

        At the start of their first day would be a pre-test given in every subject area that they will be teaching that week. It would be administered under testing security protocols to ensure that an appropriate testing environment was established for the students and ensure the security of the tests from start to finish.

        From the point they finished the pre-test until Friday afternoon when the post-test would be administered, the politicians would follow the daily schedule and routines whilst teaching these students. At the end of the week, the post-test would be administered in all of the content areas – and that test would be compared to the pre-test for gains and losses. And if their students make gains – meaning they went up and didn't stay the same, they could keep their salaries for the year; however, if their students had losses based upon the baseline data of the pre-test, they'd lose their salaries for the year and that money be earmarked for education.

        I would like to think – hope – that politicians would then understand, because of this experience, that the majority of teachers in the US work extremely hard with very little; that under-funding education is directly related to the future successes or failures of our nation in a global economy; that the majority of teachers truly are in our classrooms for the right reason (yes, there are bad teachers out there ... just like there are bad bankers, managers, et al.); that bashing teachers in the political arena does nothing more than tell parents/students that teachers should not be respected or valued for what they are doing on a daily basis.

        Would this ever happen? To be blunt – there's not a snowball's chance in hell. Why? Because it would require politicians to do the right thing and 'playing' with the money of people – well, you get it, right? Let's hope that, for the sake of our children, that our politicians realize you have to invest in the future and it starts with education. If we're going to say that public education must be offered – let's pay for it and invest in the teachers who spend long hours working to make sure that our students are learning what they need to know!" Bryce prev blog

        August 20, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  22. OregonTom

    I just opened the doors to an art school for wayward girls.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
  23. Coflyboy

    Who has money to educate kids to compete in a global economy?? We have wars to fight! We have oil companies to subsidize! We have campaigns to fund!
    Get your priorities straight! We will be leaving this unnecessary education stuff to "socialist" countries.

    August 20, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • robn21bird

      And let's not forget the billions of dollars it costs to reach planets millions of miles away in space. We'll all reap the benefits at those tax dollars – right? sure we will!!!

      August 20, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
      • Teacher's Husband - Engineer

        II read a lot of stupid (and some good) writing in reply to this article, but this one made me wonder. I wondered about your education, and how you come to determine that we shouldn't be spending a small percentage of the gross domestic product on space programs for things like robots with lasers on distant planets.

        The internet you used to post your comment was made possible by multiple NASA programs, starting with the first one. That is where they determined what protocols to use to communicate with the space borne machines. Many years later, those same protocols were used to create a basis for internet communication.

        Satellite TV, Fiber optic systems, microwaves, computers, lasers, etc, are all based in bleeding edge research that was originally funded by the government and often put into practice by our space programs prior to becoming consumer class technologies that are the basis of our current technological leadership on this planet.

        I don't like what this country has become over the last decade, and I really detest the "outsourcing" movement but the space program is one place where we should continue to spend our dollars. We need to invest those dollars smartly so that we can minimize waste, but we cannot afford to fall behind in science. That is the one thing this country has to offer the globe at the moment. They can take the manufacturing jobs to other countries, but they can't take the inventiveness and creativity away.

        If this country is to continue to be in the top 2 or 3 countries in the world over the long haul, we must create more and better technologies than any one else. That is the only thing we have to barter with.

        Along those same lines, we need to educate each and every child to the best of their ability to make sure that the future populace of this country has the opportunity to help push the technological barriers forward.

        This country was built on hard labor, but the future is in hard work (not labor). We must work hard to stay the leaders of manufacturing systems and technological advancements. If we do, we will survive and prosper until local manufacturing becomes economically feasible again. If we don't, this country will no longer be the place that people dream of moving to. That honor will be bestowed upon Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, et al. People of means are already moving their families to these countries, as those locations give their children the best possible future.

        August 20, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
      • Concerned Parent

        Robn – YOU are reaping those benefits right now by the very fact that you have a computer and access to the internet! Without the Space Program you wouldn't have cell phones, ipads, laptops, mp3 players, wifi, flat screen HD TVs nor the INTERNET!! Your whining only highlights your own ignorance...

        August 21, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  24. allens

    oh don't worry, the wealthy are ot affected by this. they have private schools for their kids. and thank god their tax rates will be restored to help hem with tuitions for their kids. the republicans must go for the good of the majority. you may not like obama,bt he stands up for the mjority. what reubs an you name that do that?

    August 20, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  25. Prime Controller

    Notice that GOP unions like Police and Prison Guards are not touched?

    August 20, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • masherwould

      Are you kidding?! There are no GOP unions. All unions contribute to the DEMS because the DEMS feed them all the pork they can hold.

      August 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Frederick Douglass Adovcate

      The reason why there is not a decrease in prison guards or prison infrastructure is because there is a direct correlation between literacy rates and the amount of people who will go to prison in their lifetime. The less educated you are, the more likely you are going to prison sometime in your life. We build prisons based on second and third grade literacy rates. It's sad but true. I guess with loosing teachers, we will probably see a spike in crime, leading to an increase in prison infrastructure. In addition, many scholars suggest that there is a direct correlation in student-teacher ratio and the quality of education, assuming we are discussing a quality instructor. As an instructor, I see this everyday when I come to class. I want to provide the one-on-one time that many students need, but with so many students in a classroom, it becomes difficult to provide that necessary one on one time with every student. In turn, there are some students who are unable to receive the additional help they need or desire. I think it's ridiculous to assume that student-teacher ratio doesn't matter. I think some of these law makers need to sit in on an inner-city public school classroom to see what it's really like and base their decision on that. This may open their eyes to the harsh reality of our poor education system. If anyone is interested, please read Kozol's "Amazing Grace." It provides a depiction of lower socioeconomic status areas and the education system for these underprivileged students.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  26. MalcolmJamalWarner

    The problem is the Comprehension Assesment Tests that the teachers must prepare the students for, the focus should be less on CAT testing and more on learning. If you're rich you can afford the good schools, if not you have to do your best with public schools. I went to public and turned out jst fine. Communications major w/ minor in Music Appreciation.

    August 20, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  27. Neece

    You know, unfortunately, this does not surprise me. However, in the wake of the biggest economic disaster since the great depression, I wonder how many bankers and politicians lost their jobs! Change will not come about until the masses stand up and let them know that we are tired of certain people making billions off our blood and sweat! We have to make ourselves heard or we are doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    August 20, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • john

      How many politicians lost their jobs?

      August 20, 2012 at 1:29 pm |

        70% of the workforce is employed by this Czar administration. Go to the source of this problem, genius.

        August 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
      • Concerned Parent

        BRANTICUS, the Source of the problem is FOOLS like YOU!

        August 21, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
  28. pointless1

    Teachers aren't allowed to teach. State requires them to do so many other things it's more like 90% paperwork, 2% teaching and 8% explaining to parents their isn't anything a teacher can do for a child when they for one, don't want to apply themselves, have parents who don't care enough to see what their child is doing in school or even having some kind of structure at home to re-enforce what they learned during the day.

    Parents..... If you did your job, they would be able to do theirs more effectively.

    August 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Ed

      You expect parents to take responsibility for their own children and actually care if they do their homework? You must be crazy – the only thing that works is to pour endless dollars into the school budgets.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • So this is what you do

      You make up BS "statistics" and then put the failures of the government back in the laps of the working class. Parents who do exactly as you state are already at their wits end. Even if we do everything right as parents, this state of affairs has got to change – we cannot keep chipping away at the education budget just because it's an easy target for people who make up excuses not based in reality. Offer something that backs up your ridiculous claims or stfu.

      August 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  29. CatSh

    Eff the federal government. Congress is broke – both socially and financially. States need to pick up the slack and provide their citizens with working government. If the GOP wants a smaller federal government, this should be a step in the right direction. Play it right and we can make the whole irresponsible lot of the (Congress) irrelevant as well...

    August 20, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Concerned Parent

      I realize that your little "small government" fantasy sounds so good when you say it to yourself, but you might want to look at how other countries with small central governments compare to modern western world! Have you spent any time reading about Somolia, Haiti, Ethiopia, Indonesia or Chile? These are EXCELLENT examples of countries with SMALL CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS! Try living in one of those heII holes for a year and then come back and see if you still want to preach about "small government"!?? Wake up and smell the coffee!

      August 21, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
  30. Ed

    300,000 gone nationwide yet class size only increased by 1 student per class on the average. Seems they are just cutting the fat which needs to be done with tight budgets. By the way your don't "invest" in the future by hiring the fat back – you invest in the future by getting all government to balance their budgets.

    August 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  31. dc4sense

    Private schools do better overall because they better methods of discipline availble to them. A poor education is the result of poor parenting and poor student motivation – rarely is it because of bad teachers – though I am not saying there arent any bad teachers.

    August 20, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • CatSh

      There are quite a few recent studies that make it clear that class performance is directly related to the family's economic situation. I've seen the results personally. It's not that the poor family doesn't care about making sure their children do well. But with parents working multiple jobs just to pay rent and put food on the table, there is no one at home to help kids stay on track. they come home, ditch the homework and hang out with their buddies. Kids have a hard time seeing how school will help them have a better life. They need a trusted adult to help them see the big picture.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Karen

      I can agree on some levels, although I always went to public schools. We had average class sizes of 32 from the earliest grades on. We behaved and we learned. Fortunately, back in those days (I went to first grade in 1965), a family (there were 4 children in our family) could exist comfortably on one income, so most of the children I went to school with had one parent at home while the other parent worked. If we misbehaved at school, which was something most of us never dared to do, we were disciplined right away, and then we caught it at home, too. Different times, I know, but who's to say it's better now? I know that I was saddened to see that the local high school boasted that their students averaged 1000 on the SATs last year. When I was in high school, we didn't even admit it if we scored that low (I scored 1300, only as an FYI).

      And to Paul, who said above:
      "All of the educational funding in the world will not fix the social problems the kids bring to school with them."
      My point exactly.

      The times, they are a changin', and it hasn't been for the better.

      August 20, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Concerned Parent

      dc – "Private schools do better overall because they better methods of discipline availble to them" BULLKRAP! There is NO evidence whatsoever to support your ficticous claim! I have been following the performance and test scores of our local schools for decades now and I can prove that our local public schools CONSISTANTLY OUT-PERFORM all of the private "snob" schools in our region! Our public schools produce FAR more National Merit Scholars, earn MUCH better ACT and SAT scores and have higher rates of college attendance! Many of our local parents who insist upon sending their children to private schools do so because of so-called "religious" reasons or just simple bigotry! Snobs will be snobs!

      August 21, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
  32. MM

    300,000 salaries saved for the tax payers.

    August 20, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • pointless1

      By that statement alone, there isn't a teacher on any level who could re-teach that type on ingrained stupidity.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  33. NWGuyInTheRain1

    Maybe we could teach just the children that CITIZENS of the United States, instead of turning a blind eye to all the ILLEGAL in this country that place a huge burden on the infrastructure.

    August 20, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Ed

      Excellent point. If there is not enough money to school children that are citizens of the U.S. – the 1st priority should be to eliminate all illegal alien children from the schools and deport them with their parents back to their countries. Do that first – then talk about "more investment" in teachers. Probably would be able to eliminate even more teachers.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
      • Now Why

        Unfortuneately, it would cost more money to do that. it would be more economicaly responsible to educate the cheldren so that they can contribute to our communities.

        August 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
      • Parker

        If you deport all the illegals who will harvest the crops ?

        August 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  34. OregonTom

    Don't have so many children.

    August 20, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Unit34AHunter

      Don't have so many wars.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  35. SlayFalseGod

    The Only People on the Tax Payers Dime a right winger likes are soldiers – everyone else is a leach. Go figure.

    August 20, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • jimbo913

      Well except those in elected positions. Those are okay to keep paying for health care, pensions, etc. Gotta love them talking about all the other freeloaders while flying around the country on the public dime.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • MeanOldMAn

      Ah, but not all military personel, ony the ones that aren't gay.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • mike

      Until they come home. Once they're vets, they are just another drain on the system.

      August 20, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  36. Shammalammadingdong

    Education is one of the foundations of a functioning society. Spending more on education now will reduce spending in other key areas later that originate from a lack of education (crime, welfare, low wages, stagnating economy) and lead to economic prosperity and the overall well-being of this nation (skilled labor, innovation, social skills, public awareness.)

    August 20, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Shane

      Excellent observation. That's called "Looking Forward". This is something that the majority of people in politics don't do. They seem to only look forward to winning their next term. There are no more TRUE statesmen...

      August 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Ed

      The Federal Government has pured trillions into education on the concept that more money and more teachers will cure all of society ills in the future. Those trillions solved nothing and the fact is if parents don't give a darn about their children's school work no amount of money given to schools is going to fix anything. Schools are over-funded already, the problem is how they spend and waste the money they already get.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
      • The Real Tom Paine

        Here's a thought: eliminate interscholastic sports. If a town is dead set on having a great football team, let them fund it directly, don't tie it into the school. This waste of money that occurs when you tie a football or basketball program into education is ridiculous. Schools should not be a test bed for sports that people rarely play beyond high school. Same thing with collegiate sports. Eliminate the corruption by insisting the NFL and NBA create developmental leagues or a farm system, rather than using colleges to grow their stars. As far as the schools are concerned, tell the parents to do their jobs and talk to their child's teachers, rather than assuming their kids are telling the truth. The lack of accountability of parents is staggering, and the pathetic excuses they give serve as fodder for the Right to attack teachers, rather than dealing with the social and economic problems created by policies that have stagnated the middle class over the last 3 decades.

        August 20, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  37. Carprin

    Is this America? 300 Thousand Educators let go? How will we be able to produce a "World Class" Educational System without Teachers and a support staff? What we are seeing here is the effects of Budget Cuts. In many of these states the Republican Governors refused to accept the President's Stimilus Funds that would keep Teachers and Firefighters and Police on the job.
    If the Republicans win the White House it will get even worse. They have talked about gutting the Department of Education and Block Granting the funds back to the States. do we have a Federal System or What? We all know what happened when the States Controlled Education. The Doctrine of Seperate but Equal was the order of the day. Black Communities /majority black School Districts did not het the same level of funding as the majority White Districts
    On the campaign trail we hear a lot of talk about " World Class Education" A lot of talk about STEM-Science Technology, Engineering and Math eductaion is this all Talk or are we serious about developing a World Class Education syatem or is this only for the Majority White School District with the robust Property Tax Base?
    The Federal Government has to take controll of the Education System and provide the funding for such programs as STEM BUT if Mr Ryan and other have their way they wil be cutting cutting cutting while all the time providing more and more tax breaks to the Rich so that they could sent their kids to the exclusive private schools like St Albans and Georgetown Prep While the kids of loweer income families are stuck in under performing schools with shaotage of teachers and support staffs. And their Solution ? VOUCHERS give the Parents a Voucher to go to better Private Schools so here we go again a Two Teir Education System
    Budget cuts all have their consequesces and the Educators are just the latest colleteral damage.

    August 20, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • TiredOfPaying

      Honestly, Public education does a really lousy job. Private schooling is where you learn. I fully support Vouchers where anyone who pays school tax is given a Voucher that they can sell, trade or use at any school of their choice.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:22 am |
      • Shammalammadingdong

        I went to public school and have made more of myself than the individuals I know who went to private schools. One went to a local academy, only to be kicked out of UNC because of laziness and poor academics. He was unaccustomed to studying hard and doing what was required of him without mommy and daddy there to make things better. Your education is what you make of it. A desire to learn will, in a large part, determine a student's success or failure. Parents who motivate and encourage their children play a part as well. It's unfortunate that many children do not have that in the public school system, and as such, drop out or fail to truly learn. There are good teachers and bad teachers in both public and private school systems. Private school may have it's advantages, but just because someone goes to public school does not mean they'll learn less, or fail to succeed in life.

        August 20, 2012 at 11:41 am |
      • TV

        If all public education does such a lousy job, then all the top students would be from private schools. Would you care to quote some statistics? There are good public schools and good private schools, there are bad public schools and bad private schools.

        Another thing to consider is that private schools can pick and choose, usually if they don't take public money, who they let in. So the statistics could easily be swayed in their favor. Also the more expensive private schools draw from more well educated families, again skewing the statistics in their favor.

        A few years ago when we were picking schools for my kid, we found the public schools in our area far out performed the private schools, even the private military school and the one that charged >$20K/year. Also some of the private Catholic schools were sending their high schoolers to the public school for math and science classes. This may be an exception, but it just goes to show that you cannot generalize.

        The problem with reality is that it has a well known liberal bias.

        August 20, 2012 at 11:49 am |
      • The Real Tom Paine

        Then its not really a private education, is it? I attended private school, at considerable sacrifice on the aprt of my parents. If you want it badly enough, pay for it yourself, or work to improve the public schools. My own kids attend public schools, and they are successful because my wife and I work with our teachers. Why should I subsidize someone else's wacko Christian academy? Let them pay for it themselves.

        August 20, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • kool

        I have my doctorate and I went to a public school. What is the highest education you earned? What test do private schools take to compare them to public schools. That is an easy statement to make when there is zero accountability for private schools.

        August 20, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Azhane

      Carprin.....I totally agree with you! Well said. I was wondering...how are WE suppose to enroll our children into a University with a great reputation if all of this is going on? We are talking about our children's future here. What is this crazy world coming too?? Grrrr.....

      August 20, 2012 at 11:38 am |
      • Ed

        Just tell that one extra child in a class he will have to work as hard as if there was one less child in the class. As to a few days shorter in the school year – well so much time is wasted in a school year – just eliminate all the useless assemblies, field trips, etc. and all will be fine.

        August 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Easy E

      I've been to both private and public schools. Yes, the private schooling typically has somewhat higher quality, on average. But in both places you will get a good education if you are motivated and perform.

      All this bashing of public education is absolute nonsense. Only a fool will make a blanket declaration that all public schools as 'lousy'. I have two degrees in engineering (BSMS and MSME) and an MBA. Since I spent all but 2 years in public schools, that should be impossible in the non-minds of some of these posters.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  38. Orion

    The men that are passing the bill about "public education" have no kids that are in a public school. They also never have to worry about financial aid for there children's college. So how can we have people in a public office who never have set foot in a public school system. It is a fact and a question that should be asked.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Nelba

      Almost all p[olicitianbs kids go to Private schools.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  39. TWM

    I will give you our school district as an example: Teachers refused to conceded any of their Auto pay raises; We voted to raise our taxes and we were told we would still lose teachers. Problem is the ones we are losing are the young achievers in their stead we get to keep these old out of touch teacher because they have seniority BLAH....

    August 20, 2012 at 10:39 am |

      Please HELP us... Tell Obama to stop terrorism against Medical Marijuana Patients. Thank you.

      August 20, 2012 at 10:52 am |

        YOU IDIOTS MAKE ME SICK!!! What does President Obama has to do with that? I just sick and tired of people BLAMING President Obama!!!!!!!! For goodness sake, when he was elected to be OUR President he took over a bunch of CRAP that was left by ALL of the other Presidents before him and he is trying to clean up a lot $h!t. Give him the RESPECT that he DESERVES because it's a heavy load he's carrying and it's going to take more than just him to clean up this MESS that ALL the other President's left behind. He CANNOT do it by himself!! It takes time and he is only human and can only do so much!!! STOP Blaming our Commander in Chief!!!!! Respect what he has done for US thus far!!

        August 20, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  40. Taylors of Harrogate

    It's about time Academia was brought to the real world of job cuts and performance based bonuses. These school administrators running everything into the ground fro self political embellishment have been costing tax payers billions of dollars to educate kids who have the drive of a wet noodle. Now property values went down and we should blame the administrators for not saving 1 dollar when they had higher taxes and a gravy train of income they wasted on paying more administrators while the teachers suffered. We should fire the administrators first that make 6 figure incomes while teachers live paycheck to paycheck.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Easy E

      Yeah, that's the way to improve education, make teachers live paycheck to paycheck. Do you even think before you speak? Are you even ABLE to think? Jesus this country is full of f king ret rds.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:41 am |
      • Danx

        Says the person who utterly fails at reading comprehension.

        He's implying that they live paycheck to paycheck NOW, not that we should start making them do so.
        Maybe it's already too late for our educational system, good lord.

        August 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  41. 1mikeparris

    Unfortunately cuts are always about the teachers, never administration. Superintendents make 5 – 10x the salary of faculty, Why not dial back there? After all, teachers deliver the education, administrators merely manage the "business" of education.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  42. Boinking bill

    Imagine that 300,000 teachers are gone and the education system is still the same. Just goes to show that they were worthless to begin with.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • bettman1

      make that statement in 5 years... you wont be able to... just starting to feel the effects now...

      August 20, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • The Real Tom Paine

      So, the implication is that everyone of them was worthless? The only thing that is comparable in terms of being overpaid and producing nothing is the GOP House.

      August 20, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  43. Elliot

    Do more teachers equal a better education? Have we proven this? I haven't studied much into the numbers but from what I have seen, the government can spend all of it's money on education and we would still have the same outcome in this country. Some kids want to learn and some don't, it doesn't appear to be a money issue. And if the sole purpose is to spend more money just to give more people jobs without the benefit of a better education I am not for that. The education issue is not one of funding but a cultural issue. Spend, spend, spend, that is always the answer it seems like. Sorry to the teachers that cannot find jobs, but why should we hire 10 garbage men to pick up the trash when 3 workers can accomplish the same task with the same results.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • drowlord

      Well, if we look at Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Finland which frequently top the "best educated people in the world" lists...

      They start school 2 years later than us (at 7 years old), and they end school at 16 (2 years earlier than us), have shorter school days, longer breaks, infrequent homework, parents are barely involved in their children's academics, and they do it all on a smaller budget (in both real dollars and PPP dollars) than we do.

      The only possible lesson that we can realistically take from the REST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD who ALL PERFORM BETTER THAN US IN EDUCATION is that our teachers and schools are unnecessarily expensive and fundamentally incompetent.

      August 20, 2012 at 10:37 am |
      • MACT

        Very misleading. Finns enjoy universal free day care and kindergarden all of which include a strong learning component, so that by the end of the first year of regular school Finnish students are already ahead of US students. Compulsory education ends at 16 (as in the US) but all students have access to free higher education. Two big differences: only the best students are selected for teacher training, and there is virtually no poverty in Finland.

        August 20, 2012 at 10:58 am |
      • Ach

        Finland also has the population of one of our small cities. But hey, don't let facts like that get in your way. I'm sure managing the social welfare and education of a small city is exactly the same as a country with over a quarter of a billion people.

        August 20, 2012 at 11:16 am |
      • who what what

        Also look at the united states as a whole. Why should people care about school? Our country is all about entertainment. Become famous, make the money and then do whatever you want and live above the law.

        August 20, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
      • Ramiz28

        What makes the Scandinavian model work is that smart or privileged kids share the same classrooms as others. This raises the bar for those who slack off when surrounded by average performers. Private schools are non-existent so the best teachers work in public schools and elected officials ensure they work since their kids go there. What's interesting is that countries leading in education and economic well being have small populations. Is the time for large nation states over?

        August 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • ronwa62

      So what you saying is we should treat our children like trash?

      August 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  44. eblufenix

    Of course it'll all be better if we just give the rich more tax cuts.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:22 am |
  45. rfraenkel

    People it is simply a question of supply and demand. The demand for K-12 is/has decreased. Think about it generation Y has 88 million and has all but worked throught the system. Gen Z only has 23 million, do the math that is a reduction in demand of 3/4th. Think people for once in your lives.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Jim

      You apparently have no involvement in school. Class sizes have increased greatly in the last 3 years! This means that students do not get the attention they need to learn. You are the one who needs to think for once! Consider going out and visiting your neighborhood schools or talking to some local teachers!

      August 20, 2012 at 10:35 am |
      • rfraenkel

        I have talked to many parents, teachers, etc. There are areas already that do not have enough students to make the school grade. Maybe in a few areas there is over crowding, but the numbers are what they are. Less demand across the lower 48 for the next decade or more. If the echoboomers start families this will change but not with the economy in the tank. This is simple math – sorry to produce jobs with less demand is stupid.

        August 20, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • Kristin

      A. Your numbers are wrong. B. You seem to have missed the point that the student:teacher RATIO has increased; we aren't talking just absolute numbers here.

      August 20, 2012 at 10:47 am |
      • rfraenkel

        Numbers are correct look them up – we the US spend twenty percent more on K-12 then any othe nation and we produce at the bottom of the barrel. K-12 is well paid for day care for most parents. Enough said.

        August 20, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • Kristin

      I DID look up the numbers. The number of school aged children (6-17) has been consistently increasing, yet you state the demand has dropped 75%?! You completely made that up. There were 41.7 million school aged children in 1990; there were 49.9 million in 2010. If anything, we need to be adding teachers too keep up with population growth, not cutting.

      I do not disagree that our students don't perform well; however, that tidbit of info was not part of the "statistics" to which I was responding. In fact "bottom of the barrel" is not a statistic at all; it is an opinion. If you were attempting to demonstrate a failure of the the US education system, mission accomplished.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:07 am |
      • rfraenkel

        Generation Z
        Born: 1995-2012
        Coming of Age: 2013-2020
        Age in 2004: 0-9
        Current Population: 23 million

        August 20, 2012 at 11:25 am |
      • rfraenkel


        August 20, 2012 at 11:26 am |
      • rfraenkel

        2000/2001-Present – New Silent Generation or Generation Z
        1980-2000 – Millennials or Generation Y
        1965-1979 – Generation X
        1946-1964 – Baby Boom
        1925-1945 – Silent Generation
        1900-1924 – G.I. Generation

        August 20, 2012 at 11:26 am |
      • Bob Kebic

        The number of permanent teacher:
        1990 – 2,230,600
        2007 – 2,933,600
        + 703,000 new teachers!

        August 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  46. Dennis

    There's a tremendous amount of waste in public schools. There is little call for accountability there. I'd reather see school districts spend their money on staff rather than all the techology and "stuff" that really doesn't improve education.

    August 20, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • TiredOfPaying

      There is one simple expenditure that would fix the Public School System. A yardstick. A plain, old, wooden yardstick. That they use to smack unruly students. I blame the failure of the Public Schools on the removal of dicipline from the schools.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:27 am |
  47. Principal Thots

    It is refreshing to see so many adults outside of the education field standing up and speaking out for (and against) education. How many of you show up at school board meetings? How many of you are actively involved in your school's PTA? How many of you send your thoughts regarding school reform to your State Board of Education? As a school administrator, I struggle daily to find ways to stretch the dollars we are given to meet the needs of highly diverse classrooms wherein some students come to school with shoes that don't fit and no food in their bellies on a Monday morning because their parents were out getting high the night before, while others flaunt their new retro Jordans and flash their iPods and iPhones like we used to flash baseball cards. We worry about guns and rugs coming into the schools on a minute by minute basis, teachers and administrators are being shot in their classrooms and offices for daring to discipline. Some of the comments above compare US schools to China. However, they don't compare the students very well. In China, disrespect of ANYONE by a grade school student is unheard of. In the US, it is a regular event. Twenty – five years ago, if a third grade child disrespected a teacher, the parents were outraged. Now, in the US, too often (not all the time, but in the most troubled areas) if a third grade student disrespects a teacher and a call is made to home, presuming a parent or gaurdian is available, the teacher gets threatened, the administration gets a call and too often the complaints make it all the way to the superintendent of schools. I do not for one minute think the US education system is anything more than flawed. However, the entire system that impacts our students, both in and out of education is flawed. When a welfare recipient rolls up in a supped up Escalade on gold plated spinners, hops out looking like 50 cent, and sags his way in to pick up his pint sized replica who told the teacher "I ain't gonna pick that damned paper up...you want it so bad, YOU pick it up. I ain't writing on it anyways." There is a larger concern than how teachers are paid. When I was growing up, teachers were paid very poorly (and still are in many states) in comparison to any number of city jobs. Now if I were talking about the position of Mayor or somesuch, I could understand. However, I speak of garbage collectors. I admit this is a smelly profession and I believe they should be well paid, but seriously? We care more about removing garbage than we do about the future of our country? The students being educated today are the politicians, grocers, mechanics, teachers, doctors, and lawyers of tomorrow. The US continued to lag behind other countries in many ways and the fact is that teachers are in a position to help this. However, our flawed systems are not going to cut it. Yes we need education reform! Yes we need welfare reform! Unfortunately, Obama is right, the mess we are in will not be fixed with any overnight tax reform. Really, when one stops to consider, the situation we are in today did not happen overnight and it will not be fixed overnight. The entire country needs to go on a massive financial diet. It is a bitter pill to swallow, but if WE THE PEOPLE want change, we cannot expect the President to do it for us. We need to walk the walk. I do not want my teachers to lose their jobs. I do not want them spending their paychecks on our students. I do not want students disrespecting our teachers and I do not want YOU disrespecting them either. As much as a school is run as a business primarily through the hands on efforts of the janitorial and secretarial staff, the classroom is run through the collaborative of the parent, teacher, administration, and student. If any of these people is running a separate agenda, the education ceases to be the focus of the day. Understand that behavioral disordered students don't attend the same schools as learning disabled or gifted and talented in all other countries. In fact, in some countries, ESL students and some of the special needs students previously noted either go to a separate school or no school at all. In some countries, testing occurs when one is young. If the scores are not good enough, then the individual is denied certain levels of education. While there are some correlatives in higher education in the US, in general, we pride ourselves in giving equitable access to all who want to learn. If we culled the herd earlier on, teachers in upper elementary, middle and high school would be much more receptive to outsiders giving them input into their work day because the problems would be more focused. However, as it stands now, every parent under the sun "knows" what is best for their little Johnnie or Ruthie and insists the teacher modify the day to suit their needs. How many auto mechanics have car owners hovering while they fix the cars and then have to aruge about the fact that they should be paid for the job they do? How about surgeons? Have you gone to your surgeon and TOLD him how to do your surgery? Absolutely NOT! That would be unthinkable! Yet, it is accepted that parents who have no formal training in how to educate a child should demand that a teacher do one thing or another. Seriously folks? Some days I wish I had become a garbage collector...It seems that I spend a lot of time doing just that, and I don't get the pay! (FYI – I am something of an anomaly – most of my teachers are paid better than I. While I wish I received more pay, I know they deserve more than they get, so I wouldn't THINK to suggest any more for me in this economy. Now, if we ever see the rainbow at the end of the rain? That might be different. However, for today, I would rather we all get paid and focus on improving the future than argue to ensure I get paid "more." Something is better than nothing in a downturned economy afterall.)

    August 20, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Taino973

      Your words speak volume.... education is the key to success. I for one, do appreciate teachers.... be strong!

      August 20, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • Clark

      So what welfare recepient is driving a Cadillac Escalade?

      August 20, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • handerson7

      Your words are the truth – if only more of these commentators that know what is best for our students and economy would read them. Please keep doing your job; the US needs more teachers and administrators like you: that stand up for the profession.

      August 20, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Johnnyboy

      Actually some folk do tell there doctor how to do their job. In this day and age of Wikipedia, Web MD, and so on there are many, many, internet experts that think they know everything.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • NoLongerAFed

      I agree with your comment 100%. One of my daughters is in her senior of undergraduate school and wants to become an elementary school teacher. Unfortunately for her the college that she attends, like most colleges today, has a very difficult elementary education program. In 2009, when the Class of 2013 started 1000 students declared their desire to receive a bachelor's degree in education. The school requires that you take pre-requiste education courses for your first two years, and then at the end of that time you have to apply to the College of Education. Of the 1000 students of the Class of 2013 who declared for education, the school only had spots for 35. That's 3.5% of the studets who wanted to become teachers. Compare that with the School of Business which basically allows instant acceptance when accepted to the college. Now when a business student and an education student graduate, which one do you think will be paid considerably higher?

      August 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
  48. toughtimes

    Get rid of unions and many of these problems go away.

    August 20, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • Gina


      August 20, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Jim

      Very misinformed statement! Learn about what unions do for people!

      August 20, 2012 at 10:36 am |
      • Bob Kebic

        Sure! Protect child-molesters from being fired (cases in California), protect bad teachers just because of seniority while laying off young and enthusiastic ones. Unions support politicians monetarily and often employs their children/wives/friends/lovers... as "consultants" as a kick-back. In construction union pays off politicians to create the law requiring only union workforce on project within their city/county/state... Union gets in return a tons of benefits to be paid by the public as those are mostly unfunded liabilities. Sure, we get a lot of benefits from unions!!!!!!!

        August 20, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • rdeleys

      Spoken like a true benighted right-wing parrot.

      August 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
      • jun

        You do not have to be a conservative to see that the Union is the crux of the problem here. In NY, Most Tteachers are (or soon will be) making over 6 figures, and the Unions negotiated full salary and free medical for life. This is the problem and why the budgets are out of control. This is not sustainable. The Unions are too strong and the brunt of the burden falls on the homeowner. Thank God we have a liberal Gov. that sees the problem and has implemented a tax cap. It's too late though, since taxes are already out of control. My buddy is on a local school board and in these negotiations, the unions made it very clear that they would prefer to cut teachers than change the contracts. Think about it, 100% salery and free medical for life? Not a bad gig, just killing the state.

        August 20, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
      • The Real Tom Paine

        Jun, I live in NY as well, and nowhere do I know of a classroom teacher who earns a 6-figure salary. My cousin and his wife both teach, and if you combine their salaries they barely break 100K after both teaching for over 30 years. My cousin does construction in the summer: have you seen many people in their 50's with summer jobs? The only people who earn an affluent living in education are administrators.

        August 20, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
      • Sildenafil

        You are flat out wrong. The MAXIMUM any teacher can make is $100,049 with advanced degrees and many many years of experience. Google average public teacher salary New York. First link shows salary and benefits.

        But ... what difference does the truth make?

        August 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
      • jun

        Take a look at the Onteora School District Website: http://www.onteora.k12.ny.us/domain/40
        2011 – 2012 Salary. Step 1 starting salary: $60,718, up to Step 22 salary: $103,488. This goes up every year. We will have six figure retirees that we will be supporting until they and their spouse die. Like I said, not a bad gig. Florida here I come...

        August 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  49. Asok Asus

    I'm thinking, Why should Obama limit himself to just teachers in his "jobs" bill? Why not expand the "jobs" bill and print enough money to hire EVERYONE who is unemployed? Not just teachers. And while he's at it, set the salaries at $100,000.00 each per year. That should solve the Obama unemployment problem, right? If printing money and shoveling it to the states to hire teachers fixes part of the problematic Obama economy, then why not fix the WHOLE problem and do the same for EVERYONE? The heck with half-measures. I say, damn the torpedoes, and full steam ahead!

    August 19, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • Johnnyboy

      That does not make sense, he can't hire everyone that is unemployed. His jobs bill or any politician's jobs bill has to encourage the private sector to hire people. If the government tried to hire everyone who is unemployed then you'd be screaming and hollering about the government being too big and your taxes being too high. Education to an extend he has some control over via federal funding but most jobs are private sector.

      August 20, 2012 at 11:43 am |
  50. bob searcy

    if theres anything humorous about this its that teachers have spoke down to me all my life and told me the importance of getting an education. im not denouncing education only the smug plicks who taunted those who didnt choose the continued education path.

    August 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
  51. Atanu

    II am just torn between Obama rhetoric and Romney business experience – please play witty, candidates. Doesn't matter
    conservative or liberal, does matter embarrassing nation with false propaganda. Thanks.

    August 19, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  52. daveyoung

    The Department of Re-education reports that 300,00 re-educating propagandists have lost their all important propaganda jobs....oh my.

    August 19, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • cleverbob

      So I suppose you taught yourself to read and write?

      August 20, 2012 at 10:28 am |
  53. Pablo

    I wish some of our teachers had been fired.

    We had one spainish middle school teach who could not maitain order and visibly broke down when the kids tauntned him. We the parents had to go in and INSIST the school replace this teacher. It took half a year and they finnally started disciplining the kid, but the guy still could not teach. The teacher was replaced 2/3rds throught the year. He was incompetent or mentally ill.

    Another special ed teacher worked with our daughter because she had problems with math was found to be tormeting kids by whispering strange statments and making my daughter scared.

    We ended up taking her out of the math enrichment and paying for an outside tutor. The teacher again it turned out to be a full ten-yeared teacher riding out her last few years. I turned out the district had taken her out of the class room after she burned out after a divorce. She basically coasted for 8 years our research showed. Again we complained to the district and she got supervision before we moved our daughter out.

    A lot of teachers in NYS are very good, but the system is SO bloated and really, really bad people keep their job. They do NOT fire, they move people aside and keep paying them for basically NO work or they hide them. T

    August 19, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • chris

      I lived in Cedar Rapids Iowa for 15 years and it took 3 years to fire a third grade teacher everyone clearly recognized as terrible. A system like that cannot continue. When I moved back to St. Louis I saw the same problems but worse. In Cedar Rapids the school conselours and princible told me that they are the advocates of the teacher not th estudent. From that moment I stopped supporting the public school system.

      August 19, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
      • Mr. Mackey

        It starts by taking out teachers' unions. Till then I could care less about the education system.

        August 19, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
      • MFO

        Chris, as a teacher you should use the correct principal/principle word instead of princible. You should have used 'principal.'

        August 19, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
      • rdeleys

        OK, now tell us how the school district rewards the really good teachers.

        August 20, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Amy

      It's 'tenured' buddy. Not ten-yeared.

      August 19, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Kristin

      And "Spanish", not "spainish"

      August 20, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • bloomberg

      everyone wants perfection and pay nothing for it.

      August 21, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
  54. no

    Who cares?

    August 19, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
  55. Powerguru

    It's a cycle.

    Cheap goods > Loss of American jobs > Less tax paying base > Less taxes collected by govt. > Less or no facilities.

    Learn to live in the hole we have dug for ourselves. Get ready to pay for what it's worth and see America progress. Buy Anerican when available. When you buy something which is Not Made in America you are not exactly helping the economy.

    We need manufacturing back in this country to have a complete economic cycle. I am surprised how these so called intelligent politicians have not realized this. Or may be they did but are tied by the company owners(who outsource jobs) who are their donors. whos

    August 19, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
  56. chris

    This is getting old and I'm glad more people are seeing through it. THE PUBLIC HAS ALWAYS BEEN BEHIND TEACHERS, KIDS AND CLASSROOMS, and saying any different is part of the "you don't care about kids" campaign to get us to pay more for what is the teachers problem..an overly bloated education system that saps up the dollars long before any of it reaches the boots on the ground teachers who need it most. I use to buy into this sympathetic request for financial help, baked cupcakes, worked in the PTA but then I discovered in St. Louis that the public school system and the Archdiocese of St. Louis both handle about the same number of students, nearly a 50/50 split, yet the public school system has 552 management positions and the archdiocese with the same number of kids does it with only 12 management positions. This clearly shows where the money is going. Why are the teachers who care so much for kids not out protesting on the stairs of their union offices about this? Why aren't the teachers telling kids to stop protesting these pleas for public help when it is their own system that is keeping their pay low and their system bloated. No company in the world could succeed with that much fat. It is time to stop blaming the public and time to fix your own system. Teachers should revolt or be ashamed of sending kids out on the streets to tell us we don't care about them and get in the news like this article. IT'S THE TEACHERS WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT KIDS BECAUSE YOUR UNWILLING TO FACE UP TO THE REAL PROBLEM. Obama will not address the problem as it is because then he'd have to address all the bloatedness in government organizations. It's just easier to blame the public and ask for more money to keep it all going status quo.

    August 19, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Dekalb County Teacher

      You are somewhat on the right track, as the education system is definitely top heavy. However, to tell the teacher to change the system they work for is pretty ignorant. In every profession there are employees that have to deal with the mess their bosses put them into. Your solution of teachers going to their union offices misses one very important fact, lots of states don't have unions. For instance down here in Atlanta, we have a school board who decides how funds are allocated and classroom size, etc. The more they mismanage the funds, the bigger the class size gets, and ultimately, the lower the quality of education. More often than not, the teacher has a family to provide for, and have to deal with the avalanche that was started on the top of the mountain with the aforementioned school board and superintendent, aka 'the fat". You want to change that broken system, then run for the school board and fix the problem: mismanagement of money. We don't need any more armchair quarterbacks and consultants, we have plenty of those already.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
      • chris

        Understood. But I don't think any parent or public in the St. Louis area now falls for public protest from teachers or these kids asking for money. Not when the numbers of management are so overwelmingly top sided. This is a problem larger than the school board. However, I appreciate the comment!

        August 19, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
      • chris

        Another article in the St. Louis area recently that infuriated folks was the allocation of...welll the rules governing the allocation of funds for particular purposes which caused one school system to cut buses when they had plenty of cash on hand but rules prevented them from using it for transportation. I appreciate people in this system saying it is easier to act from the armchair, but exposure to the problems is making a difference and as long as th esystem is asking those in armchairs for money making these stoires visible is one way of getting things done. St. Louis is leading the pack on exposure.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  57. jimbo

    What this country needs more than ever is a LEADER, not a POLITICIAN...........Obama has little to run on, so he paints his opposition as greedy people who are anti education.........he's trying to scare seniors and women that all the strides they've made will be reversed............Seriously?...........he's a politician, saying anything to get re-elected......So much for hope and change.....................

    August 19, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  58. SonOcean

    It is up to the state/county/city's board of education to decide how to balance their budget. Now, their budget is supported by property tax and the shrinking of that tax revenue is caused by foreclosures and decline of housing value, in which caused by the mortgage lending practice in the last roughtly 15 years, encouraged by mortgage based investment trading. And why that happened? Because of lobbying effort for so called "free market deregulation" well funded by some financial corporates.

    In order to solve the problem of our nation, people must be able to understand the cause of the issue. We have far too many emotional voters, clouded by their bias and only they know what type of bias they have.

    August 19, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • rosethornne

      And school vouchers, don't forget that.
      When people can essentially take their money out of the public education system and send their kids to better, private schools, then where is the incentive to improve the public system?
      Down the drain, that's where.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
      • TiredOfPaying

        You want to improve Public Schools? Return dicipline to the schools. Until teachers are able to punish unruly children, have disruptive students removed from their classroom and even expel bad kids from the school I will not support Public Schools. Give me Vouchers that I can sell, trade or gift which can be used at ANY accredited school. I would put good students in Private schools to keep them away from the useless gang members. They want to be stupid I say go for it. Just keep them away from good performers.

        August 20, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  59. Peter

    I'll be voting for Ryan and Romney this time. Ryan is absolutely right. The Democratic proposals of spending money we don't have is not sustainable. A lot of that education money is going to bloated and overpaid school administration staff.

    We need to look into incorporating Internet-based schooling for our kids. The way we currently teach our kids in overcrowd classrooms is not ideal. I have also seen Gym teachers instructing math and science classes.

    Our education system needs revamping.

    August 19, 2012 at 11:31 am |
  60. America: Full of Ignorants

    Obviously reading a lot of these posts, the older already graduated individuals say we can gut the education system, it's of no use. Even though it's their kids that are the problem because of the ignorant parent. The parents just want to be "in" with their kid rather than have them educated.

    August 19, 2012 at 10:42 am |
  61. ElmerGantry

    mcwsunshine stated,

    How about we get rid of some of the utterly useless degrees that colleges are offering?

    August 19, 2012 at 8:35 am | Reply"

    Which ones do you have in mind?

    August 19, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • Bob Kebic

      Liberal Studies, Social Studies, etc and double up on Engineering, Mathematics and Computer Sciences – just for starter!

      August 19, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
      • no

        Bob, you're too reasonable. You going to start scaring the government nut-huggers.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
      • Johnnyboy

        Then why not create vocational schools?

        August 20, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • danita

      The useless are put into place for people who want to say they just went to college.... Most of the classes don't require a lot of brains.

      August 20, 2012 at 10:05 am |
  62. Mark-Independent

    Who on earth will vote for Mitt Romney. As an idependent voter, I dont trust Mitt Romney. Mit Romney has no core adn to this day we dont know what he really stands for. I have spoken to many folks across party line mostly indepedents that dont like Mitt Romney. His tax issue is a big one, his business record with Bain Caital and all of his foreign investments are too much for the American people to handle. Mitt gets angy when the American people simply want answers. Then he pick Paul Ryan, a tea party convervative and also a congressman who has been in washington and is part of the tea party congress who is curretly at a 10% percent approval rating, the lowes in history. Ryan and all of his collegues in congress only have one goal and is to try to defeat the president. The congress of 2010 did not do one single thing, and they all need to bee defeated. We Americans know that we must NOT go back to the Bush era that coused this nation to go into a recession, we will not go back..No BUSH NOT MITT. If Ryan and Company wins the tea party has a victory.

    The President may not be perfect but has got us out of the biggest mess he inherited, the great recession. The car industy is back on full swing.. Housing is picking up, construction is up...Retail is up , the stock market is doning well....4.4 million jobs have been created and the list goes on....I will gladly suppor the prsident and like so many people I spoke to, the president deserved four more year to continue to get us of out of the hole the Bush adminstration laid out for us....

    August 19, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • dreamer96

      If the GOP had their way, Capital Gains and Dividend income would NOT even be taxed...The billions the Wall Street Hedge Fund Managers make would be tax free..no money for our roads, interstate, bridges..even our military..or the veterans benefits....how is that fair??

      Reagan gave a tax cut to the rich..tripled our deficit, and closed all Federal Mental Hospitals and sent 500,000 mentally ill men and women out into the streets..Reagan closed all our veterans homes and ended over 100 years of providing a place for our vets to live and readjust to civilian life..

      August 19, 2012 at 8:58 am |
      • Luke

        I believe DEMs have not real idea about how money and investment actually works. The rich pay the same tax as everyone else and actually support much of the social programs in place. With regard to taxing capital gains, capital gains should be taxed at a lower rate because this is income from savings. That is long ago we (American's) decided that we should save money not just live paycheck to paycheck. When one saves money in this country, their incentive is that the money their savings makes is taxed at a lower rate. This works perfectly, if the DEMs take this away we will fundamentally loose one of the great ideas in America.

        August 19, 2012 at 9:12 am |
      • Scott

        In Ryan's plan investment income would not be taxable for middle class. The rich WOULD pay investment income taxes.

        There should be lower investment taxes, especially gap gains. There is a risk involved in investing, and losses are only deductible against gains, or are limited to 3,000. As a tax preparer I know many people who have losses they will never be able to deduct, they risked so much and lost everything. Also, cap gains doesn't index for inflation, so most of the time you are being taxed on inflation. Divided are a form of double taxation because the income was already paid for at the corporate level. The tax code allows certain types of corps to not be taxed, but the larger traditional corps are.

        This is not to say there aren't some problems. The hedge fund managers aren't risking their own money, but they only have to pay the cap gain rates on their income. That is unfair.

        Many deductions and credits that middle class gets are phased out for the rich, we don't focus on those items at all. The one liners thrown out don't normally stand up to scrutiny. .

        August 20, 2012 at 10:12 am |
      • Scott

        From my recollection Reagan's tax cuts increased revenue, the problem was as the revenue started coming in later years, the money was spent.

        August 20, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • Grace

      I don't trust Oblamer.. he's a proven failure. VOTE ROMNEY 2012

      August 19, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Dog

      Dividends only come from savings? Get a clue.

      August 19, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Bob Kebic

      Your INDEPENDENCE lay somewhere between Liberal and Ultra-Liberal!

      August 19, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Jay jay

      what planet do you live on mark. Obomba has done nothing but put us in more debt adding 6 trillion to the debt devaluing the dollar. Where are all the jobs he promised three years ago. On top of that he has made yet another social program (obomba care) at the tune of 1.5 trillion. 500 billion lost to solydra. And BTW look at the post office:a complete failure with mounds of waste. Now tell me you really want the govt in charge of our health care. Your cat will get better health care than we will. Ima vote for Romney a proven businessan that knows how to MAKE money and not spend ours...

      August 19, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
      • LibraryMom

        I'm so sick of all those ridiculous misspellings which are meant to be ironic or cute but are really just ignorant. Obomba. You sound like a lyric from a really stupid country song.

        August 19, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  63. dreamer96

    In 2009 Texas laid off 40,000 teachers after they received their 6.4 billion in stimulus money...I guess any teacher that voiced an objection to the new "Intelligent Design" school books was let go....Texas buys so many school books they control which books are used in our schools...and they added "Intelligent Design" to our science books and history books....and then had to remove any teachers that told their students the books were wrong...

    August 19, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      And to add insult to injury,
      40,000 less tax paying citizens in Texas,
      40,000 less people with disposable income to buy products, eat at restaurants, i.e. 40,000 fewer consumers in Texas,
      40,000 more people on unemployment roles in Texas.

      Nice job Texas! Texas, where the dumbing down of America is an example of American exceptionalism

      August 19, 2012 at 8:56 am |
      • dreamer96


        An Texas has the largest number of Toxic Chemical spills in the Nation..and all the Texas GOP Politicians want to close down the EPA....

        August 19, 2012 at 9:00 am |
      • ElmerGantry

        Republicans control all statewide Texas offices, both houses of the state legislature and have a majority in the Texas congressional delegation.

        And yet somehow all the problems in Texas will be "labelled democratic".

        The often seen phrase "GOP = Greed Over People" sure seems appropriate.

        August 19, 2012 at 9:11 am |
  64. FedUp

    Sooooo..... all of these education jobs have been lost since Obama has been President? Wow! I thought he said the economy was fine. Sounds like HIS policies are the ones that have failed.

    August 19, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • dreamer96

      Congress writes the budget bills...and no Democrat voted for Obama's last budget..because the Democrats wrote their own budget..which was almost exactly the same as Obama's...so they voted for that one....

      And Texas controls the school books we use now..You Should read up on "Intelligent Design"..and our new Science and History books....The GOP state governors are work with the GOP Congress and Mitch McConnell to make Obama a one term President...trashing our economy and as much else as they can..to force Obama out...So why do you blame Obama..for what the Consevative GOP members are doing??

      August 19, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • SonOcean

      It is up to the county board of education to decide how to balance their budget. Now, their budget is supported by property tax and the shrinking of that tax revenue is caused by foreclosures and decline of housing value, in which caused by the mortgage lending practice in the last decade encouraged by mortgage based investment trading. And why that happened? Because of Corporates funded lobbying for so called "free market deregulation"!

      In order to solve the problem of our nation, people must be able to understand the cause of the issue. We have far too many emotional voters, clouded by their bias and only you know what type of bias you have.

      August 19, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  65. Bryce

    "Don't judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins." For the last 18 years, I've listened to politicians and regular every day people blame educators for the lack of success with students across this country. Here's a news flash for all of you "experts" who've never taught a day in your life and probably wouldn't survive in a classroom for a day: YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Lawmakers and educational "experts" like to compare the US education system to those at the top in the world and want our education system to be like those from around the world that have burgeoning success; however, they never mention the fact that those countries VALUE, RESPECT and FUND education at the top of their budgets.

    Do not, for a moment, think that I'm complaining – I love what I do and if I did not, I would not be teaching. What I'm talking about is being told how to do my job by people who have never taught a day in their lives. It would be like me showing up at the hospital and telling a surgeon how to do his job. So here's a simple solution to help our lawmakers understand why they should not be cutting education funding so drastically and in many cases - cutting education FIRST to solve the problems they've created with WASTEFUL spending.

    Every member of Congress and every state-elected lawmaker should be required to head to a school for a week and the meet with teachers on the Friday before their teaching assignment. The Friday before would be for teachers to give them a tour of the classroom and school; the state standards for the content areas they are responsible for on a daily basis; district content curriculum maps and answer any questions they might have on that day. However, since many politicians believe "anyone can teach" - they'd receive no help from teachers for that week.

    At the start of their first day would be a pre-test given in every subject area that they will be teaching that week. It would be administered under testing security protocols to ensure that an appropriate testing environment was established for the students and ensure the security of the tests from start to finish.

    From the point they finished the pre-test until Friday afternoon when the post-test would be administered, the politicians would follow the daily schedule and routines whilst teaching these students. At the end of the week, the post-test would be administered in all of the content areas - and that test would be compared to the pre-test for gains and losses. And if their students make gains - meaning they went up and didn't stay the same, they could keep their salaries for the year; however, if their students had losses based upon the baseline data of the pre-test, they'd lose their salaries for the year and that money be earmarked for education.

    I would like to think – hope – that politicians would then understand, because of this experience, that the majority of teachers in the US work extremely hard with very little; that under-funding education is directly related to the future successes or failures of our nation in a global economy; that the majority of teachers truly are in our classrooms for the right reason (yes, there are bad teachers out there ... just like there are bad bankers, managers, et al.); that bashing teachers in the political arena does nothing more than tell parents/students that teachers should not be respected or valued for what they are doing on a daily basis.

    Would this ever happen? To be blunt – there's not a snowball's chance in hell. Why? Because it would require politicians to do the right thing and 'playing' with the money of people – well, you get it, right? Let's hope that, for the sake of our children, that our politicians realize you have to invest in the future and it starts with education. If we're going to say that public education must be offered – let's pay for it and invest in the teachers who spend long hours working to make sure that our students are learning what they need to know!

    August 19, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Bob Kebic

      You sound like a great teacher and I would like to see you in some private school where you develop your full potential. Public education is __________, __________, __________, ___________, (please fill out the blanks) etc. There is nothing good to say about it and it's not FREE – we, the TAXPAYERS foot the bill without much of a say-so! Half of California state budget goes to education and it was an embarrassment. On the other hand the administrators, presidents and various dean are doing very well, thank you very much.

      August 19, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Dekalb County Teacher

      Well said, fellow educator. I dare these teacher bashers to spend even two PERIODS, not even a full day, in my classroom where 36 teenagers to one teacher is the reality. PE teachers have close to 50 (FIFTY!) students in their classes. Try teaching ANY subject under those conditions and then having someone breathing down your neck about low test scores!

      August 19, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
      • Brian

        Oh God the horror of working till 3 in the afternoon and 180 days a year.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
      • Teacher

        It's true that classes end at 3:00PM. But it is also true that I get to school at 6:30 in the morning, and I often don't leave unil 7PM. My weekends are spent grading and planning, and even the summer is spent at conferences (that I pay for with my own money) to improve my teaching craft. I have 180 Chemistry and AP Chemistry students that need me, and I do it for them, but if I wanted the "easy" job, I would not be a high school teacher.

        August 20, 2012 at 10:34 am |
  66. bobo

    Comparing educational systems between countries is pointless. Class sizes and test scores are confounding variables. Countries that do well place a higher cultural value on education. If the US held education in high regard, then having 50 kids in a class wouldn't matter – the kids would want to learn. This is the same reason that tying teacher compensation to test scores will fail miserably.

    August 19, 2012 at 8:27 am |
  67. Bob Kebic

    And finally! If you want to find out people's opinion about that BROKEN public education just give parents VOUCHER(s) so they could choose where to send their child/children. Overnight that number of "300,000 Educators" will grow ten-folds and those public schools will became abandoned buildings! Let's face it, government uses its muscles to keep that INEFFECTIVE, OUTDATED, OVERPAID and CORRUPTED charade going. I guess people are not capable to reason and I am surprised we are even allowed to VOTE?!?

    August 19, 2012 at 8:08 am |
  68. Mike

    Interesting that they say this loss has happened "since the end of the recession in June 2009" Trying to make it appear that the "recession" ended shortly after Obama took office. I got news for them, it was just starting and it ain't over yet!

    August 19, 2012 at 8:01 am |
    • bearclaw

      Most economists agree that the recession did end in 2009 and though recovery is slow we are not currently in a recession.

      August 19, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • Concerned Parent

      I am so sorry that FACTS and REALITY are not cooperating with YOUR attempt to paint Obama as a "bad" President simply because you are a racist bigot! What a shame. Ooohh too bad! BOO HOO! ...

      August 21, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
  69. Scott

    Unfortunately American society is comprised mainly of semi-literates (80%) which has created a culture of ignorance, the dumbing down of an entire nation that knows more about the latest reality show and sports scores than the world around them. While there are pockets of innovation and excellence, as a whole America is marching backwards driven by ideological zeal and mediocrity at all levels. We imagine ourselves to be 'exceptional' when in fact what we are is exceptionally foolish and willfully ignorant...

    August 19, 2012 at 7:58 am |
    • emmay

      Well said Scott.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Exactly right,

      We imagine ourselves to be 'exceptional' when in fact what we are is exceptionally foolish (credulous) and willfully ignorant...

      Exactly right

      August 19, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • SonOcean

      Totally agree, very well said. It's comforting to know there are people out there also can see through the fog!

      I often think some politicians want to keep people from higher education, after all, ignorants are easier to be manipulated and lower labor cost to those "job creators"!

      August 19, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  70. D Lee

    The Chicago School Superintendent makes an enormous six figure salary that exceeds the Presidents and the teachers union wants a 20% increase this year and next while only 56% of the "students" graduate from high school. Guess they need more community organizers to help straighten things out.............

    August 19, 2012 at 7:35 am |
    • zandhcats

      Blame the state govn't but not the President!

      August 20, 2012 at 10:24 am |
  71. Fletcher

    300,000 jobs over 3 years=100,000 jobs
    100,000 jobs divided by 14,000 school districts= 7 jobs lost per school district
    So less than 1 job lost per school the last three years!

    August 19, 2012 at 6:39 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      300,000 fewer tax paying citizens,
      300,000 more unemployed citizens,

      Nice try at trivializing this!

      August 19, 2012 at 8:49 am |
      • Fletcher

        Its trivial when compared to how devastated many industries have been in this economy. Everyone has had to tighten their belts. Well, everyone but the government. My industry has lost half its workforce in the last 3 years. Half! And we're not screaming bloody murder. We're taking our lumps and moving forward the way Americans have done for years.......with no whining.

        August 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • ravinraven718

      It may not seem like a lot of jobs to you, but to an unemployed teacher like myself it's a big deal. There are thousands of recent graduates who can't get jobs because there are a large number of experienced teachers out of work competing with us. People keep saying that there will be many jobs opening as Baby Boomers retire, but they haven't been (or at least not at the rate anticipated). It's a mess.

      August 19, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Dekalb County Teacher

      Ah the obvious sounds of ignorance! At my school alone we lost 23 positions. This is 23 people who until 3 weeks ago had a job and were able to foresee a little bit into their financial future. Their family structure and financial plans are now severely impacted. The ripple effect moves further out as the children see their mothers and fathers become financially stressed out, sometimes to the point of breaking the family in half. Every job is important.

      August 19, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
      • Fletcher

        Dekal county is 85 million dollars over budget! They cut 200 paraprofessionals, not teachers and increased class size by 2 students per class.
        "ignorant"........I don't think so.
        Your situation, while sad, is about mismanagement. Is your answer to just keep spending?

        August 19, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  72. Jordan

    My district laid off 75 teachers and not a single administrator. Class sizes increased by 6.5 students and the amount of supplies available to staff has been cut in half. The administration just got new computers for their offices.

    August 19, 2012 at 6:15 am |
    • Edward

      Amen. One fix would be to get rid of some of the overpaid administrators.

      August 19, 2012 at 7:04 am |
    • Steve

      Typical- Dems cry about jobs lost and money taken but it is the teachers getting cut not the administrators who do not have anything to do with teaching- just like corporations the workers suffer and the CEO's get bonuses- but all the media talks about is teachers out of work ( even those qualified to teach) Maybe if some of the administrators and CEOs got gone the workers/teachers could still be afforded

      August 19, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • Nancy

      I left my district in 2009 to care for ailing parents out of state. I have tried all this time to get back, with no luck. I am highly qualified, have a B.A. and TWO M.A.'s, excellent reviews, 11 years of teaching...and nothing happens. Why? I'm too educated and too experienced = too expensive to hire on the teacher pay scale. Talk about discrimination: ask these school districts WHO they are hiring. I can already tell you: first and second year teachers who then leave within a few years of hire. They discover how much work teaching really is and how little it pays and they go on to other things. So what happens? A constant revolving door of inexperienced, inept, and ill-prepared "teachers" to whom we subject our students. Just wait. The ignorant population we are preparing for the future will be the payback for these incredibly short-sighted choices. The profession of teaching is no longer a respected career of choice. Only a handful of my students ever said they would be a teacher. So who's going to be in the classroom in ten years? I hate to imagine.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:01 am |
      • donald

        very very well put. my daughter is a special education major in college. while it is not the path i recommended for her, its the one she wants. so i sorry it.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:11 am |
      • donald

        i mean i support it!

        August 19, 2012 at 8:12 am |
      • Eryn

        I totally understand. This summer alone I have applied for 125 jobs in 8 different districts and no luck. Why because I have a BA and MA and I am adding hours and certifications all the time to make myself a better teacher. Yet they hire the people who just graduated over me. I think it is a shame to look at all these countries who are more educated than the US yet have less money to do it with. Also some food for thought, America is the only country where ALL children can receive a "free" education. In other countries if you do not make the grade you do not get the education there is no such thing as NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND in China or other countries.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • mcwsunshine

      One figure you left out, my friend, how much were your teachers salaries raised last year and this year...oh yeah, I forgot "it's all about the kids". Actually, it's all about the unions.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:08 am |
      • Mrmuggle

        I don't know where sunshine is referring to but In my district we have cut staff and salaries. My pay cut was 15% and since we hadn't had raise in the past five years, my salary is less now than what it was ten years ago. They've also reduced the school year by 3 to 5 days and elementary classes now have 29 students.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:34 am |
  73. chris

    and how many of those teachers were good teachers, just had less seniority in the unions that others that are milking the system with the backing of their teachers union friends?

    August 19, 2012 at 5:34 am |
  74. gggg

    The surest sign of a decline in education is the number of people who believe Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

    August 19, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • chris

      the department of education and the teachers unions have been giving America the same old excuse for education problems. more money. the more money they get the more they need more, yet the problem does unsolved.

      here's a classic example of the left's failings and unfortunately brainwashing. something you might want to have checked.


      August 19, 2012 at 5:37 am |
      • ElmerGantry

        Using a you tube video to make a point. Oh how intelligent.

        Here is a study that measured the respondents knowledge of the news of the day.

        http://www. businessinsider . com /study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

        FOX NEWS followers are less informed than those who watch no news at all!

        BTW: FOX NEWS demographics,
        1) About 3,000,000 viewers out of a population of about 320,000,000
        2) Median age = 65
        3) African-American viewers of, wait for it, a paltry 29,000

        So keep spouting the GOP talking points, you are sure to convine the credulous FOX followers.

        August 19, 2012 at 10:01 am |
      • ElmerGantry


        The study showed that those "leftist" news outlets better informed the public.

        Maybe you should actually read the study. Hmmm, maybe you did read it; reading is not the same as comprehension.
        Sounds like you get your information talking points from FOX and El Rushbo, BETCHA.

        August 19, 2012 at 10:14 am |
      • ElmerGantry


        The study showed that those "leftist" news outlets better informed the public.

        Maybe you should actually read the study. Hmmm, maybe you did read it; if you did try comprehension, reading is not the same as comprehension.
        Sounds like you get your information talking points from FOX and El Rushbo, BETCHA.

        August 19, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • Steve

      Not as bad as those that swallow CNN, MSNBC abd Huffingtons left side pandering

      August 19, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • Paul Wulf

      How about the number of people who listen to no news at all?

      August 19, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Exactly, a recent study showed that those who watched FOX NEWS were less informed than this who watch no news at all!

      August 19, 2012 at 9:39 am |
  75. MCFx

    Trust me. I've been a life long Democrat and grew up a Hispanic in a predominantly Hispanic community. Got educated, got an Engineering degree and now make 6 figures. The Democratic rhetoric is all talk. Republicans DON'T want more "dumb" people. Uneducated, poverty stricken minorities vote Democrat. WHY? Because, they buy in to all the lies and broken promises from the Democratic party who play the class warfare card and the race card. Trust me. I've seen it all my life and used to buy into it until I got educated.

    August 19, 2012 at 3:20 am |
    • Lindsey

      Why do poor people buy the lie that social engineering will fix the world? Why can't they just do like MCFx and fix themselves? Good comment MCFx!!!!!!! Hopefully your comment will inspire some people!

      August 19, 2012 at 4:01 am |
    • Mrmuggle

      Actually mcfx now that you are an engineer, you should appreciate data... Look at look at history of GDP growth, unemployment, poverty rates, debt and deficits, etc. under democratic administrations and under republican administrations and I think you may be surprised. Over the past 75 years or so, the us economy had done much better under dems than under repubs. Look at the data.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:42 am |
  76. sigmond seamonster

    Politicians from both Parties do not care. When will Americans see this sneaky fact??? NONE OF THEM CARE MORE THAN RUNNING THEIR MOUTHS THAT THEY CARE. AFTER THAT THEY DONT CARE. Actually it seems that they love it that the Public is getting weaker and less informed. Make them AFRAID of losing their jobs THEN THEY WILL CARE. They are bottom feeders by nature, American Politicians.

    August 19, 2012 at 3:13 am |
  77. MCFx

    At what point does Pres. Obama get the blame??? By 2012 all the decisions that the Democrats made from the elections in 2008, when they controlled ALL of Washington, Not only did Obama win the White House, but Dems controlled the House of Reps, and had a Supermajority in the Senate...that means filibuster-proof. So, ALL the decision they made in 2009 & 2010 are what we are getting today! People!!! In the last year, the only part of Washington the Republicans own is the House. The Democrats STILL own the senate and the White House! You CAN'T blame the Republicans. Admit it! This is the worst President we've seen in our lifetime. Probably worse than Carter.

    August 19, 2012 at 2:51 am |
    • BO2012!

      when republicans LEAVE Washington...that's when!

      August 19, 2012 at 2:58 am |
      • MCFx

        Apparently, you didn't read my post. Republicans effectively LEFT Washington in 2008. What have the Dems done since then??? What has the Great Uniter / Noble Peace Prize winner done since then? Just about everything he campaigned on he's failed to keep. And the ONE thing that he did BACKDOOR into legislation, Obamacare, is the biggest piece of failed legislation probably in the history of the United States.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:03 am |
    • Mrmuggle

      If only the repubs would have left, in 2008 or especially in 2010, we would be much better off.... Instead the GOPers have actively worked to make things worse-the debt ceiling charade being a prime example. They have admitted that they will fight every proposal of the dems even if they originally were repubs proposals (such as obamacare and cap and trade, etc.)

      August 19, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • SonOcean

      Yes, Democrates had control but please look at their voting records, the problem Democrats didn't get all of their agenda done was because they are not a unified party, look into their 2008 and 2009 voting records, many democrats sided with Republicans' votes, so, super-filibuster means nothing if they are not unified for the same cause!

      On the other hand, whatever the Republicans decided behind their closed door, they will all come out saying the same thing, well, except John McCain and Rand Paul occasionally.

      August 19, 2012 at 11:11 am |
  78. BO2012!

    all you conservatives think you have the answer eh? what is it? I'll tell you what it is...it's a black president! now GET OVER IT

    August 19, 2012 at 2:38 am |
    • MCFx

      Soon to be EX black president...he's gonna get chained with the rest of y'all.... (good thing it isn't racism to tell black folks they are gonna get chained or I'd hear about it from the left.). Yep, the banks are gonna chain Obama too!

      August 19, 2012 at 2:53 am |
      • Scouse Kiwi

        You might have "got yourself educated" but you still aren't smart enough to realize that, from your racist rant, Obama is unlikely to be an "ex Black President". He may be an ex President one day – probably in 2016, but I believe he'll always be black – and probably proud of it.

        August 19, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • BO2012!

      you disgusting racist slob...how dare you

      August 19, 2012 at 2:55 am |
      • MCFx

        Ha! I dared! I hope you showed the same disgust when that crazy uncle Joe Biden said that to a crowd of black people for political gain.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:08 am |
    • indianazombiesquadu1

      And thus, our great nation shall become a third-world country....not by means of war, terror, or natural disaster.....but rather by our children not having the education we need them to have in order to keep the United States a world power. Sad times my friends, sad times.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:59 am |
      • rich

        Schooling should be privatized. If the kids want to learn ,they will. if the parents are jerks, the kids will be to.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • Steve

      ROFL so hes right only because hes black. Your racist. Next on the Democratic ticket a Female Eskemo with downsyndrom.

      August 19, 2012 at 3:07 am |
    • mcwsunshine

      mixed race President to be specific

      August 19, 2012 at 8:11 am |
  79. founders1791

    People get jobs and start careers at companies Mitt Romney owned, managed, or invested in.
    He creates wealth for the nation.

    Staples Office supplies
    Sports Authority Clothing & Equipment
    Totes Umbrellas, Gloves, shoe covers
    Experian Credit Reporting
    Sealy Mattresses
    Dominoes Pizza

    ....it's all earned and real


    People get in lines for promises by Barrack Obama and receive a regular check just for the attempt, from tax payers.
    He destroys wealth for the nation.

    Food Stamp Lines
    Welfare Education Classes
    Free Citizenship to Illegals
    Envy vs Self Reliance
    No tax obligations
    Free Crony Higher Education
    Free Crony Green Consumption

    ....it's all milk & honey

    August 19, 2012 at 2:36 am |
    • BO2012!

      you discust me

      August 19, 2012 at 2:57 am |
      • schlappy doorfunkle

        Learn to spell.

        August 19, 2012 at 5:54 am |
    • Neece

      If you look at the top wage earner in those retail stores, other than the executives, I'm sure they are not making any more than 17 an hour. I'm not sure where you live, but where I live, that's bearly a liveable wage. Now, if a person makes less than that, they are going to be even worse off. Its not about working, its about making a living wage!!!!!!

      August 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  80. Mike

    300,000 education positions lost since recession ended in June 2009... And who, again, has been in the White House while this has been going on? People on here continually blame Bush for the continued job losses, but give credit for the end of the recession to the current administraion, which had only been around a scant 5 months.... How does that work?

    August 19, 2012 at 1:42 am |
    • Roger Ogilvy Thornhill

      I blame the House to Republicans too. They have made it their mission to do nothing and blame all the nothingness on Obama. I don't think people are actually as stupid as Boehner thinks they are though.

      August 19, 2012 at 1:48 am |
      • Phhhttt

        What?? How can you say that? The Dems had the house majority and a perfect opportunity to do it they want. What do they do? Pushed legislation in the form of stimulus and Obama care that most of America didn't want.

        August 19, 2012 at 2:21 am |
      • Donnie

        Phhhttt. When the Dems had the house,they passed the stimulus bill that saved the economy, eg Auto industry. I have one question to ask you,as a blind republican.Bush Tax cut was enacted in 2003 to create jobs,I wonder why it never created millions of jobs to prevent recession from happening and up till now,we still have the tax cut and teacher are still losing their jobs.

        I know you are Mr Blame the President,like your Repubs in congress.Another question,if Mitt wins the presidential election( which will not happen, am don't hang your self please) and the Dem wins majority in the house.how will Mitt get any law or bill passed.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:13 am |
      • mcwsunshine

        The House has not done nothing...they passed 32 jobs bills that the Democratic Senate buried and refuse to even bring to the floor to debate. That is fact and the Democrats are the obstructionists. The Senate has not proposed a budget, (Which they are bound by law to do) and the Democratic controlled Senate voted down President Obama's budget by a vast majority. When the President talks about "his budget plan", the truth is he does not have a budget plan.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Paul

      When did it become the responsibility of the President and the Federal Government to fund and run local school districts?

      August 19, 2012 at 8:36 am |
  81. jeff

    news yesterday – muslims killed muslims
    news today-muslims killed non muslims
    news tommorow-muslims kill

    August 19, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • NoTheism

      same is true for just about any religious group... what's your point?

      August 19, 2012 at 1:08 am |
      • ccc

        Nope.. just Muslims.. only Muslims are so consistent.

        August 19, 2012 at 2:25 am |
    • drkent3

      OK – so you are a bigot. No news there...

      August 19, 2012 at 1:24 am |
  82. Greg

    In 2008 I lost my job as an accountant as part of a massive call from the CEO to "eliminate redundancies". There were many people cut from my corporate position and at the same time jobs were slashed in other companies across the country. I got a severance package and did not panic as I was educated and experienced. I started applying for jobs and sending out resumes consistently. I barely got a nibble. In the past I had gotten a call for an interview nearly every time I had applied. At this point I began to panic a bit. With the support of my family I decided to go back to school to get a Master's Degree. I tried to evaluate the value of different degrees. I believed that a Masters in Teaching would be a degree that would not only allow for employment, but also provide me the chance to pursue my dream of teaching. I had always wanted to teach, but felt that the compensation in accounting outweighed the benefits of doing a job you love.

    I got a job as a Special Education Teacher in a local middle school. I loved every bit of it. Then at the end of last year I was given a RIF (Reduction In Force) letter. This was given to all non-tenured teachers at my school. I am now unemployed even though the school year has already started. I went into a job interview 2 days prior to the start of the school year and the principal showed me a list of 10 other candidates being interviewed for the same job. I was told by the principal that there was a huge demand for teachers in the past few years, but cuts in funding and changes in rules have minimized demand for teachers. It's hard to imagine how we can recover from an economy where even jobs as teachers are attacked and not funded.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • Michelle

      I do not feel that the US can ever recover. I read what is going on and speak to Americans about their country. I am very blessed to live in Alberta Canada where we are at a pre – recession state. I have a grade education but make 60+ a year in a job I adore. Many Americans call us socialists but look where we are compared to the average unemployed American. Our province has to hire in Mexico because the Albertans we have do not want the 4% percent umemployment rate jobs we have and the average wage is 30 $ an hour in our oildands.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:44 am |
  83. J.V.Hodgson

    My parents gave up many things and they and me even moved house so I could go to a better school.
    Those things in the end enabled me to become a qualified CPA and subsequently hold senior Director position(s) in 3/4 major international companies over a period of 35 Years.
    Doing what Republicans (at many state levels) and Ryan proposes is fundamentally flawed.
    Look at the hiatus to get student loan interest rates passed. Sorry guys it is not spending on education but an INVESTMENT in America and for sure gives a longer term bigger bang for our buck than giving the very rich even more tax cuts.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:42 am |
    • solrac503

      Definition of a true Patriot. Too many people in this country think that Patriotism stops at their pockets.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • Bob Kebic

      "INVESTMENT" in what? Where are the companies? Where are those jobs for graduates? I think high school education is more than adequate to be a shoes salesman, waiter, gas station attendant or maitre d' at McDonald – those are the only jobs available now days.
      You should translate your post in Chinese and post it on some some Hong Kong sites.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:55 am |
    • mcwsunshine

      The situation with student loans is very similar (but not as huge) as the housing debacle. Students are given loans without any condition of collateral, than when they can't pay it back, or won't run from their obligation, (as a huge percentage do) the tax payer gets stuck again. Giving student loans to illegal aliens was one bit of genius that I wouldn't even have expected from this administration.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:23 am |
  84. annieL

    I'd like to see Mr. Romney teach a class of 30 adolescents with raging hormones, ADHD, cell phones, gang affiliations, drug-addicted parents, broken homes and junk food diets and then tell American teachers that class size doesn't matter. If nothing else, funding schools enough to reduce class sizes tells teachers we understand how difficult their jobs are and improves morale. That counts for a lot.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Bob Kebic

      In China class size is between 50-60 and they kick our ass big time!

      August 19, 2012 at 12:57 am |
      • Donnie

        People like you,in a class of 50-60 will be complaining but you are behind the computer,so post anything you like.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:23 am |
      • Bob Kebic

        Perhaps each US student should have a "Personal Staff" of approx. dozen instructors in order to compete with Chinese, is that what's you are saying?!?! What's your COST-BENEFIT analysis?

        August 19, 2012 at 7:36 am |
      • joejames219

        No tolerance for misbehavior, high value on education, longer work days for which teachers are paid.....

        August 19, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • gregory

      So smaller class size is really about teacher stress reduction (and more teachers in the union) than improving quality. And yes, many youth seem nearly impossible to deal with, and seem more fit for jail than school.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:03 am |
      • whitman30

        Most states do not have a teachers union, especially the states at the bottom of education, so now what? And in China, the whole culture is different and not everyone gets an education- only the brightest and most ambitious. It is not a comparison. Those kids do not want to be kicked out of school. Many American kids do not care, especially in rough neighborhoods.

        August 19, 2012 at 7:10 am |
    • Michelle

      Look, we all know that the smaller the teacher / student ratio, the better quality instruction and more personalized attention you will be getting. Would you rather have your kid in a tennis class with 20 kids or one with 10? The best athletes all get private lessons. I'm quite certain none of the Olympians got there just through large group instruction. Ditto for the classroom. Less students means more opportunity to express your ideas in class, ask questions and get assistance from the teacher when you need help. That greatly enhances the learning experience. This isn't a partisan issue. This is simple common sense.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Paul

      All of the educational funding in the world will not fix the social problems the kids bring to school with them.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:28 am |
  85. LizardLance

    Republicans want to cut teacher jobs so we'll have more uneducated dolts who'll vote for the GOP. An educated person with a hint of common sense would never vote for the GOP in today's climate.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • Bob Kebic

      "The Academia" is all GOP, right? I've learned something new tonight. In my days all the educators were ultra-liberals but I guess now day teachers attend KKK rally or a "Gun Show" after-hours.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:42 am |
      • drkent3

        Perhaps you should have spent more time learning, and you might have been able to comprehend what was being said.

        August 19, 2012 at 1:27 am |
      • Bob Kebic

        I immigrated with a degree in economics that was proven pretty useless. Became a Computer Technician and completed three years of CSIS (Computer Science Information Systems) and the jobs dried up. Fortunately in between those two professions I became a toolmaker and also worked in construction. I am struggling like everyone else and do what's necessary, I even ran a hotel for three years. Why would teachers union be protected "SACRED COW" with so much FRAUD, WASTE and ABUSE while everyone else is victimized by market forces??

        August 19, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • gregory

      That is an overused stereotype that often does not match reality.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:06 am |
    • gregory

      In my state, democrats will cut education to fund social programs for the poor and even benefits and programs for illegals. How much sense does that make? That does not make education much of a priority. Our democrat governor increased govt spending by 33% in her first term before the recession, yet continued to cut higher education. Tuition is now over $10,000, it was $1,000 when the last republican held the governor's office. 22,000 in state students had financial aid cut. Educational support is an exageration that democrats love to exploit for votes, but what they really value most is teacher union support.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:22 am |
      • One of the Young Autistic Men

        I kind of agree. The state, I lived in, is a blue state run by a democratic governor. Aid was cut by the governor. He then put 2 percent tax cap which hurt poverty-driven public schools.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:17 am |
      • Bob Kebic

        STUDENTS do not VOTE but POOR DO! Do you really think that politicians care about anything else except being re-elected?

        August 19, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  86. KBR

    Sounds like the start of a campaign to raise taxes yet again. Add programs in good times and taxes in bad times.

    August 19, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • Michelle

      We could just ask Mitt and his buddies to pay the same tax rate that you and I pay. I think his 13.5% might be part of the reason we've let so many teachers go.

      August 19, 2012 at 2:37 am |
      • mcwsunshine

        Way, way, off base, Michelle. Gov. Romney pays tax on his investments at a max of 15%, just like you or I would if we lived off our investments. When Mr. Romney EARNED that income (that is now invested) he paid the regular tax rate that top earners pay. Think about it, he paid tax twice. And, don't for one minute disbelieve, that if he had not paid every cent of taxes that he owes, our President and his henchman, Eric Holder, would have Gov Romney in jail by now. This President has the IRS on speed dial and many of Gov. Romney's big financial supporters have suddenly been faced with multiple audits. Ahhhhh, shades of Richard Nixon.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:32 am |
      • Ron

        Romney pays 13% because its invested income. He already paid the Federal Income Tax rate when he earned the money. In essence he has been paying taxes on money that was already taxed. I also am a former teacher. I actually enjoyed a larger number of students in my classroom. It created more dialogue and more ideas.

        August 19, 2012 at 8:32 am |
      • trex

        ......to.. RON....below............Romney did NOT PAY full taxes on the money he "EARNED". That is the CENTER of the issue. THIS IS HOW ROMNEY MADE MONEY WITH BAIN:........first MILLION for Mitt came directly FROM HIS POP.......SECOND:......thru BAIN..........Mitt got OTHER PEOPLES MONEY, and bought distressed companies. There he sold off profitable pieces of the business, BORROWED TO THE MAX ON THE REMAINDER......THEN........MITT GAVE HIMSELF AND BAIN buddies......MASSIVE BONUSES DERIVED FROM THESE MONEY SOURCES OUTLINED ABOVE. ...Third:.......Mitt then declared these companies ...BANKRUPT...and layed off the employees, discared all retirement promises since the company was declared bankrupt, and then sold anything left as scrap. The result was that Mitt and his Bain buddies saw MASSIVE INCOMES FROM EVERY BANKRUPTED COMPANY........and this is the KICKER..................here it comes.........listen up............Mitt did NOT PAY THE NORMAL TAX RATE ON HIS SQUEEZED COMPANY MONEY........MITT PAID .....THE 15% CAPTIAL GAINS RATE. Now. This Cap Gains Rate was a REWARD TO PEOPLE THAT (NOW LISTEN)........RISKED...THEIR ..OWN..MONEY. At NO TIME did Mitt risk his own money..................and THIS IS HOW MITT MADE A HALF A BILLION BUCKS, AND LEFT DESTRUCTION AND LAYOFFS in his wake, AND, Mitt didnt even pay the normal taxes on his ill gotten monies. THIS IS A SCAM, A MONETARY SMOKE AND MIRRORS, THAT ROMNEY NEVER WANTS YOU TO REALIZE.

        August 19, 2012 at 10:29 am |
  87. Netninja

    Hope and change! Yeah lets see that slogan again!
    Oh wait the new slogan is Let me see your taxes! Nothing about the Economy.


    August 19, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • drkent3

      I keep hearing conservatives claim that the economy would have rebounded even if the administration did not provide stimulus money, so it is Obama's fault that we are in debt. Then I hear them say that the economy is still doing poorly, so it is Obama's fault that we have a poor economy. Then I hear them say that taxes are too high (even though they are the lowest in 30 years), and it is Obama's fault that they have no money. Then I hear them say that we need to cut welfare for those who don't have jobs, and it is Obama's fault that they are uneducated. Then I hear them say that we spend too much on education and social services, but not enough on defense – and it is Obama's fault that we compare so poorly to other industrialized nations. Do conservatives actually critically analyze their arguments to make sure they don't contradict themselves with every statement?

      August 19, 2012 at 1:32 am |
      • Donnie

        No they don't. Look at Mitt,they expect him to create jobs,when they give him more tax cuts.I laugh.Mitt even created more jobs during the Clinton presidency,when the tax rate was 35% but when the bush tax cut was enacted in 2003,how many jobs has he created? All the extra money is in oversea bank account,smile at you blind Republicans.I wonder when your eyes will open.

        August 19, 2012 at 3:40 am |
      • mcwsunshine

        No contradiction there, just the truth

        August 19, 2012 at 8:33 am |
  88. One of the Young Autistic Men

    I am deeply worried that the education jobs continue to fall. I remember a quote from a school that the purpose of an education is to maximize the potential of the students. Many state governments cut aids and funds for schools. This causes more education job losses. This may also cause teachers' incomes to be cut. These cuts probably harm the process of maximizing the potential of the students.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • mcwsunshine

      Teachers incomes are never cut, my friend. Even the worst performing teachers are paid whatever salary, pension and benefits the unions extort from the educational system for them.

      August 19, 2012 at 8:37 am |
      • ravinraven718

        Umm...yes they are. Teachers have had pay freezes across the nation – many are making the same as they did 5 years ago and inflation has made their pay essentially lower. Administrators are the ones taking home more money.

        August 19, 2012 at 9:23 am |
      • zandhcats

        Union is the history,don't blame them anymore.

        August 20, 2012 at 10:22 am |
  89. Gopherit

    Obama is correct in his emphasis upon the need for children and youth to have good education. Tech companies want to import people from other countries to do skilled jobs in technology and research. Some of that is because people from abroad often will work for less pay than qualified Americans will acceipt, but another reason is the sometiimes lack of Americans who are qualified. With education budgets contracting the situation for Americans who wish to work at technical and research jobs will become worse.

    However, one can hope that the money which Obama is pouring into education will actually benefit students through better and increased teaching rather than supporting bloated and bureaucratic public educational administration bureaucracies.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • NoTheism

      the fact of the matter is that people in the US compete with people abroad. It is that simple.

      August 19, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • mcwsunshine

      How about we get rid of some of the utterly useless degrees that colleges are offering?

      August 19, 2012 at 8:35 am |
      • ElmerGantry

        Which ones do you have in mind?

        August 19, 2012 at 10:04 am |
      • Shammalammadingdong


        August 20, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  90. Mark, PA

    Here is me 2011 – 2012 as Office Max Award Winner http://adaymadebetter.com/days-made-better/teacher/2011/748/mark-krokos. And here is me now 2012 – 2013 furloughed... http://www.trueambition.net/ This country needs a massive education overhaul.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
  91. Fescobedo999

    Oh, great. President Obama, please arrange another stimulus so that all of these teachers are hired back because of these horrible and heartless Republicnas. Better yet, double the stimulus, so that we can hire an additional 500,000 teachers. Better yet, tentuple the stimulus, so that we can provide one teacher for every student! Yes! Works like a charm, and we can reduce unemployment too!

    August 18, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
  92. Jerry

    The lost of some of those teachers would not be that great of an impact if states and the Federal goernment would quit requiring schools to educate and illegal immigrants education. In some of the states schools are over crowded due to the illegals. In addition need to get rid of tenure and overhaul the administration in some schools.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
  93. thinksense1

    Being a teacher is a difficult job and let us not forget the responsibilities of the parents and students as well. Our education system is failing but parents still need to stress good grades for their kids. A lot of other countries teach their students that school is their first job.

    There is no easy fix to the education system just like there's no easy fix with the economy.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • patt1289

      "There is no easy fix" you are right there. There is a simple fix, but it is very difficult. Parents have to be responsible for their children and teachers have to be held accountable for the teachers they protect who can't teach. The Government should not fund families who let their kids run around. If the parent doesn't care, no government assisstance until the child attends and behaves.

      August 18, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
  94. Heath (Indiana)

    NEWSFLASH! The teachers' unions (comprised of teachers) are demonized for supporting the Democrats and for their influence in shaping our educational system. While the Republicans are backed by corporations...through their own UNION.... ..named ALEC.

    ALEC is the union of conservative politicians and large corporations, which look for large profits in business. Those businesses saw $$$$$$ when it came to the potential in for-profit education, so they set out to claim that prize.

    ALEC sponsors these luxurious getaways (see Amelia Island Ritz-Carlton Resort) for conservative lawmakers (Republicans) to mingle with corporate executives. So, while our ELECTED OFFICIALS are being whined and dined, their mingling buddies, the corporations, pass those legislators PRECRAFTED model BILLS which they want passed. That's where the education reforms come from. Corporations like PHILLIP MORRIS (Altria), Walmart, Exxon Mobile, Microsoft, Pfizer, AT&T, just to name a few have driven this move to school privatization. In a quid pro quo relationship. those conservative lawmakers are compensated through HUGE CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.

    So, you (we) have allowed the sellout of your child's education to the interests of a department store, a tobacco company, an oil company, a drug manufacturer, etc.

    So, does the teachers' union help shape education? YES. They're teachers. They're your neighbors. They're your community members. They take money from their own paychecks to buy class supplies for your children. They sacrifice their own family time to help raise your children. They keep themselves awake at night grading papers and thinking of new ways to educate your children. Yet.... they're failure. Why? Because of some stupid standardized test score? Let me get this straight.... the success or failure of a school (teacher) boils down to a test score? Republicans have made you believe this narrative that our education system is failing our children (their "proof" is a standardized test scores).

    NEWFLASH #2: Big profits have been made by these standardized test companies (McGraw Hill, Pearson, ETS) and they too are donating millions to conservative lawmakers.

    Now, the education of your child is being controlled by another UNION....one comprised of corporations and Republicans.

    Teachers Unions? Hell yes. Corporations? Hell no!

    WAKE UP!

    PS. Throwing money at the problem doesn't work???? Hogwash! Recall the 1950's after the Russians launched Sputnik. I rest my case.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
  95. Larry

    This is nothing if the Republicans get into power. They have already said "They will eliminate Pell grants, and Dept of Education". Don't forget Romneyhood is Robinhood in reverse! Rob from the poor to give to the rich. In Ryan's budget plan people like Romney will pay less than 1% in federal taxes.

    August 18, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • jimbo

      All we want is for Mr. Obama to exercise some fiscal restraint, and stop blaming the "rich" for not doing their share......Be a leader not a Chicago politician....as for Romneyhood being the reverse of Robinhood?........first, the "poor" have no money to give the "rich"......Second, and this is what Obama does best..........is waste your tax money on energy companies like Solyndra, and then blame the "rich" for not doing their share when there's less money for the "poor"..........Again, I bought a Rolls Royce yesterday, and when I default on the first payment, I'm going to blame my employer for not paying me enough.........ha ha........

      August 19, 2012 at 10:08 am |
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