School under fire after male employee paddles teen girl
(CNN) - A school near Fort Worth, Texas, is facing questions about its corporal punishment procedures after a student came home with a bottom that "looked almost as if it had been burned and blistered."
Springtown High School sophomore Taylor Santos requested corporal punishment because she didn't want to return to in-school suspension, a punishment she said she received when a classmate cheated off her, CNN affiliate WFAA reported. Her mother agreed because it was Taylor's preference, but expected her daughter to be hit by a woman: A district policy says corporal punishment should only be administered by people the same sex as the student. Although a woman was in the room, a man hit her, leaving red marks and welts that lasted for days, Taylor and her mother said.
Texas is one of 19 states where it's legal for school employees to hit students. During the 2005-06 school year, 223,190 students around the United States were punished physically, according to The Center for Effective Discipline.
The superintendent suggested they change the policy to remove the sex requirement, but Taylor's family says she's proof it's needed. Now, the school district has changed the policy to require parents to request in writing corporal punishment and the sex of the person administering it.
What do you think? Should schools be able to administer corporal punishment? What requirements should be in place for it to occur?
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Aaah, The Board of Education, to be Applied to the Seat of Knowledge!
Having been a frequent recipient of corporal punishment, I can say A- I deserved it everytime I got zapped, and B- Other than a stinging pair of buttocks (and yes, you'll have a 4 inch stripe across them for days if done right), and hurt pride (which is what it's supposed to do), you will get over it and be a normal person.
And oh yeah, little missy, the paddle doesn't give a hoot if your rear end belongs to a guy or gal. Get over it, and yourself.
To the teachers, swing for the fence! 🙂
Agreed!!!
The sad part is this girl maintains her innocence, so she was unjustly punished and chose what she believed was the lesser of two evils. I would have taken the in-school suspension but worn a sign both days with one side reading "I am innocent" and another reading "I am being unjustly punished". Free speech being what it is, there wouldn't be much they could do about it.
Punishments are just or not based upon the judgement of the people/authority in charge, not the assertions of the criminal.
She was caught cheating. She claimed the answers were stolen, not taken or given. The teacher was not convinced for reasons we are not privy to. The girl was convicted and sentenced, according to school policy.
If she was truely innocent, then she learned a valuable lesson in protecting her intellectual property. If not (which is the more likely scenario), then she is simply trying to garner more sympathy.
Yo estoy realmente de acuerdo, hay niños que realmente solo con unos buenos coscorrones se calman.
Ok ok everyone we all get it. You guys want our kids to grow up with the kind of discipline where we just talk to our kids or take things away from them. Which from the many of kids I've seen that have received that type of punishment act out a whole lot more than the ones who receive corporal punishment. U
Yes, schools should be allowed to paddle, however, if she was hit hard enough the marks stayed several days then that is excessive.
It is shameful that our country allows this! The children most often subjected to this cruel practice are the disabled and kids with psychiatric problems. What is learned by hitting a child? -someone bigger than you can brutalize you?
We treat animals better than our kids. The fact the mother allowed this to happen and the youg woman" requested" it,
in no way makes it right.
There is no way to justify violence and inhumane treatment of anyone at any age for any reason. You can not jusify this with "Spare the rod spoil the child." The Bible is NOT the law of the land.
This practice needs to be made what it is-A CRIME!
What the heck. Just speechless that this is even legal in this country. What the heck.
You question why it is legal, yet the girl in the article CHOSE this option AND her mother consented.
There is no need to hit a teenage girl. You want to punish a teenage girl......take he cell phone away.
Texas, a whole another planet. Can she carry a 44 Mag in Texas, then will see who paddles her.
It's got to make sense in Texas, the state where more people put in prison and executed than any state has stopped all crime there. Opps, hasn't stopped crime at all. No wonder they vote GOP most of the time – cowS*#t for brains.
Thank you for painting with your extra-wide brush.
TX only has so much crime in certain areas because of the mexicans that cross the border.
You are able to read, right? The article said she CHOSE this punishment instead of suspension. Sounds like another wonderful teenager in the making.
Sounds like a plus A student, got stuck in detention in a situation most people find themselves in this PC world where they can't just decide who is lying, and she has a life and can't waste away in detention, she chose to move on....I think most people with a life would have chosen. Most wouldn't expect blisters...that's where it gets weird. She acted normal. Male teacher swinging to the fence is not normal. Weirdo. He should be examined.
We got it when I went to school and I resented it, I mean, I didn't want ANYONE to hit on me to get a point across! In this day and age, however, the child could come back to school and kill you! Things have changed, so you don't want to go around hitting kids; you may hit the wrong one who is already having some type of issues and then all hell breaks loose. On the other hand, you shouldn't be hitting children, period, it doesn't work for discipline.
Are you saying we should live in fear of what children might do if you make them angry?
Children of the Corn anyone?
Nope. Punish children consistantly, fairly, and harshly and you will get children that learn to conform to the necessary tennets of society, respect authority and the power it holds, and realize that they are not the center of the universe.
For all of you who posted extremely hateful replies to my comments either you misunderstood what I was said or I did not explain myself well enough (mea culpa).
My brother was terribly wrong for getting violent in high school.
He went on to play one of the most violent sports in America.
Yet he learned from his mistakes and rooted himself in a belief that all forms of physical violence are unacceptable. He found his redemption and passed this belief on to others. I respect him for being an agent for change.
For those of you who are haters, I feel sorry for your spouses and/or children. Hate leads to violence and violence can ruin the lives of many people, especially innocent children.
People who make hateful comments like you have are more likely to be abusers than any other segment of the population except for children who come from violent households.
God save the children and the victims of spousal abuse.
Corporal punishment simply doesn't work. Its for lazy parents and administrators who can't fix problems. No wonder we have so many people in this country with serious personality disorders as a result of physical abuse by people like this.
yada yada yada, blah blah blah
Yes, you're right. I live by a bunch of bratty *ss kids and when you try to talk with them nicely they tell you to *uck off or make me or they vandalize the area or even people's houses. I bet a good, swift kick in the *ss would make them think twice because talking certainly doesn't work. There are no consequences for the little monsters being created these days because parents are too busy being friends with their children as to not upset them. Children need guidance and discipline
Or, maybe they're snotty to you because you're a b***h.
Corporal punishment at school...hmmm...no, not such a good idea in this day and age of endless lawsuits about everything under the son.
Apparently it legal in most states. Which I did not know either, so you can't sue.
You certainly can sue. That's one way laws get changed, Einstein.
What kind of man hits a 96# school girl. If I were the administrator and was asked, I'd tell them find somebody else that simple. Real men don't hit woman, kids or Dogs.
Did she just say her kid had a 97.8 GPA? I'm so glad she is so on top of her kids grades like that. I've heard of 4.0's but 97.8...she is truly remarkable!!!!!
I was curious about that too, but figured perhaps they use some different system. Clearly mom seems to be part of the problem, or there's more to it than being reported. What parent would agree to allow their child to be paddled over another child cheating? And if the kid was concerned enough about not missing class that she opted to be beaten then clearly the kid is concerned about her grades and some other form of punishment (if she was even quilty of anything) should have been administered. Overcompensation in my opinion.
TX uses a system to 100.
I read articles like this and I see just how much morals have slipped and parents are not teaching their kids. Kids WILL
push the limits to see what they can get away with. When you tell schools that they cannot punish your child then you are telling your child that they can do what they want. Look at all the news stories about kids killling kids. That is what happens when you take away punishment. When I went to school kids had gun racks in their trucks with guns on them. They left windows down and doors unlocked. Nothing ever got stolen and it was unheard of for a kid to go on a shooting spree in a school. On top of that when you got in trouble at school you knew that you were going to be in even more trouble when you got home. So, to those parents that think schools should not punish your child, you are failing as a parent.
What are they going to do when kids defend themselves?
If the kid and parent agree to it and then the kid decies to attack the teacher, lock em up in prison.
She asked for a swat. im not saying what he did was right cause its very not.
pardon me, but did I miss something? are we still in the 21st century or did something happen to throw us back into the 19th? or school officials are just finding a way to legalize under-age S & M?
The 21st century passed Texas by.
Yeah, its not like NASA is in Texas or anything...
just a bunch of cowards who probably still wanna teach creation in science class as well. Most civilized countries don't even allow corporal punishment in the homes let alone schools.
What more would you expect from RedNeck Texans
I was never hit once in school; our school system did not do it. Being kept in at recess in elementary school, and later detention or other forms of punishment were used as one grew older, but never corporal punishment. I am against it; I was hit as I grew up by angry parents who were too lazy and/or angry to properly instruct their children. Many times I never knew what I did wrong to get hit and was never told. And even if I had done something wrong, being hit never drove home any lessons for me, just made me hateful of my home life. Most of my friends never got hit at home by their parents, and i envied their happy family lives.
So, was the problem the beatings, or the lack of clearly defined rules, understanding of consequence, and other side effects of lazy parenting?
This was not a case of a teacher loosing their cool and striking a child. This was a known crime (cheating), a known punishment (in school incarceration), with a known out (corporal punishment), that was CHOSEN by the student that parent. There is no indication that the student, upon knowing that the punishment would be done by a male teacher asked instead to return to ISI.
So.. beating is bad when you don't know why.. and having a time-out is OK, even when you don't know why?
We Don't allow adults to hit adults so be shouldn't teach children that violence can be used as a punishment or as a means to correct bad behavior. We are training children to be responsible adults, not adults quick to violence, because violence only teaches violence.
Police hit criminals all the time, we even give them sticks to be able to hit them hards, stun guns to hit them with electricity, pepper spray to hit them chemically, and THEN they are shackled, hauled to prison, and incarcerated (with more hitting, shocking, and spraying as needed).
Adults don't hit other adults and students are not allowed to hit other students, but the arm of law/rule enforcement can and certainly does when criminals fail to obey the laws/rules.
I think it's clear that in a country like the US where discipline is not being given, because parents are indirectly afraid that they are "abusing " their child, corporal punishment in schools should be given. Look at other countries all over the world. They still implement it. I think it gives kids a line on the behavior etiquettes at school and remind them that this is not their home or a playground. And it should be done for offenses pertaining to homework or grades, bullying in shcool, back talking/cursing in school, anything that could be dangerous and against school policies, etc...
Let me get this straight.
If I, as a parent, hit my child with a paddle, hard enough to leave marks, I could be charged with child abuse in just about every state in the country.
But I can authorize others, such as teachers, to beat my child hard enough to leave marks?
Does ANYONE really think this makes sense?
No, it doesn't, but all that shows is that there is a contradiction in abuse laws or the enforcement thereof. It does not prove that corporal punishment (of any kind, specifically) is inherently bad. The issue you presented could be solved in two ways: eliminate in-school corporal punishment to match the rules at home, or lax the laws on child abuse at home to match corporal punishment laws in schools. Either one, logically speaking, is and equally valid way to eliminate the contradiction.
Corporal punishment didn't traumatize us then and shouldn't traumatize us now, there is a consequence to everything we do in life, most of us try and shield our children from the harshness of life when there are times we need to let the chips fall where they may.
could not agree with you more. it takes a village. back in the day i got into trouble for attempting to steal candy from the store i got my butt whooped all the way home.... guess what, i didnt do that again. dont fix whats not broken
The only person(s) allowed to legally administer Corparal punishment on a MINOR are Parents or legal guardians.
This is Clearly a felony assault on a minor and should be PROSECUTED AS SUCH!!!
Actually, it's not. Know your laws.
I do now my laws, and the very fact that a schools ADMINISTRATIVE CODE is not STATUTORY LAW makes it highly in question, also note that it also violated THAT SAME CODE wich dictates whom may or may not administer said punnishment. So they are not even covered by thier own policy let alone EXEMPT from prosecution... as fo my legal knowledge, I have studied law in excess of twenty(20) years and have yet to be held in error by any court, Stat or Federal.
incidentally, If it were My child who was punished for the Act of another, All employees involved in this incident would have to leave planet... and then they would for self preservation still have to keep running!!!
The Parent agreed to allow the punishment. Corporal punishment is legal in some states. Most require parent permission before laying a hand on the child. As her mother allowed the punishment it is not assault on a minor.
We lived in Virginia and one of the private school policies was corporal punishment. I was required to sign a paper asking my “preference”. Allow the school to make the decision or call me first. I requested the school call be BEFORE any punishment was handed out. Had one call, I opted not to allow the punishment, but had to pick him up from school. The incident did not warrant this type of punishment, so he was removed from school for the day as per policy if you do not allow the corporal punishment. He was punished a different way at home by me and we had no furhter problems in school that year.
What no pictures?
Agreed.
No, I do not agree with physical punishment by anyone's hand. While the barbarians think its effective merely because it has a submissive effect, in reality it teaches that force is an acceptable means of solving problems. There are many ways to teach children boundaries and expectations without the use of force. And I laugh at people who talk about "teaching" respect....respect is earned, not forced on anyone.
IF YOUR CHILD NEED PADDLING, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ANYMORE KIDS. YOU ARE INCOMPETENT ,WORTHLESS PARENT.
Spoken like someone who has never been responsible for a child.
Agreed..
Hey, this is crazy, and I just met you, but your caps lock is stuck.
That's funny ... the caps key is stuck ... but seriously folks, if corporal punishment should be used ever, it should be only for very serious offenses, and not doing homework isn't in that category. As for other comments above that other countries don't use it, I would remind you of an incident a few years ago about a young American in Singapore who was punished by caning for vandalizing automobiles.
Schools are supposed to prepare young adults for the real world.
In the real world, if you mouth off to your boss, you become unemployed. If you mouth off to the wrong person on the street, you get either a beating, a knife or a bullet. All of these are tough lessons no one wants to learn because they involve serious consequences.
When I was young, I got my fair share of paddlings in school. And they left marks. No big deal. When I got paddled, my parents were informed and when I came home, I was likely to be punished again. I quickly learned the value of behaving in a civil manner toward others.
The only difference between school punishment as a child and real world punishment is one form is administered in a caring, structured environment and the other is delivered from a place of chaos or retribution.
I fully support school punishment and believe the ends do serve the means.
Can you read Jakester? Please show me where it states she "mouthed off" to anyone! Never let facts get in the way of a good bit of bull Jakester.
The question at the top of the Blog was ... "What do you think? Should schools be able to administer corporal punishment? What requirements should be in place for it to occur?"
I stayed "on point" and kept my statements "general". Re-read my post. I never made a statement regarding what she did/didn't do.
A general question was asked & a general answer was provided. I'm sure you get my point.
She was engaged in cheating, by providing answers to another student. Mouthing off would be a lesser offense – being merely rude.
The act of cheating is the same ethical act as stealing from your employer, lieing on your taxes, or having an affair. It is about small imediate awards being sufficient motivation for commiting great wrongs with lasting consequences.
We want to raise children of integrity who will do what is right because it is right, and not because they fear they might not get away with it. Unfortunately, values education has be ostrasized to the home – the schools dare not do it.
This criminal was dealing in answers, when caught, tried to convince the officer that she was not dealing in answers, they were stolen from her. She was convicted and sentenced to hard time (probably a day or three) of in school imprisionment.
The corporal part was at her request and the parent's permission. If the concern is that it was a guy who did it, are they accusing him of impropriety or are they just upset at the greater upper body strength? A woman was in the room, so no impropriety took place.
They would be whining just as much if the school had brought in Brundheilda the Softball Coach and her 32" biceps (likely more so, since the girl only had inflamation, not even bruising – much less actual injury).
Once again, this child thought she had found an easy "out" from her social responsibilities and right behavior only to find that society does not reward those people – and that most easy "outs" in the world come with heavy consequences.
well put. agreed!
Oakspar: Well put and agree.
Jakester, my situation was like yours, except mine was 100% sure if I got it at school, I got it at home. Had them from male teachers and female teachers, but I disagree about male teachers paddling teen age girls. When they took God and the paddle out of the classroom, public education went down the tubes.
Really Chuck...when they took 'god' out of the classroom? How 'bout religion doesn't belong in a public classroom, rather it belongs in your home and church, synagogue, mosque, witches circle, etc...
Yeah in the real world when I kick ur azz on the street for running your mouth I get charged with felonious assault, only A coward beats on a defenseless child. I've never even contemplated hitting my 6yr old daughter. What the ef is wrong with you?
It was never alleged that this girl was either disrespectful or disruptive in any manner. In fact she is an A student who chose to take the paddling so she wouldn't miss any of her classes. She is accused of letting someone else look at her paper during a test, accused mind you. The punishment doesn't not fit the "crime." and it is in deed creepy and a bit lecherous of those men to be doing the paddling.
So supply is not as serious as consupmtion?
If you are dealing drugs, guns, prositution, or lead-heavy Furbie ripoffs – we always punish the dealers more than the users. The users have a need that drives their behavior – the dealer is making the rational choice to defy the rule of law.
As far as being accused, are you suggesting that in the classroom teachers should have to bring evidence of any infraction? The teacher needs video proof of cheating? Has to catch that gum before the user swallows it like a baggie of heroin?
The classroom is not a democracy and cannot be a democracy – since the teacher and the students are not peers. We don't let second graders vote on when to have recess or the length of it, we do not let seniors vote to write or not write research papers, we do not let freshmen vote to not read Romeo and Juliet, and we certainly do not give them the benefit of the doubt over a teacher. Particularly when the incentive to decieve is on the part of the cheating students (who by cheating has already demonstrated a willingness to be deceptive).
If you see your child eating a cookie before dinner, and the child stuffs down the cookie and says "You cannot punish me, you have no evidence!" do you let your child off the hook? That you saw it is evidence enough. The same is true of the teacher (who has many of the same rights and responsibilities of actual parents during the time their class is filled with the little wards of the state whose custody you willingly turned over that morning).
This punishment should not be in the schools, period! And the fact that she was not the one cheating, she was the one that was cheated from...what happened to the cheater if this is whats done to the victim....jeez.
What was done to the cheater? Well recently the Texas police killed a man, a double amputee, in a convalescent home who threatened them with a pen. I guess in Texas, the cheater might be buried out back of the school, or, you can expect to see her running for the Texas legislature some time soon.
Jim, you need to get a handle on that brain to mouth thing.
I think the lesson to learn here is don't get in trouble and you won't get the paddle. Pretty simple. Who administers the punishment shouldn't matter at all but the punisher needs to use discretion in how hard they paddle.
Virtually nobody is on topic. The issue of the story is a school system that can't follow its own rules then cowers when called out. Is this a good example for our kids?
Now this mother was faced with a "choice". Detention or paddle. She "chose" the paddle and "allowed" the school to administer the punishment. She is obviously aware of her daughter's inability to behave within school policy. She just isn't able to or cannot bring herself to do her job as a mother and discipline her own daughter. So the school had to do it for her. "They" made their choice and now they want their 15 minutes of fame because the girls butt became red and welted? This is why they gave you a choice! What did you expect? Dummy.
Exactly!!!
This is a case where I really do want to look at the mother and ask "What did you expect? a love tap?"
At the same time, I do agree with her statements that it was creepy to have two men involved in this and no female witness plus her statement if her child came to school with those welts, they'd be calling CPS in a heartbeat.
John, did you read the same story?? Although a woman was in the room, a man hit her
I think we need to see the proof.
....gross.
If more parents would give their ill- mannered brats a boot in the butt when they needed it we might have children that grow into responsible adults! Teachers are there to teach..not do your job! Try teaching your kids some "Home Style" consequences for bad behaviors at home,and send some better behaved children to school!! Kids are out of control due to weak enabling parents who are afraid of their kids..End of Story!
I agree with you, Mom-e! My parents took care of me AND that included any discipline that was needed. Parent today are too soft; They are creating problems by Not using discipline. "nip it in the bud"......
See, here is exactly why we need Mitt Romney. He would set up an outsourcing process by where the schools will no longer be liable for meting out and administering punishment such as this.
What an inane comment.
In Connnecticut, any paddling that leaves marks is abuse, DCF is called. Beating a child that leaves marks for days is just criminal.
No wonder this country is hurting...we are raising a bunch of glorified sissy's.
The school administrators are the sissy's (sic). Can't follow their own rules; cry when confronted.
BS
parents suck these days. Even though the story doesn't say she doesn't get disciplined at home, you can only assume that her mom isn't a good parent since her daughter is causing enough trouble to get paddled in the first place. Some parents want to be their son/daughter's friend instead of a parent, so they start drinking and smoking with their sixteen year old. They are either trailer trash, or rich parents who spoil their kids. . . or they just suck. I wish some people would have some common sense. . also take a couple of counseling classes on how to raise your child to be succesful, and fear and love God
She's a sophmore...15-16 years old. Really? She should know better than to get in trouble in the first place, and paddling her like a child? She is almost grown. Find something more creative.
There are so many thngs about this story that are hilarious and it starts with the kid asking for corporal punishment. It is followed by the parent allowing it. Then the shock when the paddling is not more 'lenient' to the child than sitting idle for a time and the idea that asking for it would not cause it to be given in such a way to make a statement. ROFL!!! I wonder if this kid, and her parents learned anything? And as far as gender, we always prefered dad but we would never say that because we knew there was new found strength when the paddle/paddler was belittled. Hahahah. Well, now we know what 'corporal punishment' means and is about...lesson learned- that's good schooling. LOL
Yes, because my father hit me with a belt, I like all crusty old men smacking my butt. Thanks for that!
"... Taylor Santos requested corporal punishment ...". A few old sayings but perhaps appropriate here: Ask and you shall receive; be careful what you ask for; hope you really want what you are asking for. Hmmm...causes one to wonder why someone would PREFER corporal punishment to sitting idle. In my day, detention went to the lucky and we never had lock downs and kids walking the edges of the woods and/or halls with guns. Fist fights...never anything anyone wrote about that everyone protected against. Perhaps authority with a paddle should be mandated?
Yes I agree that corporal punishment be brought back, perhaps then the students will have a little respect.
At the moment most of them respect no one.
I believe that school uniforms should be mandatory too, at the moment students look terrible going to school.
Bring back how it used to be!!!!
I believe George Carlin said it best, "School uniforms... Those poor f******, now not only do they have to think alike, but now we make them have to look alike too." That is, of course, a paraphrase.
In all due "respect" Anna (and all you pro corporal punishment people) , I disagree with your idea that respect can be instilled in children by physically harming them. I learned to respect my parents and adults without anyone ever laying a hand on me. I understand some children aren't as responsive to efforts to make them more respectful in school, but physical degradation is humiliating and inhumane. A child isn't going to necessarily change their "bad" behavior by getting paddled for it, they're going to learn it by having the person who wants to discipline them explain why it is wrong, and if it happens again, than other (non-physical) measures can be taken.
I believe in respectful children, and I plan to try my hardest to raise my children so, but I already know for a fact that never will I ever lay a hand on my child, NOR will I allow anyone else to.
You are not the center of the universe. What worked for you might not work for your children, since your children are not you. They are different, independent people.
I am shocked that you say you will never lay a hand against them. So, you would not strike one child when they are trying to murder their sibling (rare, but it does happen)? You would not strike them out of the way of danger?
As for not letting others lay hands upon your children, you do not have the right to dictate that. When your precious angle is, say, driving drunk and is beligerant towards the cop who pulles him/her over at 17, that cop WILL put hands (and possibly electricity) to your child, and WILL put your child on the ground – hard.
If the school system has corporal punishment in place, then corporal punishment is the rule. In this case it was even voluntary.
If you are okay with violence being used against violent criminals for their behavior, what grounds can you forbid it for your child when the ground equally warrant it.
so she don't like guys ??
No, she just doesn't like crusty old men touching her behind!
guess she's ok with just old mean...not crusty old men – ha!
Texas, the Middle East of the USA.
California, the Mexico of Mexico.
I'm okay with paddling, with parents' permission, but taking away her cell phone for a month would probably do the trick, too!
By the way, I got plenty of paddlings all the way through high school – usually by the football coach, and he DID leave marks on my bhutt! I did not feel abused in any way, and it did teach me to be more respectful and disciplined.
I see...
Hey Rev ~ sounds like you must have enjoyed getting paddled in high school or you wouldn't have been a repeat offender, so I wouldn't be bragging about how wonderful it was for you ~ that's kinda creepy coming from a REVEREND.
The cycle of abuse appears to continue...if you were beat as a child then it's okay to beat your children? As a species, some of us have rose above teaching our children by hitting them. I raised six kids without hitting them and they are all professional adults is stable relationships. It was my responsibility to learn how to teach without hitting them. If your not smart enough to outsmart a child and resort to physical violence then you shouldn't have kids. "This is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you"? There is always someone bigger that thinks you need a beating I guess.
Finally! Someone who is speaking sense.
Amen! We are teaching children that it is ok to hit another person and the cycle continues. If paddling worked you would only have to do it one time right? As adults in the workplace we do not go and get a paddle and hit our co-worker because they took a stapler off our desk but keep on hitting children because they do wrong. Did this girl have to take her pants down for the paddling because how hard to you have to hit a child to leave blisters through thier clothes?
I hope your kids can spell better than you. Maybe you should get a smack everytime you spell a word wrong. Seems to me that you should have paid attention in English class
I feel sorry for any kid that grows up with "The Captain" as a parent.
Your such an idiot...
REALLY? You still allow teachers to hit you kids!?! Another reason why the US is still in the dark ages!
That is a parent's right. Call the parent.
Schools and govt are constantly trying to cease authority they won't even allow parents.
I don't agree with leaving marks and bruises, however, a good swat on the behind has been known to grab some attention and remind someone that their actions will not be tolerated. Some children do not react to the normal forms of punishment, i.e. time-out, etc. I do not agree that this case warrants corporal punishment, however, when a child is disrupting the classroom and nothing else works, so be it that they receive a good swat on the behind. When a teacher is not able to do their job due to being hindered by an unruly child, I believe it warrants further measures. Growing up in the late 60s and 70s, paddling was common, and it worked. It should be up to the parent, however, to decide when the behavior warrants the punishment. I would be all for my child to be paddled if he deserved it, but not in such a case as this.
These methods were largely implemented by Fascists and Nazis. Good luck.
Texas...no surprise here.
Good for Texas !!! Good for the parents that authorized the punishment. To bad they had no idea it would hurt. So much for common sense...
On a similar subject.
http://www.connecttristates.com/m/news/story?id=805042#.UGKBDe5Z75Y
I went to school in the midwest. In the early 70's students that could not follow rules in class were sent to the hall. If the "monitor saw you you got a few sacks from a wooden yard stick. If you told your parents; you recieved a paddling at home. None left welts on students. The point is not to hurt but to teach childen to self discipline. I once was in the hall and hid with my back flat against the inner wall of doorway. I escaped the toe touch three sacks. I had a hard time keeping quiet in class. The benefit is Colloge made more sence as I quietly took notes during class. Hurting a student and leaving marks is abuse, parents can't get away with this, why should a stranger be allowed to 'injure' your child. crystalcoast
I think kids need a smack every once in awhile. Sometimes all the talking in the world does nothing. If parents do not do it now, a prison guard will later on.
However, you are right. Why should govt have more rights than parents?
There are a ton of alternatives between hitting your child and just talking to them. Taking away things they like, asking them to complete chores outside thier normal scope, or even asking them to think about what might be an appropriate punishment. If you resort to hitting just because you couldn't "tell" your kid to behave, you aren't pursuing enough avenues and are failing your duty as a parent.
Corporal punishment is sick, outdated, and should be banned nationwide.
My parents always notified my school at the beginning of the year that corporal punishment was to never be used on me (they never used it home either though it might have been better than some of the other punishments I received).
In ninth grade a gym teacher who thought I was acting up decided he was going to paddle me. Word quickly got out to my brother who was a center on the football team.. He left class and beat the hell out of the gym teacher.
Of course, my brother was immediately expelled (and the gym teacher quit shortly thereafter). My brother went on to get his G.E.D. and received a scholarship to play football at Texas.
He was later drafted by the Chicago Bears and played there for 10 years before retiring. After that he became a high school teacher then a high school principal. He banned corporal punishment at every school he was at.
Big bro' recently passed away of a heart attack at the age of 46.
ESPN is currently doing a 30 in 30 on him and his efforts to end corporal punishment in schools.
You're and idiot and a liar....
You also need a paddling for poor spelling.
Be man enough to give me your name so I can sue you for slander. If you are man enough to talk the talk then walk the walk.
You had a wonderful brother ...God bless him
Pardon me while I puke.
What is your brothers name?
If he was that great, why didn't you include his name?
If ESPN is doing a special, why wouldn't you state his name so we could all see the show?
I went to school in the 70' (high school), I was paddled a few times, and I will tell you, I deserved it.
I have never hit any of my children because I raised them to have respect and act correctly in public.
At home, they're monsters, but at home is the correct place to be kids. In school, they are there to learn.
This guy shows me the effects long term use of bath salts can do to a person.......
And the nice method has produced what? Look at our kids. They are out of control.
well if you we're acting like an idiot and not following the rules then you deserved the paddle. this is what is wrong with kids these days. they know they can't be touched so they act out and there are no consequences for their actions. I'm 51 and I got paddled in school a few times and I turned out just fine. I'm a medical professional and my wife and I are raising to great kids. it really starts at home with the parents. parents need to be parents 24/7!
That's interesting. Your family is against corporal punishment, so to prove that it's wrong your brother beats the c_rap out of the gym teacher. Yep, sounds like good training at home. I am truly sorry about the loss of your brother, but the example you gave is a very poor one.
I find it interesting that the author uses the word "hit" which brings to mind a situation that I would describe as reactionary, out of control, and worthy of condemnation to refer to a situation that was monitored, legal, accepted as proper, and traditional.
I just a normal guy who believes in earning my way in life, paying taxes, fearing God, and doing right by others. Which means that to be fair I will identify my bais in this situation, I believe in the Proverb that says
"Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die." (Proverbs 23:13)
Don't be departing from truth in your quest to raise your child.
"a situation that was monitored, legal, accepted as proper, and traditional"
A situation that is barbarism. Corporal punishment is something that negatively affects a student's mind and breeds resentment, low self-esteem, a suffocated anger that one day will explode against someone else. Any kind of violence should be definitely banned.
And speaking of quotes, you may better rely on this one: "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven".
Let's see, she admitted someone else cheated off of her test. For this she is beaten. How medieval can these people be! With this type of thinking, why didn't they beat the teacher for not maintaining discipline? What about the kid who cheated? So, for being honest she gets beaten to a blister? All you bible thumpers are quoting the Old Testament. FYI Jesus did not beat children with a paddle! There is nothing in the New Testament about beating people up being a good thing.
Thank you...
a post that recognizes the brutality of this. This is supposed to be a civilized country, but this did happen in Texas.
Award for most irrelevant fact about child-rearing concerning Jesus and the bible
I think it is outrageous that it is legal for a school administrator to hit a child. For any reason.
I totally agree.
Of course you do.
I dont think any adult in the school should hit a child. I dont think they would like it if an a adult hit there child as a punishment. The students should get detention then the parents deal with them when they get home. Yes it was the girls choice but still an adult should think before they do something.
Giggity
lol
If corporal punishment really changes bad behavior, then let's expand its use to include those who cheat on their spouses and pad their expense accounts. As a matter of fact, aren't there Middle East countries already doing this?
I couldn't have said it better. Thank you.
If a teacher hits a child with a stick they should fully expect full retribution in the parking lot after school. It really is that simple.
Change your name to KO Tex you little whiny baby....
No.
Every teacher I had in school was just back from ww2 or Korea and we KNEW better than to start anything at all! They gave out plenty of "smacks' and none of us turned out to be the kind of losers I see today........
So what makes you think you are not a loser?
Sounds like another mean, fat, old white man.
Ok Bart Vanzetti I have one simple question..... WHERE IN THIS ARTICLE OR ALL THE COMMENTS DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ABOUT RACE??? Please enlighten me on how calling Johnny another mean, fat, old white man help anything? You and other people like you are the main reasons why their still is racism in our world now days. People want to get rid of racism but speak of it everyday. Bart that comment did nothing but made you seem to be a childish, illiterate, insecure fool. Thank you. Have a nice day.
I agree, Johnny.
This is also when you thought cigarettes were good for you. Obviously some of these things aren't as accepted or morally right as they used to be. Corporal Punishment and children don't work, maybe in the military were those things make sense but not where learning in a safe, and helpful environment is concerned.
Being the parent of a spirited child it is my responsibility to punish them. I would beat the living crap out of any teacher or school official that touched my child. I'm sure I would probably be charged with assault as well. The point being that If I assaulted them I would be charged likewise if they touched my minor child they should be charged with assault. Rest assured they would regret it.
"Spirited child" = BRAT.
Yes, please, discipline your child so that others can learn without constant disruptions from your little darling.
This brats punishment is probably nothing. Maybe a firm talking too. Spirited child my ass.
Erin, would beatings have taught you the difference between "to" and "too?" If so, I would support them.
Well Eric, your comment just goes to show how bad you are at parenting, you dont even read properly. Both student and parent signed off on it. Read before commenting ya freak.
Of course if you had read the article, you might have wondered upon the part where the parents approved the punishment.
Am I mistakenly seeing that the person involved 'requested corporal punishment'? It seems as if everybody here is not seeing that. The only issue I see is the gender of the punisher. To me this is a 'be careful what you ask for' story.
Clearly the choice was the students and her mothers. We were often given the choice when in school, sometimes not. I was paddled my male as well as female teachers.
Wilbur
I was starting to wonder if I was the only one who read that. I think it speaks volumes that "she requested corporal punishment because she didn't want to return to in-school suspension" This teen is obviously used to getting her own way, this time it didn't work out as planned. Hopefully, she learned the bigger lesson; there are consequences to her behavior and for her decisions. If she didn't, her adult life will be a large learning curve once she enters the workforce and realizes that her employers won't bend to her whims, and won't be concerned with her Mommy's opnion.
How is corporal punishment even still a thing?! If educators who support such an outdated, barbaric practice took 2 minutes to look up the social and psychological impact of corporal punishment, they'd realize it should've been thrown out the window years ago. To simply assume that inflicting physical and psychological pain on a child is an effective way to discipline them and shape them into healthy, functional adults is lazy, simple-minded, and detrimental to the child's well-being.
Like having a kid take a "time out" in the corner is effective? Sometimes it isn't really about the kid developing into some kind of idealized social cog, but of establishing who is boss and who better listen up when authority speaks.
I agree Bob. It was perfectly clear to us in the 60's and 70's when I was in school, that if I screwed up, I was going to be punished. No grey areas there.
Nope...punishment is the most effective form of reinforcement-period. Did you miss that day in psychology 101?
When I went to school we had corporal punishment. If you did wrong you knew you were going to be paddled. What's funny is that all the people I graduated with are still married and have kids of their own. No body suffered any damage from the paddlings. No body is in prison and none of their kids are in prison. What's wrong with the kids today is that they have no fear of authority. People get real and quit being politically correct.
i am now 20 years old and when i was younger my parents disciplined not abused me my parents are from Russia as am i
and i used not understand why my parents hit me onlt when i grew up around 14 years of age i understood why they disciplined me the way they did. i personally know 4 people i used to be friends with and they where not disciplined the way i was 3 of them are in jail for theft because they got into heroin the other one is in the hospital because of drugs. im not saying im perfect but i do not have a single thing on my record no tickets no charges clean and i am happy to say that when i have kids of my own i will discipline them as my parents did to me
Are you seriously trying to suggest that there is a correlation between not being punished/abused (I think it can be hard to tell the difference, especially at a young child's age) and becoming a drug addict and a criminal? In your n=4 group? Think before you post.
He did. It's been proven time and time again. Disciplined child (not beaten) = RESPONSIBLE ADULT.
Here is where the problem lies. Punishment is not abuse. A beating is abuse. Learn the difference.
i think everyone who was not hit as a child is in prison, right?
Well said.
I was never punished, neither my husband, we learn by example, nobosy raised their voices to us, neither we did to our kids. They are now adults, professional, and the same with their kids, they never gave any trouble.
But we had rules, curfew, not going to malls, kept them busy, I sat with them while they did their homework.
I was so appaled with stories about child abuse, that I went back to college to become an educator to give parenting classes, I work with Head Start and saw first hand the brutality of using big hands, belts shows ,cords to beat children.
This children had lost their fear they were angry. To them Time Out was worse that beatings.
Parents learn parenting from their own, and when we would finished the classes, there was a big diferent in the families , childen that are hit , became hitters themselves. to wives, siblings and children.
We moved to Texas and it not rare to see a parent slapping a child in public, I even saw use a belt, and schools can paddle a student. When I see this in public I writte the license plate and call the police and CPA.
I changed professions and I work in a hospital and see first hand the results of the brutality of the parents .
The statement "They did to me and I am ok" Clearly shows one is not ok, the cycle of abuse continues, and no wonder parents are put in nursing homes asap.
I'm an educator, and not only is your grammar awful, I disagree entirely with your post.
And I totally disagree with your not-argumented disagreement.
How can any of you agree with this kind of thing. The next time it may be your own kid and that person may take it
one step futher. What alternatives could have been reached to fit the crime? Who are we to say the punishment fit the crime,if there was a crime. What about the embarrassment, humiliation she went through? Another person should never be able to correct someone elses child . The force a parent uses in held back because they love there child,a stranger has no love for them therefore the force of correction is not held back. Wrong WRONG
Parents won't discipline their kids....so shut up when someone else has to keep them in line
There is nothing in this story to suggest that this girl doesn't get discipline at home.
thank you for the irrelevant statement
In most states if a parent left marks as describe in the story, the state would be filing child abuse charges. Maybe in Texas's schools there is no distinction between abuse and discipline.
"Parents stink these days"
Brutal supposed educators stink worse.
When prayer and Bible reading were removed from public education and evolution and other dumb stuff started being taught in the classrooms what did everyone think would be the outcome??? Love thy neibor as yourself?? or I evolved from being a monkey to what i am today so how far from being my natural self am I?? So now no one should be surprised when our children start behaving in a way that they were taught that their ancestors behaved. Creation or Evolution which are our children an image of, hmmm Read the Bible and when you do, tel me what ur choice is. what we have today or what could have been if prayer and the reading of the Bible would have been the norm in our schools??? Think on it when you look at teenagers these days. I know a lot of people disagree with me cause they hate God and anything to do with Him, but which is the way??? I strongly disagree with what happened. It was very wrong. BUT what can we expect these Evil day. when the one controling this world right now wants its destruction.
By other dumb things do you mean science?
Let me get this straight – when teachers started teaching science (evolution) instead of mythical nonsense, corporal punishment got worse? Something tells me it is the neanthedrals who believe in creationism that are most likely to beat up kids in school.
Right on.
Love thy neighbor as yourself? Did the teacher also beat his own rear end?
It wasn't a teacher that paddled this girl. It was a principal or vice principal.
That has to be the most pathetic post I've read yet. Yeah sure science is for idiots lets only teach what YOU think is right. If you want your kid to be taught about the Bible then go to a catholic school otherwise shutup. I guarantee if someone tried to teach your kid the Quran or the Bagvadhgita you'd have a b1tch fit.
And yet that "other dumb stuff" is precisely why you're able to write this post, using a computer connected to the internet, both of which why developed by science. I'm not saying that there's not a problem with students nowadays (I just graduated high school and have seen a lot of it firsthand), but science is certainly not the problem.
Judy, I'm a Christian, and I'm still having trouble understanding your comment.
I think the issue isn't how badly behaved children are today, in our society as a whole, but how WE as parents, educators, and responsible adults, choose to DEAL with children's "bad behavior".
Even IF you agree with the concept of "corporal punishment" being practiced in a public school setting in 2012:
1.) The idea of an adult male making physical contact of ANY kind-for any reason-with a schoolgirl's backside/private areas is...CREEPY. It just is.
2.) It's NOT OK to "discipline" a child to the point of leaving lasting welts, bruises, or blisters.
If it's TRUE that hours later, this mother found her daughter's backside in the condition described, then the teacher crossed the line. Period.
I would have to see the evidence for myself, before I wa to pass any judgement:)
I think I would then administer a healing balm for the redness and sore buttocks and rub it in gently
hahhahahha......
So its ok for a school to beat our kids but when the parrents do it its considered child abuse?
Good point
Id definately like to paddle that girls behind!
me too and then i would rub a soothing cream in to help heal the welts and the redness.
I question anyone who says it's OK to hit her daughter as punishment as long as they are a woman but then says "Hey that was too hard".
The girl and her family were given a CHOICE. One: Inhouse suspension Two: Paddling. They choose paddling...that is all there is to say.
The fact that paddling is even an option is startling. Some parts of the world clearly haven't moved into the 21st century :/
Was stoning an option?
you bloody people so thin skinned. paddeling never killed anyone. if anything it will make the person recieving it a better person in the future. grow some nuggets, let the child tast the rod or you as s parent will regret it for life. lettign your child get paddled is not bad perenting it is good pareting. they need to learn some kind of decipline. i can say from experience if it was not for padleing i would have been waddeling in a prison today. because of it i am a better person. so stop the rioting and have some sence. let te rod do the talking and curbing.
... said the cave-dweller who can barely put together a coherent sentence.
Yeah, I think the guy paddling her wanted the "child to taste the rod" really really badly.
paddling never killed anyone? I'll bet any money that you are wrong on that one. Texas is a great place to be a sodomasochistic pedophile is what I'm getting from this story.
Thanks for sharing your experience of abuse: excellent evidence of how terrible the consequences of corporal punishment might be.
This is why kids are so out of hand these days, they need to be disciplined. My parents beat my butt when I was younger and did something bad. That's why I grew up to be polite, respectful and mindful of my elders. Unlike these kids today who get everything handed down to them. Ungrateful little brats. Get used to it, life's not easy. Learn the hard way or be sheltered for your whole life. Pathetic.
All philosophical debate ASIDE:
Isn't the CPS *standard* for separating a legally acceptable act of "corporal punishment" from an illegal act of "child abuse", the presence of lasting welts, lacerations, bruising or other marks on the child??
If this girl presented with raised welts, blisters, or bruising hours after being struck... I'd have to agree that-by definition-this "paddling" crossed the line!
I'm surprised that in these litiginous times, that any public school district ANYwhere in the U.S. would officially sanction their employees' laying a hand on any child for any reason. It's just too easy for a staff member to use a "little too much" force, or for a child/parent to ALLEGE this to have occurred and end up in court...with the taxpayers footing the bill. JMO
If I paddled one of my kids and left bruises and welts, I would go to jail for child abuse. ANY person at school who picks up a piece of board to strike a child with it, should be arrested and hauled up to jail.
BS, this is why children in schools are out of control. Lack of discipline.
O yeah, let's teach our kids it's OK to hit someone when there is no other solution, rightttt. No, the only reason a teacher or parent should touch a child is to restrain them from hurting themselves or others. Paddling is criminal assault.
I'd rather blame lack of care.
Sorry but I agree. This "take the ipod away" crap doesn't work. I agree with corporal discipline. I do NOT agree with torture. If it leaves welts, they should be arrested.
This is Texas. What do you expect? Not only do they whip you for almost anything but they do it very hard. Teacher hit me with a two foot long board to make sure he got in a full swing. Lifted me off the ground a foot. You just have to love rolling on the ground in intense pain. But this is Texas.
its why i live in new york
"Texas is one of 19 states where it's legal for school employees to hit students"–Not quite true as the parents have to sign off on letting the School District issue Corporal Punishment to their child. Otherwise its "Hands Off"–
What part of "she chose" does not sink in with you people?! Of course her butt is going to be red and hurt, that's the idea! She is not being hit by a pillow. It comes across to me that she is angry she got punished and now the brat wants to claw back at them. Almost every school with padling has a policy that the student can refuse at any time ( even between strokes ). Go ahead lady, teach your daughter to not accept responsibility, consequences and punishments in life. Let's see how far she goes in life....
Even parents should not be allowed to assault their kids. There is NO reason to be violent to anyone for any reason other than self defense. This should be the law of the land
You know he'll be j/o to that for years : )
I don't have a problem with corporal punishment, however that's not what this was. THIS was torture. One slap is enough to get the point across. Getting hit enough that it leaves welts, is another thing entirely. I hope he's arrested.
If the school needs to even think about paddling my child I am not doing a good job of parenting. I will do the paddling, restriction,loss of privileges etc. way better than anyone else could. My responsibility.....100%.on me good and bad. Now the coaches coach...teachers teach.........parents do the parenting.
They say how a woman can tolerate more pain yet they cry about a Male hitting them with a paddle. Take your lickings and be strong and dont do it again. done.
Kids should be hit, just not abused. The girl shouldn't have been paddled by a male teacher, should have been a female...
i disagree entirely. It is absurd that the option eveb exists. Send them to detention like the rest of the modern world.
wow this is news to me, I did not know this still went on at schools today.
I am also surprise that corporal punishment is going on in schools. I thought it was against the law. Also, nobody has the right to hit my child.
This is a simple lesson of teaching kids about positive and negative consequences of their actions...if these kids are choosing to be paddled, then it sounds like the other option (in school detention/suspension) is an effective negative consequence. Why are they being given a choice. There is no reason for someone to be violent to teach negative consequences.
How on earth is this even remotely acceptable?!! Beating kids! Kids! And then so many people here try to justify it! Can somebody explain to me the difference between someone, even a parent, beating a kid to show that they are in the right, and a student beating another student to show that they are in the right? It doesn't matter that one is an adult trying to do good, the message is the same: if you're bigger, if you're stronger, if nobody will stop you, you can make other people do what you want by threat of physical pain. Proof we evolved from animals, and proof some of us still have a long way to go.
I do not believe in corporal punishment, but students are too powerful in school. My teachers were my parents. However, in our today's society students see teachers as their ennemies. Mutual respect must be existed in order to have a better system. Parents believe more in suing school in stead of caring about their children' education .
Not only are students powerful, but some are downright out of control. Absolutely not should corporal punishment be allowed, but by the same token abuse of the educators should not be allowed either and there should be other consequences for the youth that are taking control of the classrooms with such abominable behavior.
Are you people serious? Your sweet little darling is not going to be emotionally scarred for life because she got her backside paddled when she deserved it. YOU PEOPLE are what's wrong with society today. (And yes – I am a parent)
This was not a worst of the worst. And the male teacher obviously liked meting out this punishment. There is something sick and wrong about this. What kind of man would do this, and so powerfully to a student who was cheated upon, who asked for this. This was not a tough kid. The teacher has problems, the administration has problems, and you, Darcy, have problems.
He "obviously liked" it?
I think you obviously have mental issues you aren't dealing with.
Darcy, you have no idea how corporal punishment is going to affect a child. Have you ever heard of suicide? I have seen it happen to a classmate who was repeatedly beaten at school. At the very least, YOUR children might decide that they want nothing to do with YOU once they are adults. Regardless of what they have done, you are teaching them violence, bullying, and disrespect by striking them. Instead, look for any integrity or intelligence they might possess that would help them see their behavior needs to change for the better and preach to that. There is a reason that many old folks are sitting in rest homes all alone. Look at how they have treated their children.
Corporal punishment like this will not lead to suicide. What a dumb claim! Clearly the classmate in your example had other issues if they kept receiving punishment. Old folks are alone in homes because children do not show respect. Punishment, when administered properly doesn't affect relationships to that degree. Not punishing your kids and allowing them to be disrespectful is what leads to old folks all alone.
I am a parent too...and a teacher...and a strict disciplinarian. And I have never raised a hand to another human being. Hitting another person is for the weak; A quick and angry solution that does not resolve anything. so sad that we have not evolved!
I graduated from high school in the 80's. Teachers all had large wooden paddles prominently displayed somewhere in the class when I was going to school. It was usually reserved for the worst of the worst, which in my day meant disrespecting the teacher or some activity that endangered people. Still everyone feared it, even me though I never felt the sting of one. I know we had fewer juvenile delinquents then than we do now, fewer "druggies", FAR fewer pregnant teens, just fewer problems period. Was it because we feared corporal punishment? Probably not but I'm not opposed to a kid getting a paddling when it's warranted. This was probably not the case here but she chose to be paddled so she wouldn't have to suffer through detention. You know what they say ...be careful what you wish for!
"I graduated from high school in the 80's. Teachers all had large wooden paddles prominently displayed somewhere in the class when I was going to school. It was usually reserved for the worst of the worst"
Your talking about Kids.
Yep – and every single one of them survived and went on to live happy productive lives without psychotherapy. 😉
The parents allowed the punishment, they were only infuriated with the fact that it hurt their child. That means that the child got the point. IT HURT !! Im glad Texas still allows corporal punishment. I was raised in California when the Vice Principle always had a paddle hanging in his/her office, and used it on occasion. We didn't have the issues in school back then that we do now either.
Perhaps there were fewer delinquents because there were fewer absent parents, less divorce,less drug addiction, less alcohol abuse and less neglect of children....but I'm sure that can be rectified with a paddling. I'm sure the state of Texas will have less delinquency because of their stance on corporal punishment in future generations....
It can be rectified with proper parenting at home.
Sounds to me like school officals are just getting off on hitting your kids TBH
agreed. This is just sick and everyone knows he enjoyed it.
Anyone hits my daughter they will know what punishment really is !!! What is wrong with people. Hitting kids !!!
NO. NO. NO. The wrong doing in this case of teen age cheating on a school paper, does not warrant the punishment given. What's wrong with you people? An adult male, beating the behind of the young teenage girl? Then saying it's all okay in within the law? Heaven help us.
Exactly ... a real-world consequence would have been an incomplete for the paper. What acceptable lesson does a child – especially one at this girl's age – learn from being the victim of a violent act?
Maybe she will learn that it is okay for a man to hit a woman....yes...heaven help us all!!!
Metaphorical, non-exsistant Heaven help you. I hope you haven't breed yet. The brat asked for it. The brat's idiot mother okayed it. Apparently she didn't learn her lesson, so he didn't do it right. It should have been done in public so she would have been properly embarrased. It is good to use humiliation as a corrective action. It teaches humility. Hmmm. . .humiliation. . .humility. . .funny how those two words have THE SAME ROOT. Please go play in traffic and stop stealing my oxygen.
hopefully the next time you make a wrong decision the outcome will be physical abuse and public humiliation...in which country do we live????
Of course. We should just tell our children how wonderful they are, never, ever make them feel bad about anything they have done. Accountability is for the next guy. Put them in Time Out so they can "think" about it, when they have done something wrong. WRONG !!!! It is called punishment for a reason. It is not supposed to feel good, you should not be proud that of it, nor should you want it again. Punishment is not a "beating". It is controlled administration of corporal punishment, and it may leave a mark (temporarily).
I believe in corpral punishment, I live in a state where it is not allowed but that means nothing. One day I backed talked in class and I had a expo marker thrown at my head followed by a binder to the side of the head, after that I never talked again in class. I believe it makes kids better and just so people now this was about 5 years ago, I am 18.
I don't understand what type of parent would allow someone else to hit his/her child, and it's nonsense to say the kids prefer it to another punishment – by definition, a punishment should not be ideal to the recipient! No one – NO ONE – physically punishes my kid but me ... and, ironically, I'd probably face legal consequences if I left bruises and welts on my child. Asinine!
No child should be hit for any reason. That is abuse. Plain and simple.
If more parents would discipline their children at home, it would not fall on the school to use corporal punishment, or any other form of punishment to maintain discipline at school. In this case the parent allowed the punishment at the childs request. Time out, grounding, taking away their XBox etc., all have their place in the realm of discipline, as does corporal punishment – when properly administered, as it appears it was in this case. Discipline starts at the home. Parents do your job !
Tony, I couldn't agree with you more! Parents need to do their jobs rather than blaming everyone else when things go wrong!
Maybe is corporal punishment is demanded by a school authority and a parent must sign off on it then teh PARENT and ONLY he parent should administer the licks... As a parent, nobody better hit my child and I determine when/where it is needed and I'll administer it if needs be. Corporal punishment for teenagers??! Are you kidding me?
My 13 year old son requested it last year and he said it was much worse than Saturday detention. His principal is a rather large ex-Marine. He got three "licks" and said that he could see why his parents talk about getting them in the old days. He shot another kid a bird joking around and was going to have 4 hours detention on Saturday which really punished me and his Dad. We were going to have to have him at school at 8 a.m.
Nice parenting! It would have punished you and your husband? It's your job to help raise a respectable child!
I am raising a respectful child. He made a mistake and got in trouble for it at home as well. All the kids think Saturday school is a joke. It didn't punish anyone but us. They get to hang out with their friends for 4 hours and they don't hate it. He hated the paddling. I asked for that and signed the form for it.